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(Right Wing Watch)   Remember David Barton's appearance this week on The Daily Show? When he spoke about a five year old who was yelled at by a teacher for praying before eating his lunch in the school cafeteria? Yeah, about that   (rightwingwatch.org) divider line 192
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2012-05-03 12:46:39 PM  

mitchcumstein1: HotWingConspiracy: Christians and right wingers have a policy of spreading "good" lies to help their arguments. They're proud of this and see it as a valid tactic.

Do not lump all Christians in with Right Wingers.


Virgin Mary.
 
2012-05-03 12:47:41 PM  

Citrate1007: mitchcumstein1: HotWingConspiracy: Christians and right wingers have a policy of spreading "good" lies to help their arguments. They're proud of this and see it as a valid tactic.

Do not lump all Christians in with Right Wingers.

Virgin Mary.


Not all Christians believe that.
 
2012-05-03 12:48:17 PM  

sex0r: Yup, officials from the school accused of wrongdoing deny said wrongdoing. Case closed.

"Do you think it makes sense that the teachers would look around the cafeteria and target the one student who was praying quietly at his seat?"

 
2012-05-03 12:48:56 PM  

12349876: My religion tells me to pray by putting my fists in your eye sockets. Why are you against prayer?


Were you on the "Event Horizon"?
 
mhd
2012-05-03 12:49:08 PM  
I sorta felt bad when I saw the interview, because the minute Barton opened his mouth and I heard his accent, I thought "This won't go well...".

/I should start Wikipedia'ing the guests as soon as they're mentioned, to see whether we've got actual scientists or serious jouranlists, or just politicians, pundits and preachers.
 
2012-05-03 12:49:33 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.


They don't even need to do that. Much of what David Barton says are outright lies. For example, he continues to attribute quotes to Jefferson that Jefferson never said, even after being corrected on them.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:07 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Citrate1007: mitchcumstein1: HotWingConspiracy: Christians and right wingers have a policy of spreading "good" lies to help their arguments. They're proud of this and see it as a valid tactic.

Do not lump all Christians in with Right Wingers.

Virgin Mary.

Not all Christians believe that.



Not all Christians believe in Christ either.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:09 PM  
I think most theists would be left alone if they quit spreading lies and kept thy religion to thy self.

/...and stay the fark off my lawn. Go talk to some snakes or something.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:48 PM  

Disposable Rob: Contents Under Pressure: Jon Stewart and other people interviewing these things need to keep a laptop on their desks, bookmarked to snopes.com.

That would nip all this happy horsesht right in the bud.

They don't even need to do that. Much of what David Barton says are outright lies. For example, he continues to attribute quotes to Jefferson that Jefferson never said, even after being corrected on them.


Don't try to slow him down with facts.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:53 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: Dear David Barton,

You're not helping. Please sit down and shut the fark up.

Signed,
Not being and never have been persecuted Christians (which is all of us in America)


Tell that to a friend of my mother's.

She had the gall to say she was being persecuted for her Christian beliefs by the rest of her family (possible Native American, she never would say what religion they were or if they were atheists) after her dad died.

I strongly suspect she was being obnoxious (because it's her style) and was asked to either stop or tone it down.

So, as a note to religious people everywhere. Being asked to tone it done is not persecution.

Being asked to leave my front porch is not persecution.

Ok, I usually have the Mormon boys do some yard work with me. They can pull weeds for the Lord, I can have my work load slightly lessened. It's a win/win. Last time I gave them quite a few ears of sweet corn too to take back and share with the rest of the missionaries.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:58 PM  

sex0r: Yup, officials from the school accused of wrongdoing deny said wrongdoing. Case closed.


10 year old snowflake claims something improbable... IT'S GOT TO BE TRUE!
 
2012-05-03 12:52:24 PM  

GungFu: Not all Christians believe in Christ either.


Wat?
 
2012-05-03 12:54:21 PM  
Nothing like the two democrats practicing eugenics in SC Link
 
2012-05-03 12:56:29 PM  
At what point will people just go ahead and actually persecute Christians? I mean, if you're gonna be accused of it no matter what you do you might as well get your money's worth out of it, right?
 
2012-05-03 12:56:41 PM  

unchellmatt: Really, all you have to do in order to disprove Barton is, well... read. The Library of Congress has "The Jefferson Papers", which consists of 27,000 documents written by Jefferson. All you have to do is read them. In it, you'll find that Jefferson considered himself not Christian, but "Deist". You'll also find his revulsion for organized religion, but more entertaining is you'll find his opinions on pre-revolution France. Quite a few similarities to what's going on in the US today.


Barton said, very clearly, in the interview that Jefferson abhorred most organized religion.
 
2012-05-03 12:57:00 PM  

ph0rk: GungFu: Not all Christians believe in Christ either.

Wat?


It has been my experience that some self identified "christians", neither attend church, have ever read the bible, or know the 10 commandments. These "christians" tend to be politicians and anti-XXXX folks.
 
2012-05-03 12:57:51 PM  

meat0918: SweetSilverBlues: Dear David Barton,

You're not helping. Please sit down and shut the fark up.

Signed,
Not being and never have been persecuted Christians (which is all of us in America)

Tell that to a friend of my mother's.

She had the gall to say she was being persecuted for her Christian beliefs by the rest of her family (possible Native American, she never would say what religion they were or if they were atheists) after her dad died.

I strongly suspect she was being obnoxious (because it's her style) and was asked to either stop or tone it down.

So, as a note to religious people everywhere. Being asked to tone it done is not persecution.

Being asked to leave my front porch is not persecution.

Ok, I usually have the Mormon boys do some yard work with me. They can pull weeds for the Lord, I can have my work load slightly lessened. It's a win/win. Last time I gave them quite a few ears of sweet corn too to take back and share with the rest of the missionaries.


No matter how many times I've looked, and how many times I've asked, I cannot find where in the Bible it says:

Go forth and trumpet the name of the LORD, for He wishes to be glorified and His WORD spread through the braying of asses.

Amen.
 
2012-05-03 01:00:46 PM  
blog.amsvans.com

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. Amen."
 
2012-05-03 01:01:27 PM  

sex0r: Yup, officials from the school accused of wrongdoing deny said wrongdoing. Case closed.

 
2012-05-03 01:01:35 PM  
I thought we weren't supposed to take it seriously because its a comedy show.
 
2012-05-03 01:01:43 PM  

Byno: PlatinumDragon: LowbrowDeluxe: PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Almost as if... both sides are bad... so... ?

He fixes the cable? Wait, that's not right

Um, Sarah Palin is automatically President? Sort of seems to fit, but...

Your argument is invalid (because my hair is a bird)?

Damnit, it's on the tip of my tongue. Both sides are bad so something something.


Go crazy?
 
2012-05-03 01:02:25 PM  
Turn him over to the Romans, they'll take care of him.
 
2012-05-03 01:03:46 PM  

meat0918: Ok, I usually have the Mormon boys do some yard work with me. They can pull weeds for the Lord, I can have my work load slightly lessened.


I see what you did there. You're just trying to mess up their suits with sweat and dirt.
 
2012-05-03 01:04:14 PM  
In Barton's defense, let's face it, Christians aren't exactly all that familiar with, or interested in things that are true. Truth is not important to them.
 
2012-05-03 01:04:16 PM  

BadJazz: Go crazy?


Don't mind if I do!!!
 
2012-05-03 01:04:18 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: sex0r: Yup, officials from the school accused of wrongdoing deny said wrongdoing. Case closed.

"Do you think it makes sense that the teachers would look around the cafeteria and target the one student who was praying quietly at his seat?"


Does it make sense a teacher called an autistic kid a "bastard", or that a week doesn't go by without a story of a teacher sleeping with a student? What about the teacher that grabbed a student, shoved him under a desk, and told him that's what the Nazi's did to the Jews? You assume that all teachers are a bastion of reasonableness. That's not a good assumption.
 
2012-05-03 01:04:27 PM  
said Kenneth Brostron, the school's lawyer.

Ah, that must be the truth, then.
 
2012-05-03 01:04:28 PM  

BadJazz: Byno: PlatinumDragon: LowbrowDeluxe: PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Almost as if... both sides are bad... so... ?

He fixes the cable? Wait, that's not right

Um, Sarah Palin is automatically President? Sort of seems to fit, but...

Your argument is invalid (because my hair is a bird)?

Damnit, it's on the tip of my tongue. Both sides are bad so something something.

Go crazy?


humordistrict.com

Don't mind if I do!
 
2012-05-03 01:05:12 PM  

duffblue: The same could be said about Judaism and Islam but dat's racist!


Show me the fundy Jews and Moslems in any western democracy who are in political power and who are attempting to bend the morality and the laws of that nation based upon the dictates of their scripture.

You can't. They don't exist.

Go play your "poor poor me." card somewhere else where it's not such an obvious lie.
 
2012-05-03 01:05:37 PM  

Allen. The end.: 12349876: My religion tells me to pray by putting my fists in your eye sockets. Why are you against prayer?

Were you on the "Event Horizon"?


Several escape pods were jettisoned.
 
2012-05-03 01:05:43 PM  
Also, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cku497rURF8
 
2012-05-03 01:06:17 PM  
Meh not the weirdest Christian persecution fantasy I've heard. I think the one that takes the cake is Jess LaVey who was claiming to be Anton LaVey's son and renounced the church of Satan. He had all these stories about what Anton did to groom him to take over the church of Satan and it all was bull shiat.

Is he still out there selling his crap to Christians?
 
2012-05-03 01:09:07 PM  

theorellior: meat0918: Ok, I usually have the Mormon boys do some yard work with me. They can pull weeds for the Lord, I can have my work load slightly lessened.

I see what you did there. You're just trying to mess up their suits with sweat and dirt.


They offered to do service work, so I let them.

They haven't been back since. We were getting them every 3-6 months for 3 years, after having them work; no more missionaries.

We'll see if the trend continues this summer.

SweetSilverBlues: No matter how many times I've looked, and how many times I've asked, I cannot find where in the Bible it says:

Go forth and trumpet the name of the LORD, for He wishes to be glorified and His WORD spread through the braying of asses.

Amen.


Matthew 28:18-20
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


Close enough
 
2012-05-03 01:09:51 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: meat0918: SweetSilverBlues: Dear David Barton,

You're not helping. Please sit down and shut the fark up.

Signed,
Not being and never have been persecuted Christians (which is all of us in America)

Tell that to a friend of my mother's.

She had the gall to say she was being persecuted for her Christian beliefs by the rest of her family (possible Native American, she never would say what religion they were or if they were atheists) after her dad died.

I strongly suspect she was being obnoxious (because it's her style) and was asked to either stop or tone it down.

So, as a note to religious people everywhere. Being asked to tone it done is not persecution.

Being asked to leave my front porch is not persecution.

Ok, I usually have the Mormon boys do some yard work with me. They can pull weeds for the Lord, I can have my work load slightly lessened. It's a win/win. Last time I gave them quite a few ears of sweet corn too to take back and share with the rest of the missionaries.

No matter how many times I've looked, and how many times I've asked, I cannot find where in the Bible it says:

Go forth and trumpet the name of the LORD, for He wishes to be glorified and His WORD spread through the braying of asses.

Amen.


the book always has the answers. anything is justified by it if you look hard enough
 
2012-05-03 01:10:25 PM  

duffblue: rudemix: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

Take your religion back from those that give good reason to bash it and it'll stop. Until then your religion needs bashing and every sheep that complacently follows it.

The same could be said about Judaism and Islam but dat's racist!


Strawman. I don't know any critic of religion that thinks jadaism or islam are any less bullshiat than christianity.
 
2012-05-03 01:11:23 PM  

PlatinumDragon: LowbrowDeluxe: PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Almost as if... both sides are bad... so... ?


Both sides are bad, so go fark yourself.
 
2012-05-03 01:11:58 PM  

drb9: Wait a minute. I'm not sure whether this happened or not. The kid says it was because he was praying. The school's lawyer said it was because the kid was fighting. Why are people quick to believe a lawyer over the kid?


Like the lawyer said, have you ever been a school cafeteria as an adult? You are not going to punish the one kid quietly praying.
 
2012-05-03 01:12:41 PM  

divgradcurl: gideo


Who are the farking Gideons?

/obscure?
 
2012-05-03 01:13:10 PM  
Lots of retractions today. It's almost like the news is trolling us for ratings. But nah, that would never happen.
 
2012-05-03 01:13:15 PM  
Most of the loudest self-proclaimed "Christians" are just Paulian pharisees run amok.
 
2012-05-03 01:13:40 PM  

manimal2878: duffblue: rudemix: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

Take your religion back from those that give good reason to bash it and it'll stop. Until then your religion needs bashing and every sheep that complacently follows it.

The same could be said about Judaism and Islam but dat's racist!

Strawman. I don't know any critic of religion that thinks jadaism or islam are any less bullshiat than christianity.


www.realbollywood.com
 
2012-05-03 01:13:44 PM  
Wow...just like the lie in Roe Vs, Wade

/people lie
/all of them
 
2012-05-03 01:13:51 PM  

BadJazz: Byno: PlatinumDragon: LowbrowDeluxe: PlatinumDragon: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

You sound oppressed.

No, he's just realized the important thing is finding a way to feel superior to both sides.

Almost as if... both sides are bad... so... ?

He fixes the cable? Wait, that's not right

Um, Sarah Palin is automatically President? Sort of seems to fit, but...

Your argument is invalid (because my hair is a bird)?

Damnit, it's on the tip of my tongue. Both sides are bad so something something.

Go crazy?


media.tumblr.com
Just because.
 
2012-05-03 01:14:50 PM  

GungFu: Not all Christians believe in Christ either.


um... by definition don't you have to believe there was a jesus in some form to be christian?
 
2012-05-03 01:15:01 PM  

whither_apophis: Way to bear false witness there big guy. Is there a single commandment right wing Xians actually keep?



Yes:

#11 - Thou shalt take all of Jesus' teachings, and behave as if it was Opposite Day.
 
2012-05-03 01:16:11 PM  
yert, meat0918, quoting on mobile is a pain, so "Stuff".

Yeah, that's the good and the bad thing about the Bible, is it's open to a variety of interpretations.

As an example, with meat's quote, I take that as talking to people who seek you out. Baptism without belief is worthless, and teaching (to me) implies voluntary pupils.

I don't get how anyone thinks they can show someone the glory of God by beating them about the head and shoulders with a Bible.

Osmosis?
 
2012-05-03 01:17:10 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Um, most anecdotal stories levied by politicians (or other folks with an agenda to push) are extremely exaggerated and/or completely made up.


SO VOTE REPUBLICAN, AMIRITE?
 
2012-05-03 01:17:19 PM  

PeterPipersPickledPecker: manimal2878: duffblue: rudemix: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

Take your religion back from those that give good reason to bash it and it'll stop. Until then your religion needs bashing and every sheep that complacently follows it.

The same could be said about Judaism and Islam but dat's racist!

Strawman. I don't know any critic of religion that thinks jadaism or islam are any less bullshiat than christianity.

[www.realbollywood.com image 293x400]


Who is that?
 
2012-05-03 01:18:49 PM  

swangoatman: Nothing like the two democrats practicing eugenics in SC Link


Did you stumble into the wrong thread?
 
2012-05-03 01:19:18 PM  

manimal2878: PeterPipersPickledPecker: manimal2878: duffblue: rudemix: duffblue: Oh cool, a Christian conservative bashing thread. we haven't had one of those in a good five minutes.

Take your religion back from those that give good reason to bash it and it'll stop. Until then your religion needs bashing and every sheep that complacently follows it.

The same could be said about Judaism and Islam but dat's racist!

Strawman. I don't know any critic of religion that thinks jadaism or islam are any less bullshiat than christianity.

[www.realbollywood.com image 293x400]

Who is that?



Jada Pinkett Smith
 
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