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(Marin County Journal)   The FCC wants to fine AT&T $780,000 for reaching out and touching 29 people on the "Do Not Call" list   (customwire.ap.org) divider line 83
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2003-11-03 05:24:10 PM
RTFA please. They were fined for violating the *existing* regulations that require companies to maintain their own DNC lists. This regulation has been in effect for years.
 
2003-11-03 05:32:26 PM
FYI, the FCC sues ATT for KFC and JFK ASAP, ROFLMAO!
 
2003-11-03 05:44:35 PM
^^^wha?^^^
 
2003-11-03 05:49:53 PM
The FCC won't let me be?

Blah.. someone pull the farking plug on this day! I need a beer.
 
2003-11-03 05:51:20 PM
I'm with snizwilk!
 
2003-11-03 05:52:01 PM
Somwhere right now, some asshat is sitting around trying to figure out who he can sue, if he gets a phone call, and he is on the do no call list.
 
2003-11-03 05:52:27 PM
colomboy

Please share whatever it is you're smoking!
 
2003-11-03 05:53:06 PM
The "National Do Not Call List" is stupidity; I've been saying that since the beginning. If these people are breaking existing laws, what makes you think that they won't break the new ones?

And what makes you think the new laws were not written to give certain other people the *legal* right to call you?
 
2003-11-03 05:53:24 PM
DO IT!!! DO IT!111111111 111111 11111111111
 
2003-11-03 05:55:08 PM
Yes, RickTheVote, you've been saying it over and over and over and over and over.

PS Telemarketing is the real stupidity.
 
2003-11-03 05:55:13 PM
Sorry, but no matter what the FCC does, it will never make up for all the countless anime masterpieces that they turned into retarded childrens' shows. Everyone at the FCC can f*ck off and die for all I care.
 
2003-11-03 05:56:09 PM
Our star might flare and cook us like a microwave burrito later, but now it's a good day :)
 
2003-11-03 05:56:21 PM
I'm #30, but I was too lazy to report it.
 
2003-11-03 05:56:40 PM
oh, so when i submit this, it doesnt get posted, but with that stupid headline...
 
2003-11-03 05:57:52 PM
Telemarketers should go and get real jobs.

I hear Albertsons, Vons, and Ralphs (Southern California) are hiring. So's my local In-and-Out Burger. And they start at $9! Probably better than the typical telemarketing job.
 
2003-11-03 05:57:53 PM
pwn3d.
 
2003-11-03 06:00:48 PM
AT&T Broadband continually called me. Nearly nightly I'd have a number on my caller id indicating that I'd missed a call. After a few days I'd get the call and it would be AT&T trying to sell me their phone service. Id' ask to be taking off the list and then a few weeks later they'd call again. This went on for months until I threatened to sue them. They stopped calling at that point. Never called me again.

It's a shame too... I was just starting to like the idea of ordering their service... ;)
 
2003-11-03 06:01:09 PM
Who cares?!

I use an answering machine, and I get NO unwanted calls, whatsoever. And the callers are paying for their ADs at least.

Email SPAM on the other hand, is just unacceptable. I was gone for 4 days w/o mail, and when I came back, I had FIVE HUNDRED Spam emails. It's not like I'm on 20 newsgroups or all over the web, either.

This wastes my precious time, and a lot of people money in spent bandwidth, EXCEPT the spammer himself.

And really, who the fark even responds to this Email? Would YOU refinance your home via one of these emails?

Would YOU buy organ modification drugs (let's just pretend for a second they are anything but what they are, snake oil) from a person who addresses their email "3nlarge.UR.M E M B E R!" from an email address in russia (or AOL for that matter)???

I mean, WTF, why are these email senders even bothering.

I'd like to see these scumbags strewn up in the Gallows, forget lawsuits...
 
2003-11-03 06:01:49 PM
Now, if only the FCC could turn it's sights on the RIAA...

(Pictures a Godzilla Vs. Gamera - like confrontation.)
 
2003-11-03 06:03:37 PM
and I bet the people that got called only see a fraction of the 10000 dollars per call...the government has to get their cut just for making a law for it!!! BASTARDS!!!
 
2003-11-03 06:06:08 PM
Emperor-Jay
Sorry, but no matter what the FCC does, it will never make up for all the countless anime masterpieces that they turned into retarded childrens' shows. Everyone at the FCC can f*ck off and die for all I care.

That's what you get for supporting anime to have its own category.

They're just cartoons made in Japan. Nothing special.

troll
 
2003-11-03 06:06:19 PM
akulaalfa:
oh, so when i submit this, it doesnt get posted, but with that stupid headline...

And I submitted it as "IRONIC", I mean, the phone company being the target of the do not call list?
 
2003-11-03 06:06:28 PM
Weird.. I'm starting to like the FCC.

RickTheVote: You obviously are not a home owner. I was getting 3, 4, or 5 calls an evening from telemarketers before DNC kicked in. Home Refinancing, more credit cards, insurance, radio stations, out-of-state newspaper subscriptions. The day you buy a house you've just published your income, the value of your home and announced you have good credit to the world.

My friends are surprised that I actually answer the phone when they call. I was very close to canceling the thing all together when that DNC service was announced.
 
2003-11-03 06:07:38 PM
The "National Do Not Call List" is stupidity;...

It may be stupidity, but, my phone's been a *hell* of a lot quieter since October 1st. It's to the point now where when it rings, I expect to talk to someone I know, instead of someone selling siding, mortgages, newspaper subscriptions, etc. I'll take that "stupidity" over what I had before anyday.
 
2003-11-03 06:10:55 PM
I hope they do fine AT&T. I hope they fine the hell out of all the damn telemarketing companies that break the law as well. They can all go out of business for all I care.
 
2003-11-03 06:13:02 PM
akulaalfa:
oh, so when i submit this, it doesnt get posted, but with that stupid headline...

And I submitted it as "IRONIC", I mean, the phone company being the target of the do not call list?
 
2003-11-03 06:14:08 PM
I am a dumbass.
 
2003-11-03 06:14:27 PM
Ever since DNC, I get calls from COPS (cal.org. police/sherrifs). I also get calls from this Clueless
bimbo telling me i've won five days and four nights in
beautiful Florida. Fortunately it isn't any more than
that. I did get awakened three times in one night by the
same idiot- i SO wanted to go in there with a baseball
bat and break things....
 
2003-11-03 06:16:32 PM
good. those farkers called me 3 times after i told them not to farking call me and i told them each time to stop.
 
2003-11-03 06:16:51 PM
The article says that these people were customers. I thought it was ok for a company to call a customer.
 
2003-11-03 06:17:58 PM
Veracity I mean, WTF, why are these email senders even bothering.

You seem to forget that the majority of the internet world have no buisness owning a computer in the first place.

They bother, because it works. These are the same dipshiats who'll forward e-mails thinking that Bill Gates will send them to Disneyland. Right after they send their credit-card information to Nigerian refugees looking to smuggle money out of the country so they can fund their own space mission to rescue a cat who's dying of cancer that NASA sent to the moon.

And if you forward this to 300 people, you'll see a secret video hidden on your computer of Brittney Spears giving a blow job to a goat.

AOL users, basically...
 
2003-11-03 06:18:04 PM
List or no list, they will just change their tactics. Now it's a 'customer service call'. I dumped my landline a year ago and went totally mobile.
 
2003-11-03 06:23:44 PM
This article is totally inaccurate and biased.

Here's At&t's response to the claim

This isn't even about the DNC list.
 
2003-11-03 06:25:23 PM
Hey guys, Do any of you get any "No number" calls on your phone caller ID, pick up the phone and no one is on the other side? It bugs me that I get at least 2-3 calls per week, and don't know who toreport... (And no, I don't have any "enemies" or "jealous girlfriends")
 
2003-11-03 06:32:16 PM
mardidavril -- apparently you didn't read the article
 
2003-11-03 06:41:19 PM
Wasn't ATT contracted to build the whole DNC list?
 
2003-11-03 06:50:16 PM
The "National Do Not Call List" is stupidity;...

yeah..sure, whatever. In the last month since its been active I've receieved 1 call I can remember offering me debt restructuring services or glass repair etc. I actually answer the phone expecting to talk to someone I know. Do you like having to screen your calls with an answering machine or picking up messags that are nothing but computer dialers hanging up?
 
2003-11-03 06:54:49 PM
Slightly off-topic question;

Does anyone know why it is legal for companies to sell personal information for profit? Some credit card companies even sell CC numbers to telemarketers! Why does this continue to be acceptable, especially in light of the rising incidence of identity theft and the prevalence of this kind of information on the internet (and the dangers it poses there.)

So-called "business partners" can "obtain" (translation: BUY) your personal information from companies with whom you do business, as long as you do not "opt-out," so always read the fine print, especially if you are offered free goods and services in exchange for filling out a form or a poll.
 
2003-11-03 06:57:17 PM
vortextx
Hey guys, Do any of you get any "No number" calls on your phone caller ID, pick up the phone and no one is on the other side? It bugs me that I get at least 2-3 calls per week, and don't know who toreport... (And no, I don't have any "enemies" or "jealous girlfriends")

Actually, that is a company using an autodialer, which was illegal even before the DNC list. Wait a while, and someone will come on the line. Ask them their name, what company they work for, and what they are selling. Then record the time and date of the call and report them to the FCC.
 
2003-11-03 07:01:16 PM
vortextx

From what I understand, those calls with nobody on the other are is computers calling to see if a person picks up, so a telemarketer can get all the disconnected lines & fax machines out of their calling list.
 
CB
2003-11-03 07:01:36 PM
Not really about the DNC list but....

I kept getting calls from soma asshat asking for "Bob" after I got a new cell phone. After 1 or 2 polite "This isn't "Bob's" number please quit calling I got pissed. Did a reverse lookup and got the ass-hat's name and home address. Next time the farker called and asked for "Bob" I said, "Hello Mr. *** *****, you live at such and such address?" He hesitated and then said "Yes, why, how did you know?" With a huge evil grin splashed across my face I answered, "Well ***, this isn't a number you want to ever call again. EVER Do we understand each other?" He hung up with a bang. I wondered if he was the tinfoil hat wearing type peeking out the window after that. Wondering about the phone Co. van across the street. The black suburban that went by etc. I wish I could have seen his face...
 
2003-11-03 07:02:17 PM
Just out of curiosity, what evidence does one have to provide in order to press charges? Is it just an accusation and they're gotten, or is it more like you have to record the call, or provide caller ID records or what?
 
2003-11-03 07:02:33 PM
So how much of this money goes to the person that was called illegally?
 
2003-11-03 07:04:35 PM
AT&T is welcome to kiss my ass.

I signed up for their internet service, cancelled before the month was out. It was mostly fine, but installed goofy custom dialing software that I hadn't figured out how to do without.

A couple weeks later, I get my AT&T ld bill. With an extra $18 or so for the internet service. I call and explain it was a free trial month & I canceled. They say I have to call a different number for worldnet. I try a few times - that billing department NEVER answers the phone. The recording says they're too busy, call later. I call back the number on my bill, they insist they can't help. I try the worldnet number daily for a week, no answer every time.

So I call the number on the bill one more time, telling them it's the last time. "Roger" promises to stay on the line to transfer me to worldnet. Needless to say, he hangs up on me.

So I threw away the whole bill (Another $20 or so ld charges) and switch ld service. But then I see AT&T billed my credit card for the whole amount - they used to do that monthly for the ld bill.

I call them again & ask for a supervisor (I did try worldnet again, same story). "Roger" tells me he'll transfer me and gives me a 'direct' line to his supervisor 'just in case'. It's the same 800 number on my bill of course. And then he hangs up on me too.

The happy ending is the chargeback my credit card company is sending them. I hope they keep rebilling it, the chargeback fees will give me great satisfaction.

In summary, fark AT&T.
 
2003-11-03 07:13:03 PM
I doubt that telemarketing and/or spam will ever be eliminated through legislation.

What we really need is for somebody to figure how to reach out and touch these guys back.
 
2003-11-03 07:17:40 PM
This is awesome, especially when a couple of days ago my dad biatched ATT out for calling my parents house FOUR times in an hour. The last time, he yelled "I'm switching to SBC, you farkers!" and hung up. He was incredibly irritated especially because my sister was living in a dorm in L.A. that was completely surrounded by all the fires, and he was trying to calm her down on the phone. Asshats.
 
2003-11-03 07:25:39 PM
So, the FCC is finally doing something useful.
Those AT&T SOBs laid me off. I say SUE the motherfarkers for all they've got!
 
2003-11-03 07:35:17 PM
That seems a little steep
 
2003-11-03 07:38:09 PM
finally the FCC is doing something useful.
 
2003-11-03 07:42:01 PM
Yep, definitely noticed a drop-off in telespam since the DNC.

For people who work night shifts, and are on emergency standby, turning the ringer off and letting the machine get it is not an option while I'm sleeping days. Especially since I have voicemail.

Frankly, I think the telemarketeres should thank the Gov. They just did freemarket research for them, eliminating thousands of man-hours trying to pitch to people who refuse to buy anything over the phone.
 
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