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(The Week)   Defintion of "Non-story": Media: Elizabeth Warren falsely claimed to be Native American. Campaign: actually She's 1/32 Cherokee. Media: Well, that's not Indian ENOUGH. Indians: That's the same as the Cherokee Chief   (theweek.com) divider line 153
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2012-05-03 01:44:16 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: From the Boston Herald:
"genealogists at the New England Historic Genealogical Society were unable to back up earlier accounts that her great great great grandmother is Cherokee. While Warren's great great great grandmother, named O.C. Sarah Smith, is listed on a electronic transcript of a 1894 marriage application as Cherokee, the genealogists are unable to find the actual record or a photograhic copy of it, Society spokesman Tom Champoux said. A copy of the marriage license itself has been located, but unlike the application, it does not list Smith's ethnicity."


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2012-05-03 01:50:56 PM

Talondel: I think the "stink" being raised isn't that she claimed to be 1/32 native when she looks white. It's that she claimed to be 1/32 native either her own advantage or for the advantage of her employer under AALS affirmative action guidelines. Then later dropped the claim when it was no longer beneficial. Warren is obviously not the person that affirmative action for Native Americans was intended to benefit. So if she or her employer did in fact benefit from that classification that would have been improper.

There's little evidence that Warren benefited from the classification. She had more than sufficient qualifications to be hired at Harvard regardless of her minority status. But it seems likely that her prior employers did benefit in AALS rankings by listing Warren as a minority when she should not have been. Warren claims she didn't know she was being counted as a minority, but that raises the question of how her employers learned of alleged minority status if not from her.


I want you to re-write this post, this time recalling that Warren actually is 1/32 Native American. To help you, I have bolded the part of your post where Warren may have lied. Every time Warren said she was NOT 1/32 Native American she lied.

Also in re-writing your post I want you to clarify who exactly Affirmative Action is intended to be for? Is skin color the only relevant thing? Doesn't matter what percent of a minority you are, if you're half black but have light skin it doesn't count, or what?
 
2012-05-03 01:51:31 PM

Talondel: I think the "stink" being raised isn't that she claimed to be 1/32 native when she looks white. It's that she claimed to be 1/32 native either her own advantage or for the advantage of her employer under AALS affirmative action guidelines. Then later dropped the claim when it was no longer beneficial. Warren is obviously not the person that affirmative action for Native Americans was intended to benefit. So if she or her employer did in fact benefit from that classification that would have been improper.

There's little evidence that Warren benefited from the classification. She had more than sufficient qualifications to be hired at Harvard regardless of her minority status. But it seems likely that her prior employers did benefit in AALS rankings by listing Warren as a minority when she should not have been, [According to unsubstantiated right wing whargarrbl].


FTFY
 
2012-05-03 01:53:51 PM

theorellior: bdub77: "When the dirty blonde hair is...well it is kind of a greyish blonde...when she is dead, Magua will eat her heart. Before she dies, Magua will put her children under the knife, so the greyish dirty blonde hair will know her children have facelift scars and breast implants and self-esteem issues. Then he will lobby against financial reform, so the...whatever haired woman knows she could not stop the inevitable collapse of the financial system."

LOL.

dittybopper, are you gonna take this lying down?


img511.imageshack.us

Magua understands that the white man is a dog to his women.
 
2012-05-03 01:56:23 PM

fillahbuster: Things white people like: claiming to be part Indian.


Well, as far as I know, I have 0% Native American blood. I got *SOME* of the skillz, though:

i56.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-03 01:56:29 PM

Talondel: I think the "stink" being raised isn't that she claimed to be 1/32 native when she looks white. It's that she claimed to be 1/32 native either her own advantage or for the advantage of her employer under AALS affirmative action guidelines.


I'd say the "REAL" problem is that she might beat Scott Brown. If it wasn't for that, no one would care.
 
2012-05-03 02:10:20 PM
Very much a non-story but I do find it odd that her middle name is "Glock".
 
2012-05-03 02:26:11 PM

beerrun: [www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]
She thinks I'm some kind of Cherokee chief.


What an authentic native American may not look like:
joshuamarquis.com
 
2012-05-03 02:41:47 PM

bullwrinkle: Very much a non-story but I do find it odd that her middle name is "Glock".


That's not her middle name, that's her street name.

Stanley "Tookie" Williams
Elizabeth "Glock" Warren
Kody "Monster" Scott
 
2012-05-03 02:51:56 PM
1/32 for the Cherokee Chief? That can't be right. I think you have to have more blood than that to own property in Cherokee NC.

If true, then that is weak. My Grandmother is from Bryson City and loved telling about the white guy that "married a squaw so he could own a shop in town". If you only need 1/32 to be Chief that kind of blows that story out of the water.
 
2012-05-03 02:56:05 PM

Flab: kronicfeld: Jake Havechek: Michael Scott: Two fifteenths.

Oscar: Two fifteenths, that fraction doesn't make any sense.

If you go back enough generations, you can make it work, but I don't have the patience to actually do the math.

2/15 = 0.13333333333333333333333333333333333

1/8 +1/128 = 0.1328125. Close enough if you use 3 decimal places.


The Great Floating Point Spirit wants to have a word with you.
 
2012-05-03 03:16:03 PM
According to racists, it wouldn't matter how small a portion of Elizabeth Warren's blood was Amerindian- after all, didn't they used to follow the "one drop rule" for Negroes, so that even a smidgen of black genetic code made a person fully black?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop . html

And now for some real trolling-

Charlize Theron, South African born white actress who migrated to America- would some people say SHE had a claim to be called Afro-American?
 
2012-05-03 03:27:26 PM

Walker: I'm 1/32 Martian, but like her you can't see it in me.


Your great-great-grand-mother was abducted?
 
2012-05-03 04:03:27 PM

Lurking Fear: It takes 1/16 or better to get any federal benefits of being native american though.

my daughter is 1/32 blackfoot.


If you apply and rejoin the tribe and get in, though, it's reset to 1/1, iirc. Then you can move out again and your kids can be 1/2 instead, I suppose.

You also have to be a member of a recognized tribe that kept the terms of its resettlement treaty, there are loads of families with a lot more than 1/16 Apache blood, for instance, that just kind of went somewhere else and resettled instead of making the trek west, and they're not counted as native blood by the government in benefits terms. Not to mention like 90% of the northeastern tribes, which just kinda shrugged and disappeared into the general population as citizens instead of getting into shooting wars and getting chased out.

//Well, there was the French + Indian war, so I guess I should say "didn't get into a continuous shooting war".
 
2012-05-03 04:34:02 PM
She doesn't look like Tonto but she does look like his trusty palamino "Scout". If she wins, that will be two horse-faced ethnic imposter 'rat senators from the same state. Could someone calculate the odds?
 
2012-05-03 05:14:21 PM
So in liberal fantasy land:

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
White

upload.wikimedia.org
Native American

/keep farking that chicken
 
2012-05-03 05:52:02 PM

MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:
[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White
[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American
/keep farking that chicken


Look at how stupid you are.
 
2012-05-03 05:59:01 PM
So I was in Vietnam watching TV with my friend and they had some NatGeo about Ecuador and he couldn't believe how much the Ecuadorian people looked likeVietnamese and I explained how the indigenous people of the Americas came from Asia over the ice age land bridge and how on one level they were as Asian as he is.
 
2012-05-03 06:04:37 PM
Huh... and here I was thinking 1/16th wasn't really enough to claim much in the way of blood heritage.

/Euromutt + Cherokee & Ojibwa
 
2012-05-03 06:13:43 PM

JohnnyC: Huh... and here I was thinking 1/16th wasn't really enough to claim much in the way of blood heritage.

/Euromutt + Cherokee & Ojibwa


1/16th? I like the cut of your Ojibwa.
 
2012-05-03 06:14:04 PM

phritz: MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:
[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White
[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American
/keep farking that chicken

Look at how stupid you are.


Way to refute it. Just admit that liberals have different standards when it comes to other liberals. Her great great great grandfather may or may not have been Native American (we've yet to see documented proof) and she used it to either get preferential treatment in hiring or so Harvard toot their horn about minority hires or both and libs see no problem with that. If it was a blonde haired blue eyed conservative trying to excuse over a decade of claiming minority status by saying they may or may not be 1/32 Native American after a week of lying about it you same libs would have your pitchforks out.

Now she says she only claimed Native American heritage on a directory of lawyers because she thought it might help her get in touch with others who share her "tribal roots". That's horse shiat and any honest person knows it. I'm sure there are plenty of better ways for her to get in touch with people who share her supposed "tribal roots" than checking a box on some directory. Also did she all of the sudden quit being interested in meeting people with common tribal roots after landing her cushy position at Harvard? If not then why did she quit claiming Native American heritage on that same directory?

She does deserve some major liberal points thought for how fast she played the Scott Brown only brought this up because I'm a woman and he hates women card. She needs to go try and be some sort of poor oppressed minority victim somewhere else.
 
2012-05-03 06:25:30 PM
Oklahoma-born? I'm surprised it's only 1/32nd.

/Most "white" Americans with families that have been here a while have around that proportion of native blood. There have been studies.
//I don't know if this will actually sway a single voter. Aren't there more important things to care about?
 
2012-05-03 06:27:38 PM

Snarfangel: 1/16th? I like the cut of your Ojibwa.


Haha! Awesome :)

About the only thing I notice from it is extremely straight hair, I tan easily, and I couldn't grow much in the way of facial hair until I was about 34.
 
2012-05-03 07:33:56 PM

wisewerds: Abolish all native American tribes, treaties,and special benefits. Pay cash compensation. End the stupidity.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-05-03 07:36:24 PM

Talondel: I think the "stink" being raised isn't that she claimed to be 1/32 native when she looks white. It's that she claimed to be 1/32 native either her own advantage or for the advantage of her employer under AALS affirmative action guidelines. Then later dropped the claim when it was no longer beneficial. Warren is obviously not the person that affirmative action for Native Americans was intended to benefit. So if she or her employer did in fact benefit from that classification that would have been improper.

There's little evidence that Warren benefited from the classification. She had more than sufficient qualifications to be hired at Harvard regardless of her minority status. But it seems likely that her prior employers did benefit in AALS rankings by listing Warren as a minority when she should not have been. Warren claims she didn't know she was being counted as a minority, but that raises the question of how her employers learned of alleged minority status if not from her.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
all this, and more
 
2012-05-03 07:44:48 PM

MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American

/keep farking that chicken


Zimmerman is white because he listed himself as white. Hispanics can be of any race. He didn't choose red, he chose white. Therefore, he's white. Spanish white/Peruvian white, but white. Just not Anglo white.

That chick in the bottom photo ain't no damn Indian. She already got the AA benefits for being a white female, while pile it on with trying to add 'Indian'? That's just wrong. Meanwhile, the Cherokee Freedman are kicked out of the tribe and are denied all benefits of the tribe because their skin is dark. Bogus, bogus, and more bogus.
 
2012-05-03 07:46:59 PM

MoeSzyslak: phritz: MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:
[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White
[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American
/keep farking that chicken

Look at how stupid you are.

Way to refute it. Just admit that liberals have different standards when it comes to other liberals. Her great great great grandfather may or may not have been Native American (we've yet to see documented proof) and she used it to either get preferential treatment in hiring or so Harvard toot their horn about minority hires or both and libs see no problem with that. If it was a blonde haired blue eyed conservative trying to excuse over a decade of claiming minority status by saying they may or may not be 1/32 Native American after a week of lying about it you same libs would have your pitchforks out.

Now she says she only claimed Native American heritage on a directory of lawyers because she thought it might help her get in touch with others who share her "tribal roots". That's horse shiat and any honest person knows it. I'm sure there are plenty of better ways for her to get in touch with people who share her supposed "tribal roots" than checking a box on some directory. Also did she all of the sudden quit being interested in meeting people with common tribal roots after landing her cushy position at Harvard? If not then why did she quit claiming Native American heritage on that same directory?

She does deserve some major liberal points thought for how fast she played the Scott Brown only brought this up because I'm a woman and he hates women card. She needs to go try and be some sort of poor oppressed minority victim somewhere else.


End thread.
 
2012-05-03 08:49:17 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American

/keep farking that chicken

Zimmerman is white because he listed himself as white. Hispanics can be of any race. He didn't choose red, he chose white. Therefore, he's white. Spanish white/Peruvian white, but white. Just not Anglo white.

That chick in the bottom photo ain't no damn Indian. She already got the AA benefits for being a white female, while pile it on with trying to add 'Indian'? That's just wrong. Meanwhile, the Cherokee Freedman are kicked out of the tribe and are denied all benefits of the tribe because their skin is dark. Bogus, bogus, and more bogus.


Some cop listed Zimmerman as white. The only public document released where Zimmerman himself lists his own race is his 2004 voter registration card where he registered as a Hispanic Democrat. Now I'm pretty sure that in liberal ideology how one identifies themselves is more important than their outwardly appearance lest we open a can of worms about transsexuals and fake Native Americans. Not that it even matters in this case because Zimmerman's outward appearance is so Hispanic there be no reason to ever question it for reasons other than political.
 
2012-05-03 08:53:34 PM
Sorry if this is racist:

cdn.buzznet.com

/not really sorry
 
2012-05-03 09:02:43 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: MoeSzyslak: phritz: MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:
[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White
[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American
/keep farking that chicken

Look at how stupid you are.

Way to refute it. Just admit that liberals have different standards when it comes to other liberals. Her great great great grandfather may or may not have been Native American (we've yet to see documented proof) and she used it to either get preferential treatment in hiring or so Harvard toot their horn about minority hires or both and libs see no problem with that. If it was a blonde haired blue eyed conservative trying to excuse over a decade of claiming minority status by saying they may or may not be 1/32 Native American after a week of lying about it you same libs would have your pitchforks out.

Now she says she only claimed Native American heritage on a directory of lawyers because she thought it might help her get in touch with others who share her "tribal roots". That's horse shiat and any honest person knows it. I'm sure there are plenty of better ways for her to get in touch with people who share her supposed "tribal roots" than checking a box on some directory. Also did she all of the sudden quit being interested in meeting people with common tribal roots after landing her cushy position at Harvard? If not then why did she quit claiming Native American heritage on that same directory?

She does deserve some major liberal points thought for how fast she played the Scott Brown only brought this up because I'm a woman and he hates women card. She needs to go try and be some sort of poor oppressed minority victim somewhere else.

End thread.


[citationneeded]

Both of you are dumber than a bag of blonde hair.

Your attempts to manufacture outrage over literally nothing here are hilarious.

Warren told the school honestly what her heritage was and they used it to pad their diversity hires and then dropped it later when they didn't need to do so as much.

At no point in that story does Warren do anything even remotely untoward.

The only real story here is how the RW media lies all the freaking time because if they ever told the truth nobody would ever vote for them again.
 
2012-05-03 09:32:51 PM
MoeSzyslak:
[zimmerman.jpg]
White

Latinos are a mix of European Spanish and Native Central/South American/Caribbean ethnic origins. Zimmerman was also half actual European White. So yeah, he and the media can call him white. You also ignore the fact that THEY BOTH CALL THEMSELVES WHITE, so your argument is pretty retarded, as one would expect.
 
2012-05-03 09:47:52 PM

quatchi: ExperianScaresCthulhu: MoeSzyslak: phritz: MoeSzyslak: So in liberal fantasy land:
[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]
White
[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x267]
Native American
/keep farking that chicken

Look at how stupid you are.

Way to refute it. Just admit that liberals have different standards when it comes to other liberals. Her great great great grandfather may or may not have been Native American (we've yet to see documented proof) and she used it to either get preferential treatment in hiring or so Harvard toot their horn about minority hires or both and libs see no problem with that. If it was a blonde haired blue eyed conservative trying to excuse over a decade of claiming minority status by saying they may or may not be 1/32 Native American after a week of lying about it you same libs would have your pitchforks out.

Now she says she only claimed Native American heritage on a directory of lawyers because she thought it might help her get in touch with others who share her "tribal roots". That's horse shiat and any honest person knows it. I'm sure there are plenty of better ways for her to get in touch with people who share her supposed "tribal roots" than checking a box on some directory. Also did she all of the sudden quit being interested in meeting people with common tribal roots after landing her cushy position at Harvard? If not then why did she quit claiming Native American heritage on that same directory?

She does deserve some major liberal points thought for how fast she played the Scott Brown only brought this up because I'm a woman and he hates women card. She needs to go try and be some sort of poor oppressed minority victim somewhere else.

End thread.

[citationneeded]

Both of you are dumber than a bag of blonde hair.

Your attempts to manufacture outrage over literally nothing here are hilarious.

Warren told the school honestly what her heritage was and they used it to pad their diversity hires and then dropped it later wh ...


I never claimed to be outraged. I don't live in Massachusetts and couldn't care less about this race. All I was saying is that her supposed minority status (hasn't been proven yet) was used for gain by either her, Harvard, or both which is wrong and liberals don't seem to care yet if it where a conservative in an identical position the lefty moon bats in congress would probably try and pass a resolution condemning it. I just find it funny when liberal's identity politics and victim status worship bite them in the ass is all.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to express my deepest sympathies to Ms. Warren for all of the prejudice, hate, and bigotry not to mention the denied opportunities she must have had to endure growing up as a Native American in this white privileged society. No amount of money or preferential treatment could ever truly repay you for the hardships the white man has caused you. But seeing someone like you who was dealt such a tough lot in life by no choice of your own not only prosper but reach such great heights should stand as a shining example to us all that just because you were born with blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't mean that you are incapable of reaching for the stars and achieving greatness in this white man's world. You're a true hero to us all.
 
2012-05-03 09:50:42 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: MoeSzyslak:
[zimmerman.jpg]
White

Latinos are a mix of European Spanish and Native Central/South American/Caribbean ethnic origins. Zimmerman was also half actual European White. So yeah, he and the media can call him white. You also ignore the fact that THEY BOTH CALL THEMSELVES WHITE, so your argument is pretty retarded, as one would expect.


The bigger point to me is I don't give a f*ck what his race is. He hunted down, harassed, and killed a an unarmed kid conducting legitimate business.
 
2012-05-03 10:00:47 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: MoeSzyslak:
[zimmerman.jpg]
White

Latinos are a mix of European Spanish and Native Central/South American/Caribbean ethnic origins. Zimmerman was also half actual European White. So yeah, he and the media can call him white. You also ignore the fact that THEY BOTH CALL THEMSELVES WHITE, so your argument is pretty retarded, as one would expect.


Zimmerman self identifies as Hispanic not white. It was a cop who listed him as white in the police report. You can also bet your last dollar that if Zimmerman had accomplished something great like a perfect SAT score these same media outlets that blew the dust off the term White Hispanic to apply it to him would be jumping all over themselves pointing out the achievement of this Hispanic person.

www.jookos.com
 
2012-05-03 10:16:23 PM

junkmetal: Meh, here in Okla, there are lots of white Native Americans.

/the wife's great grandmother was full blood Cherokee


Yeah, right.
 
2012-05-03 10:20:54 PM

fillahbuster: Things white people like: claiming to be part Indian.


This. It's ridiculous.
 
2012-05-03 10:30:38 PM

MoeSzyslak: I never claimed to be outraged.


I never claimed you were outraged. I claimed you were trying to manufacture outrage. Cos you are.

I don't live in Massachusetts and couldn't care less about this race.

I don't live in MA and you obviously care about this race.

All I was saying is that her supposed minority status (hasn't been proven yet)

To your satisfaction anyways, go on.

... was used for gain by either her, Harvard, or both

What gain?

...which is wrong

Why is what wrong?

...and liberals don't seem to care yet if it where a conservative in an identical position the lefty moon bats in congress would probably try and pass a resolution condemning it.

Ah, those nasty hypothetical libs again. They sure are rapscallions, that bunch.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to express my deepest sympathies to Ms. Warren for all of the prejudice, hate, and bigotry not to mention the denied opportunities she must have had to endure growing up as a Native American in this white privileged society. No amount of money or preferential treatment could ever truly repay you for the hardships the white man has caused you. But seeing someone like you who was dealt such a tough lot in life by no choice of your own not only prosper but reach such great heights should stand as a shining example to us all that just because you were born with blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't mean that you are incapable of reaching for the stars and achieving greatness in this white man's world. You're a true hero to us all.

What kind of discount do you get when you buy straw in bulk like that?

That's a lot of not caring, right there.
 
2012-05-03 11:10:14 PM
To be fair, you have to remember that, when dealing with people who aren't 100% caucasian, Republicans take any fractions of mixed race and multiply them by 3/5. This skews the curve.
 
2012-05-03 11:11:51 PM

quatchi: MoeSzyslak: I never claimed to be outraged.

I never claimed you were outraged. I claimed you were trying to manufacture outrage. Cos you are.

I don't live in Massachusetts and couldn't care less about this race.

I don't live in MA and you obviously care about this race.

All I was saying is that her supposed minority status (hasn't been proven yet)

To your satisfaction anyways, go on.

... was used for gain by either her, Harvard, or both

What gain?

...which is wrong

Why is what wrong?

...and liberals don't seem to care yet if it where a conservative in an identical position the lefty moon bats in congress would probably try and pass a resolution condemning it.

Ah, those nasty hypothetical libs again. They sure are rapscallions, that bunch.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to express my deepest sympathies to Ms. Warren for all of the prejudice, hate, and bigotry not to mention the denied opportunities she must have had to endure growing up as a Native American in this white privileged society. No amount of money or preferential treatment could ever truly repay you for the hardships the white man has caused you. But seeing someone like you who was dealt such a tough lot in life by no choice of your own not only prosper but reach such great heights should stand as a shining example to us all that just because you were born with blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't mean that you are incapable of reaching for the stars and achieving greatness in this white man's world. You're a true hero to us all.

What kind of discount do you get when you buy straw in bulk like that?

That's a lot of not caring, right there.


As to your Weeners. It's nothing more than some douche telling me what I think.

As to proof. She hasn't proved it to any reasonable standard. Prove otherwise.

As to gain. The gain was either preferential treatment in hiring for her or Harvard using it to deflecting the criticism it was receiving back then about their racial minority hiring practices.

As to why it's wrong. If she used it for preferential hiring I don't think affirmative action was created to help people that would have to go to such lengths to prove racial minority status? How many opportunities do you think she was denied because of her supposed Native American heritage nobody could possibly know about? If Harvard used it to deflect criticism for a lack of racial minority faculty members it's just disingenuous at best.

The rest is just more of some douche who's sarcasm detector is broken telling me what I think again.
 
2012-05-03 11:45:38 PM

MoeSzyslak: As to proof. She hasn't proved it to any reasonable standard. Prove otherwise.


Why does she need to prove it to anyone?

She was told growing up she was 1/32 native.

She told the board that when she applied.

They used the information in literature on the staff.

At some point the literature stopped mentioning it.

Are you calling her a liar?

If so isn't the burden of proof on you?

As to gain. The gain was either preferential treatment in hiring for her or Harvard using it to deflecting the criticism it was receiving back then about their racial minority hiring ...

Again, no proof of that what so ever.

Once again you are not caring a helluva lot about a non story that happened many many years ago.

You are simply implying snide accusations of preferential treatment without any proof whatsoever.

Fact is, this women scares the living shiat out of the GOP and there is no attack too low for them to stoop to to try to prevent her election.

Fact is, this attempt and the ones you guys have planned along the way here will do more to energize supporters for Warren than it will stir up opposition to her.

So... go ahead, knock yourself out.

Keep not caring as fast and furiously as your little fingers can mash out those talking points.

Insinuating she might be an affirmitive action hire was the dead give away, btw.
 
2012-05-04 01:41:24 AM
I put this in the same category of people who claim to be Irish. Several generations ago the namesake ancestors did come from Ireland. However, they quickly assimilated into America and became Americans (the mutts of the human race). She sounds like her family was proud of the Native American addition to their gene pool. Good for them. I don't hear her laying any claim to being a member of the Cherokee Nation. Just laying claim to a distant ancestor who would probably be proud of her achievements.

I would also note that the Native Americans are pretty silent during this debate.
 
2012-05-04 02:00:19 AM

quatchi: MoeSzyslak: As to proof. She hasn't proved it to any reasonable standard. Prove otherwise.

Why does she need to prove it to anyone?

She was told growing up she was 1/32 native.

She told the board that when she applied.

They used the information in literature on the staff.

At some point the literature stopped mentioning it.

Are you calling her a liar?

If so isn't the burden of proof on you?

As to gain. The gain was either preferential treatment in hiring for her or Harvard using it to deflecting the criticism it was receiving back then about their racial minority hiring ...

Again, no proof of that what so ever.

Once again you are not caring a helluva lot about a non story that happened many many years ago.

You are simply implying snide accusations of preferential treatment without any proof whatsoever.

Fact is, this women scares the living shiat out of the GOP and there is no attack too low for them to stoop to to try to prevent her election.

Fact is, this attempt and the ones you guys have planned along the way here will do more to energize supporters for Warren than it will stir up opposition to her.

So... go ahead, knock yourself out.

Keep not caring as fast and furiously as your little fingers can mash out those talking points.

Insinuating she might be an affirmitive action hire was the dead give away, btw.


She's the one who made the claim. The burden is on her. Family lore doesn't doesn't mean a thing or we'd all have an uncle or second cousin who invented the Post Ittm note. As for calling her a liar, yes I'm calling her a liar. SHE not the school listed herself as a Native American in a directory of law professors for years while working at state schools until not long after getting her Harvard gig. Yesterday she said she did that because she thought it might help her to get in touch with other people who share her tribal roots. My question for her would be that if that is the case then why did you then decide it was no longer important do to something that might help you to meet people with common ancestry when you got to the top of the law professor ladder? No longer interested in meeting Cherokee people or is it no longer convenient for you now that you are working where you wanted to? Win or lose this lady is full of shiat.

Do you really think that anybody is afraid of this lady representing the state that Ted Kennedy represented for so long and that Presidential loser that's worth more than Mitt still does? Hell the only reason a Republican won last time is the Dems must have barely lost a bet they could run the least likable person in the state and still win. Massachusetts will get the representation they deserve.
 
2012-05-04 02:26:28 AM
1/2 Seneca
 
2012-05-04 04:37:01 AM

Cat Food Sandwiches: A liberal caught in a lie is the real definition of a "non-story".


This is odd. You can obviously write, how is it that you seem to be unable to read?
 
2012-05-04 04:48:24 AM
Awww, subby missed the part were media says "Really? what proof." And campaign says "uhhh well it really doesn't matter because we just said 1/32 and that was a long time ago before proof was invented." And media says "so it's really 0 Cherokee?" and campaign says "only her opponent has a problem with 0 cherokee"
 
2012-05-04 09:55:54 AM

burning_bridge: Cat Food Sandwiches: A liberal caught in a lie is the real definition of a "non-story".

This is odd. You can obviously write, how is it that you seem to be unable to read?


He reads. He just doesn't comprehend.
 
2012-05-04 10:01:18 AM

Lumpmoose: So the Warren campaign proves she's a minority according to leaders of the exact minority in question. She was a professor at Harvard, chaired a federal oversight panel and was an advisor to the president which proves she is supremely qualified.


No. they didn't "prove" she was 1/32. Even if they did there is more to being part fo the cherokee nation than saying I am 1/32 cherokee.

quatchi: She was told growing up she was 1/32 native.

She told the board that when she applied.

They used the information in literature on the staff.


She said I am 1/32 or she said I am part cherokee? Not the same thing, and I doubt Harvard would have labeled her as a minority for being 1/32. If I missed that in the article, my mistake.
 
2012-05-04 10:49:55 AM
I just realized that Elizabeth Warren's father was a man, making her half man. And do we want a half-man, half-woman freak in office?
 
2012-05-04 11:25:06 AM

burning_bridge: Cat Food Sandwiches: A liberal caught in a lie is the real definition of a "non-story".

This is odd. You can obviously write, how is it that you seem to be unable to read?


cubic_spleen: burning_bridge: Cat Food Sandwiches: A liberal caught in a lie is the real definition of a "non-story".

This is odd. You can obviously write, how is it that you seem to be unable to read?

He reads. He just doesn't comprehend.


So you think she was being honest? And you say I can't comprehend?
 
2012-05-04 10:19:03 PM
Substitute "Derpers" for "Media" and you're good to go, Subby.
 
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