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(MSNBC)   Drivers neglecting to use a turn signal cause two million accidents a year, 14 outside of Florida   (bottomline.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 73
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2012-05-03 08:16:02 AM
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This man has something to say about people who don't use their turn signals.
 
2012-05-03 08:26:08 AM
In California, using turn signals, like being first to dim your high beams, is considered a sign of weakness

/you will be mocked, pointed and laughed at
 
2012-05-03 08:39:15 AM
In MD, the turn must be optional equipment given how infrequently it is used.
 
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2012-05-03 09:04:58 AM
I would go with [UNLIKELY]. The number seems to be invented. I can't find it on the SAE web site. There is a paper with a survey of turn signal use, but I'm not paying $23 to read it.

Nevada state troopers who were bored patrolling Interstates got a law passed increasing the number of times turn signals had to be used despite not producing any evidence that any crashes had resulted from failure. They wanted to write more tickets. SAE wants to mandate more gadgets in cars (and thus more employment for their members).
 
2012-05-03 09:10:51 AM
I think the problem in Florida is that turn signals never turn off, so have lost their meaning.
 
2012-05-03 09:11:39 AM
Why would I use my turn signal? *I* know where *I* want to go!
 
2012-05-03 09:12:33 AM
I try to use my turn signal..

But I don't expect them to be used, and I don't trust them when they are used..

how much they actually decrease accidents seems questionable
 
2012-05-03 09:12:55 AM
Made up studies are a type of study.
 
2012-05-03 09:14:13 AM
Sez the Office of Pull a Number Outa Yer Arse.
 
2012-05-03 09:15:32 AM

MyRandomName: Made up studies are a type of study.


You sound like that asshole that doesn't use his turn signals and causes accidents.
 
2012-05-03 09:15:34 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: In California, using turn signals, like being first to dim your high beams, is considered a sign of weakness

/you will be mocked, pointed and laughed at


came here to say "subby have had clearly NEVER been to CA"
 
2012-05-03 09:15:55 AM
I have seen this kind of "science" a lot lately.
Is there another movement afoot?
 
2012-05-03 09:17:33 AM
There's a special subset of assholes who sit at the front of left-hand lanes without their signals on, then as soon as the light changes put their left-turn signal on so you have to cut out of the lane to get around them as right-hand lane traffic zips blithely by, points and laughs.

I almost never do this. If I know I'm going to make a left-hand turn I put my signal on well in advance to let drivers behind me change lanes with plenty of time to react. The only exception is when a BMW is behind me, and that's only because there's a chance it's begin driven by John Fitzgerald Page.
 
2012-05-03 09:21:50 AM

DjangoStonereaver: In MD, the turn must be optional equipment given how infrequently it is used.


The same with much of North Texas...ESP apparently is highly developed among drivers here.

/that, or they just can't be arsed to get off the bloody cell phone
 
2012-05-03 09:28:38 AM
I really, honestly, don't see the reason assholes don't use their turn signal. Is moving your hand the six or so inches really that much work?
 
2012-05-03 09:29:17 AM
Dad burned the blinker habit into me from an early age, so it's something that I do 100% now without thinking about it. Then have a laugh at myself for using the signal at 3 am, exiting an empty parking lot, in the middle of nowhere.

Using the turn signal is just one of those things that only helps if a MAJORITY of people choose to do it. Hell, let's just replace the farking things with a couple of giant neon middle fingers.
 
2012-05-03 09:29:29 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: MyRandomName: Made up studies are a type of study.

You sound like that asshole that doesn't use his turn signals and causes accidents.


I don't quite see how you came to that conclusion from what was posted. I always use my turn signals, rarely cause accidents (although I am a certified asshole), and I agree with MyRandomName that this study sounds completely made up.

The lack of a turn signal is merely a symptom of bad driving, not the cause.
 
2012-05-03 09:32:01 AM
And twelve of those fourteen live in Rhode Island.
 
2012-05-03 09:32:27 AM
I would say about 75% of motorists use their turn signals, and that's in Massachusetts where I do most of my driving (Metrowest -- not Boston).

There are really only a couple of cases where not using a turn signal pisses me off:

1 -- The person on the highway who clearly wants to merge into a busy lane, but hasn't put his turn signal on. I love watching them get angrier and angrier, gesturing at the people who aren't making room for them. If only there was some way for them to communicate their intention to merge.

2 -- The driver on the busy road who makes a right-hand turn onto a side street where there are other cars trying to make a right-hand turn onto the busy road. Had she used her turn signal, they could have anticipated the break in traffic her turn would cause and take advantage to enter the busy road.
 
2012-05-03 09:34:32 AM
i just assume drivers will do the stupidest thing possible at any given point...including changing lanes or turning without signaling. I don't rely on signals because most of the time people don't use them, or idiots leave them on.
 
2012-05-03 09:37:37 AM
Louisiana has the WORST drivers.

/arrogance from idiots is RAMPANT
 
2012-05-03 09:43:44 AM
I want to murder most people that don't use turn signals.
 
2012-05-03 09:45:39 AM
At least those drivers are more likely to have insurance. 2 million is not even a whole percentage of the population of licensed drivers. We need to focus on when say 5% of a population is causing havoc on the road.

From a GEO/FED report:
The National Highway Traffic & Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimated that illegal
aliens are responsible annually for over 300,000 vehicle accidents, over 2,000 vehicle deaths,
and almost 140,000 traffic injuries, not including the estimated 4,745 alcohol related fatalities
caused by illegal immigrant drivers each year. While no one - in or out of government - tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens this is the best estimate with the documentation we do have.

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/9c87d224-0936-464d-a770-f9 5 f24eebebf/Driving-Illegal-Lattig.aspx
 
2012-05-03 09:48:47 AM
Turn signal use is not optional. Drivers who don't use them can (and should) be ticketed. This includes California.

You might think you don't have to use them, if there are no other cars around. But as my old driver's ed teacher said, the car you don't know is there is the one you should be worried about.

Another important rule is to remember that a turn signal being on is no guarantee that the driver will actually turn.

/The More You Know
 
2012-05-03 09:51:57 AM
My personal favorite is people that stop at a T intersection and don't signal. Then they just sit there.
 
2012-05-03 09:53:23 AM
I've lived in ND, WV, PA, NJ, SC, and FL and by FAR the worst drivers were in SC. You get 3-4 cars side by side waiting in the U-turn area all trying to merge into traffic at the same time. Used to scare the hell outta me. Glad I left.
 
2012-05-03 09:53:31 AM

ph0rk: My personal favorite is people that stop at a T intersection and don't signal. Then they just sit there.


I love it when it's a 'T' intersection with the entry/exit to a parking lot on the opposite end, and the people leaving the gas station there think it's a four-way intersection.
 
2012-05-03 09:53:41 AM
We have the California roll which is not a great piece of sushi it's when you just slow down at a stop sign never coming to a complete stop.
 
2012-05-03 09:55:38 AM

KimNorth: We have the California roll which is not a great piece of sushi it's when you just slow down at a stop sign never coming to a complete stop.


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I totally paused.
 
2012-05-03 10:00:19 AM
Whoever did that study obviously misspelled the state name - it should have been spelled "North Carolina".

In NC, I think folks seldom use turn signals because race cars don't have turn signals, and folks often drive like it's a NASCAR race at all times.
 
2012-05-03 10:01:09 AM
Here in South Texas, I am pretty sure 90% of the drivers don't know what a turn signal is, much like they don't get the joke that the little envelope (closed sign) above their air vent might mean they have new emails. Ah, NO hable engles'
 
2012-05-03 10:02:50 AM
While I was in KY, I used to own an old rusty 1974 Ford F100 half-ton truck with broken turn signals. One time, as I was driving from the college graduation ceremony to my apartment with my parents following me home, I rolled down the window and used bicycle signals to signal my turns. While still in my graduation gown. This apparently embarassed my father so much that after our Route 66 trip (my graduation present), Dad bought me a newer car with working turn signals.

/CSB?
 
2012-05-03 10:09:33 AM

meanmutton: I really, honestly, don't see the reason assholes don't use their turn signal. Is moving your hand the six or so inches really that much work?


It's because they're assholes...

Oblig...
 
2012-05-03 10:18:11 AM
Was this a honest to goodness study or a self serving study?

How many people in this study didn't use a turn signal but were in a turn lane that had bright green turn arrow overhead telling the world which way the driver as going?

How many people in this study didn't use a turn signal but were traveling at the speed limit but changed lanes in front of someone excessively speeding? I note this because freeways generally don't require a turn signal to change lanes.

/Now now then I may use hand signals with all my fingers to signal my intentions.
 
2012-05-03 10:19:28 AM

dforkus: I try to use my turn signal..

But I don't expect them to be used, and I don't trust them when they are used..

how much they actually decrease accidents seems questionable


THIS. Trusting other people's turn signals (or lack thereof) is what causes accidents.

/I usually use turn signals, especially if there are other cars anywhere near me or have had a few drinks.
 
2012-05-03 10:26:33 AM
But if I use my turn signal, I lose the element of surprise...
 
2012-05-03 10:26:36 AM
Just like one o those other posters, I had the turn signal thing burned into me at a young age too. I use mine pretty much automatically. Now living in NJ, which has some of the worst roads and signage in the solar system, the use of that stupid blinking light would be so damn handy if people actually figured that out. Probably the biggest thing that pisses me off is when people double park or otherwise stop in the middle of the street and I don't know what their intention is. If you're stopping with the plan that people behind you will go around, put on your blinker or 4 way to farking indicate this, you turds. Driving in Italy, by comparison, while hectic and insane - much more pleasant experience since it seems people drive around withOUT their egos, oddly enough.
 
2012-05-03 10:29:52 AM
I never use signals. It makes other drivers pay more attention and drive more safely.



/actually, all we have are roundabouts, and signalling only confuses everyone. Some 'purists' like to signal right when they go straight.... Or left....!?!
 
2012-05-03 10:34:05 AM

Happy Hours: dforkus: I try to use my turn signal..

But I don't expect them to be used, and I don't trust them when they are used..

how much they actually decrease accidents seems questionable

THIS. Trusting other people's turn signals (or lack thereof) is what causes accidents.

/I usually use turn signals, especially if there are other cars anywhere near me or have had a few drinks.


Die. In a fire.
 
2012-05-03 11:01:38 AM
People who don't use their turn signals need to DIAF.

People who put them on after they are already in the turn lane need to EABOD and then DIAF.
 
2012-05-03 11:05:08 AM
I farking hate lazy drivers of all shapes and colors, whether it's neglecting to use their signals, not dimming their brights, or simply straddling the line as opposed to staying in their lane.

-Here in NYC it's absolutely no use. Not only are there tons of cars everywhere, but construction vans, garbage trucks, the electric bicycles that food delivery guys are using now, cabs and limos and of course cops who roll through whatever light they feel isn't meant for them, and drive/park in bike lanes and the new pedestrian areas of Broadway, all driving without signalling or giving a shiat. For the most part you can drive however you want in NYC and never get a ticket, so enforcement is zero.
 
2012-05-03 11:16:57 AM
Raleigh NC: never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use a turn signal. Not even the cops do.
 
2012-05-03 11:17:20 AM

Jument: People who don't use their turn signals need to DIAF.

People who put them on after they are already in the turn lane need to EABOD and then DIAF.


exactly. if you're already in the freakin turn lane, then you have signaled your intention to turn. signal before hand, especially if the turn land is preceeded by a multi-use lane that may have traffic.
 
2012-05-03 11:19:52 AM

Jerkwater: I would say about 75% of motorists use their turn signals, and that's in Massachusetts where I do most of my driving (Metrowest -- not Boston).

There are really only a couple of cases where not using a turn signal pisses me off:

1 -- The person on the highway who clearly wants to merge into a busy lane, but hasn't put his turn signal on. I love watching them get angrier and angrier, gesturing at the people who aren't making room for them. If only there was some way for them to communicate their intention to merge.

2 -- The driver on the busy road who makes a right-hand turn onto a side street where there are other cars trying to make a right-hand turn onto the busy road. Had she used her turn signal, they could have anticipated the break in traffic her turn would cause and take advantage to enter the busy road.


and i agree completely with these 2 points.

come on people, it's not difficult. freaking traffic frustrates me. it vexes my spirit.
 
2012-05-03 11:20:01 AM
*insert joke about BMW drivers*

/drives a BMW
 
2012-05-03 11:22:08 AM
I guess my question is: How many of these accidents would have happened anyway had the turn signal been used? Typically, when I'm caught off-guard by someone not using their turn signal, they're also making an unsafe maneuver and the turn signal wouldn't necessarily have helped--like the genius that makes a double-lane change 50 feet before an exit ramp right in front of me because they're about to miss their exit.

In any case, I try to make a point of using my turn signals, but I'm sure I'm not perfect. Am I going to actively remember all the times I forgot to use them? Seems unlikely...

And, there's many cases where I'm certain I just haven't bothered, like turning left under a protected left arrow in a string of cars. At that point, it's redundant. Or changing lanes on an otherwise empty road.
 
2012-05-03 11:25:36 AM

colon_pow: Jument: People who don't use their turn signals need to DIAF.

People who put them on after they are already in the turn lane need to EABOD and then DIAF.

exactly. if you're already in the freakin turn lane, then you have signaled your intention to turn. signal before hand, especially if the turn land is preceeded by a multi-use lane that may have traffic.


I'm not sure I understand the ire here. At least around here, most of the dedicated turn lanes are sculpted with curbs, so there no traffic in that lane to inform of your entrance. The lane didn't exist before the entry point. The most you're doing is letting the people in your same lane know you're leaving that lane, which isn't really all that important.

I guess if you have one of those bi-directional shared left-turn lanes, it's a much bigger deal, and hell yeah, always signal when getting into one of those unless you like head-on collisions.
 
2012-05-03 11:27:39 AM
I always use them, but when on the Beltway you have to be a bit more discrete and not use them properly. Turn signals on the Beltway trigger the "DEFEND THE LANE!!!" response in 95% of drivers so instead of the "Excuse me sir, I'd like to enter into your lane of traffic. Would you mind letting your fellow citizen join you?" usage of the signal, you have to wait until you see your chance and just before you turn throw the signal on in the "Hey! I'm turning RIGHT NOW!" maneuver.

/Defend the lane is where they see your signal and everyone immediately speeds up to close all gaps and everyone tailgates 6" from each other
//Not just the Beltway, pretty much all roads in the DC region
///If you come here for vacation, do yourself and everyone else a favor and don't drive on our roads kthx.
 
2012-05-03 11:30:55 AM
Please, please, signal. It should be something you do automatically, without thought. Not signaling is a great warning sign of a bad driver you need to keep your eye on.

I berate the Captain's Wife about it all the time. (She's getting better...) She tries to say that "No one was coming, it's fine," but that's not the point. It's supposed to be a habit and it means that you're paying attention to the road and thinking about where you're going.

If you were in the middle of Bumfark, Utah (but I repeat myself) at an intersection in the middle of the night with no one around you for 100 miles, you better finish your turn and say to yourself, "Well, I guess I didn't need to use the turn signal. Oh well."
 
2012-05-03 11:34:25 AM

im14u2c: colon_pow: Jument: People who don't use their turn signals need to DIAF.

People who put them on after they are already in the turn lane need to EABOD and then DIAF.

exactly. if you're already in the freakin turn lane, then you have signaled your intention to turn. signal before hand, especially if the turn land is preceeded by a multi-use lane that may have traffic.

I'm not sure I understand the ire here. At least around here, most of the dedicated turn lanes are sculpted with curbs, so there no traffic in that lane to inform of your entrance. The lane didn't exist before the entry point. The most you're doing is letting the people in your same lane know you're leaving that lane, which isn't really all that important.

I guess if you have one of those bi-directional shared left-turn lanes, it's a much bigger deal, and hell yeah, always signal when getting into one of those unless you like head-on collisions.


here in tucson there are lots of bike lanes, and many that are considered multi-use lanes, which is basically a bike lane that's 8-ft wide instead of 6. you can use those as turn lanes when approaching an intersection. when traffic is heavy and backed up from the intersection, many people will pull into that lane, where others wait in line till the official turn lane striping begins and then start drifting into that lane, without signalling. that's where problems occur.

and furthermore, when you make your right turn, you're supposed to turn into the right lane of the road you turned onto. i see lots of people who have their right turn signal on, and then cut across two lanes to the left.
 
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