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(ESPN)   AJ Burnett is once again a dominating pitcher now that he's out of the AL East. Just kidding, he gave up 12 earned runs in less than 3 innings   (scores.espn.go.com ) divider line
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2012-05-03 12:14:23 PM  
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/oblig
//Yankee fan
///he's this generation's Bobby Witt
 
2012-05-03 12:14:48 PM  
He allowed only three hits in seven innings vs St. Louis last week. Yesterday, the Cardinals were up 4-0 after six pitches.
 
2012-05-03 12:16:07 PM  
I don't follow the NL very closely... but how bad was the Pirates' rotation that getting AJ Burnett would be an improvement?
 
2012-05-03 12:25:33 PM  
Cards were jumping at the first pitch. You'd think after the first 10, he'd start a batter with a curve in the dirt.

JC
 
2012-05-03 12:28:24 PM  

hp6sa: I don't follow the NL very closely... but how bad was the Pirates' rotation that getting AJ Burnett would be an improvement?


Didn't know this until yesterday, but apparently the Angels were going to trade Abreu for him before the season, and he said "No". Apparently, he wanted to be on a team with absolutely no chance for the playoffs above one with a pretty good shot(at least at the time). Guess he REALLY can't handle the pressure
 
2012-05-03 12:34:30 PM  
Burnett was so bad, even Pujols might have been able to get a hit off of him last night.
 
2012-05-03 12:36:51 PM  

hp6sa: I don't follow the NL very closely... but how bad was the Pirates' rotation that getting AJ Burnett would be an improvement?


My assumption was the Pirates, knowing they're still not ready to be a legit contender, were willing to take a flyer on him to hope he rebounds to a solid if not "really good" 2012, then dangle him again on the open market. He still has one year after this left on that monster contract.
 
2012-05-03 12:37:13 PM  
Man, letting Pujols walk and using the savings for two years of Carlos Beltran is looking like a genius-level play at this point in the season, like rescuing Berkman off the scrap heap was last year.

Apparently Mozeliak knows what he's doing in St. Louis.
 
2012-05-03 12:37:56 PM  

bhcompy: hp6sa: I don't follow the NL very closely... but how bad was the Pirates' rotation that getting AJ Burnett would be an improvement?

Didn't know this until yesterday, but apparently the Angels were going to trade Abreu for him before the season, and he said "No". Apparently, he wanted to be on a team with absolutely no chance for the playoffs above one with a pretty good shot(at least at the time). Guess he REALLY can't handle the pressure


Well supposedly he didn't want to go to a west coast team. I dunno if he would have said "no" if, say, the Reds or or Braves or some similar east coast-y team wanted him

JoeCowboy: Cards were jumping at the first pitch. You'd think after the first 10, he'd start a batter with a curve in the dirt.

JC


Hopefully it's that easily explainable.
 
2012-05-03 12:49:22 PM  

Rwa2play: he's this generation's Bobby Witt


There's a name I didn't expect to see today. And I'm not even 33 and I remember how shiatty Witt was as a Yankee.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:40 PM  

JoeCowboy: Cards were jumping at the first pitch. You'd think after the first 10, he'd start a batter with a curve in the dirt.

JC


It's the Pirates, they'd take Whitey Ford as their number 1 started right now.
 
2012-05-03 01:05:37 PM  

phyrkrakr: Man, letting Pujols walk and using the savings for two years of Carlos Beltran is looking like a genius-level play at this point in the season, like rescuing Berkman off the scrap heap was last year.

Apparently Mozeliak knows what he's doing in St. Louis.


No one ever doubted Beltran's ability. They doubted his health. As far as Berkman, he wasn't scrap heap I'd say, just underappreciated(which he has been for much of his career)
 
2012-05-03 01:12:29 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: he's this generation's Bobby Witt

There's a name I didn't expect to see today. And I'm not even 33 and I remember how shiatty Witt was as a Yankee.


Uh, I think you were referring to Mike Witt (former CA Angels pitcher). Bobby Witt was the former Texas Ranger that (a) was around when Nolan Ryan was pitching and (b) thought his FB was better than Nolan's and tried to beat every batter with said pitch. Even Nolan knew he had to keep batters off-balance well into his 40's. Bobby didn't believe in anything else but the FB.
 
2012-05-03 01:14:11 PM  

Rwa2play: Uh, I think you were referring to Mike Witt (former CA Angels pitcher)


You're right. Lack of sleep today.

Mike Witt sucked also.
 
2012-05-03 01:47:51 PM  

bhcompy: As far as Berkman, he wasn't scrap heap I'd say, just underappreciated(which he has been for much of his career)


I don't know about that man. He was scrapheap enough the Astros wouldn't even pick him back up when he asked to come back. Enough people thought he was done that he won NL Comeback Player of the Year last year.

The Cardinals were the only team that wanted him, and even then it was more of a shot in the dark than anything. Hell even Mo and Berkman both said they couldn't believe the year he was having.
 
2012-05-03 01:54:26 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: The Cardinals were the only team that wanted him, and even then it was more of a shot in the dark than anything.


Not true. According to Berkman, the A's, Cubs, Cards, Jays, Pirates, Rockies and two "mystery teams" were all interested in him. But the Cards were the only ones willing to make him a full-time OF, which was what he really wanted to do. He absolutely did not want to DH, so that scared some AL teams away.
 
Slu
2012-05-03 02:18:56 PM  

Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: he's this generation's Bobby Witt

There's a name I didn't expect to see today. And I'm not even 33 and I remember how shiatty Witt was as a Yankee.

Uh, I think you were referring to Mike Witt (former CA Angels pitcher). Bobby Witt was the former Texas Ranger that (a) was around when Nolan Ryan was pitching and (b) thought his FB was better than Nolan's and tried to beat every batter with said pitch. Even Nolan knew he had to keep batters off-balance well into his 40's. Bobby didn't believe in anything else but the FB.


The Yankees also used to beat the shait out Bobby Witt. It was awesome.
 
2012-05-03 02:26:48 PM  

Slu: Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: he's this generation's Bobby Witt

There's a name I didn't expect to see today. And I'm not even 33 and I remember how shiatty Witt was as a Yankee.

Uh, I think you were referring to Mike Witt (former CA Angels pitcher). Bobby Witt was the former Texas Ranger that (a) was around when Nolan Ryan was pitching and (b) thought his FB was better than Nolan's and tried to beat every batter with said pitch. Even Nolan knew he had to keep batters off-balance well into his 40's. Bobby didn't believe in anything else but the FB.

The Yankees also used to beat the shait out Bobby Witt. It was awesome.


Most of the conversations by the other AL teams went like this:

A: "Who we're facing today?"
B: "Rangers"
A: "Who's pitching for them today?"
B: "Bobby Witt."
(both grin widely)
A & B: "Chicks dig the long ball."
 
2012-05-03 02:52:33 PM  

phyrkrakr: Apparently Mozeliak knows what he's doing in St. Louis.


Yep, definitely an improvement over Jocketty. Jocketty was good a wheeling and dealing near the trade deadline, but he often dipped into the minor league talent. By the end of his run here, I'm pretty sure the Cards' farm system wasn't held in terribly high regard. Case in point, a deal I hated from the day it was made: Dan Haren, Kiko Calero, and Daric Barton to the A's for Mark Mulder. Calero was an above-average reliever with the Cardinals, Barton a former first round pick who had high expectations, and Haren's gotten to double-digit wins 7 times since with a career ERA of 3.58. And Mulder? He had a solid '05, then had 3 more injury-plagued seasons, and hasn't pitched since '08. They got 53 starts and 22 wins out of him.

Mo, on the other hand, seems to be good at reclaiming washed up veterans, like Berkman, Furcal, and Beltran. Hell, Jake Westbrook's ERA with the Cards is a full run lower than Mulder's was. And the ballsy move he made last year, shipping a five tools player in Rasmus who'd bottomed out here off to the Great White North along with some other disappointing pitchers, for starting pitching help in Edwin Jackson, plus a couple of relievers to bolster the 'pen, helped set the Cardinals up for their improbable run to the World Series. Even if Scrabble's the only player left from that deal, he should be a solid reliever here for several years more.

Fun fact: the Jays released the three pitchers in the trade (Miller, Tallet, and Walters), and none of them has played in the majors yet this season. And Rasmus is hitting below the Mendoza line in 60 games in the AL.
 
2012-05-03 02:53:13 PM  

Rwa2play: /oblig
//Yankee fan
///he's this generation's Bobby Witt


You relied on him for 3 years, motherfarker
 
2012-05-03 02:56:05 PM  

bhcompy: phyrkrakr: Man, letting Pujols walk and using the savings for two years of Carlos Beltran is looking like a genius-level play at this point in the season, like rescuing Berkman off the scrap heap was last year.

Apparently Mozeliak knows what he's doing in St. Louis.

No one ever doubted Beltran's ability. They doubted his health. As far as Berkman, he wasn't scrap heap I'd say, just underappreciated(which he has been for much of his career)


Under appreciated Berkman? By whom? You're an epic retard
 
2012-05-03 03:01:18 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Rwa2play: /oblig
//Yankee fan
///he's this generation's Bobby Witt

You relied on him for 3 years, motherfarker


Yeah, and I wish we hadn't.
 
2012-05-03 03:05:07 PM  

madden101: phyrkrakr: Apparently Mozeliak knows what he's doing in St. Louis.

Yep, definitely an improvement over Jocketty. Jocketty was good a wheeling and dealing near the trade deadline, but he often dipped into the minor league talent. By the end of his run here, I'm pretty sure the Cards' farm system wasn't held in terribly high regard. Case in point, a deal I hated from the day it was made: Dan Haren, Kiko Calero, and Daric Barton to the A's for Mark Mulder. Calero was an above-average reliever with the Cardinals, Barton a former first round pick who had high expectations, and Haren's gotten to double-digit wins 7 times since with a career ERA of 3.58. And Mulder? He had a solid '05, then had 3 more injury-plagued seasons, and hasn't pitched since '08. They got 53 starts and 22 wins out of him.

Mo, on the other hand, seems to be good at reclaiming washed up veterans, like Berkman, Furcal, and Beltran. Hell, Jake Westbrook's ERA with the Cards is a full run lower than Mulder's was. And the ballsy move he made last year, shipping a five tools player in Rasmus who'd bottomed out here off to the Great White North along with some other disappointing pitchers, for starting pitching help in Edwin Jackson, plus a couple of relievers to bolster the 'pen, helped set the Cardinals up for their improbable run to the World Series. Even if Scrabble's the only player left from that deal, he should be a solid reliever here for several years more.

Fun fact: the Jays released the three pitchers in the trade (Miller, Tallet, and Walters), and none of them has played in the majors yet this season. And Rasmus is hitting below the Mendoza line in 60 games in the AL.


Enjoy your schadenfreude douche. Rasmus is above average defensively and while he feels the need to look like an emo teenager it wasn't a bad trade.
 
2012-05-03 03:20:49 PM  

JoeCowboy: Cards were jumping at the first pitch. You'd think after the first 10, he'd start a batter with a curve in the dirt.

JC


I think he used up his career quota of "ball to the dirt" pitches while in NY.
 
2012-05-03 04:02:07 PM  

inclemency: Enjoy your schadenfreude douche. Rasmus is above average defensively and while he feels the need to look like an emo teenager it wasn't a bad trade.


No, it was a pretty damn good trade, if you ask me. Rasmus wasn't ever going to reach his potential in St. Louis, the organization and team had kind of turned on him. The Blue Jays traded a bunch of scrap heap stuff (except for Scrabble) to take on a big bag of potential. Oh, and by scrap heap, I mean solid role players at the end of contracts as opposed to prospects.

I kinda hope the kid pulls out of it, and the trade worked in that John Jay out hit Rasmus down the stretch and without Octavio Dotel, Edwin Jackson, and Rzepczynski, they never have that brilliant stretch run to get into the playoffs, much less win a World Series.

Like a lot of trades, that was a down the road one. The Cards definitely got the short term benefit, but we'll just have to see if Rasmus is good enough for the Blue Jays to break even long term.
 
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