The lame stream liberal media conspiracy refuses to report about the Cleveland steamer!!!! *furiously humps floor*

shamanwest: Guess who is making my favs when I get home... Any particular color you favor? Black, for ninja, would be counter productive.

I have him at "blue 3." It's nice and spooky.

lennavan: Lenny_da_Hog: Geotpf: SomethingWitty84: Because the bombers had an agenda, and Occupy doesn't, and that contradiction would make a new reporter's head explode.

I like this answer.

Seriously, what the fark is the point of the Occupy protests? They seem to be protesting for the sake of protesting, intentionally avoiding any specific, tangible point or cause.

Yes.

Unless you're like ALEC and actually write legislation and hand it off to your paid congressman, you aren't being specific enough and have not right to protest the general condition of the US economy.

There is no specific tangible point or cause because this is what an actual grassroots movement looks like. The Tea Party has concise goals because it was headed by Fox News with leaders and talking points and whatnot. The sheeple were told what to follow. Who is the leader of OWS? Gee, I wonder why there's no single coherent tangible point or legislation.

And WTF? You cannot protest unless you are specific about it? Are you shiatting me? WTF country do you live in? This is supposed to be one of those, we elect people to represent us sort of deals. We tell them what we want and they do it. The public is not doctors/lawyers/economists/sociologists/etc all in one. We farking pay legislators to hire experts, become experts themselves and then make the decisions. That's how this shiat works. So we go to our legislator and tell them "our economy sucks balls." They then turn around to their staff of experts and start figuring things out to fix it. We turn to our legislator and say "holy shiat gas prices eat donkey nuts." Our legislator then turns around to their staff and come up with various plans or methods and select the best one(s) and enact them.

What the hell country do you live in where the public should be writing the specific legislation they want passed? What the hell jobs have you held in your life where your boss apparently walks up to you and gives you step by step directions? My ...

You might need to go get your sarcasm detector serviced. It should still be under warranty if you got yours after 1992.

shamanwest: Any particular color you favor?


Red, comrade.

Because May Day has been for over 100 years a day that anarchists love to blow shiat up or at least try to?

Geotpf: Seriously, what the fark is the point of the Occupy protests? They seem to be protesting for the sake of protesting, intentionally avoiding any specific, tangible point or cause.

The Occupy movement is an umbrella term. There are so many different groups involved. There are socialists, anarchists, the green/rainbow party, communists, stalinists, maoists, environmentalists, etc. etc. if you want to know what someone is protesting you should ask them.

Why has most of the main stream media ignored...

MK Ultra 2012 - Cops Caught Mass Drugging Teens And Dropping Them At Occupy Minnesota

Police in Minnesota have been caught on video picking up teenagers, doing drug experiments on them, and the dropping them off at the local Occupy protest to discredit the movement.

one bad turn deserves another.

King Something: You might need to go get your sarcasm detector serviced. It should still be under warranty if you got yours after 1992.

What the hell are you talki

Lenny_da_Hog: and hand it off to your paid congressman

oh fme so hard. my bad

/coffee time

WhyteRaven74: Because May Day has been for over 100 years a day that anarchists love to blow shiat up or at least try to?

Well if we were going to keep with history the cops should have opened fire and mostly shoot one another. After that, round up a group of scapegoats and have them executed after a sham of a trial.

Geotpf
Seriously, what the fark is the point of the Occupy protests? They seem to be protesting for the sake of protesting, intentionally avoiding any specific, tangible point or cause.

This is a question regularly asked by people who cannot distinguish between a group and the individuals that identify with the group (I'm not necessarily referring to you). They all have their reasons for protesting, but what confuses people is that they don't necessarily have the same reasons. Conservatives, in particular, tend to find the concept of individual thought rather alien. This isn't intended as a cheap shot at conservatives. It is, by definition, a conservative trait.

So, here's a summary. Lots of stupid decisions, by powerful people, led to a depression. Little has been done to prevent another such event. Little has been done to resolve the current economic problems. And, in a moral sense, the rich and powerful people that caused this depression are still rich and powerful while it is the young and poor who are paying for the mistakes. The root problem, which is being protested rather clearly, is that too much power has been concentrated among too few people, leading to a severe lack of accountability.

Or, simply, people without jobs and opportunity are unhappy. Unhappy people protest. A large number of Tea Partiers are protesting for the same reason (though the official Tea Party is completely astroturfed and has mostly moronic policy goals, and makes me glad that there is not really an official OWS platform).

Lenny_da_Hog: Geotpf: SomethingWitty84: Because the bombers had an agenda, and Occupy doesn't, and that contradiction would make a new reporter's head explode.

I like this answer.

Seriously, what the fark is the point of the Occupy protests? They seem to be protesting for the sake of protesting, intentionally avoiding any specific, tangible point or cause.

Yes.

Unless you're like ALEC and actually write legislation and hand it off to your paid congressman, you aren't being specific enough and have not right to protest the general condition of the US economy.

My post said "agenda," not "point." I believe there's a point, but no clear agenda or step-by-step process. Yeah yeah yeah, grassroots and broad-sweeping, blah blah. Like it or not, chaos doesn't get things done. You can have an Occupy group in every city in the country, but their intercommunication is so weak that they're all ineffective.

Every time I see someone say, "We have actual, tangible, realistic desires" the list changes. How many people have laid out checklists over and over, and every time those checklists are completely different. Different priorities, different desires, and no focus.

So yes there's a point. They aren't protesting for the sake of protesting. But there is. no. clear agenda. Because it "compromises values" or "goes against the movement" or whatever reason they don't want to have a figurehead and a way of going through the proper channels.

Good luck with that.

lennavan: The Tea Party has concise goals because it was headed by Fox News with leaders and talking points and whatnot. The sheeple were told what to follow. Who is the leader of OWS? Gee, I wonder why there's no single coherent tangible point or legislation.

This is because tea-party types spout off about "freedom" but can't fathom not having a leader to tell them what to do. All their lives, they have been there. Daddy, the preacher, the boy scout leader, the foreman at the shop. The idea of a leaderless movement, no matter what the object, is alien to them. Somebody has to be in charge! Their God is a stern cop in the sky. This is why they are so focused on "freedom" because they don't actually have any and have never known it.

The OWS types are the result of 40 years of being raised by ex-hippies who read Dr. Spock and go to church at the local Unitarian-Uninversalist congregation. They have been taught to make their own choices, have their own thoughts. Daddy won't beat them with a shoe if they express a thought that differs from Daddy's, but Daddy may make them defend the thought and prove it valid. They have developed over their lifetimes critical thinking skills and an understanding of consensus as a leadership model. They have had so much freedom over their lives that they don't mind giving a little up to help their fellow Americans.

nekom: Because it doesn't really matter? As long as no one else gave them material support or was aware of the plot, all they have in common is that they share a common cause. A cause that is perfectly legal to pursue through protest and other political means. Is there anyone out there who doesn't realize that left wing and right wing terrorists both exist as well as the religious zealots? There's nothing new here.

I think the obvious conclusion to make is that we need to ban all religious and political organizations. Problem solved! You're welcome.

The "Black Bloc" shows up at Occupy Portland and Seattle events, destroying shiat, smashing glass windows/doors, starting fires, attacking police, and disrupting traffic. Occupy claims they are not affiliated with the Occupy Movement, but they've been showing up at most Occupy events since October.

That's why I'm done with this movement, and want to see them go away. If you can't demonstrate good behavior among their own, you let the lowest denominator define your entire movement.

Occupy gives progressives and liberals a bad name. Go away.

It might have something to do with the press finally catching onto the fact that almost every "terror" plot stopped by the FBI has been a screwjob involving a plant. Oh, I'm sorry, the term is "undercover agent."

/Maybe using the term "Federal Bureau of Instigation" is going too far, but fark it, I'll go too far

There was no MSM mention that the Ohio Bombers also all attended public school ("government" school), or that they all had permits to drive ("government issued" permits)!

They're all part of a seekrit gubermint plot!!

moops: The "Black Bloc" shows up at Occupy Portland and Seattle events, destroying shiat, smashing glass windows/doors, starting fires, attacking police, and disrupting traffic. Occupy claims they are not affiliated with the Occupy Movement, but they've been showing up at most Occupy events since October.

That's why I'm done with this movement, and want to see them go away. If you can't demonstrate good behavior among their own, you let the lowest denominator define your entire movement.

Occupy gives progressives and liberals a bad name. Go away.

What would you like OWS to do about the "Black Block"? Seriously, do you want them to be physically barred from the area by OWS?

Philip Francis Queeg: moops: The "Black Bloc" shows up at Occupy Portland and Seattle events, destroying shiat, smashing glass windows/doors, starting fires, attacking police, and disrupting traffic. Occupy claims they are not affiliated with the Occupy Movement, but they've been showing up at most Occupy events since October.

That's why I'm done with this movement, and want to see them go away. If you can't demonstrate good behavior among their own, you let the lowest denominator define your entire movement.

Occupy gives progressives and liberals a bad name. Go away.

What would you like OWS to do about the "Black Block"? Seriously, do you want them to be physically barred from the area by OWS?

I'd like OWS to start by getting permits and having the slightest inkling of organization, yes. All this movement is doing is defining exactly why the system we have, which is broken, was implemented in the first farking place. Every time there's an OWS riot or violence, my first thought is, "Yeah. That's why there are permits and police and rules in place that some people know how to exploit and corrupt."

Unregulated people are the cause of the system that is the farking problem.

Philip Francis Queeg: What would you like OWS to do about the "Black Block"? Seriously, do you want them to be physically barred from the area by OWS?

Yes!

If you cannot prevent repeated illegal behavior in your movement, your movement deserves to die.

Pocket Ninja: Amazing



/hot

No different than Anonymous. Every time there's an attack attributed to Anon and "they" try to disown or disavow it, they can't. By definition, Anon is anyone who claims to be Anon, and once they open that door they can't turn around any say, "Well, except that nut." OWS inherently has the same problem. They accept all who are disgruntled, they reject going through the system to fix the system, and then they try to distance themselves from the kooks that take it too far. Too farking bad, you can't, because of the very manner you've defined yourself.

moops: Philip Francis Queeg: What would you like OWS to do about the "Black Block"? Seriously, do you want them to be physically barred from the area by OWS?

Yes!

If you cannot prevent repeated illegal behavior in your movement, your movement deserves to die.

So you think individuals in a protest can legally use physical force to block other individuals from participating? Really?

vernonFL: [t3.gstatic.com image 240x192]

These guys can't even occupy a bathtub.



At least not without a marmot.

/yeah I know they're nihilists.

nekom: Because it doesn't really matter? As long as no one else gave them material support or was aware of the plot, all they have in common is that they share a common cause. A cause that is perfectly legal to pursue through protest and other political means. Is there anyone out there who doesn't realize that left wing and right wing terrorists both exist as well as the religious zealots? There's nothing new here.

My thoughts exactly. It's like blaming NSM for the mass shooting in Arizona yesterday. JT Ready was a White Supremacist and a member of NSM, but that doesn't mean that THEY told him to shoot 4 people and then kill himself. Of course NewsBusters just wants the link to be made so that they can loop the thing back around and blame it all on Obama.

Geotpf: Seriously, what the fark is the point of the Occupy protests? They seem to be protesting for the sake of protesting, intentionally avoiding any specific, tangible point or cause.



/If I can respond to a talking point with a comic strip, then that talking point has lost its edge.
//I'm not even a fan of OWS, I'm just against fascism and police statism.

moops: The "Black Bloc" shows up at Occupy Portland and Seattle events, destroying shiat, smashing glass windows/doors, starting fires, attacking police, and disrupting traffic. Occupy claims they are not affiliated with the Occupy Movement, but they've been showing up at most Occupy events since October.

That's why I'm done with this movement, and want to see them go away. If you can't demonstrate good behavior among their own, you let the lowest denominator define your entire movement.

Occupy gives progressives and liberals a bad name. Go away.

On the contrary, we need more of this. When OWS first appeared the banksters and the plutocrats were shiatting their pants in terror at the thought of a genuine popular uprising. When the Occupiers meekly allowed themselves to be expelled from their various sites the one percenters gave a huge sigh of relief--their opponents were just a bunch of pussies after all. The expulsions should have been met with riots, both active and passive resistance. The occasional moltov cocktail wouldn't have hurt either. In order to win, the Occupiers need to show a willingness to die for their cause--or to kill for it, just like in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya. Otherwise they are just a bunch of dirty hippies.

I hope this turn out to be the summer of widespread civil disobedience, of bricks through BoA windows and smashed windshields on luxury cars. Ultimately, the wealthy need to afraid to show their faces in public. And the poor need to be unafraid of going to jail or getting beaten by the cops. That's how you wage a successful revolution, not wiggling your fingers and recycling peanut butter jars.

Pocket Ninja: What's truly scary about this is how deep you have to go to really uncover this conspiracy.

There is a reason I settle in with a fresh cup of coffee when I see that particular shade of blue.

Pocket Ninja: What's truly scary about this is how deep you have to go to really uncover this conspiracy. I know many of you haven't spent the decades I have perfecting your understanding of the science of numerology, and might have only applied a very casual number-based study to this incident and the nefarious truths it exposes. But my research goes deeper.

We'll start basic, with the word "OCCUPY". Number equivalents: O=7, C=3 (X2), U=6, P=8, Y=1. Total=28.

A meaningless number in this context. BUT! But, always a but. Add 2 and 8, you get 10. And who was the 10th president of the United States?

That's right, John Tyler.

Before we get to John Tyler, though, remember this crucial fact--numerology is only ever as accurate as the language it is decoding. The name of the actual movement is not "Occupy," but rather, "Occupy Wall Street." This is one of the ways they've escaped detection as long as they have--by popularizing a shorthand version of their name. Let's add in WALL (6+1+3+3=13) and STREET (3+4+2+5+5+4=23) and bring the total weight of the term to 64.

You will note, of course, that 6+4=10. Which brings us right back, once again, to John Tyler.

Here's the equation for John Tyler's name: 4+1+3+5+2+1+7+5+5=33. And I know what you're doing now. You're looking at the first number, 64, and this number 33, and thinking: that's farking meaningless. Why the fark are you wasting my name, Pocket Ninja?

BUT YOU'RE FORGETTING ONE CRUCIAL THING: John Tyler had no middle name.

I'm farking serious about this. Look it up. The man had no middle name. And here's another reason this connection has so long escaped us: many scientists attempting a numerological reading simply saw no middle initial and said, "what the heck, guess there's no number." But a "no alphabet" result in true numerology always get a weight of 9. That's right...the numerological significance of John Tyler's name is NOT 33, it's 42.

Now are you starting to see? Take 42 and subtract it from our original number, 64 ...

Just shut the entire internet down. Thanks to Pocket Ninja, there is nothing left worth seeing.

You MOST magnificent bastard.

skullkrusher: and the award for the kid who's obviously too young to be posting on the internet without adult supervision goes to you!

I agree. You should have to be older than me--I'm 55--in order to be allowed to post on the Internet. But thanks! That was better for my ego than being carded in a liquor store.

Jackson Herring: Mikey1969: JT Ready

By the way why is there no thread about that story?

Good question... I'll submit it, but it probably won't get greenlit, presumably my headlines aren't catchy enough?

nekom: Because it doesn't really matter? As long as no one else gave them material support or was aware of the plot, all they have in common is that they share a common cause. A cause that is perfectly legal to pursue through protest and other political means. Is there anyone out there who doesn't realize that left wing and right wing terrorists both exist as well as the religious zealots? There's nothing new here.

Hell, the only party that gave them any kind of material support and direction was the FBI informant.

If someone is able to get explosives (or "explosives", as it were), that person is a government informant or agent.

Because the connection is flimsy at best. Being a member of a group does not mean that the entire group is behind whatever fool decision you make.

nekom: Because it doesn't really matter?

Oh I'm SURE it wouldn't matter at all to MSNBC or Fark liberals if it had been Tea Party members who did it.

Aarontology: Because nobody cares what homeless people do.

See above.

sigdiamond2000: Why does the mainstream MSM media refuse to mention OWS sooner than the third paragraph even though right-wing bloggers want them to?

If Tea Party members had done this it would be THE STORY for the next month. Fark liberals would ceaselessly and endlessly scream about it. They were already calling the Tea Party 'terrorists' when all of their rallies were completely peaceful and largely without incident. In the meantime we've had to hear the lamenting about how "badly" the good peaceful OWS people are being treated for doing nothing wrong... Except rioting, vandalism, spreading disease, and a laundry list of other problems.

Now we have actual terrorists and they are owned completely and wholely by a left wing movement called OWS. I do hope you're so very proud of what your movement produced because if we're going to stretch reality and common sense to try and pin the Gabriel Giffords shooting on... Sarah Palin... Or 'right wing hate', or the Tea Party... Then it should be no problem at all to make the simple and direct link between OWS rhetoric and an attempt at actual domestic terrorism.

NO amount of 'only loosely associated with the Tea party' would be enough for Liberals, they would declare this as proof positive that the Tea Party inspires terrorism but because it was inspired by OWS, they're silent. Good job.

skullkrusher: clambam: skullkrusher: and the award for the kid who's obviously too young to be posting on the internet without adult supervision goes to you!

I agree. You should have to be older than me--I'm 55--in order to be allowed to post on the Internet. But thanks! That was better for my ego than being carded in a liquor store.

I am sure you don't look young. You sound like you could be 14 though.

Wow, you sure showed me! I bow to your superior condescension skills--you must be a repub.

imontheinternet: Pocket Ninja: That's right, John Tyler.

But what about Tippecanoe?

Wasn't Tippecanoe the woman who was trying to get warning labels on rock and or roll albums with obscene lyrics?

T-Servo: Because anarchists are crap at coordinated actions?

It's kinda their thing and all

skullkrusher: clambam: skullkrusher: clambam: skullkrusher: and the award for the kid who's obviously too young to be posting on the internet without adult supervision goes to you!

I agree. You should have to be older than me--I'm 55--in order to be allowed to post on the Internet. But thanks! That was better for my ego than being carded in a liquor store.

I am sure you don't look young. You sound like you could be 14 though.

Wow, you sure showed me! I bow to your superior condescension skills--you must be a repub.

sorry, man. You showed yourself. Smashing the windows of "luxury cars"? Yeah, you sound like an adult.

Hey, better smashing the windows of luxury cars than pulling rich guys into dark alleys and beating the crap out of them. Don't think it will happen? Watch.

Keep in mind, I lived through the 60's and 70's. The situation now is worse by far than anything I've seen in my lifetime. But you just keep congratulating yourself on how much better and smarter you are than other people. I will cheerfully attend your funeral.

skullkrusher: The My Little Pony Killer: Because the connection is flimsy at best. Being a member of a group does not mean that the entire group is behind whatever fool decision you make.

Occupy Cleveland has made it clear that they in no way support the actions of these would-be terrorists. Good for them. OWS is not behind the attempted attack. The attempted attackers were involved in OWS, however.

They also stated that they dismissed the OWS movement as not being on par with their violent and anarchistic views.

skullkrusher: hehe, u troll good.

Nice knowing you.