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(Gizmodo)   Meet the bastard who made chip bags impossible to open   (gizmodo.com) divider line 70
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2012-05-02 10:30:41 PM  
Japan has this problem beat hands down. 90% of their sealed goods, and they have a TON of those, are sealed with a triangular notch about 5mm deep a centimeter into the seal. You can easily rip into then.
 
2012-05-02 10:43:10 PM  
On the other hand, this guy has probably saved me having diabetes (I give up easily)
 
2012-05-02 11:31:25 PM  
DIE BAG SEALER!

i922.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-02 11:43:49 PM  
just design a big bag that tears to both corners.
 
2012-05-02 11:58:27 PM  
I don't have any problem opening chips. Maybe you guys are just pussies.
 
2012-05-03 12:40:58 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I don't have any problem opening chips. Maybe you guys are just pussies.


Meow?
 
2012-05-03 03:18:36 AM  
i00.i.aliimg.com

Bagged chips are for savages.
 
2012-05-03 03:58:08 AM  

9beers: Bagged chips are for savages.


Yes. I, too, prefer the taste of reconstituted paste deep fried in discarded grease.

lays may not be much better but at least kettle chips and the like resemble potatoes.
 
2012-05-03 04:10:36 AM  
The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag. And so they needed a stronger seal from us, which was then passed down to me.


umm. east of the rockies?
 
2012-05-03 04:18:14 AM  

starlost: The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag. And so they needed a stronger seal from us, which was then passed down to me.


umm. east of the rockies?


He was half in the bag.
 
2012-05-03 04:24:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I don't have any problem opening chips. Maybe you guys are just pussies.


Ditto. I wasn't aware anyone had trouble opening them. Grab either broad side and separate gently at top.
 
2012-05-03 04:38:20 AM  

9beers: [i00.i.aliimg.com image 448x336]

Bagged chips are for savages.


You've got Sour Cream and Onion twice.
 
2012-05-03 04:40:45 AM  
I only hate the guy who invented that sealed plastic case that electronics usually come in, where you have to suffer at least one severed finger before getting in properly.
 
2012-05-03 04:42:56 AM  

Wayne 985: Lionel Mandrake: I don't have any problem opening chips. Maybe you guys are just pussies.

Ditto. I wasn't aware anyone had trouble opening them. Grab either broad side and separate gently at top.


Or, failing that...

everythingpackaged.com
 
2012-05-03 04:43:14 AM  

Wayne 985: Lionel Mandrake: I don't have any problem opening chips. Maybe you guys are just pussies.

Ditto. I wasn't aware anyone had trouble opening them. Grab either broad side and separate gently at top.


I don't have a problem with chip bags, but the plastic sleeves inside a box of Kellogg's Raisin Bran, sometimes those bastards seem like they're sealed with the kind of rivets used in bridge building. Not all the time mind you, but about twice a year I end up either tearing the bag or ripping it open with such force that half the cereal ends up on my kitchen floor.

/never occurs to me until it's too late to just get out the scissors
//shouldn't make breakfast when I'm still half asleep
///Garden Salsa Sun Chips FTW
 
2012-05-03 04:44:29 AM  
FTFA
"The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag."


So, the quoted "guy you want to hate" thinks that California is even higher than the continental divide? No wonder he/she sucks as an engineer. Next up, Tang packaged below sea level, and why your mac and cheese may boil but not cook at 14,000 feet.
 
2012-05-03 05:01:45 AM  

9beers: [i00.i.aliimg.com image 448x336]

Bagged chips are for savages.


and about half the price of Pringles, and produce less waste.
 
2012-05-03 05:14:55 AM  
Wait, people think chip bags are difficult to open?
 
2012-05-03 05:15:14 AM  

Smallberries: FTFA
"The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag."

So, the quoted "guy you want to hate" thinks that California is even higher than the continental divide? No wonder he/she sucks as an engineer. Next up, Tang packaged below sea level, and why your mac and cheese may boil but not cook at 14,000 feet.


I hate it when people villify someone for an honest slip up. Lays main plant, if the internet is to be trusted, is in CA.(of course, the article doesn't specifically state that he worked for lays, always, carefully, "the client")
He even explained the principle right, just juxtaposed the two locations. OMG stop the presses, call CNN, and start winding a noose! He BELIEVES steadfastly every iota of what he wrote!

Get a grip. He's a technical expert on polymers, you expect him to not slip his geography up writing a story for gizmodo about a company he doesn't know much about aside from their technical needs? No no, you go one better and state that he actually thinks CA is high altitude...

You fail at occam's razor.
 
2012-05-03 05:25:59 AM  
The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag

How does high-altitude air (lower pressure) end up breaking the bag when it gets to California (higher pressure)? If anything it would cause the bag to collapse inward, not inflate and burst.
 
2012-05-03 05:26:06 AM  

doglover: Japan has this problem beat hands down. 90% of their sealed goods, and they have a TON of those, are sealed with a triangular notch about 5mm deep a centimeter into the seal. You can easily rip into then.


I know, right? And almost every canned good has a pop top. Why can't America join Japan in this simple fix?

And I love buying a bag of shampoo/soap/sauce instead of having to buy a whole new bottle that'll just end up in the trash.
 
2012-05-03 05:34:10 AM  

DeltaPunch: The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag

How does high-altitude air (lower pressure) end up breaking the bag when it gets to California (higher pressure)? If anything it would cause the bag to collapse inward, not inflate and burst.


I think he meant that the plant is east of the rockies and the bags ballooned/popped cresting the continental divide. I think...
 
2012-05-03 05:40:13 AM  
Lick the crap off your fingers between bags subby and I bet you'll have an easier time.
 
2012-05-03 05:42:12 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Smallberries: FTFA
"The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag."

So, the quoted "guy you want to hate" thinks that California is even higher than the continental divide? No wonder he/she sucks as an engineer. Next up, Tang packaged below sea level, and why your mac and cheese may boil but not cook at 14,000 feet.

I hate it when people villify someone for an honest slip up. Lays main plant, if the internet is to be trusted, is in CA.(of course, the article doesn't specifically state that he worked for lays, always, carefully, "the client")
He even explained the principle right, just juxtaposed the two locations. OMG stop the presses, call CNN, and start winding a noose! He BELIEVES steadfastly every iota of what he wrote!

Get a grip. He's a technical expert on polymers, you expect him to not slip his geography up writing a story for gizmodo about a company he doesn't know much about aside from their technical needs? No no, you go one better and state that he actually thinks CA is high altitude...

You fail at occam's razor.


Occam's razor? OK, given that criterion, he, and you, are an idiot. Since that's far simpler than some geographic miracle.

BTW technical experts on polymers don't confuse up with down. BS artists do.
 
2012-05-03 05:52:48 AM  

Smallberries: BTW technical experts on polymers don't confuse up with down. BS artists do.


You mean like the kind of person who can determine whether something was a slip of the tongue or fraud based on a short article on a web page? Is that the sort of BS artist you're referring to?
 
2012-05-03 06:01:50 AM  
Geek tab + Atlantic ocean made me think

www.lamia.kr

and I was confused. Then I read TFA and I'm glad we don't have any mountains to interfere with my snacking. Seriously, can it be that hard to open a packet of crisps?
 
2012-05-03 06:07:04 AM  

Lizara: Wait, people think chip bags are difficult to open?


I think the problem is "opening them so that the dramatic reduction in resistance once the bag begins to separate doesn't cause the whole bag of chips to spew across the kitchen."
 
2012-05-03 06:21:41 AM  

untaken_name: Smallberries: BTW technical experts on polymers don't confuse up with down. BS artists do.

You mean like the kind of person who can determine whether something was a slip of the tongue or fraud based on a short article on a web page? Is that the sort of BS artist you're referring to?


A slip of the tongue? My, good thing we don't have expectations of accuracy in articles.

Again, the simplest explanation, Occams and all, is that the article writer, and article defenders are, is an idiot.

But please keep proving me correct.
 
2012-05-03 06:25:49 AM  

starlost: The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag. And so they needed a stronger seal from us, which was then passed down to me.


umm. east of the rockies?


Dammit Jim, I'm an engineer not a geographer.

I don't have problems opening bags of potato chips, but for a long while I struggled to open sliced ham and the problem was seemingly getting worse. This is the kind that comes in sandwich sized squares welded inside a clear plastic shell with a black plastic backing. One day I called up the 800 number on the package and said WTF, how the fark are you supposed to open this package? The lady told me she had no idea. I think they actually listened because ever since then they seem to be welded together with less pressure and separate easily.
 
2012-05-03 06:27:11 AM  

starlost: The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag. And so they needed a stronger seal from us, which was then passed down to me.


umm. east of the rockies?


west. The chips won't stay as crisp if you don't cross a mountain range twice.
 
2012-05-03 06:27:17 AM  

ryant123: Wayne 985: Lionel Mandrake: I don't have any problem opening chips. Maybe you guys are just pussies.

Ditto. I wasn't aware anyone had trouble opening them. Grab either broad side and separate gently at top.

Or, failing that...

[everythingpackaged.com image 300x300]


I'm on the open bag with scissors team.
 
2012-05-03 06:30:13 AM  

Happy Hours: starlost: The client's chip-making plants were located west of the Rocky Mountains, so when trucks would drive their chips out to California, some of the seals would open up due to the pressure difference between the high altitude air and the air sealed inside the bag. And so they needed a stronger seal from us, which was then passed down to me.


umm. east of the rockies?

Dammit Jim, I'm an engineer not a geographer.

I don't have problems opening bags of potato chips, but for a long while I struggled to open sliced ham and the problem was seemingly getting worse. This is the kind that comes in sandwich sized squares welded inside a clear plastic shell with a black plastic backing. One day I called up the 800 number on the package and said WTF, how the fark are you supposed to open this package? The lady told me she had no idea. I think they actually listened because ever since then they seem to be welded together with less pressure and separate easily.


Stab the corner of the package with a knife.
 
2012-05-03 06:33:38 AM  

Smallberries:

A slip of the tongue? My, good thing we don't have expectations of accuracy in articles.


You have expectations of accuracy from gizmodo?
 
2012-05-03 06:47:11 AM  
Are you guys having trouble getting into a bag of chips? Aw, cute.

img407.imageshack.us
 
Skr
2012-05-03 06:48:17 AM  
When opening some bags of chips, 14% of the chips will end up on the floor when the bag finally gives way and tears open down the side.

Scientific Fact.
 
2012-05-03 06:49:44 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Stab the corner of the package with a knife.


I had to resort to that a couple of times, but then the flaps do not overlap in the 'fridge so it tends to dry out where the package was stabbed. The point is the packaging is meant to be peeled apart, not cut open.
 
2012-05-03 06:53:48 AM  

Neondistraction: Smallberries:

A slip of the tongue? My, good thing we don't have expectations of accuracy in articles.


You have expectations of accuracy from gizmodo?


Awww, what the hell, who needs standards after all this is FARK.

Ann Rmoney is a poor white girl,

Bevitz is the best defender of religion,

and Sam Donaldson is still a Total Farker.

/and Willy Weaton is a good actor

//and has a chin.
 
2012-05-03 06:55:08 AM  

Happy Hours: AbbeySomeone: Stab the corner of the package with a knife.

I had to resort to that a couple of times, but then the flaps do not overlap in the 'fridge so it tends to dry out where the package was stabbed. The point is the packaging is meant to be peeled apart, not cut open.


In theory. One of the benefits of having a nitrate allergy is avoiding stuff like that.
 
2012-05-03 07:07:08 AM  
Cant say I have ever had a problem opening a bag of crisps (chips to the yanks).
 
2012-05-03 07:11:52 AM  

Smallberries: Neondistraction: Smallberries:

A slip of the tongue? My, good thing we don't have expectations of accuracy in articles.


You have expectations of accuracy from gizmodo?

Awww, what the hell, who needs standards after all this is FARK.

Ann Rmoney is a poor white girl,

Bevitz is the best defender of religion,

and Sam Donaldson is still a Total Farker.

/and Willy Weaton is a good actor

//and has a chin.


Why don't you two ladies take it into the girls' room and swap tampons or whatever you do to work off menstrual tension.
 
2012-05-03 07:13:05 AM  
Oh Jebus. Just grab it from the sides and pull. How stupid are people?
 
2012-05-03 07:29:47 AM  

Slaxl: I only hate the guy who invented that sealed plastic case that electronics usually come in, where you have to suffer at least one severed finger before getting in properly.


No shiat. Why are we going after the chip bag man when this monster still roams the earth? I shouldn't need scissors, a diamond saw, dynamite, the defensive line of the '85 Chicago Bears, a pack mule, a team of ninjas and the Hulk just to get to my $40 set of headphones.
 
2012-05-03 07:43:41 AM  
Get the rope...
 
2012-05-03 08:28:46 AM  

Old enough to know better: Oh Jebus. Just grab it from the sides and pull. How stupid are people?


I think everybody understands that. The problem is that packaging is getting more difficult to pull apart. I am not a weak person but I am resorting to scissors more and more often. I have yet to have a problem with chip bags but cereal and cracker bags seem to have gotten significantly harder to open in recent years.
 
2012-05-03 08:50:41 AM  
So one of the options was to reduce the amount of inert gas fed into the bag, they didn't have a pressure regulator on the Nitrogen feed? Seriously, they spent (presumably) thousands to pay this clown to invent a new process, when they could have paid the line operator pennies to take the pressure from 10psi to 7psi?
 
2012-05-03 08:59:49 AM  
I've worked on those machines and sealed bags before. The only time it's difficult is if the person on that line is filling it up with too much air so you can't pull it apart. Blame it on the workers not on the design.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: So one of the options was to reduce the amount of inert gas fed into the bag, they didn't have a pressure regulator on the Nitrogen feed? Seriously, they spent (presumably) thousands to pay this clown to invent a new process, when they could have paid the line operator pennies to take the pressure from 10psi to 7psi?


They only use nitrogen when the bags are going to be flown to higher altitude like Denver. Other than that it's straight air. But yes all the operator has to do is dial down the pressure.
 
2012-05-03 09:26:18 AM  

Tobin_Lam:

I think everybody understands that. The problem is that packaging is getting more difficult to pull apart. I am not a weak person but I am resorting to scissors more and more often. I have yet to have a problem with chip bags but cereal and cracker bags seem to have gotten significantly harder to open in recent years.




Hmm, guess I'm buying the wrong brands of chips. I've never encountered a problem.

Otoh, I do run into this a lot with the inner bag of breakfast cereals.
 
2012-05-03 09:32:42 AM  
Does anyone proofread anymore?
 
2012-05-03 09:51:18 AM  

TNel: I've worked on those machines and sealed bags before. The only time it's difficult is if the person on that line is filling it up with too much air so you can't pull it apart. Blame it on the workers not on the design.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: So one of the options was to reduce the amount of inert gas fed into the bag, they didn't have a pressure regulator on the Nitrogen feed? Seriously, they spent (presumably) thousands to pay this clown to invent a new process, when they could have paid the line operator pennies to take the pressure from 10psi to 7psi?

They only use nitrogen when the bags are going to be flown to higher altitude like Denver. Other than that it's straight air. But yes all the operator has to do is dial down the pressure.


The extra air in the bag is what keeps the chips from becoming powder during shipping and handling.

The choices were: make the packaging suck more or make the product suck more.
 
2012-05-03 10:04:46 AM  
www.foodservicedirect.com

Bag rips every time, but that's probably because of the fervor that i open them with.
 
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