Tatsuma: The three most offensive things (in order) about this article:

1) This happened in Canada
2) The fact that someone would try to prevent him from wearing it
3) the color of the t-shirt
4) the fact he wore it every day for months (seriously?)

FTFY

Tatsuma: As far as that whole passage, explain mega-churches to me.

kingoomieiii: The entire chapter is an almost prescient condemnation of modern Christians. Why are you still digging this hole?

We're on the same page here. For all the lip service he gets, Jesus's philosophy doesn't factor into Christianity much anymore.

DamnYankees: FTFY

Damn right.

TNel: It's hateful to say you have wasted your life without Jesus the same way as those 2 beliefs.

Yeah saying that you are wasting your life if yoshke isn't a part of it is just as hateful as saying Hitler was right to kill 6 millions and try to eliminate all the Jews

You people have got to be trolling.

Glad to see Superdolfan1 is here to give us the 'pick and choose your bible verses' take on what the bible says. Like most religious hypocrites, he can't refute those parts that disagree with his mindset, so he picks a conflicting passage (and the bible is FULL of contradictions) and decides that the other passage is what God really meant, not the inconvenient one.

kingoomieiii: We're on the same page here. For all the lip service he gets, Jesus's philosophy doesn't factor into Christianity much anymore.

It shouldn't be called 'xianity', it should be called 'Paulianity'

Dinki: (and the bible is FULL of contradictions)

There are only contradictions when you mix in the Bible and the gospels

Tatsuma: Dinki: (and the bible is FULL of contradictions)

There are only contradictions when you mix in the Bible and the gospels

There are plenty of contradictions just in the Old Testament as well.

Very effective against zombies

DamnYankees: There are plenty of contradictions just in the Old Testament as well.

Show me one.

Tatsuma: Dinki: (and the bible is FULL of contradictions)

There are only contradictions when you mix in the Bible and the gospels

Oh, so, for example, did God create man AFTER the world was teeming with animals (Gen 1:24-27), or was man the FIRST life on Earth (Gen 2:5-7)?

And these verses are separated by a few dozen words, not pages.

Tatsuma: superdolfan1: like the rest of us, hated disliked hypocrites, especially those who wore their faith on their sleeves, like the Pharisees.

Hey!

Praying in a minyan in synagogue is an actual requirement in Judaism.

As far as that whole passage, explain mega-churches to me.

Some things nobody can explain.

Tatsuma: [horrornews.net image 400x300]

Very effective against zombies

Wrong thread, not saying we should attack yoshke with a lawnmower

superdolfan1: Some things nobody can explain.

Contractors work in mysterious ways.

Anyone who's added an addition to a house can confirm this.

Tatsuma: DamnYankees: There are plenty of contradictions just in the Old Testament as well.

Show me one.

You can't just google "old testament contradictions"? There are lists of hundreds. Here's a random one:

Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.

Tatsuma: DamnYankees: FTFY

Damn right.

TNel: It's hateful to say you have wasted your life without Jesus the same way as those 2 beliefs.

Yeah saying that you are wasting your life if yoshke isn't a part of it is just as hateful as saying Hitler was right to kill 6 millions and try to eliminate all the Jews

You people have got to be trolling.

Hey, i've got an idea. Let's compare the number of people that the Christian God has unfairly condemned to spend eternity in hell* with the number of people Hitler killed, I wonder which is going to be the bigger number.


At it's heart, Christianity's basic message appears to be "God gave you free will and the ability to reason and think rationally. Also, by the way, if you use those gifts to come to the rational and reasonable conclusion that he doesn't exist, then you're going to spend eternity suffering the worst kind of torment you can imagine"


That's pretty farking hateful.

*you know, if I believed that stuff any more

The My Little Pony Killer: kingoomieiii: Tatsuma: Dinki: (and the bible is FULL of contradictions)

There are only contradictions when you mix in the Bible and the gospels

Oh, so, for example, did God create man AFTER the world was teeming with animals (Gen 1:24-27), or was man the FIRST life on Earth (Gen 2:5-7)?

And these verses are separated by a few dozen words, not pages.

Stop, you're being disrespectful by not reading the Bible in the exact same way that Tats does.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradiction s .html

The My Little Pony Killer:

Links that go nowhere are so cool!

Take the spaces out, not sure how they got there to begin with.

kingoomieiii: Oh, so, for example, did God create man AFTER the world was teeming with animals (Gen 1:24-27), or was man the FIRST life on Earth (Gen 2:5-7)?

You know what happens when you just cut-paste things from the internet without verifying them yourself?

You end up looking stupid. There is absolutely no mention that man was 'the FIRST life on Earth' in Bereshiat 2:5-7, and certainly doesn't say that animals were not around either. At least DamnYankee got a bit closer to what could be brought up as a contradiction.

0/10 for you. Not even a contradiction there.

DamnYankees: Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.

The verse in Bereshiat 1:26 uses a word that can be translated as 'brought forth' but does not mean that it actually grew out of the soil. It means that all the seeds and all the groundwork was prepared for plant life everywhere, but it had not yet come to fruition.

Plants were created before man, but they only bloomed after Adam prayed.

2/10

Tatsuma: The verse in Bereshiat 1:26 uses a word that can be translated as 'brought forth' but does not mean that it actually grew out of the soil. It means that all the seeds and all the groundwork was prepared for plant life everywhere, but it had not yet come to fruition.

Tatsuma: There is absolutely no mention that man was 'the FIRST life on Earth' in Bereshiat 2:5-7, and certainly doesn't say that animals were not around either

You are wrong. Genesis 2:18-19 says that God created all the animals after man was already created.

DamnYankees: Tatsuma: The verse in Bereshiat 1:26 uses a word that can be translated as 'brought forth' but does not mean that it actually grew out of the soil. It means that all the seeds and all the groundwork was prepared for plant life everywhere, but it had not yet come to fruition.

Pick another example. This one was very easily resolved and I did not even need to use the Oral Torah to show why its not a contradiction.

Tatsuma: Pick another example. This one was very easily resolved and I did not even need to use the Oral Torah to show why its not a contradiction.

I'm fine with the example I chose. Feel pretty confident about it.

DamnYankees: You are wrong. Genesis 2:18-19 says that God created all the animals after man was already created.

No, it does not say that 'all the animals were created after man', its saying that after man was created, he formed in front of him one animal of each and every species so he'd give them name.

Again, not the same thing at all, and not even a need to fall back on the Oral Torah.

2/10

DamnYankees: I'm fine with the example I chose. Feel pretty confident about it.

I didn't even need to stretch to show why those two are wrong. Just point out you are using bad translations.

I saw this sort of continuity apologies when I moderated the biggest Star Wars board in the world. And they were more convincing.

/Noah's Ark. Explain that
//on second thought, just STFU and move on

Tatsuma: I didn't even need to stretch out to show why those two are wrong.

ftfm

Tatsuma: No, it does not say that 'all the animals were created after man', its saying that after man was created, he formed in front of him one animal of each and every species so he'd give them name.

Haha, no it doesn't. It literally says "And god said it is not good for Adam to be alone", and so he decided to make for him buddies - aka animals as it says in the next sentence.

I look forward to you now citing Rashi to explain how "alone" means he wasn't actually alone, but actually there were tons of animals already around and he just couldn't see them!

Tatsuma: DamnYankees: I'm fine with the example I chose. Feel pretty confident about it.

I didn't even need to stretch to show why those two are wrong. Just point out you are using bad translations.

There's nothing wrong about the translations I gave. I speak Hebrew, in case you forgot.

DamnYankees: I look forward to you now citing Rashi to explain how "alone" means he wasn't actually alone, but actually there were tons of animals already around and he just couldn't see them!

Nowhere does it say in the passuk that Hashem created at this time all the animals, it says that he formed animals in front of Adam so he'd give them names.

What, you think he just created say 300,000 different lions at once, then 250,000 sparrows, and so on? Come on, think. I don't even need to bring Rashi to point that out.

He wanted them to name the animals, nowhere does it say that at this moment he created all the animals.

DamnYankees: I speak Hebrew, in case you forgot.

Then you should use it, because that first example was resolved incredibly easily.

Tatsuma: Nowhere does it say in the passuk that Hashem created at this time all the animals,

So I guess when it says "god formed all the animals" - you know, right in the sentence itself - that's the Devil playing tricks on my mind.

Tatsuma: What, you think he just created say 300,000 different lions at once, then 250,000 sparrows, and so on?

No, I think none of this happened. It's, you know, not true.

DamnYankees: So I guess when it says "god formed all the animals" - you know, right in the sentence itself - that's the Devil playing tricks on my mind.

It says 'Elokim formed every animal'. kol chayot, not kol hachayot.

Seriously, you say you speak Hebrew, that should have popped in front of your eyes immediately.

The My Little Pony Killer: TNel: The My Little Pony Killer:

Links that go nowhere are so cool!

Take the spaces out, not sure how they got there to begin with.

Or you could use the handy-dandy link button and stop expecting me to do your homework.

I would if fark would stop putting http:// inside the button.

Tatsuma: It says 'Elokim formed every animal'. kol chayot, not kol hachayot.

I would like anyone with a brain to tell me the different between "all animals" and "all the animals" in this context. Please, someone explain to me the difference, which is what Tats seemingly believes changes the meaning of everything.

The My Little Pony Killer:

I would if fark would stop putting http:// inside the button.

/facepalm

Why? I go to the url bar click once and it selects the whole url, I hit ctrl c, go to fark hit the button then have to backspace out that stupid http:// then hit ctrl v. Why can't they just put the code but leave that part out, everysite but https sites work fine without haveing http:// specifically typed.

If you really wanted to read it you can copy paste yourself in less than time than it would take to edit a link in the comment box. If not no big deal it doesn't matter to me.

DamnYankees: I would like anyone with a brain to tell me the different between "all animals" and "all the animals" in this context. Please, someone explain to me the difference, which is what Tats seemingly believes changes the meaning of everything.

Don't be so harsh on yourself.

It's really easy:

The Torah doesn't say that G-d created (which is a different verb, yetzer, and not the word used to describe creation ex nihilo) all the animals, it said that G-d formed every animal in front of Adam so he would give them individual names.

That's two completely different things.

Come on, you say you can read Hebrew, how can you pretend that 'kol X' is the same as 'kol haX'

So "god formed every animal in front of Adam" is different than "god created animals after Adam" Wouldn't god have to create (form) Adam first in either of those sentances?

Tatsuma: You know what happens when you just cut-paste things from the internet without verifying them yourself?

Does cut and pasting from biblegateway.com count? It's just a searchable bible, not an evil list compiled by atheists.

Also, where do you get off using the Hebrew translation instead of the original King James?

The My Little Pony Killer:

Stop complaining about it. It takes two seconds.

Stop complaining about it. It takes two seconds to copy and paste a url.

kingoomieiii: Does cut and pasting from biblegateway.com count?

Either way, you were completely wrong and obviously couldn't be bothered to read what you were cut-pasting, which is why I (still) assume you copied that off some website rather than went there to fish those out yourself.

I'd rather think you were lazy than the alternative.

TNel: So "god formed every animal in front of Adam" is different than "god created animals after Adam" Wouldn't god have to create (form) Adam first in either of those sentances?

He's saying that, in order to resolve the contradition, he's imagining context for that verse. He has decided that God, having already populated the Earth with animals, conjured one of each for Adam to name.