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(Politico)   Donald Rumsfeld said giving the order to kill Osama Bin Laden was an 'easy call', except when he pulled the plug on a similar raid over fears of infuriating Pakistan   (politico.com) divider line 146
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2012-05-03 06:45:25 AM

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.

You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this and publicized it for cheap politics like this, the same cheerleaders would be the first critics, but because Obama is on our team you just let it pass. This partisan shiat is gonna destroy our country.


What are you complaining about? This is one of the perks of being the incumbent President. Good things that happen on your watch, you get credit for, even IF your involvement was nothing more than giving an order. And you also are blamed for anything bad that happens, even if it is beyond your control (ex: gas prices). Past Republican administrations played up their accomplishments, and future ones will too.

Frankly, this whole line of argument just makes today's GOP look more like whiny biatches than they already are.
 
2012-05-03 06:51:26 AM
Fark You, Rummy.
 
2012-05-03 06:54:07 AM

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.

You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this and publicized it for cheap politics like this, the same cheerleaders would be the first critics, but because Obama is on our team you just let it pass. This partisan shiat is gonna destroy our country.


You are insane if you don't see who's responsible for 99% of divisiveness currently at play in American politics.

Also you really think Dems wouldn't be happy if a Rep killed Osama Bin Laden?

Dems rallied around Bush after 9/11.

Republicans dismissed Obama accomplishments after OBL got taken down.

Give your head a shake and try to get those three metal balls back in those holes and then try thinking your post through again.
 
2012-05-03 06:59:02 AM

Aar1012: WTF Indeed: They must feel small inside when a community organizer and college professor has killed more terrorists in 3 years than they did in 8.

I wonder what the reaction would be if the current GOP was in Congress and in power during World War II. How they would react when Pearl Harbor was bombed, D-Day happened, Truman dropped the bomb, etc?


After Midway: How dare the President act on intelligence from our codebreakers? That lets the enemy know that we broke their code!

After Stalingrad: We let the Soviets take the lead!

After Battle of the Bulge: OMG we should have accepted a negotiated peace with the Nazis!

After Hiroshima: We should have dropped more bombs!

After Nagasaki: Told you so!
 
2012-05-03 07:08:53 AM

Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.


Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.


Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.



There is not a bag of dicks big enough for Rummy to eat.
 
2012-05-03 07:16:57 AM

NewportBarGuy: The veracity of the argument is that f*ckstick has the temerity to say that anyone would have done what Obama did when Rummy couldn't find his ass with both hands, a map and a 12-digit grid.


His ass is a known unknown
 
2012-05-03 07:19:40 AM

The_Great_Hambino: Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.

Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.

Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.


There is not a bag of dicks big enough for Rummy to eat.


I would wish 4 Dick's Deluxes on him a day until he died of dehydration and/or ass cancer. The real cruelty of that is the first two at least will taste great. But what comes later....well has anyone asked where Jr. Seau went for dinner?
 
2012-05-03 07:22:22 AM

Arkanaut: NewportBarGuy: The veracity of the argument is that f*ckstick has the temerity to say that anyone would have done what Obama did when Rummy couldn't find his ass with both hands, a map and a 12-digit grid.

His ass is a known unknown


[ilol'd]

/Funnied.

So to sum up this thread for people just joining...

Donald Rumsfeld: Monday morning QBing is easy sauce.

Rest of us: STFU Donald, you cock!
 
2012-05-03 07:23:29 AM

Mentat: It's always an easy call when you don't have to accept the responsibility for the act.


Rummy hasn't ever accepted responsibility for anything that failed. Common among retreads from the Nixon administration who were mysteriously tapped by Bush the Lesser for positions of power.
 
2012-05-03 07:23:35 AM
I sometimes think Rummy is a douchebag.
These times are the same as when I think about Rumsfeld.
 
2012-05-03 07:26:30 AM
He would have made the right decision had some brigadier general put the right $!@^ing Bible verse on the cover of the report.

/I blame the general.
 
2012-05-03 07:29:44 AM
If they're turning to one of the most hated figures of the Bush years, they must be running out of warm bodies to run interference on this.

I mean, the guy resigned in disgrace from the farking Bush administration. That's a hardcore fark up.
 
2012-05-03 07:33:56 AM

NobleHam: The Democrats have bungled the last few days as usual. The talking point shouldn't be Obama making the tough decision, it should be Obama having the drive to make finding bin Laden a priority. It's too easy for Republicans to say, "anyone would have made that call" once he had been located. But Obama focused on finding bin Laden from day one, as he said he would during his campaign, while the Republicans mocked him and said there were more important things to do. Now, the Republicans are free to trot that debate out again and say that while getting bin Laden was good, other things should have taken priority, but of course that would be a futile argument.


Interestingly , the NBC news show last night that told the story of the three or four days over which the strike was being rolled out made that point - that Obama had, from his early days of campaigning, told everyone - including the Pakistani - that he'd be hitting Osama Bin Laden wherever he was - even if it meant crossing into Pakistan. When asked if the phone call to the President of Pakistan was awkward, he cited this fact and said that no, it wasn't as difficult as it might have been, because he'd been consistent and unwavering and undeterred by political considerations.

It also made it clear that this wasn't strictly an assassination mission - they had planned to transport him alive back to Afghanistan - but it simply didn't work out that way, and the President himself said "We didn't really expect a man like him would come along peacefully, but we had plans to handle it if he had"
 
2012-05-03 07:40:33 AM
We get it, your hindsight is perfect.
 
2012-05-03 07:42:13 AM
The real thing that gets under Republican skin is that--much like the economy-a Democrat cleaned up a Republican's mess, showing that Democrats are a thousand times better at leadership and doing what they say they will do than a Republican. The only things the Republicans can do is make excuses, which is what all of them are doing with this Bin Laden biatching.

So America has only one choice to vote for from this day forward: the Democrats, who manage to finish things, or Republicans, who manage to bungle and fail at their own goals. The Republicans are failures, plain and simple.
 
2012-05-03 07:43:47 AM

rubi_con_man: Obama had, from his early days of campaigning, told everyone - including the Pakistani - that he'd be hitting Osama Bin Laden wherever he was - even if it meant crossing into Pakistan.


This cannot be repeated enough. This is actually one of the areas in which Obama has actually been consistent with his campaign. In one of the debates with McCain, he specifically stated (and I think he even cited Pakistan as the country) that if a foreign government was harboring OBL, and they were either unwilling or unable to hand him over, he'd use military force to nab the sum'biatch. McCain of course, compulsively disagreed, so for him to even be saying anything about this is just unbelievably beyond-the-pale.
 
2012-05-03 07:50:46 AM
Meh, he's a dead-ender.
 
2012-05-03 07:53:26 AM
Sooo.....why isn't this piece of shiat in prison for war crimes?
 
2012-05-03 07:54:07 AM

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.

You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this and publicized it for cheap politics like this, the same cheerleaders would be the first critics, but because Obama is on our team you just let it pass. This partisan shiat is gonna destroy our country.


Would you have felt better if Obama had made the announcement on the deck of an aircraft carrier, with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished" behind him?
 
2012-05-03 07:57:51 AM

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.

You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this and publicized it for cheap politics like this, the same cheerleaders would be the first critics, but because Obama is on our team you just let it pass. This partisan shiat is gonna destroy our country.


Shoe, other foot, yeah.
 
2012-05-03 07:58:37 AM

Jake Havechek: Sooo.....why isn't this piece of shiat in prison for war crimes?


IOKIYAR.
 
2012-05-03 08:01:29 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: So America has only one choice to vote for from this day forward: the Democrats, who manage to finish things, or Republicans, who manage to bungle and fail at their own goals. The Republicans are failures, plain and simple.


Wrong.
The Republicans get plenty of things done. Just few if any of them are good for America or a stable, long-term economy.
 
2012-05-03 08:01:47 AM

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.


Except for a president McCain or Romney. They even told you so.

This was a campaign promise for Obama and he delivered.
 
2012-05-03 08:02:16 AM
You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this

Well you see, Bush or McCain didn't do this, they were nervous, like Rumsfeld, about upsetting their terrorist buddies in Pakistan. Plus bin Laden was more useful as a boogeyman for the cynical GOP than he was dead.
 
2012-05-03 08:04:05 AM
But this is totally different, because Rumsfield wasn't President!
 
2012-05-03 08:05:37 AM
Can we be done with the giant, crying sh*fest yet? Every day somebody new is getting all whiny about this. I mean, I get it, you gotta try to take the feather out of the president's cap, but this is a dumb fight to pick. Especially when everybody saw the arrogance and "football spiking" Bush got up to before he'd even accomplished a f*cling thing.
 
2012-05-03 08:10:40 AM
The stunning hypocrisy on display from the GOP over this issue is immensely entertaining...

1.bp.blogspot.com

"It's just not fair!!! killing foreigners is our thing!!!"
 
2012-05-03 08:16:36 AM
One thing I do like about Obama is that he always had the stones to say f- Pakistan. Pakistan isn't our friend and never has been.
 
2012-05-03 08:17:14 AM

Descartes: *sigh* It wasnt' Bin Laden. Anyone would have made the call to get Bin Laden.

You guys are embarrassing... if Bush or McCain had did this and publicized it for cheap politics like this, the same cheerleaders would be the first critics, but because Obama is on our team you just let it pass. This partisan shiat is gonna destroy our country.


Google "2008 GOP 9/11 tribute" for the video they played at the RNC that year and tell me the Repubs didn't politicize the deaths of thousands of people to try and get their man elected. I'd link it myself but it was revolting and literally made me want to cry at the time it happened. 9/11 porn at its "best."
 
2012-05-03 08:20:30 AM
The GOP did get maximum mileage out of 9/11. You can see pretty far standing atop all those corpses.
 
2012-05-03 08:24:47 AM

keylock71: The stunning hypocrisy on display from the GOP over this issue is immensely entertaining...

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"It's just not fair!!! killing foreigners is our thing!!!"


Yeah, this is a life and death thing for them. They've held on to that political turf for so long, to lose it is to nearly lose their identity.

1.bp.blogspot.com

He's be-boppin' and scatin' all over me and IM LOSIN' IT!
 
2012-05-03 08:32:29 AM
Is it just me, or are the Republicans genuinely pissed off that Bin Laden is dead?

/convinced more and more that party is full of traitors every day
 
2012-05-03 08:36:21 AM
Every time the GOP criticizes about the OBL killing I think about the video he did where he was looking for him behind the couch in the White House.

From 2001 to 2008 you spineless farkwits dropped the ball and pansied out time and time again. It was the one thing that could have been a shining light over all the other abject failures.

But you didn't.

Obama took a big risk and could have failed miserably. But he succeeded and is due the credit for not only that but showing exactly what sort of help were getting from Pakistan.
 
2012-05-03 08:36:34 AM
Sadam and OBL are dead.. but these war criminals live on and prosper....


(i don't mourn sadam or OBL... just the fact bush and his thugs still walk the earth)
 
2012-05-03 08:37:04 AM
Sorry, but this one is just too good to pass up:

To: Free ThinkerNY
This piece of garbage had to be hauled off a golf course, and then sat there looking very pissed that he couldn't finish his round. And now, this foreign born, illegal alien is doing the "me me me me" thing that was done superbly by our military.

This man is the height (or depth) of being disgusting.
3 posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2012 2:15:28 PM by laweeks
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2012-05-03 08:37:24 AM
Rumsfeld Declares Major Combat Over in Afghanistan

In an announcement marking a major victory in America's ongoing war on terror, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld declared Thursday that "major combat activity" has ended in Afghanistan. Later in the day, from aboard an aircraft carrier in the Pacific Ocean, President Bush planned to announce that military combat is over in Iraq.

A Bush administration source told Fox News that Bush's "compact" address to the nation from aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln (search) will be "not too far short of a victory statement."

Rumsfeld, seeking to reassure allies jittery about reconstruction and humanitarian efforts, made his announcement in a joint news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai (search) in Kabul.


He opened the news conference with the good news: "We're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities."

The defense secretary said the U.S. military will still be involved in trying to stabilize the security situation in Afghanistan, which he said has "porous borders."

"People can in fact return and do things that are unhelpful to the success of this government," he said.

Karzai said Afghanistan has made great progress since the Taliban (search) was overthrown and a new government installed, but he said much more needs to be done.
...
McNeill said he hopes U.S. forces could be out of Afghanistan by the end of summer 2004.
...
Rumsfeld has insisted his trip is not a "victory tour," waiting for President Bush to make a formal announcement of the end of major combat operations, which is expected Thursday. Some of the commanders in Iraq were less circumspect.

"We won the military fight, clearly," said Maj. Gen. Buford Blount III, commander of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which is occupying Baghdad. He said he hoped his division could start returning home by June.

Retired Lt. Gen. Jay Garner, who is heading the reconstruction effort in Iraq, said the quick victory prevented the humanitarian crisis he had feared. Americans, Garner said, "ought to be beating our chests every day."

Link
 
2012-05-03 08:37:51 AM
To the Bush administration, bin Laden was more valuable alive than dead for their domestic U.S. strategy. If you remember, the Department of Homeland Security could be counted on to announce a new terrorist threat every time Bush's poll numbers began to slide. Keeping Americans in a constant state of fear was key to getting re-elected.
It's the same with abortion and immigration -- the GOP will never resolve those disputes because they need their core of crazy voters to stay in power.
Fortunately, Republicans overestimate the power of Fox propaganda (at least among independents) and underestimate the intelligence (and memory) of the public at large. It also helps that Obama has destroyed the myth of Republican expertise in military affairs.
By the way, Romney's loaded up his foreign policy staff with the same neocon dream team that gave us Iraq.
 
2012-05-03 08:50:23 AM
Rummy knew that as long as the boogey-man Bin Laden was alive he and Bush could keep farking the War On Terror chicken. He was a cash cow.
 
2012-05-03 08:50:54 AM

Jake Havechek: Sorry, but this one is just too good to pass up:

To: Free ThinkerNY
This piece of garbage had to be hauled off a golf course, and then sat there looking very pissed that he couldn't finish his round. And now, this foreign born, illegal alien is doing the "me me me me" thing that was done superbly by our military.

This man is the height (or depth) of being disgusting.
3 posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2012 2:15:28 PM by laweeks
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i.qkme.me
 
2012-05-03 08:52:02 AM
Shouldn't this man be in shackles at his war crimes trial?
 
2012-05-03 08:54:47 AM
And I should care what the worst Secretary of Defense in US History thinks about this issue for what reason?
 
2012-05-03 08:56:06 AM

Zerochance: rubi_con_man: Obama had, from his early days of campaigning, told everyone - including the Pakistani - that he'd be hitting Osama Bin Laden wherever he was - even if it meant crossing into Pakistan.

This cannot be repeated enough. This is actually one of the areas in which Obama has actually been consistent with his campaign. In one of the debates with McCain, he specifically stated (and I think he even cited Pakistan as the country) that if a foreign government was harboring OBL, and they were either unwilling or unable to hand him over, he'd use military force to nab the sum'biatch. McCain of course, compulsively disagreed, so for him to even be saying anything about this is just unbelievably beyond-the-pale.


Yes. Obama EXPLICITLY stated he would go into Pakistan, without the help of the Pakistan government.

That was EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

Aug 4, 2007, Romney attacks Obama over Pakistan warning
Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney criticized Democrat Barack Obama on Friday for vowing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan if necessary as the Obama camp issued a strident defense of his plan.

Link
 
2012-05-03 08:57:26 AM
The main argument by the Bush Administration for not going after bin Laden was that he wasn't really calling the shots after 9/11, al-Zawahri was.

I think Bush's people and everybody but Obama who ran in '08, including Mitt, let themselves get played by Pakistan.
 
2012-05-03 09:04:37 AM
The opinion of this clueless tool who farked-up two wars is irrelevant.
 
2012-05-03 09:06:27 AM
Was it an easier call than invading Iraq? Or was it easier than disbanding the Iraqi army at the beginning of the occupation?
 
2012-05-03 09:07:57 AM

MithrandirBooga: Is it just me, or are the Republicans genuinely pissed off that Bin Laden is dead?

/convinced more and more that party is full of traitors every day


I said it once, will say it again.

Republicans: Supporting terrorists since Jan 20, 2009.
 
2012-05-03 09:08:01 AM
Of course it looks like an easy call to all these idiots. Everybody is a brilliant football coach on Monday morning when you already know the outcome. It would also look like an obvious mistake to them had things gone sideways.
 
2012-05-03 09:08:58 AM
Guntram Shatterhand: The real thing that gets under Republican skin is that--much like the economy-a Democrat cleaned up a Republican's mess, showing that Democrats are a thousand times better at leadership and doing what they say they will do than a Republican.

From observation, it seems that the Republicans make grand, attractive promises (will introduce nothing but jobs bills, massive success, restoring America, etc), and consistently under-deliver. Democrats make fewer and more moderate promises, but deliver on them.

I get the appeal of the Republicans' wonderful sounding goals, but it comes down to whether the electorate wants someone in office based on hollow hyperbole or realistic attainable promises.
 
2012-05-03 09:10:29 AM
Every call is easy when you're the Monday morning quarterback.
 
2012-05-03 09:11:42 AM
YEAH! RUMSFELD!
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