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2012-05-02 10:24:20 PM  
bwhahahahahahahahaha

WHY NOT JUST CHARGE all flights by pound?
period??

bhwhahahaahahahah
 
2012-05-02 10:45:07 PM  
So here's my question--when the airlines lose your bags (which they seem to do more these days), shouldn't that entitle you to a refund?
 
2012-05-02 11:16:51 PM  

Nickster79: So here's my question--when the airlines lose your bags (which they seem to do more these days), shouldn't that entitle you to a refund?


Yes it does. And they do give you a refund if you ask. Sometimes even if you don't.
 
2012-05-02 11:26:31 PM  
Luggage fees don't really affect many business travelers, as they often travel with only carry-ons. It won't take long for business travel systems factor carry-on fees like this into the overall fare. Net result - fewer business travelers, and sooner or later, vacationers will wise up too.

And seeing as business travelers are the only one who show any sort of loyalty or reliably pay any sort of premium schedule convenience, they'll lose the most profitable customers in the airline industry.

Soooo... good luck with that. I'm sure they know what they're doing.
 
2012-05-03 02:30:20 AM  
First the TSA, and now this. That is why I've been traveling by the Greyhound bus. And enjoying it. I bring along Ambien for the overnights.
 
2012-05-03 02:54:26 AM  
Why are we wasting our time trying to convince Americans to take trains for environmental reasons? All we have to do is show them that taking a train could spare them most of this shiat and the TSA to boot.

//Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?
 
2012-05-03 03:09:30 AM  

Ed Willy: Why are we wasting our time trying to convince Americans to take trains for environmental reasons? All we have to do is show them that taking a train could spare them most of this shiat and the TSA to boot.

//Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?


The TSA is on trains and busses too.

This is why I will drive unless it is more than about an 8 hour trip for just myself. With the family and all of the stuff we seem to need to bring it is closer to 12 hours.
 
2012-05-03 03:42:18 AM  

Nickster79: So here's my question--when the airlines lose your bags (which they seem to do more these days), shouldn't that entitle you to a refund?


I'm pretty sure they will just deduct the checked bag fee from the new, soon-to-be-announced $500 lost bag recovery fee.
 
2012-05-03 03:55:31 AM  
Instead of all the fees, why don't they just increase fares?
 
2012-05-03 04:01:00 AM  

Bucky Katt: Instead of all the fees, why don't they just increase fares?


because travelocity, expedia, et all, don't take fees into account when they show a list of tickets. so you have airline choice boiled down to who can charge 1 cent less and show up at the top of that list. and pax wonder why the service sucks.
 
2012-05-03 04:30:43 AM  
why do people keep using this airline?!

are the fares that much cheaper even with this new $100 fee?
 
2012-05-03 04:48:02 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Luggage fees don't really affect many business travelers, as they often travel with only carry-ons. It won't take long for business travel systems factor carry-on fees like this into the overall fare. Net result - fewer business travelers, and sooner or later, vacationers will wise up too.

And seeing as business travelers are the only one who show any sort of loyalty or reliably pay any sort of premium schedule convenience, they'll lose the most profitable customers in the airline industry.

Soooo... good luck with that. I'm sure they know what they're doing.


I don't think business travelers are flying Spirit. And I don't this fee being applied to many airlines as they realize what you typed would be true.
 
2012-05-03 04:58:34 AM  

Ed Willy: Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?


Not with the trains, no. From Amsterdam, I can get to Paris by train in less time than it takes to fly (including getting to/from the airport, checking in, passport control, waiting for bags, etc.). No problems with the bags, decent food, a bar car, power outlets, and I can use my phone if I want to, even as a hotspot.
 
2012-05-03 05:49:46 AM  

Kevin72: First the TSA, and now this. That is why I've been traveling by the Greyhound bus. And enjoying it. I bring along Ambien for the overnights.


The only issue is having to book the extra seat for the walrus...
 
2012-05-03 05:58:16 AM  
The only crap I have to deal with, is that I can check 2 bags for free with a weight limit of 20 kg each. You might think you could check one bag that is 25 or 30 kg instead of 2 at 20kg, but nooooo. Those are the rules and boy do we stick to them.

As for carry-on, I wouldn't need one if the expensive stuff doesn't get stolen oh so often. So no way am I checking my camera equipment for the TSA and baggages thiefs.

/If there are 200 thefts daily from an airport with no oversight, that also means that they could put 200 bombs on the planes, renedering the TSA even more useless.
 
2012-05-03 06:33:04 AM  

Kevin72: First the TSA, and now this. That is why I've been traveling by the Greyhound bus. And enjoying it. I bring along Ambien for the overnights.


It seems obvious to me - the airlines saw what the TSA was getting away with and decided that if people would put up with bending over once they would probably be willing to do it twice.
 
2012-05-03 07:00:48 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: .

This is why I will drive unless it is more than about an 8 hour trip for just myself. With the family and all of the stuff we seem to need to bring it is closer to 12 hours.


I draw the line at 6 hours, but that is definately the way to go. Did I mention, I fly for free and I still prefer to drive if its under 6? By the time we drive to the airport, I get the car parked, etc... it takes about 1/2 an hour longer to drive, and I don't have to be on anyone else's schedule getting there or back home. Costs me more in the long run, but for most people it would be cheaper and less of a hassle.
 
2012-05-03 07:13:00 AM  

lucksi: The only crap I have to deal with, is that I can check 2 bags for free with a weight limit of 20 kg each. You might think you could check one bag that is 25 or 30 kg instead of 2 at 20kg, but nooooo. Those are the rules and boy do we stick to them.


Supposedly it's because it's far easier to handle by the bagage handlers, and I can kind of see that.

Although I seem to remember being allowed 2 x 37 kilos before. Am I dreaming that ? (AtlantaParis flights)
 
2012-05-03 07:14:09 AM  
That could work out quite nicely for Mrs. ES and I. Stuff our daughter in the overhead bin for $100? Deal.
 
2012-05-03 07:17:58 AM  

Nickster79: So here's my question--when the airlines lose your bags (which they seem to do more these days), shouldn't that entitle you to a refund?


Ah, but they don't usually "lose" your luggage. It just gets "delayed" indefinitely.
 
2012-05-03 07:50:22 AM  

namatad: bwhahahahahahahahaha

WHY NOT JUST CHARGE all flights by pound?
period??

bhwhahahaahahahah


No, those with periods would cost more.
 
2012-05-03 07:51:49 AM  

Kevin72: First the TSA, and now this. That is why I've been traveling by the Greyhound bus. And enjoying it. I bring along Ambien for the overnights.


Jesus Christ dude. You've never had an Ambien moment. Well, just don't have it at 30,000 feet. Put this in your head for next time....it's OK to open the doors on airplanes.
 
2012-05-03 08:16:31 AM  

Ed Willy: //Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?


Security isn't as ridiculous but have you never heard of Ryanair? Notorious for fees, but thankfully if your carryon fits within their magic box when everyone is lined up like cattle to get on the plane, you don't have to pay that fee. And you know, forget reclining seats, those are way too expensive.

And flying is still almost always cheaper than train still. Granted I don't live in the super densely populated northern part of the continent.

/hope you like your flight crew selling lotto tickets
 
2012-05-03 08:17:48 AM  

bikerbob59: Jesus Christ dude. You've never had an Ambien moment. Well, just don't have it at 30,000 feet. Put this in your head for next time....it's OK to open the doors on airplanes.


This message brought to you by Ambien Walrus.
 
2012-05-03 08:33:58 AM  

Lupine Chemist: Ed Willy: //Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?

Security isn't as ridiculous but have you never heard of Ryanair? Notorious for fees, but thankfully if your carryon fits within their magic box when everyone is lined up like cattle to get on the plane, you don't have to pay that fee. And you know, forget reclining seats, those are way too expensive.

And flying is still almost always cheaper than train still. Granted I don't live in the super densely populated northern part of the continent.

/hope you like your flight crew selling lotto tickets


We're going from Paris to Barcelona this summer and the train ticket was twice as expensive as flying. I felt like I was back in the States.
 
kab
2012-05-03 08:37:24 AM  
For several years now, it's been to the point that I gladly go out of my way to use a slower mode of transportation to simply avoid the hassle of the airline 'experience', unless it's a trip I'm not paying for to begin with. Spirit, you aren't helping.
 
kab
2012-05-03 08:39:49 AM  

Lupine Chemist: And you know, forget reclining seats, those are way too expensive.


Well that's a plus at least. The knees of the person behind you are thankful.
 
2012-05-03 09:04:13 AM  
In April, I flew Southwest for the first time in years. The embarking and disembarking seems much easier than other airlines of late as each person didn't have a ton of crap they were trying to stuff in the overheads. I also noticed quite a bit of empty space in the overheads after everyone had boarded and we didn't have 10 people wandering around for 10 minutes trying to find some cranny they could stuff their baggage into. As a result, the plane pulled back from the gate on time. Perhaps this was not a usually occurance with Southwest, I don't know.

But I do know is that they are one of the few airlines that still allow you to check at least on bag included in your ticket price. To me, that makes more sense. Planes at the gate with people fussing over carry on luggage are not in the air. If they are not in the air, you are not making money from that aircraft.
 
2012-05-03 09:33:49 AM  

namatad: bwhahahahahahahahaha

WHY NOT JUST CHARGE all flights by pound?
period??

bhwhahahaahahahah


that would at least make sense

please bring yourself and your luggage to the scale and we'll compare it to what you claimed you weighed and charge you extra for the overage
 
2012-05-03 09:34:29 AM  

SuperT: Bucky Katt: Instead of all the fees, why don't they just increase fares?

because travelocity, expedia, et all, don't take fees into account when they show a list of tickets. so you have airline choice boiled down to who can charge 1 cent less and show up at the top of that list. and pax wonder why the service sucks.


That's only part of it. The federal money that goes to improve airport infrastructure as well as the ATC system comes from a 7.5% tax on the price of an airline ticket. Ancillary fees are not included, so beside the fact they get to show up at the top of a fare search, they get to dodge some taxes that help pay for the infrastructure they use to run their business.

Ain't America great?!

/Fark yeah!
 
2012-05-03 09:48:13 AM  
Spirit airlines is the worst airline I've ever had the displeasure of being forced to fly on (work related booking snafu...only flight available). The legroom was laughable...me and the dude next to me literally could not get our knees out of the back of the seats in front of us. Flight attendants were rude. AC on the plane hardly worked. And now, this? F*CK that airline.
 
2012-05-03 09:48:34 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Luggage fees don't really affect many business travelers, as they often travel with only carry-ons. It won't take long for business travel systems factor carry-on fees like this into the overall fare. Net result - fewer business travelers, and sooner or later, vacationers will wise up too.

And seeing as business travelers are the only one who show any sort of loyalty or reliably pay any sort of premium schedule convenience, they'll lose the most profitable customers in the airline industry.

Soooo... good luck with that. I'm sure they know what they're doing.



Fly much?

Any customer that has loyalty or pays premium has status.

People with status don't pay fees like the other self-adjusting ballast.

My status entitles me to 3 checked bags, two carry-ons and a brief-case before I pay a fee. Plus my bags can be heavier before a weight charge kicks in.
 
2012-05-03 09:48:36 AM  

digistil: I don't think business travelers are flying Spirit. And I don't this fee being applied to many airlines as they realize what you typed would be true.


I get that. I just have to wonder who the hell would fly Spirit if they knew about these fees. I mean, if the goal is to make everyone pay an extra $100 per round trip ticket, you have to rely on the fact that most people either don't know about the fee (in which case, they'll eventually wise up and factor it into the overall price), or the $100 doesn't make your ticket more expensive than your competitors (in which case, you might as well have included it in the fare).

Luggage fees makes sense - without fees travelers without luggage are paying for a service they're not using. Carryon fees don't make sense at all - everyone has them. You might as well put the fee in the fare
 
2012-05-03 09:50:26 AM  

dumbobruni: why do people keep using this airline?!

are the fares that much cheaper even with this new $100 fee?


No, but people don't pay attention and get suckered.
 
2012-05-03 10:09:02 AM  
I don't get the biatching about this. I'm flying United next week and only get one free back. Second one is 140 dollars round trip. The next cheapest airfare was 250 dollars more, so even with the bag fee I'm still 110 dollars ahead. Just take the extra five minutes to read the pricing sheet and figure what else you'll have to buy on top of the base airfare.

/everyone wants al la carte cable
//no one wants al la carte travel
 
2012-05-03 10:13:53 AM  
All those travel websites tend to hide these fees. Know what would be a great differentiation among Expedia, Travelocity, Orbitz, etc.? If you could just plug in your various a la carte features (how much luggage, carry-ons, food, Internet, etc.,) that you'll be using and have them give you a total, bottom-line price so you can easily compare airline costs.

If any of them did this, I'd immediately stop using their competitors (except Hotwire and Priceline because they offer different services).
 
2012-05-03 10:16:05 AM  

padraig: lucksi: The only crap I have to deal with, is that I can check 2 bags for free with a weight limit of 20 kg each. You might think you could check one bag that is 25 or 30 kg instead of 2 at 20kg, but nooooo. Those are the rules and boy do we stick to them.

Supposedly it's because it's far easier to handle by the bagage handlers, and I can kind of see that.

Although I seem to remember being allowed 2 x 37 kilos before. Am I dreaming that ? (AtlantaParis flights)


It depends on the carrier. I could take 32 kg bags when flying in business or first. Cattle class is 20kg.
 
2012-05-03 10:20:57 AM  
It's time for the FAA to step in and put an end to this nonsense which really amounts to highway robbery of those who don't read the fine print.

Either require all published airline fares to include the cost of a carry-on bage and prominently feature their other luggage fees, or Simply say that a standard airline ticket entitles a passenger to a seat and a single carry-on item. In the meantime all the Fare comparison sites like Orbitz and Kayak should ask you how much luggage you are taking and calulate the TOTAL fee for a particular flight

If the FAA can give the airlines all sorts of special protections from liability when they lose luggage, they can also protect passengers from ridiculous fees
 
2012-05-03 10:22:11 AM  

Magorn: It's time for the FAA to step in and put an end to this nonsense which really amounts to highway robbery of those who don't read the fine print.

Either require all published airline fares to include the cost of a carry-on bage and prominently feature their other luggage fees, or Simply say that a standard airline ticket entitles a passenger to a seat and a single carry-on item. In the meantime all the Fare comparison sites like Orbitz and Kayak should ask you how much luggage you are taking and calulate the TOTAL fee for a particular flight

If the FAA can give the airlines all sorts of special protections from liability when they lose luggage, they can also protect passengers from ridiculous fees


That's the answer. No need to use a government hammer on something like this.
 
2012-05-03 10:33:05 AM  
CSB time: flying to the US on Iceland Air soon, economy airfare includes two checked bags up to 23 kg each.

Air France has an allowance of one checked bag on flights within Europe; on the past several trips I have taken Air France has been cheaper than the discounters once you add on fees (Easyjet, Pegasus, Veuling, etc), has real legroom (i'm 6ft 1 and comfy in Economy), and feeds you for free on flights longer than 2 hours.

not as cheap as Ryanair, but Ryanair doesn't fly out of Paris. It flies out of Beuvais, which is 80km away from the western edge of the city.
 
2012-05-03 11:19:37 AM  

ha-ha-guy: //no one wants al la carte travel


I don't mind luggage fees. I nearly never have luggage - I don't necessarily want to pay for luggage handling for the 99% of flights that I don't use the service. Food and beverage is a service I don't usually use either - I fall asleep at wheels up, and am out for at least 3 hours.

They get away with luggage fees because business travelers don't usually have luggage. But the carryon fee is a blatant scam to hide the true price of the flight since everybody has a carry-on. It's been noted that Spirit doesn't attract business travelers, and implied that they don't want to attract business travelers. I can't imagine that the latter is true, but they're sure acting that way.
 
2012-05-03 11:20:12 AM  
I love flying but I hate airlines. Between the crap at airports and al the hidden fees I am glad I dont have to travel. I would pay a flat fee for a ticket if it included all the hidden garbage. But I guess priceline and sites like that would always have those fares posted lowest on the list. The last time I was supposed to fly was to Atlanta last August for some dumb award ceremony for my job. Im glad I didnt go because that was when that cat 1 hurricane was going up the coast and I was worried about my folks and brother. So I would have ditched anyways. Also hate Atalnta last 2 times I was there almost got robbed and my friend got stabbed.
 
2012-05-03 11:31:29 AM  

Magorn: It's time for the FAA to step in and put an end to this nonsense which really amounts to highway robbery of those who don't read the fine print.

Either require all published airline fares to include the cost of a carry-on bage and prominently feature their other luggage fees, or Simply say that a standard airline ticket entitles a passenger to a seat and a single carry-on item. In the meantime all the Fare comparison sites like Orbitz and Kayak should ask you how much luggage you are taking and calulate the TOTAL fee for a particular flight

If the FAA can give the airlines all sorts of special protections from liability when they lose luggage, they can also protect passengers from ridiculous fees


Kayak does this..has for awhile now. Just click "add baggage" on the left after you run your flight search. Then it updates the search with baggage fees included.
 
2012-05-03 11:40:01 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Spirit airlines is the worst airline I've ever had the displeasure of being forced to fly on (work related booking snafu...only flight available). The legroom was laughable...me and the dude next to me literally could not get our knees out of the back of the seats in front of us. Flight attendants were rude. AC on the plane hardly worked. And now, this? F*CK that airline.


Planes don't have AC - it's like -40 up there at 30,000 feet.
 
2012-05-03 11:56:00 AM  

HempHead: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Spirit airlines is the worst airline I've ever had the displeasure of being forced to fly on (work related booking snafu...only flight available). The legroom was laughable...me and the dude next to me literally could not get our knees out of the back of the seats in front of us. Flight attendants were rude. AC on the plane hardly worked. And now, this? F*CK that airline.

Planes don't have AC - it's like -40 up there at 30,000 feet.


Yeah, just open a window if you're warm.
 
2012-05-03 12:12:19 PM  

bikerbob59: Kevin72: First the TSA, and now this. That is why I've been traveling by the Greyhound bus. And enjoying it. I bring along Ambien for the overnights.

Jesus Christ dude. You've never had an Ambien moment. Well, just don't have it at 30,000 feet. Put this in your head for next time....it's OK to open the doors on airplanes.


Nope. Nothing fancy. Me and Ambien get along real well. It puts me to sleep, then I wake up. Redeye flights, Greyhound overnights, midnight transpacific flights, and nights at home when I'm not falling asleep. I wonder if people Ambiening in their sleep are so self-willed or is it an urban myth.
 
2012-05-03 12:13:51 PM  

MBrady: Then put the fee in the fair, and enfore the carryon size. It's human nature for people to try and bypass paying any sort of fee. What did the airlines think people would do when they instituted the baggage fees? Typical corporate thinking is that people will pay them. Did they not think that people would try and bypass those fees by putting their luggage in the overhead compartments?


I don't check luggage because it's inconvenient and risky. Cost has nothing to do with it - I'd be reimbursed in any case.
 
2012-05-03 12:24:06 PM  

HempHead: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Spirit airlines is the worst airline I've ever had the displeasure of being forced to fly on (work related booking snafu...only flight available). The legroom was laughable...me and the dude next to me literally could not get our knees out of the back of the seats in front of us. Flight attendants were rude. AC on the plane hardly worked. And now, this? F*CK that airline.

Planes don't have AC - it's like -40 up there at 30,000 feet.



Planes have AC. They also spend a significant amount of time on the ground.
 
2012-05-03 12:30:08 PM  

digistil: Babwa Wawa: Luggage fees don't really affect many business travelers, as they often travel with only carry-ons. It won't take long for business travel systems factor carry-on fees like this into the overall fare. Net result - fewer business travelers, and sooner or later, vacationers will wise up too.

And seeing as business travelers are the only one who show any sort of loyalty or reliably pay any sort of premium schedule convenience, they'll lose the most profitable customers in the airline industry.

Soooo... good luck with that. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

I don't think business travelers are flying Spirit. And I don't this fee being applied to many airlines as they realize what you typed would be true.


I travel very often on business - I wouldn't fly Spirit unless there was a gun to my head. I'm a United guy - 1K for 2 years now.

Lupine Chemist: Ed Willy: //Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?

Security isn't as ridiculous but have you never heard of Ryanair? Notorious for fees, but thankfully if your carryon fits within their magic box when everyone is lined up like cattle to get on the plane, you don't have to pay that fee. And you know, forget reclining seats, those are way too expensive.

And flying is still almost always cheaper than train still. Granted I don't live in the super densely populated northern part of the continent.

/hope you like your flight crew selling lotto tickets


I flew Ryanair from Stockholm to London (Stansted) and back a few times. If it fits it ships - and tickets where 20$ at the time (3 years ago). I managed to cram my wife's bag into the box and they were happy. The difficulty was sitting there surrounded by gargantuan Swedes for the flight.
 
2012-05-03 12:56:05 PM  

Carth: Lupine Chemist: Ed Willy: //Eurofarkers, you don't have to deal with this shiat, right?

Security isn't as ridiculous but have you never heard of Ryanair? Notorious for fees, but thankfully if your carryon fits within their magic box when everyone is lined up like cattle to get on the plane, you don't have to pay that fee. And you know, forget reclining seats, those are way too expensive.

And flying is still almost always cheaper than train still. Granted I don't live in the super densely populated northern part of the continent.

/hope you like your flight crew selling lotto tickets

We're going from Paris to Barcelona this summer and the train ticket was twice as expensive as flying. I felt like I was back in the States.


We get the same BS up here in Canada, almost exactly twice the cost.
 
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