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(Politico)   Donald Rumsfeld said giving the order to kill Osama Bin Laden was an 'easy call', except when he pulled the plug on a similar raid over fears of infuriating Pakistan   (politico.com ) divider line
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2012-05-03 12:46:25 AM  
5 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Mark Ratner: The article said it was for a meeting of top Al Qaeda people, but they don't mention that Bin Laden was one of theim. Also, they say the mission ballooned from a small number of elite special forces to a few hundred military personell.

Rumsfeld gets a pass from me on this, sorry to say.

Why did Rummy allow it to balloon?


you don't perform the snatch and grab raids that you want, you perform the snatch and grab raids that you have.
2012-05-03 04:16:49 AM  
3 votes:
The man talks like he has a paper asshole.
2012-05-02 11:44:46 PM  
2 votes:
They must feel small inside when a community organizer and college professor has killed more terrorists in 3 years than they did in 8.
2012-05-03 10:08:38 AM  
1 vote:

Jake Havechek: We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat.


--interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC News This Week, March 30, 2003


I'm a big fan of the "known unknowns" line.

[T]here are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we do not know we don't know.

It's almost poetry.
2012-05-03 10:04:54 AM  
1 vote:
Oh look. It's one of the most thoroughly discredited former cabinet ministers in American history, the guy hated by and hating even the guy who hired him, flapping his mouth.

You can go ahead and retire or die or shriek, "I'M MELTING! MELLLLTING! OH WHAT A WORLD!" now, Donny. The flying monkeys are not afraid of you any longer. You are the Unknown Unknown.
2012-05-03 09:13:32 AM  
1 vote:
Look, guys, the important thing is that if something hypothetical had happened, YOU LIBS would be acting very poorly indeed.
2012-05-03 08:50:54 AM  
1 vote:

Jake Havechek: Sorry, but this one is just too good to pass up:

To: Free ThinkerNY
This piece of garbage had to be hauled off a golf course, and then sat there looking very pissed that he couldn't finish his round. And now, this foreign born, illegal alien is doing the "me me me me" thing that was done superbly by our military.

This man is the height (or depth) of being disgusting.
3 posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2012 2:15:28 PM by laweeks
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2012-05-03 08:24:47 AM  
1 vote:

keylock71: The stunning hypocrisy on display from the GOP over this issue is immensely entertaining...

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"It's just not fair!!! killing foreigners is our thing!!!"


Yeah, this is a life and death thing for them. They've held on to that political turf for so long, to lose it is to nearly lose their identity.

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He's be-boppin' and scatin' all over me and IM LOSIN' IT!

2012-05-03 08:10:40 AM  
1 vote:
The stunning hypocrisy on display from the GOP over this issue is immensely entertaining...

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"It's just not fair!!! killing foreigners is our thing!!!"
2012-05-03 07:54:07 AM  
1 vote:

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.

You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this and publicized it for cheap politics like this, the same cheerleaders would be the first critics, but because Obama is on our team you just let it pass. This partisan shiat is gonna destroy our country.


Would you have felt better if Obama had made the announcement on the deck of an aircraft carrier, with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished" behind him?
2012-05-03 07:23:35 AM  
1 vote:
I sometimes think Rummy is a douchebag.
These times are the same as when I think about Rumsfeld.
2012-05-03 07:16:57 AM  
1 vote:

NewportBarGuy: The veracity of the argument is that f*ckstick has the temerity to say that anyone would have done what Obama did when Rummy couldn't find his ass with both hands, a map and a 12-digit grid.


His ass is a known unknown
2012-05-03 03:57:33 AM  
1 vote:
him and cheney still being alive is proof enough for me that god is not real
2012-05-03 01:18:04 AM  
1 vote:

Mark Ratner: but wasn't this before the expanded use of drone strikes in Pakistan?


It doesn't matter because the important distinction is that Rummy and Bush said they'd respect the sovereignty of Pakistan. They would NEVER have approved the mission because of fealty to Pakistani concerns. The badasses in talk refused to impugn on their broseph to achieve tactical goals. Therefore, his point is moot. He never would have approved a mission, Bush never would have authorized the mission, and Romney needs to just find a f*cking sports team to destroy, because he ain't going to be President.

It could have been one guy... Rambo. Even then, Rumrunner would have nixed it. He didn't want to piss off Pakistan because Musharraf was under the gun with his Teahadists. Turns out, they never really gave a f*ck about our plans, they were just arming the other guys for our eventual withdrawal. Rummy backed the people who supply arms that kill our own people because he subscribes to decades-old foreign policy initiatives. Even the walking-drunks at the state department know more than he does about the best course of action.
2012-05-03 01:07:29 AM  
1 vote:

Cagey B: Donald Rumsfeld is a genuinely despicable human being. He was one of the largest enablers of a pointless waste of lives that served only to fatten the wallets of his friends. He has done nothing but bring misery and death into the world. And there are people who think this bag of shiat is a hero.

He should be in f*cking jail, not polluting the discourse with yet more idiocy.


and if that isn't enough, he went about all of that while acting like a really smarmy dickbag.
2012-05-03 12:53:48 AM  
1 vote:

Mark Ratner: Also, they say the mission ballooned from a small number of elite special forces to a few hundred military personell.


You mean overwatch? Actually having cover when doing a mission? 75th Ranger Regiment stands ready to pull security for SFOD-A and D teams and SEALs now have a Force Recon Team to call upon. They can be a pretty large force in comparison to individual teams. If the military leadership determines the best course of action is to have support, depending on the mission, you can't dismiss that out of hand without knowing the facts.

Too many lives at risk? I'd want to see the OPORD before making that determination. Old Rumbag f*cked up so many things I'd doubt the sky was blue if he told me so, or any of his enablers.

The veracity of the argument is that f*ckstick has the temerity to say that anyone would have done what Obama did when Rummy couldn't find his ass with both hands, a map and a 12-digit grid.
2012-05-03 12:23:18 AM  
1 vote:
I guess in this case all the unknowns were known to Rummy, unlike all those pesky unknown unknowns when he was running the show at Defense. Maybe this is why he had to fall on his sword the day after the midterm elections in 2006?
2012-05-02 11:46:19 PM  
1 vote:
It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.
2012-05-02 09:13:04 PM  
1 vote:
So was sending 1/3 of the force you needed to secure a nation the size of California. That was an easy call, right asshole?

I hope you get ass cancer and die a horrifically slow death in front of your crying family.

Signed,

Former employee
 
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