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2012-05-03 08:43:05 PM

Gyrfalcon: Ed Finnerty: As an atheist who forced his way into a leadership position for my college's christian club, I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

Needed you some hot virgin coeds, huh?


You know those Catholic girls. Always in trouble.
 
2012-05-03 08:43:12 PM

retrograde: Christians are in the majority but still complaining about being oppressed.


They keep using that word. It does not mean what they think it means.

Refusing to allow you to keep beating me over the head with your Bible isn't "oppressing" you.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-03 09:10:53 PM

bugontherug: LovingTeacher: In fact the "free speech zones" for protestors to keep them from disrupting and hurting the feelings of the participants in political rallies and conventions are a direct outgrowth of the speech codes in first high schools and then colleges.

No they're not.

Are you trolling us?


A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld a state university's refusal to provide funding and other campus benefits to student groups that exclude members of other religions, rejecting arguments that the policy stifles freedom of speech.

The ruling, involving a Christian sorority and fraternity at San Diego State, addressed an issue that the U.S. Supreme Court had left unsettled in a San Francisco case last year: whether campus religious groups are entitled to be treated the same as secular groups whose members share a common viewpoint.

In June 2010, the high court upheld UC Hastings College of the Law's denial of similar benefits to the Christian Legal Society, which barred gays and lesbians as well as non-Christians. The court said the school had a valid, nondiscriminatory policy of requiring official student organizations to accept all students.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/02/BAMR1KIHFJ .DTL#ixzz1trFpXdIp

Link


Now I know this is about "benefits" denied the clubs if they do not allow non-christian members and if they only allow christians to run for leadership positions but some of those benefits are simply to be allowed to access to meeting rooms on campus, put up posters on campus advertising themselves and joining the ASB. The message is clear, "If you don't allow people you disagree with into your club in the name of diversity, you are not welcome on our campus"
 
2012-05-03 09:12:08 PM
 
2012-05-03 09:18:21 PM
Whichever one caused the most deaths in the last 2000 years.
 
2012-05-03 09:24:53 PM

LovingTeacher: bugontherug: LovingTeacher: In fact the "free speech zones" for protestors to keep them from disrupting and hurting the feelings of the participants in political rallies and conventions are a direct outgrowth of the speech codes in first high schools and then colleges.

No they're not.

Are you trolling us?

A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld a state university's refusal to provide funding and other campus benefits to student groups that exclude members of other religions, rejecting arguments that the policy stifles freedom of speech.

The ruling, involving a Christian sorority and fraternity at San Diego State, addressed an issue that the U.S. Supreme Court had left unsettled in a San Francisco case last year: whether campus religious groups are entitled to be treated the same as secular groups whose members share a common viewpoint.

In June 2010, the high court upheld UC Hastings College of the Law's denial of similar benefits to the Christian Legal Society, which barred gays and lesbians as well as non-Christians. The court said the school had a valid, nondiscriminatory policy of requiring official student organizations to accept all students.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/02/BAMR1KIHFJ .DTL#ixzz1trFpXdIp

Link


Now I know this is about "benefits" denied the clubs if they do not allow non-christian members and if they only allow christians to run for leadership positions but some of those benefits are simply to be allowed to access to meeting rooms on campus, put up posters on campus advertising themselves and joining the ASB. The message is clear, "If you don't allow people you disagree with into your club in the name of diversity, you are not welcome on our campus"


that's more of a "you are not allowed to be OFFICIALLY recognized by the institution" than "not welcome on our campus", meaning you don't get certain official access/benefits/etc from the university. it doesnt mean they cant privately exist. and 2 citations (which i am glad you backed up your previous claim with) doesnt necessarily mean its running rampant across the nation.
 
2012-05-03 09:26:20 PM

retrograde: Atheism Promoted by Video Showing the Burning of Churches and Synagogues


nice wackjob website. i see where you get your info from.
 
2012-05-03 09:31:22 PM

retrograde: Atheism Promoted by Video Showing the Burning of Churches and Synagogues


Jesus Camp - it's a bit more than that horrible,horrible band singing a song that you're so worried about.
 
2012-05-03 09:45:56 PM
pleatedjeans.files.wordpress.com

Just leaving this here for the hippocrats....
 
2012-05-03 09:45:59 PM

LovingTeacher: bugontherug: LovingTeacher: In fact the "free speech zones" for protestors to keep them from disrupting and hurting the feelings of the participants in political rallies and conventions are a direct outgrowth of the speech codes in first high schools and then colleges.

No they're not.

Are you trolling us?

A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld a state university's refusal to provide funding and other campus benefits to student groups that exclude members of other religions, rejecting arguments that the policy stifles freedom of speech.

The ruling, involving a Christian sorority and fraternity at San Diego State, addressed an issue that the U.S. Supreme Court had left unsettled in a San Francisco case last year: whether campus religious groups are entitled to be treated the same as secular groups whose members share a common viewpoint.

In June 2010, the high court upheld UC Hastings College of the Law's denial of similar benefits to the Christian Legal Society, which barred gays and lesbians as well as non-Christians. The court said the school had a valid, nondiscriminatory policy of requiring official student organizations to accept all students.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/02/BAMR1KIHFJ .DTL#ixzz1trFpXdIp

Link


Now I know this is about "benefits" denied the clubs if they do not allow non-christian members and if they only allow christians to run for leadership positions but some of those benefits are simply to be allowed to access to meeting rooms on campus, put up posters on campus advertising themselves and joining the ASB. The message is clear, "If you don't allow people you disagree with into your club in the name of diversity, you are not welcome on our campus"


That is NOT, however, the same thing as your earlier claim of "colleges forcing clubs to accept atheists" as members. Also, these same colleges apply the same rules to Muslim, Hindu, and Jewish "clubs", so your inference that only Christians are being so horribly treated is probably equally mushy-headed. In my not-limited college experience, specifically barring certain types of people hasn't been allowed by ANY group, on ANY public campus, since, oh, 1964, when it was made somewhat illegal by the Civil Rights Act.

In both the cases you cite, the "college" is a public university, so they are required (i.e.,it's not optional) to obey all Federal guidelines regarding discrimination against gender, race, class, religion, etc., and in both the cases you cite, the "clubs"--a sorority & fraternity in once case, and a Law Society in the second--specifically banned gays and "non-Christians." Since Federal law is pretty specific about federal funding being granted only to public institutions which abide by their requirements, a public university CANNOT allow a sorority, fraternity or law society which receives funding from the university to violate federal law and continue to receive funds from the university.

It's got very little to do with them "forcing" diversity on anyone, as you seem to think--as I understand it and as it happened when I was in college, people can have clubs that discriminate if they choose. But they CAN'T then ask the university to pay for their rooms, events, sponsor their speakers, since that would require the university to break the law.

I'm aware that may be way too subtle for many minds to grasp, but people are still free to discriminate all they want, and even have a Christian Only Law Society--but not to get the public to pay for it.
 
2012-05-03 09:48:46 PM
More atheist hate mongering. Some quotes from the recent "Crystal Clear Atheism" event, sponsored by the Atheist Alliance International:

Dawkins, the keynote speaker portrayed a black-and-white intellectual battle between atheism and religion. He denounced the "preposterous nonsense of religious customs" and compared religion to racism. He also gave no quarter to moderate or liberal believers, asserting that "so-called moderate Christianity is simply an evasion. If you've been taught to believe it by moderates, what's to stop you from taking the next step and blowing yourself up?" he said.

Another quote from the self anointed man of "reason" this time at the Reason Rally in Washington D.C. where he showing his penchant for intelligent and reasoned discussion called for atheists to outright target and mock religious people. "Mock them, ridicule them in public. Don't fall for the convention that we're all too polite to talk about religion."


A response from another renowned Oxford Scholar Professor John Lennox:

"Oxford University Professor of Mathematics who has debated faith and religion issues with Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens in recent years, Professor Lennox focused on what he called "a new militant atheism that is not just anti-God but anti those who believe in God".

"There is a strong wind blowing for the privatisation of belief in God," he emphasised. "Secularism feels it holds the default position in society, and atheists are about destroying religious faith. It has been stated that 'scientists should do everything that can be done to weaken the hold of religion'."

He went on to identify key areas where new atheists both misrepresented and misunderstood religious faith, and in particular Christianity.

"Religion is seen as a 'pernicious delusion'. Yet, new atheists do not discriminate between moderates and extremists - and they fail to distinguish between Christ's teaching and Christendom.

"If we cease to believe in truth, we will end up having to believe what power dictates."

He pointed out that new atheists portray the Christian faith as a 'blind faith' - believing where it is known there is no evidence. Yet "the Christian faith is a response based on evidence - and science itself is dependent on faith."

He went on: "There is a huge danger of scientism - seeing science as the only way to truth, and asking people to choose between God and science. It's not 'God or science' - this is a confusion of mechanism and agency. The Christian faith was the motor behind the development of modern science."

He contended that it was all too easy for new atheists to lay all evils at religion's door and exonerate atheism from any responsibility. Yet Stalin destroyed more than 50,000 churches, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn maintained the tragedy of communism arose because "men have forgotten God".

"Can science deliver morality? Every man or woman is created a moral being, made in the image of God. Yet Europe is in moral drift because no-one wants to raise the God question. Where is the new atheists' moral authority?"

He warned that Dawkins' views on a morality based on genetics were highly dangerous: "No good or evil - 'we dance to dna's music'. No blame. This is very serious - and many of our young people are being taught this. 'If God does not exist, everything is permitted'."


If I am a troll for taking an unpopular view on a message board then so be it. However, I see the handwriting on the wall. The "New Atheism" is dying. It is dying because it offers nothing, it is defined by a negative and with the death of Hitchens and Dawkins' now famous admission that he is not atheist, after a serious drubbing in a debate on British television by no less a personage than the Archbishop of Canterbury, as a movement, it is laying in the gutter, twitching and breathing its dying breath.

Atheists, if they ever get sufficient numbers will actively persecute the faithful. They have told us as much and history tells us we should listen to them.
 
2012-05-03 09:49:34 PM
Sounds like a classic case of religious discrimination to me,although I'm sure the Farkers and there too cool for school attitude might disagree.
 
2012-05-03 09:56:16 PM

dandude28: Sounds like a classic case of religious discrimination to me,although I'm sure the Farkers and there too cool for school attitude might disagree. i didnt the RTFA.


FTFY
 
2012-05-03 09:56:37 PM

retrograde: RTOGUY: I'm fine with it.

At least you're honest about your desire to oppress your fellow Americans. Be glad that the present majority does not submit YOU to these kinds of oppression. Be glad that you can bring your frivolous lawsuits trying to get crosses taken down from national cemeteries and war memorials.

Then, as Soviet Russia and Maoist China have shown us atheists are not particularly concerned with the lives of their fellow men.


So, do you have any examples of these horrific acts of oppression that you fear so much?
Didn't think so.
As to you second paragraph Mr historic scholar dude, I give you :
Crusades
More Crusades
Inquisition
Salem witch trials
French Wars of Religion
the Muslim conquests
the Reconquista
ad nauseum
 
2012-05-03 10:04:13 PM
Jesus, I really kicked over your little hate filled atheist hornets nest didn't I? I take it you guys are unused to being challenged on this board.
 
2012-05-03 10:12:08 PM

LovingTeacher: What I said about atheists forcing their way into leadership positions in college Christian clubs was made up bullsh*t. So instead here's some case saying clubs that discriminate on the basis of religion can be denied university funding. It's really outrageous persecution, see, since religious groups are entitled to university funding. Today, it's denying religious clubs university funding. Tomorrow, it's throwing Christians to lions at Superbowl halftime shows.


I respect your candor, if nothing more.
 
2012-05-03 10:14:12 PM

retrograde: Jesus, I really kicked over your little hate filled atheist hornets nest didn't I? I take it you guys are unused to being challenged on this board.


lol, i take it you are unaccustomed to failing at trying to back up every nonsensical thing you post. also, christianity frowns upon taking the Lord's name in vain.

/unless you were directly addressing Jesus
//its after 8 and my prior commitments are now over
 
2012-05-03 10:14:46 PM

retrograde: Jesus, I really kicked over your little hate filled atheist hornets nest didn't I? I take it you guys are unused to being challenged on this board.


`
You might be surprised at what we are used to.
Anyway if your god is so good what are you worried about?
`
So do you really want to try to defend your insanity here or are you going to ignore anything that conficts with your 'faith'?
 
2012-05-03 10:16:20 PM

retrograde: Jesus, I really kicked over your little hate filled atheist hornets nest didn't I? I take it you guys are unused to being challenged on this board.


We are used to at least a minimum level of critical thinking.... And, yeah, there is no hate like christian hate....
 
2012-05-03 10:16:50 PM

Boatmech: retrograde: Jesus, I really kicked over your little hate filled atheist hornets nest didn't I? I take it you guys are unused to being challenged on this board.

`
You might be surprised at what we are used to.
Anyway if your god is so good what are you worried about?
`
So do you really want to try to defend your insanity here or are you going to ignore anything that conficts with your 'faith'?


he cant back any of it up so snarky one-liner retorts will satisfy him. but hey, fark is awesome for that anyway.

/trolling the trolls is fun
 
2012-05-03 10:19:10 PM
Maybe I misjudged you atheists. Just curious, aside from the obviously irrational and sociopathic atheists posting here, how many of you believe:

a) That mocking the deeply held beliefs of others if you do not agree with them is a good thing?

b) That religion should be destroyed?

c) That religion is an evil and pernicious force in the world?

d) That religious people should be "re-educated" using "science" and "reason"?

e) That atheists have a monopoly on "reason"?

Just curious as to the extent of the militancy of the fundamentalist atheists here on Fark.com.
 
2012-05-03 10:21:56 PM

retrograde: More atheist hate mongering. Some quotes from the recent "Crystal Clear Atheism" event, sponsored by the Atheist Alliance International:

Dawkins, the keynote speaker portrayed a black-and-white intellectual battle between atheism and religion. He denounced the "preposterous nonsense of religious customs" and compared religion to racism. He also gave no quarter to moderate or liberal believers, asserting that "so-called moderate Christianity is simply an evasion. If you've been taught to believe it by moderates, what's to stop you from taking the next step and blowing yourself up?" he said.

Another quote from the self anointed man of "reason" this time at the Reason Rally in Washington D.C. where he showing his penchant for intelligent and reasoned discussion called for atheists to outright target and mock religious people. "Mock them, ridicule them in public. Don't fall for the convention that we're all too polite to talk about religion."


A response from another renowned Oxford Scholar Professor John Lennox:

"Oxford University Professor of Mathematics who has debated faith and religion issues with Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens in recent years, Professor Lennox focused on what he called "a new militant atheism that is not just anti-God but anti those who believe in God".

"There is a strong wind blowing for the privatisation of belief in God," he emphasised. "Secularism feels it holds the default position in society, and atheists are about destroying religious faith. It has been stated that 'scientists should do everything that can be done to weaken the hold of religion'."

He went on to identify key areas where new atheists both misrepresented and misunderstood religious faith, and in particular Christianity.

"Religion is seen as a 'pernicious delusion'. Yet, new atheists do not discriminate between moderates and extremists - and they fail to distinguish between Christ's teaching and Christendom.

"If we cease to believe in truth, we will end up ...


You still have not offered a single shred of evidence that proves that ever evil act committed by an atheist was committed because they were an atheist.

Nor have you addressed the issue of faithful, god-loving christians who have committed great acts of evil.

What are you afraid of?
 
2012-05-03 10:24:41 PM
eh, lost interest. he no longer even retorts. it's just new arguments he's already won in his head. off to play some video games. well done, retrograde. i havent participated with such a poor argumentative farker in a long time, brought back memories. thanks.

/trolling 7 of 10
 
2012-05-03 10:26:25 PM

retrograde: Maybe I misjudged you atheists. Just curious, aside from the obviously irrational and sociopathic atheists posting here, how many of you believe:


As a sociopathic atheist, I'll take a stab at this.


a) That mocking the deeply held beliefs of others if you do not agree with them is a good thing?


Only with beer and pretzels.


b) That religion should be destroyed?


Nope.

c) That religion is an evil and pernicious force in the world?


On balance, it has done more harm than good.


d) That religious people should be "re-educated" using "science" and "reason"?


Comedy gold, buddy. Gotta give you credit.

I think they should have been educated using "science" and "reason" in the first place.


e) That atheists have a monopoly on "reason"?


Nope. But when it comes to the existence of god/s, they have a monopoly on "correct."

Just curious as to the extent of the militancy of the fundamentalist atheists here on Fark.com.

My atheist militia only meets about once a month, and the drills are pretty laid back.
 
2012-05-03 10:30:50 PM

retrograde: Maybe I misjudged you atheists. Just curious, aside from the obviously irrational and sociopathic atheists posting here, how many of you believe:

a) That mocking the deeply held beliefs of others if you do not agree with them is a good thing?

b) That religion should be destroyed?

c) That religion is an evil and pernicious force in the world?

d) That religious people should be "re-educated" using "science" and "reason"?

e) That atheists have a monopoly on "reason"?

Just curious as to the extent of the militancy of the fundamentalist atheists here on Fark.com.


I just want religius people to keep their belief-systems private. I am not accepting to have those views reamed down my or my childrens throats. That is all.
 
2012-05-03 10:50:03 PM
retrograde: Maybe I misjudged you atheists.
Just curious, aside from the obviously irrational
and sociopathic
atheists posting here, how many
of you believe:

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You claim to believe in a magical sky wizard but atheists are irrational?
Speaking of sociopaths - you constantly insult those that disagree with you and you seem incapable of responding to direct questions that are put to you - hmm, irrational sociopathic jesus freak.
So, what is this persecution you are so fearful of?
Guilt? Self delusion? Refusal to face reality?
 
2012-05-03 11:03:32 PM

Mock26: Just as I suspected, you have no proof to back up your claim.


"Proof" is for mathematics. I presented ample evidence. You don't accept it because you are prejudiced. Two atheist dictators kill MILLIONS of religious people simply because they are religious. They target religious buildings and shrines. Still not enough for ya huh?

No true Scotsman would ever burn a church. Right Einstein?
 
2012-05-03 11:24:31 PM
To the "Christians killed people too people" I say this: the Crusades were a war of reconquest after the Muslims took the holy land by fire and storm. The "inquisition" was merely a religious tribunal. The "Spanish Inquisition" was limited to Spain, was a secular event by the Spanish monarchy to consolidate their rule after the expulsion of the Muslims and was ended by Papal edict. The rest of the examples, while most were merely political struggles framed in religious terms, in any case were in the far distant past. Stalin and Mao are recent and the atheist murders of the Tibetan monks are still going on. I guess atheists don't study history. You claim "reason" but where is the reason? Your prophet Richard Dawkins calls upon you to mock and harass your fellow Americans. No reason here. The ugliness of your belief system is a stink in the nostrils of all thinking people. Atheism is ugly and atheists are ugly. This thread is proof of that. This is why no rational person would ascribe to this belief. You claim Einstein, Sagan and Asimov as atheist paragons. They were ALL agnostics. In fact Carl Sagan was quoted as saying "I'm agnostic. An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid."

None of you have addressed the evil of moral relativism. In a world without religion, man is exalted, and anything is permissible if the State says it is permitted. Hence the murders of the Tibetan monks and nuns, the desecration of the their sacred places not to mention the brutal holocaust of abortion in the West.

We people of faith are cognizant of the fact that atheism and moral relativism are evil. We know, and it is clear from the posts in this disgusting thread, that atheists are, by nature, mean spirited, cruel and not to be trusted. You people would destroy religion if you had the numbers and you would destroy the faithful if you could. You have made this clear. We have heard you. We will be ready when you make your move.
 
2012-05-03 11:27:16 PM

retrograde: Mock26: Just as I suspected, you have no proof to back up your claim.

"Proof" is for mathematics. I presented ample evidence. You don't accept it because you are prejudiced. Two atheist dictators kill MILLIONS of religious people simply because they are religious. They target religious buildings and shrines. Still not enough for ya huh?

No true Scotsman would ever burn a church. Right Einstein?


t0.gstatic.com
So you going to answer a few questions or are you in a full blown christian fundy temper tantrum?
`
Mock26: Just as I suspected, you
have no proof to back up your claim.
`
Ps "kill them all and let God sort them out" - sound familiar Mr Scholar?
 
2012-05-03 11:40:10 PM

retrograde: To the "Christians killed people too people" I say this: the Crusades were a war of reconquest after the Muslims took the holy land by fire and storm. The "inquisition" was merely a religious tribunal. The "Spanish Inquisition" was limited to Spain, was a secular event by the Spanish monarchy to consolidate their rule after the expulsion of the Muslims and was ended by Papal edict. The rest of the examples, while most were merely political struggles framed in religious terms, in any case were in the far distant past. Stalin and Mao are recent and the atheist murders of the Tibetan monks are still going on. I guess atheists don't study history. You claim "reason" but where is the reason? Your prophet Richard Dawkins calls upon you to mock and harass your fellow Americans. No reason here. The ugliness of your belief system is a stink in the nostrils of all thinking people. Atheism is ugly and atheists are ugly. This thread is proof of that. This is why no rational person would ascribe to this belief. You claim Einstein, Sagan and Asimov as atheist paragons. They were ALL agnostics. In fact Carl Sagan was quoted as saying "I'm agnostic. An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid."

None of you have addressed the evil of moral relativism. In a world without religion, man is exalted, and anything is permissible if the State says it is permitted. Hence the murders of the Tibetan monks and nuns, the desecration of the their sacred places not to mention the brutal holocaust of abortion in the West.

We people of faith are cognizant of the fact that atheism and moral relativism are evil. We know, and it is clear from the posts in this disgusting thread, that atheists are, by nature, mean spirited, cruel and not to be trusted. You people would destroy religion if you had the numbers and you would destroy the faithful if you could. You have made this clear. We have heard you. We will be ready when you make your move.


Yep, it's those intolerant, miltaristic, persectutin' atheist.
You know that entire post was a remarkable example of projection.
I love this part :

We people of faith are cognizant of the
fact that atheism and moral relativism
are evil. We know, and it is clear from
the posts in this disgusting thread,
that atheists are, by nature, mean
spirited, cruel and not to be trusted.
You people would destroy religion if
you had the numbers and you would
destroy the faithful if you could. You
have made this clear. We have heard
you. We will be ready when you make
your move.

`
You're the one making threats preacher man.
 
2012-05-03 11:48:21 PM
"Science produces people who invent airplanes. Religion produces people who fly airplanes into buildings."
 
2012-05-03 11:51:20 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing. People of faith come in all varieties not just Christian. We are Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Pantheist, Animistic, Native American, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Jains, Sikhs and hundreds of others. The anti-Christian bias here is very telling. Tell me atheists do you hate Taoists as much as you hate Christians?
 
2012-05-03 11:55:11 PM

Ed Finnerty: As an atheist who forced his way into a leadership position for my college's christian club,


Wow, thanks for proving my point about atheists being mean spirited and evil.
 
2012-05-03 11:57:54 PM

Boatmech: You're the one making threats preacher man.


Threat? Okay. Be forewarned God Haterman we are not going quietly into the execution chambers if you ever get the upper hand.
 
2012-05-03 11:59:27 PM

retrograde: Oh yeah, one more thing. People of faith come in all varieties not just Christian. We are Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Pantheist, Animistic, Native American, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Jains, Sikhs and hundreds of others. The anti-Christian bias here is very telling. Tell me atheists do you hate Taoists as much as you hate Christians?


All the hate is coming from you.
The insults and the intolerance you are showing is typical of a "Christian".
What about jesus camp? That's recent, relevant and completely scaring the crap out of you, isn't it.
 
2012-05-04 12:05:47 AM

retrograde: Boatmech: You're the one making threats preacher man.

Threat? Okay. Be forewarned God Haterman we are not going quietly into the execution chambers if you ever get the upper hand.


Strange, all the god haters I know don't really give a crap about your fantasies as long as you don't try to force them on us.
And once again bible thumper - YOU are the one making threats about executions.
/but what the hell, You did kill your own messiah.
 
2012-05-04 12:07:20 AM

Boatmech: All the hate is coming from you.


You know after the movie "Jesus Camp" was released the camp was forced to close down after atheists torched the building twice and the Pastor received a cancellation of her lease. So, maybe this is a bad example atheist. Terrorism is supposed to be a "religious thing" right?

What hate? I have exhibited no hate. I am calling a spade a spade. I am calling you guys out for what you are. I am pointing out the historical folly of atheist hate. Yeah, I'm sure this makes you squirm as well it might but there is no hate. Hell, I love all of you no matter how ugly or mean spirited your belief system makes you. I cannot hate you but I do pity you.
 
2012-05-04 12:10:03 AM
Oh, I was just stuck by the humor of atheists comparing "Jesus Camp" with the murder of 100 million people. Jesus, that is desperation.
 
2012-05-04 12:12:45 AM
By the way, I will bookmark this thread as the thread where I decimated an entire cadre of atheists on an overwhelmingly atheist board. Hell, you guys don't even measure up to 4Chan standards. Reddit atheists are ten times more of a challenge.
 
2012-05-04 12:14:34 AM
Wow, you people spent the next 200 comments completely ignoring the point--disruption of the school environment. This is only superficially a question of religious expression.

The kid's shirt wasn't the problem. The kid's religion wasn't the problem. The kid was the problem.

/never let the truth get in the way of a good threadjack though...
 
2012-05-04 12:16:28 AM

retrograde: Oh yeah, one more thing. People of faith come in all varieties not just Christian. We are Christian, Muslim, Pagan, Pantheist, Animistic, Native American, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Jains, Sikhs and hundreds of others. The anti-Christian bias here is very telling. Tell me atheists do you hate Taoists as much as you hate Christians?


Ha!ha! - you're serious?
`
Christian, Muslim,
Pagan, Pantheist, Animistic, Native
American, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist,
Jains, Sikhs and hundreds of others.
`
Everyone of those groups has been actively persecuted, condemned, and harassed by fine upstanding christians such as yourself preacher man.
 
2012-05-04 12:22:06 AM
Thanks a lot Nova Scotia even if your not part of the US the Self-righteous right gets done warping this story, it wont matter.
 
2012-05-04 12:28:55 AM

Cyber_Junk: "Science produces people who invent airplanes. Religion produces people who fly airplanes into buildings."


The Wright brothers were Methodists.
 
2012-05-04 12:36:30 AM

retrograde: By the way, I will bookmark this thread as the thread where I decimated an entire cadre of atheists on an overwhelmingly atheist board. Hell, you guys don't even measure up to 4Chan standards. Reddit atheists are ten times more of a challenge.


retrograde
By the way, I will bookmark this thread as the thread where I decimated an entire cadre of atheists on an overwhelmingly atheist board.

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You're funny, you know that don't you?
Take you little fundie ass back to Sunday school retrograde, you might be able to decimate a few 6 year olds with your intolerance and hate mongering.
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LOOK AT ME GOD! I DECIMATED A WHOLE CADRE OF ATHEISTS FOR YOU!!
 
2012-05-04 12:44:15 AM
A theory on why both Stalin and Hitler encouraged religion at the end of WW2 was the followers gullability....
Killing for god seemed to work better than killing for ideology.
 
2012-05-04 12:44:26 AM

retrograde: Cyber_Junk: "Science produces people who invent airplanes. Religion produces people who fly airplanes into buildings."

The Wright brothers were Methodists.


And inspite of that handicap they still managed to accomplish something worthwhile.
Amazing what happens when you pull your head out of your imaginary gods ass isn't it?
 
2012-05-04 12:51:44 AM

Boatmech: Take you little fundie ass back to Sunday school retrograde, you might be able to decimate a few 6 year olds with your intolerance and hate mongering.


Yeah, I wouldn't say you guys were at a 6 year old level ... more like a high school debate team level. You are not as colorful as 4Chan or Reddit but I am used to tearing atheists apart on Atheist Forums and compared to them ... well .... there IS no comparison. Most of the so called "rebuttal" here consisted of a lot of tired cliches, ignorant misrepresentations of history and weak attempts at mockery. All extremely easy to refute. The mockery is just icing on the cake for me ... I love it. You see, I regularly debate actual informed and respectful atheists who pose far more of a challenge. Don't worry though, I tear them up just about as easily as I tore you people up. It is just generally more interesting but far less funny.

Quite frankly it is easy because atheism is an untenable position philosophically. It cannot be supported because science, history and philosophy are all stacked against it. So, when you trot out the old tired "Crusades, Treaty of Tripoli, Hitler was a Christian" type derp .... it's like shooting fish in a barrel. These arguments have been made and shot out the sky many times before. So, better luck next time.
 
2012-05-04 01:02:23 AM

retrograde: Boatmech: Take you little fundie ass back to Sunday school retrograde, you might be able to decimate a few 6 year olds with your intolerance and hate mongering.

Yeah, I wouldn't say you guys were at a 6 year old level ... more like a high school debate team level. You are not as colorful as 4Chan or Reddit but I am used to tearing atheists apart on Atheist Forums and compared to them ... well .... there IS no comparison. Most of the so called "rebuttal" here consisted of a lot of tired cliches, ignorant misrepresentations of history and weak attempts at mockery. All extremely easy to refute. The mockery is just icing on the cake for me ... I love it. You see, I regularly debate actual informed and respectful atheists who pose far more of a challenge. Don't worry though, I tear them up just about as easily as I tore you people up. It is just generally more interesting but far less funny.

Quite frankly it is easy because atheism is an untenable position philosophically. It cannot be supported because science, history and philosophy are all stacked against it. So, when you trot out the old tired "Crusades, Treaty of Tripoli, Hitler was a Christian" type derp .... it's like shooting fish in a barrel. These arguments have been made and shot out the sky many times before. So, better luck next time.


Yeah, you are so great that your god probably will reward you highly. Why don't you kill yourself to get even closer to him? Or are you just another self-rightous idiot?
Christianity is only 2000 years old. It will be dead in another 200, eliminated "because science, history and philosophy are all stacked against it".
 
2012-05-04 01:18:24 AM

retrograde: Boatmech: Take you little fundie ass back to Sunday school retrograde, you might be able to decimate a few 6 year olds with your intolerance and hate mongering.

Yeah, I wouldn't say you guys were at a 6 year old level ... more like a high school debate team level. You are not as colorful as 4Chan or Reddit but I am used to tearing atheists apart on Atheist Forums and compared to them ... well .... there IS no comparison. Most of the so called "rebuttal" here consisted of a lot of tired cliches, ignorant misrepresentations of history and weak attempts at mockery. All extremely easy to refute. The mockery is just icing on the cake for me ... I love it. You see, I regularly debate actual informed and respectful atheists who pose far more of a challenge. Don't worry though, I tear them up just about as easily as I tore you people up. It is just generally more interesting but far less funny.

Quite frankly it is easy because atheism is an untenable position philosophically. It cannot be supported because science, history and philosophy are all stacked against it. So, when you trot out the old tired "Crusades, Treaty of Tripoli, Hitler was a Christian" type derp .... it's like shooting fish in a barrel. These arguments have been made and shot out the sky many times before. So, better luck next time.


Yea, you tell'em fundie!
If you're through with your 1 man circle jerk let's take a look at this:

Quite frankly it is easy because
atheism is an untenable position
philosophically. It cannot be
supported because science, history
and philosophy are all stacked against
it.
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Gonna need some sort of reference for that assertion.
Religion is based on fantasies and fear as you so well provide an shining example of.
The lack of Religion is simply a understanding of the world that doesn't involve childrens stories and willful self delusion.
By the way, Religion has a long and thoroughly documented history of suppressing and out right destroying science and philosophy when ever they dare disagree with God(tm).
But hey, YOU'RE a CHRISTIAN, why not lie anf distort the truth - you guys have been doing it for 2000+ years.
 
2012-05-04 01:28:10 AM

retrograde: To the "Christians killed people too people" I say this: the Crusades were a war of reconquest after the Muslims took the holy land by fire and storm. The "inquisition" was merely a religious tribunal. The "Spanish Inquisition" was limited to Spain, was a secular event by the Spanish monarchy to consolidate their rule after the expulsion of the Muslims and was ended by Papal edict. The rest of the examples, while most were merely political struggles framed in religious terms, in any case were in the far distant past.


The "Inquisition" was begun in the 12th Century as a method of rooting out heretics in the only Church sanctioned at the time, the Roman Catholic Church. It was formalized in 1254 by Pope Innocent IV specifically to attack and destroy the Cathar heresy. The papal bull ad Extirpanda (on Extirpation) specifically authorized the use of torture to extract information about heretics.

After eradicating the Cathars, the Inquisition was directed at other heretical movements, including the Waldensians (an offshoot of the Cathars), the Knights Templar, the Beghards (a group which preached equality of women and the sanctity of poverty, among other heresies), and any other religious group which challenged the authority of the One True Church.

The Spanish Inquisition under Torquemada concerned itself with "purity of blood" and targeted especially "conversos": Jewish and Moorish converts and their offspring who were irretrievably tainted by their heritage. The Spanish Inquisition was NOT abolished by papal decree: it was ended by Royal fiat, by Queen Regent Maria Christina, in 1834.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the name by which the Inquisition is known today, was never abolished by any edict; in fact, Pope Benedict was a Cardinal in the Congregation prior to his elevation to Pope. It exists today.

The "atheist" domination of Tibet by China has virtually nothing to do with religion; any history book will show you that China has been fighting with Tibetans over that region for centuries. Tibet is a vital area through the region and controlled part of the Silk Road. The struggle is entirely a nationalistic and ethnic one which predates the rise of "atheistic" communism by over a thousand years, and the fact that Tibet was ruled at one time by Buddhist leaders is almost irrelevant.

I'm sure it makes you feel better to believe that the religious wars and persecution throughout history were secularly motivated; and that conversely many non-religious conflicts are in fact wars against religion; but that's just not the case no matter how hard you try to spin it.
 
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