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(AP)   Russia threatens to preemptively strike NATO missile defense sites if NATO does not agree to their demands   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 73
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2012-05-03 09:00:29 AM
Well, hell, now the US has even better reason to ramp up its defenses.
 
2012-05-03 09:08:15 AM
FTA: President Dmitry Medvedev said last year that Russia will retaliate militarily if it does not reach an agreement with the United States and NATO on the controversial missile defense system.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. But then, this is a shallow sentiment coming from U.S. of A.

I do love a good saber rattle, though. Russia always knows how to do it, just the way I like it. Gives me nostalgic chills from when I was young during the 80's.
 
2012-05-03 09:38:21 AM
FTA: MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia's top military officer has threatened to deal a pre-emptive strike on U.S.-led NATO missile defense
 
2012-05-03 09:41:28 AM
Their demands: One MILLION Dollars.


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2012-05-03 09:45:18 AM
Look out Alaska, Putin might be rearing his head!
 
2012-05-03 09:46:12 AM
FTA

:Russia's top military officer has threatened to deal a pre-emptive strike on U.S.-led NATO missile defense facilities in Eastern Europe if Washington goes ahead with its controversial missile defense plan.

President Dmitry Medvedev said last year that Russia will retaliate militarily if it does not reach an agreement with the United States and NATO on the controversial missile defense system.


I always love a good pre-emptive retaliatory strike!
 
2012-05-03 09:46:40 AM
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Wolverines!
 
2012-05-03 09:46:44 AM
Were they planning to use missiles to launch their preemptive strike? Because if so... I may have found a problem with their plan. Or conversely... if their plan is successful, then we may have found a problem with our missile defense technology which should alleviate a lot of their concerns.
 
2012-05-03 09:47:53 AM
TFA McCain said using missile defense as "excuse to have a military buildup in this part of the world, which is at peace, is really an egregious example of what might be even viewed as paranoia on the part of Vladimir Putin the US."

Ah..or was spending money on bases there part of the bribery package to get "New Europe"'s support for Iraq? I don't remember exactly.
 
2012-05-03 09:51:55 AM
I swear to God if these jackoffs start another cold war...
 
2012-05-03 09:53:37 AM
Won't the ABL protect the missile defenses.

/still waiting for the hush bomb developement.
 
2012-05-03 09:54:19 AM

Cythraul: FTA: President Dmitry Medvedev said last year that Russia will retaliate militarily if it does not reach an agreement with the United States and NATO on the controversial missile defense system.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. But then, this is a shallow sentiment coming from U.S. of A.

I do love a good saber rattle, though. Russia always knows how to do it, just the way I like it. Gives me nostalgic chills from when I was young during the 80's.


This, and it is an election year .
 
2012-05-03 09:54:35 AM
Do our missile defense system even work? Or will this be another trillion dollar fark up.
 
2012-05-03 09:56:18 AM
Seems like things are escalating...

Russia threatened to bomb Alaska and take away America's greatest national treasure... Sarah Palin.

Barack Obama responded, "Bring it."
 
2012-05-03 09:56:44 AM
All right which Republican asshole bribed the farking Russians?
 
2012-05-03 09:57:36 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Do our missile defense system even work? Or will this be another trillion 70 billion dollar fark up.

FTFM
 
2012-05-03 09:59:52 AM
Russia does understand that just because they're sitting on warehouses full of rusting 1970s era military equipment, they're not a super power right?
 
2012-05-03 09:59:58 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Do our missile defense system even work? Or will this be another trillion dollar fark up.


Depends on what you mean by work. Shoot enough shiat into the air and you are bound to hit something. Our short range interceptors have an acceptable kill ratio, somewhere in the 60-70%, our long range interceptors can only hit shiat that have radio beacons on them to guide them in, and that is only every 2 out of 5 times.
 
2012-05-03 10:00:27 AM

seniorgato: I swear to God if these jackoffs start another cold war...


If? They've had an old KGB cronie at the helm for 8 out of the last 12 years and he's coming back next month. He even was part of the KGB's attempted coup against Gorbachev for his reforms in 1990. So he was a hard liner Soviet.

There's a reason the saber rattling has been getting louder in the last decade...
 
2012-05-03 10:04:30 AM
Russia is like a nasty big junkyard dog with syphilis, heart worms, and fleas. Dangerous but diseased. Big and strong but stupid and slow.
 
2012-05-03 10:06:15 AM
How do you preemptively strike what is purely a defensive program?
 
2012-05-03 10:07:13 AM
Russia, we're just not that into you any more.
 
2012-05-03 10:08:16 AM
I dont know why we put all this effort into West vs East bullshiat.

If we really want to be actively influencing other nations, might as well just focus on undermining Chinese/Russian relations and things like that.
 
2012-05-03 10:08:20 AM
Meh, our Cold War was better. We had a 3rd rate actor as president and Andropov was a paranoid lunatic.
 
2012-05-03 10:08:32 AM
That's cute. Russia never was and never will be as scary as they make themselves out to be let alone how American politicians portray them. Russians are great people but they are cursed by a seemingly never ending series of corrupt governments and inept leaders.
 
2012-05-03 10:10:05 AM
I don't really understand Russia's position on this. Being opposed to having your neighbors' building of a missile defense is kind of backhandedly admitting you are planning to use missiles against them. That's like saying that I oppose my neighbor buying locks for his windows because I was planning to rob them.

If it's not that then it's this: I don't want my potential enemy to have an unassailable defense because if they attack me, I need to attack them back. Since when did Poland and company want to attack Russia? Nobody wants to f*ck with Russia. The U.S. and all of NATO could not do more to Russia than the Hitler or Napoleon did and at greater cost with no profit. We have no reason to attack them and Europe is sick of European wars.

Russia, they are building a defense system because they don't want to fight you, not because they do. Good fences and all that.
 
2012-05-03 10:10:31 AM
My first thoughts at the headline were the Orly/Ya rly owls.

Seems my cold war fear of the pinko commies is gone.
 
2012-05-03 10:13:29 AM

publikenemy: Russia is like a nasty big junkyard dog with syphilis, heart worms, and fleas. Dangerous but diseased. Big and strong but stupid and slow.


Sadly, this is more the result of you being raised with propagandist crap. While it is true that the west has an absurd advantage in respect to owned assets and military supply, the russians arent stupid and they do have some advanced technologies, even beyond the West in some areas.

Study the real advances of their science and space programs some time, you will see that they arent as "stupid and slow" as you might think. They just have a lower budget.
 
2012-05-03 10:24:28 AM
You say "stupid and slow". I say "proud and calculating."

Your phrase does, admittedly, look slightly better on a shirt, though.
 
2012-05-03 10:24:46 AM
If Russia really wanted to f*ck with the US, they'd close off their space program to us, since the Greatest Nation on Earthtm has no way to put astronauts in space. We'd be up Shiat Creek without a paddle then. I'm surprised Russia doesn't use that as a bargaining chip more often - or maybe they do, and we just don't hear about it.
 
2012-05-03 10:26:18 AM

Egoy3k: ...but they are cursed by a seemingly never ending series of corrupt governments and inept leaders.


aww, that's not entirely true; they've had a long line of leaders that have been extremely successful in making themselves rich and killing the Russian people.
 
2012-05-03 10:28:02 AM

McManus_brothers: If Russia really wanted to f*ck with the US, they'd close off their space program to us, since the Greatest Nation on Earthtm has no way to put astronauts in space. We'd be up Shiat Creek without a paddle then. I'm surprised Russia doesn't use that as a bargaining chip more often - or maybe they do, and we just don't hear about it.


The assumption you've made based on past behavior is that the US needs to get men into space. If it did, it would have a way to do that on its own.
 
2012-05-03 10:28:15 AM
They'll put a 10% tax on their natural gas exports to any European country hosting the missile defense sites.

And thereby win in a week
 
2012-05-03 10:28:45 AM

MadMattressMack: seniorgato: I swear to God if these jackoffs start another cold war...

If? They've had an old KGB cronie at the helm for 8 12 out of the last 12 years and he's coming back next month. He even was part of the KGB's attempted coup against Gorbachev for his reforms in 1990. So he was a hard liner Soviet.

There's a reason the saber rattling has been getting louder in the last decade...

 
2012-05-03 10:30:52 AM

McManus_brothers: If Russia really wanted to f*ck with the US, they'd close off their space program to us, since the Greatest Nation on Earthtm has no way to put astronauts in space. We'd be up Shiat Creek without a paddle then. I'm surprised Russia doesn't use that as a bargaining chip more often - or maybe they do, and we just don't hear about it.


In reality, what the Russians said regarding missile defense was likely targeted for their domestic audience. Trying to prove they still have their balls or something.
 
2012-05-03 10:31:12 AM
FTA: President Dmitry Medvedev said last year that Russia will retaliate militarily if it does not reach an agreement with the United States and NATO on the controversial missile defense system.

Kremlin, Last night
..Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about retaliation. retaliation for US. I will transmit this information...
 
2012-05-03 10:32:44 AM
DOOOOOO EEEEIIIIITTTTT!


Honestly, the days of Soviet Cold War posturing are over. Either fish or cut bait. We've demonstrated that we're quite willing to employ military force to achieve our ends, regardless of what those ends actually are, so having Russia hand us a reason to wipe the country from the face of the earth would be like an election-day gift for Obama.
 
2012-05-03 10:33:12 AM
Has the Kremlim been discussing tactics with Best Korea's leader?
 
2012-05-03 10:34:34 AM

FormlessOne: DOOOOOO EEEEIIIIITTTTT!

Honestly, the days of Soviet Cold War posturing are over. Either fish or cut bait. We've demonstrated that we're quite willing to employ military force to achieve our ends, regardless of what those ends actually are, so having Russia hand us a reason to wipe the country from the face of the earth would be like an election-day gift for Obama.


I'm pretty sure mutually assured destruction would prevent us from ever directly harming Russia.
 
2012-05-03 10:34:56 AM
Maybe we should replace missile launchers with blue jean launchers. That seemed to take care of the Red Army the last time.
 
2012-05-03 10:36:06 AM

Alonjar: publikenemy: Russia is like a nasty big junkyard dog with syphilis, heart worms, and fleas. Dangerous but diseased. Big and strong but stupid and slow.

Sadly, this is more the result of you being raised with propagandist crap. While it is true that the west has an absurd advantage in respect to owned assets and military supply, the russians arent stupid and they do have some advanced technologies, even beyond the West in some areas.

Study the real advances of their science and space programs some time, you will see that they arent as "stupid and slow" as you might think. They just have a lower budget.


Their missiles and air capability leave them lagging behind world-class powers. Russian soldiers rode into battle against Georgia perched on top of their armored personnel carriers, not out of bravado but because a flaw in their amour can make it more dangerous to travel inside.

The Russian commander of the operation in Georgia in 08 was wounded..a freakin commander. That's like a general being wounded in the U.S...

Analysts said Russia failed to destroy Georgia's anti-aircraft systems fast enough, probably because they did not have the aerial reconnaissance to establish where they were. Consequences included aircraft being shot down. Including one Tupolev-22 long range supersonic bomber.

They are formidable no doubt, and it was an obvious exaggeration when I called Russia weak and diseased, but they are not top-notch..oh and they are morally bankrupt. They have a bad habit of raping and pillaging.
 
2012-05-03 10:37:44 AM
 
2012-05-03 10:44:27 AM
The Obama administration tried to ease tensions with Russia in 2009 by saying it would revamp an earlier Bush-era plan to emphasize shorter-range interceptors. Russia initially welcomed that move, but has more recently suggested the new interceptors could threaten its missiles as the U.S. interceptors are upgraded.

That's kind of the entire point, Yakov. You're actually suggesting that we deploy defense missiles that we deliberately design to be incapable of defending against missiles? How about no.
 
2012-05-03 10:47:00 AM
"The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 2012. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug. "
 
2012-05-03 11:04:38 AM

Rapmaster2000: McManus_brothers: If Russia really wanted to f*ck with the US, they'd close off their space program to us, since the Greatest Nation on Earthtm has no way to put astronauts in space. We'd be up Shiat Creek without a paddle then. I'm surprised Russia doesn't use that as a bargaining chip more often - or maybe they do, and we just don't hear about it.

The assumption you've made based on past behavior is that the US needs to get men into space. If it did, it would have a way to do that on its own.


Considering the US contributes quite a bit of the manpower and upkeep of the ISS, I'd say we do need to get men into space. We could say "screw it, we don't need to go into space" until we develop something to replace the shuttle, I suppose.


ha-ha-guy: McManus_brothers: If Russia really wanted to f*ck with the US, they'd close off their space program to us, since the Greatest Nation on Earthtm has no way to put astronauts in space. We'd be up Shiat Creek without a paddle then. I'm surprised Russia doesn't use that as a bargaining chip more often - or maybe they do, and we just don't hear about it.

In reality, what the Russians said regarding missile defense was likely targeted for their domestic audience. Trying to prove they still have their balls or something.


Oh I know it's domestic sabre-rattling, just saying.


Mentat: Maybe we should replace missile launchers with blue jean launchers. That seemed to take care of the Red Army the last time.


I once read a great alternate history about NATO launching a first strike on Warsaw Pact forces. NATO's initial move was to airdrop and rocket-launch massive amounts of high-quality liquor behind enemy lines, wait a few hours, and then roll in. By the time the Soviets sobered up and realized what had happened, NATO was hundreds of miles into Poland.
 
2012-05-03 11:13:47 AM
This is where Obama secretly withdraws the ABM system then DARES Russia to nuke the EU.
 
2012-05-03 11:17:34 AM

cgraves67: I don't really understand Russia's position on this. Being opposed to having your neighbors' building of a missile defense is kind of backhandedly admitting you are planning to use missiles against them. That's like saying that I oppose my neighbor buying locks for his windows because I was planning to rob them.


Ok, it's like this.

For decades, the U.S. - Russian nuclear relationship has existed on the basis of what's called "Mutually Assured Destruction" (MAD), that is, that if one party attempts to nuke the other, the other party will always have enough left over to destroy the aggressor. That's been in place for decades and has been both incredibly stable and increasingly a non-story.

Both sides recognized early on that missile defense systems threaten that stability because once one side has a working missile shield, it can decide to nuke the other without fear of getting nuked back. Thus, a purely "defensive" system allows a country to take the offense. That's why the Soviets and the U.S. had something called the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) treaty in place, which barred the development of missile shield systems.

In addition, it's generally well accepted that in any period of time where relative capabilities are shifting, relationships becomes extremely unstable (the classic example is the relative military strengths of Germany and Russia before WW1 - the Ruskies were recuperating from getting beat the crap out of by the Japanese a decade ago, and the Germans knew that if a war wasn't fought soon, it wouldn't be winnable). That's why nuclear arms reductions treaties are negotiated with such care, so as to preserve a delicate balance of capabilities.

Now, Bush Jr. scrubbed the ABM after taking office, annoying the hell out of a lot of Cold War veterans on both sides of the aisle. The Eastern European system that is being built is supposed to stop Iran from lobbing a few ICBMs or MRBMs the way of Europe... or that's what the U.S. claims.

The Russians are concerned that the system will eventually be built up to a stage in increments where it undermines MAD and the U.S. is then in a position to nuke Russia out of the blue without fear of retaliation.

On the one hand, that seems unlikely given that Russia still can fire eastwards from Siberia and from its nuke-launching submarines. On the other hand, remember that the hypothetical situation under which Russia is operating is that the U.S. has already launched its nukes, laying waste to perhaps 90% of Russia's arsenal. The presumption is that the remaining 10% is enough to deter. So the effects of the missile defense system could possibly be a lot bigger than it seems when you compare its capabilities with Russia's total arsenal.

As mentioned in TFA, the Russians want joint control over the missile shield. The U.S. doesn't want that, and the Russians take this as a sign that the shield isn't actually turned towards Tehran. For them, that's bad faith. Critics of the European shield argue that the added tension with Russia isn't worth the security benefits w/r/t Iran since presumably Iran can be deterred through MAD in the same way Russia can.
 
2012-05-03 11:27:32 AM
They just jumped the gun.
Maybe the Russians don't think that Obama is going to be re-elected so he can't make good on the deal he promised them when he though the mics were off.
 
2012-05-03 11:28:11 AM
How's that "reset" working out for you, State Department?
 
2012-05-03 11:28:37 AM
Just for that, we should double the missiles on site, and configure them so they look like all the sites are flipping the bird towards Russia.
 
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