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2012-05-02 06:15:19 PM  
Holy hell, LOL!
 
2012-05-02 06:19:39 PM  
That was pretty egregious right there.

I'd argue soccer needs instant replay more than any other sport right now.
 
2012-05-02 06:20:01 PM  
Ump was in completely the wrong spot.

And that was not the 27th out of Armando Galarraga's perfect game.
 
2012-05-02 06:22:45 PM  
I'm all for instant replay in baseball, except for arguing balls and strikes. Either give each coach two challenges per game or have an ump sitting in the press box watching video replays.
 
2012-05-02 06:23:54 PM  
No, baseball does not need instant replay, it would make the game 5 hours long. But the base runner should be able to appeal the call to the home plate umpire. Of course even that could get tricky if another runner is on his way to the plate.
 
2012-05-02 06:26:22 PM  

violentsalvation: No, baseball does not need instant replay, it would make the game 5 hours long. But the base runner should be able to appeal the call to the home plate umpire. Of course even that could get tricky if another runner is on his way to the plate.


It would have to be selective in use. I think there should be a dedicated replay official in a booth, activated on close calls like that only, and they can take over the fair/foul HR job. They would NOT review balls/strikes, that would be idiotic, and only be used on close plays. It would be automatic, and if dedicated, quick.
 
2012-05-02 06:26:40 PM  

violentsalvation: No, baseball does not need instant replay, it would make the game 5 hours long.


This call would have been corrected in less time than it took for the manager to argue with the ump.
 
2012-05-02 06:28:21 PM  
That's a pretty farking wide "neighborhood," dude.
 
2012-05-02 06:29:58 PM  
Christ almighty, that was ridiculous. On the other hand, it was the Dodgers who were victimized by that awful call, so I'm having a hard time feeling bad about it.
 
2012-05-02 06:34:32 PM  
No.

Saw the same thing happen on a double play... about twenty years ago. (and the player was further off the base than that one) Sometimes shiat happens
 
2012-05-02 06:35:41 PM  

BunkyBrewman: No.

Saw the same thing happen on a double play... about twenty years ago. (and the player was further off the base than that one) Sometimes shiat happens


So you'd be fine with it had this been the final out in game 7 of the World Series?
 
2012-05-02 06:38:18 PM  
shiatty calls are shiatty calls. Umpires were told to huddle more on calls rather than use instant replay. It's basically so an umpire can say "fark, I blew that call. Lets talk it over real quick and get it right." However older umps don't like to do that.
 
2012-05-02 07:16:16 PM  
As the announcers said we probably just saw what will be the worst call all season. And that's why the current system is just fine, mistakes like this are rare.
 
2012-05-02 07:17:56 PM  
I have come to the realization that Baseball umpires are even more blind than professional wrestling referees (and that is a scripted sport of all things)
 
2012-05-02 07:53:34 PM  

BunkyBrewman: No.
Saw the same thing happen on a double play... about twenty years ago. (and the player was further off the base than that one) Sometimes shiat happens


Are you talking about the putout on the front end of the DP at second base, or the finish of the DP at first? Because if you're talking about the play at second, the player (SS or 2B) making the putout is always given wide latitute for a "neighborhood" putout on that play, to protect him from being spiked or otherwise injured by the runner sliding into second trying to break up the DP. This is not the case with the putout at 1B.
 
2012-05-02 07:55:33 PM  

cman: I have come to the realization that Baseball umpires are even more blind than professional wrestling referees (and that is a scripted sport of all things)


lol. that would be funny if other players could stage run-ins on the base paths to distract the refs.
 
2012-05-02 08:00:43 PM  

Cyberluddite: BunkyBrewman: No.
Saw the same thing happen on a double play... about twenty years ago. (and the player was further off the base than that one) Sometimes shiat happens

Are you talking about the putout on the front end of the DP at second base, or the finish of the DP at first? Because if you're talking about the play at second, the player (SS or 2B) making the putout is always given wide latitute for a "neighborhood" putout on that play, to protect him from being spiked or otherwise injured by the runner sliding into second trying to break up the DP. This is not the case with the putout at 1B.


I've never liked that. They need to touch the base or it shouldn't be an out.
 
2012-05-02 08:10:42 PM  

9beers: I've never liked that. They need to touch the base or it shouldn't be an out.


Yeah, I'm with you on that. And it's a fairly recent phenomenon in baseball history. When I was a kid, the greatest shortstops were the ones whose highlight reels showed lots of examples of them stepping on second ahead of the runner and then jumping in the air to avoid the sliding runner while simultaneosly making the throw to first, and yet still somehow being able to get enough on a throw made in mid-air to turn the DP. It was one of the more exciting infield plays, and you almost never see it in recent years.
 
2012-05-02 08:13:43 PM  

Cyberluddite: 9beers: I've never liked that. They need to touch the base or it shouldn't be an out.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. And it's a fairly recent phenomenon in baseball history. When I was a kid, the greatest shortstops were the ones whose highlight reels showed lots of examples of them stepping on second ahead of the runner and then jumping in the air to avoid the sliding runner while simultaneosly making the throw to first, and yet still somehow being able to get enough on a throw made in mid-air to turn the DP. It was one of the more exciting infield plays, and you almost never see it in recent years.


Jeter used to be magnificent at that, but he can't jump like he used to do.
 
2012-05-02 08:30:48 PM  

Cyberluddite: 9beers: I've never liked that. They need to touch the base or it shouldn't be an out.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. And it's a fairly recent phenomenon in baseball history. When I was a kid, the greatest shortstops were the ones whose highlight reels showed lots of examples of them stepping on second ahead of the runner and then jumping in the air to avoid the sliding runner while simultaneosly making the throw to first, and yet still somehow being able to get enough on a throw made in mid-air to turn the DP. It was one of the more exciting infield plays, and you almost never see it in recent years.


That's a good point. That used to be normal and you never see it anymore.
 
2012-05-02 08:50:11 PM  
baseball is already too long and boring. It doesn't need instant replay to drag it out.
 
2012-05-02 08:51:49 PM  
Having instant replay does not mean jack shiat if the umps just want a call or a game to go a certain way.

thepigskindoctors.com

/Hell yeah I'm still pissed.
 
2012-05-02 09:18:42 PM  

GAT_00: Ump was in completely the wrong spot.

And that was not the 27th out of Armando Galarraga's perfect game.


Not exactly. Galarraga's perfect game got mucked up when the throw beat the runner to the base, and the runner was called safe.
 
2012-05-02 09:20:59 PM  
It needs to not be taken so damn seriously.

/same with other professional sports
//it's just a game
 
2012-05-02 10:07:46 PM  
Having humans use instant replay does not remove the human element from making a call. It only adds more commercials to the game. Y'all got conned.
 
2012-05-02 10:13:17 PM  
Nope. Anything that will put more of this boring-ass sport on tv even more will not have my vote.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-05-02 10:14:25 PM  

BunkyBrewman: No.

Saw the same thing happen on a double play... about twenty years ago. (and the player was further off the base than that one) Sometimes shiat happens


And 20 years ago we all had dial up modems and computers with barely 1 gig of space.

So you are saying we should go back to those days?
 
2012-05-02 10:15:42 PM  
Deadspin posts one actually interesting article in god-knows how long, and they get three greenlights in one day.

Simply amazing.
 
2012-05-02 10:19:41 PM  
Ron Gant concurs, subby.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-02 10:19:55 PM  
Yes.
 
2012-05-02 10:21:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: It needs to not be taken so damn seriously.

/same with other professional sports
//it's just a game


Toss out those rulebooks, every sport is now Calvinball!

/TMLPK's word is LAW
 
2012-05-02 10:32:52 PM  

Barfmaker: As the announcers said we probably just saw what will be the worst call all season. And that's why the current system is just fine, mistakes like this are rare.


larrybrownsports.com

hmmm..
 
2012-05-02 10:33:57 PM  

gameshowhost: Ron Gant concurs, subby.

[i47.tinypic.com image 608x402]


Whatever... Hrbek his momentum carried him off first base.
 
2012-05-02 10:35:09 PM  

9beers: BunkyBrewman: No.

Saw the same thing happen on a double play... about twenty years ago. (and the player was further off the base than that one) Sometimes shiat happens

So you'd be fine with it had this been the final out in game 7 of the World Series?


It didn't happen to the Yankees, so nobody gives a shiat.
 
2012-05-02 10:39:51 PM  
The trouble I see with accepting the view that "shiat happens, move on" in team sports is that you therefore have to accept that there's three teams playing against one another: Home team, visiting team and the umpires.

Umpires together with their associated equipment, e.g. instant replay, should be adjudicators in an athletic contest, not antagonists.
 
2012-05-02 10:40:32 PM  

cman: I have come to the realization that Baseball umpires are even more blind than professional wrestling referees (and that is a scripted sport entertainment event of all things)


Sorry, pro wrestling is not a sport. As you said, it's scripted, the outcomes are determined in advance. There's no actual competition. Yes it requires a great amount of physical ability and there is a risk of serious injury if done wrong, but you could say the same thing about the acrobats in the cirque du soleil and no one calls that a sport.
 
2012-05-02 10:45:01 PM  

9beers: I'm all for instant replay in baseball, except for arguing balls and strikes. Either give each coach two challenges per game or have an ump sitting in the press box watching video replays.


Yep. I would be content if they model it after the NFL (2 challenges plus a bonus one if they are both overturned). The only difference is that there is no natural penalty for getting one wrong. And it could well be used to get your pitcher a break or try to coll off an opponent pitcher (depending on the circumstance).
A booth official constantly reviewing calls, I would worry could result in more delays. But if done properly it should work well.

The key to both of these is efficiency, relying on quickly reviewing calls (unlike some NFL reviews) and not adding commercial breaks. This is more important in the latter with more calls being considered.

The My Little Pony Killer: It needs to not be taken so damn seriously.

/same with other professional sports
//it's just a game


It is an industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Not to mention the betting.
 
2012-05-02 10:45:37 PM  
Tim Welke - third blown call in the past three weeks. First a blown call that cost the Tigers a game. Then a week later he called a pitch right down the middle to Giants batter Angel Pagan a ball (0-2 count, should've been strike 3), next pitch hit for a 3-run homer to beat the Reds. Then this? He needs to go ... old ass umps need to go.

/ rant over
// get off my lawn
 
2012-05-02 10:45:39 PM  

GAT_00: Ump was in completely the wrong spot.

And that was not the 27th out of Armando Galarraga's perfect game.


Have to agree here. It seemed like he could barely move and thus couldn't get in good position, so it is entirely possible that he didn't see where his foot was in relation to the bag. Also, he might have put too much emphasis on the sound of the play, he heard the ball hit the mitt before he heard the foot hit the bag and thus automatically rang the runner up.
 
2012-05-02 10:47:20 PM  

9beers: I'm all for instant replay in baseball, except for arguing balls and strikes. Either give each coach two challenges per game or have an ump sitting in the press box watching video replays.


How's this?
* All plays reviewable (except balls and strikes)
* Manager gets one challenge per game, and keeps it if his call was right
 
2012-05-02 10:48:31 PM  
oh, and the baserunner was Jerry Hairston ... the same Jerry Hairston Tim Welke ejected last year for arguing balls and strikes ... conspiracy?

/probably not
//just sayin'
 
2012-05-02 10:48:35 PM  
If you want to put a guy in a booth with a big red "overrule" button, and 15 seconds after the play to hit the button, that's fine.

No challenges. Then you'll get completely obvious calls challenged just to let a pitcher warm up, or to throw off a pitcher, or something like that.
 
2012-05-02 10:49:28 PM  

Pincy: GAT_00: Ump was in completely the wrong spot.

And that was not the 27th out of Armando Galarraga's perfect game.

Have to agree here. It seemed like he could barely move and thus couldn't get in good position, so it is entirely possible that he didn't see where his foot was in relation to the bag. Also, he might have put too much emphasis on the sound of the play, he heard the ball hit the mitt before he heard the foot hit the bag and thus automatically rang the runner up.


that's why there is also a home plate umpire as long as there isn't a runner running home he should be watching the play at first and be able to overturn an obvious bad call.
 
2012-05-02 10:49:34 PM  

violentsalvation: No, baseball does not need instant replay, it would make the game 5 hours long. But the base runner should be able to appeal the call to the home plate umpire. Of course even that could get tricky if another runner is on his way to the plate.


Cyberluddite: Christ almighty, that was ridiculous. On the other hand, it was the Dodgers who were victimized by that awful call, so I'm having a hard time feeling bad about it.


Both of these.

Huck And Molly Ziegler: The trouble I see with accepting the view that "shiat happens, move on" in team sports is that you therefore have to accept that there's three teams playing against one another: Home team, visiting team and the umpires.

Umpires together with their associated equipment, e.g. instant replay, should be adjudicators in an athletic contest, not antagonists.


This is just a load of hooey. Baseball fans have to accept failure 2 out of 3 times when their favorite player is at the plate. We also accept that umpires make egregious mistakes because they're human beings.
 
2012-05-02 10:52:47 PM  

Mogani: Pincy: GAT_00: Ump was in completely the wrong spot.

And that was not the 27th out of Armando Galarraga's perfect game.

Have to agree here. It seemed like he could barely move and thus couldn't get in good position, so it is entirely possible that he didn't see where his foot was in relation to the bag. Also, he might have put too much emphasis on the sound of the play, he heard the ball hit the mitt before he heard the foot hit the bag and thus automatically rang the runner up.

that's why there is also a home plate umpire as long as there isn't a runner running home he should be watching the play at first and be able to overturn an obvious bad call.


Well, theoretically, yes, but I would guess it would never happen in MLB. Hell, I umpired high school ball for several years and most senior umpires would be pissed if you ever overruled their call without asking for help.
 
2012-05-02 10:55:58 PM  
I always wonder what goes through any ump or ref's mind when they get home, or even during the game they see the replay is sooooo blatantly wrong. Do they feel bad, try to do better next time? Naw, they let the other team get away with a call. It's just balancing out the universe.
 
2012-05-02 10:57:50 PM  
Yes.
3.bp.blogspot.com

Come to think of it, it was this guy who blew the call.
 
2012-05-02 10:58:03 PM  

dywed88: 9beers: I'm all for instant replay in baseball, except for arguing balls and strikes. Either give each coach two challenges per game or have an ump sitting in the press box watching video replays.

Yep. I would be content if they model it after the NFL (2 challenges plus a bonus one if they are both overturned). The only difference is that there is no natural penalty for getting one wrong. And it could well be used to get your pitcher a break or try to coll off an opponent pitcher (depending on the circumstance).
A booth official constantly reviewing calls, I would worry could result in more delays. But if done properly it should work well.

The key to both of these is efficiency, relying on quickly reviewing calls (unlike some NFL reviews) and not adding commercial breaks. This is more important in the latter with more calls being considered.

The My Little Pony Killer: It needs to not be taken so damn seriously.

/same with other professional sports
//it's just a game

It is an industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Not to mention the betting.


Well the punishment could be it count as a mound visit, not equal to a timeout but depending on when the challenge happens could be very costly.
 
2012-05-02 10:58:08 PM  

dywed88: 9beers: I'm all for instant replay in baseball, except for arguing balls and strikes. Either give each coach two challenges per game or have an ump sitting in the press box watching video replays.

Yep. I would be content if they model it after the NFL (2 challenges plus a bonus one if they are both overturned). The only difference is that there is no natural penalty for getting one wrong. And it could well be used to get your pitcher a break or try to coll off an opponent pitcher (depending on the circumstance).
A booth official constantly reviewing calls, I would worry could result in more delays. But if done properly it should work well.

The key to both of these is efficiency, relying on quickly reviewing calls (unlike some NFL reviews) and not adding commercial breaks. This is more important in the latter with more calls being considered.

The My Little Pony Killer: It needs to not be taken so damn seriously.

/same with other professional sports
//it's just a game

It is an industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Not to mention the betting.


Honestly, it is baseball, which is a slow game to begin with, and the number of plays really truly needing to be reviewed is pretty small. They could have 3 guys in NY who do all the games going on.... if someone challenges, they get a skype to look at it on HD replay, and majority rules. Would take 1 minute.
 
2012-05-02 10:58:50 PM  

Rain-Monkey: Having instant replay does not mean jack shiat if the umps just want a call or a game to go a certain way.

[thepigskindoctors.com image 258x300]

/Hell yeah I'm still pissed.


www.desertlamp.com

Me too.
 
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