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(Reuters)   Law banning cannabis for tourists in The Netherlands is under a week old, and already black markets have sprung up, people are now sparking up in public. PROBLEM SOLVED   (reuters.com) divider line 65
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2012-05-02 02:58:11 PM
As if we don't need any more reminders about how destructive to society prohibition is...here's another one.
 
2012-05-02 03:06:36 PM
"Now we can't enter any more, outrageous, it's discrimination," a Belgian smoker, who gave his name as Cannabas, told Reuters.

Maastricht's mayor, Onno Hoes, was presented with a petition signed by about 300 coffee shops and other outlets asking for the ban to be scrapped


Did the Mayor give a fake name, too? No way is he named "Oh No, Hoes"
 
2012-05-02 03:06:39 PM
FTFA: Maastricht's mayor, Onno Hoes, was presented with a petition signed by about 300 coffee shops and other outlets asking for the ban to be scrapped.

*snerk*

/ohnoes.gif
 
2012-05-02 03:08:34 PM
Future news today!: Dutch tourism revenue down sharply in the second quarter of 2012.
 
2012-05-02 03:12:43 PM
Guess I need to go edit my bucket list:

Return trip to Amsterdam
 
2012-05-02 03:16:40 PM

Nabb1: Guess I need to go edit my bucket list:

Return trip to Amsterdam


I'm not really a pot smoker anymore, but yeah that sucks.
 
2012-05-02 03:49:11 PM
As much as I support people's right to use soft drugs (though it is not my thing at all), I can understand the Netherlands starting to want to crack down on drug tourism.

The prevalence of cheap flights in Europe has brought in a ton of stag/hen nights coming in, and causing issues.

I have several Dutch friends who, along with just about everyone they know living there, have no real interest in getting high (hello US prudes... perfect example that prohibition increasea desire), but don't like the drug tourism that brings in those stag nights.

The Netherlands is small, but has a lot to offer, more than pot. Maybe that is a reason there are those there that want it gone, as it takes away from the Dutch national identity, especially as so many citizens see the EuroZone as eroding their national identity.
 
2012-05-02 03:53:04 PM

Teknowaffle: As much as I support people's right to use soft drugs (though it is not my thing at all), I can understand the Netherlands starting to want to crack down on drug tourism.

The prevalence of cheap flights in Europe has brought in a ton of stag/hen nights coming in, and causing issues.

I have several Dutch friends who, along with just about everyone they know living there, have no real interest in getting high (hello US prudes... perfect example that prohibition increasea desire), but don't like the drug tourism that brings in those stag nights.

The Netherlands is small, but has a lot to offer, more than pot. Maybe that is a reason there are those there that want it gone, as it takes away from the Dutch national identity, especially as so many citizens see the EuroZone as eroding their national identity.


Honestly, I agree with everything you said. I went to the Netherlands while backpacking through Europe many years ago, and Amsterdam was a fantastic city with way more going for it that relaxed drug laws. And even then, you could find pockets of junkies hanging out in various parks. I'm somewhat surprised they hadn't done this sooner. It's unfortunate, but in the end, quite understandable. There are many things in there similar to the way many New Orleanians feel about Bourbon Street, especially during Mardi Gras.
 
2012-05-02 04:01:52 PM

Teknowaffle: As much as I support people's right to use soft drugs (though it is not my thing at all), I can understand the Netherlands starting to want to crack down on drug tourism.

The prevalence of cheap flights in Europe has brought in a ton of stag/hen nights coming in, and causing issues.

I have several Dutch friends who, along with just about everyone they know living there, have no real interest in getting high (hello US prudes... perfect example that prohibition increasea desire), but don't like the drug tourism that brings in those stag nights.

The Netherlands is small, but has a lot to offer, more than pot. Maybe that is a reason there are those there that want it gone, as it takes away from the Dutch national identity, especially as so many citizens see the EuroZone as eroding their national identity.


Is the red light district tourism as much of a problem as the drug tourism? (IDK.) But it must have its own issues. Maybe its less of a problem since other European countries also have legalized prostitution. But it does make me wonder that if they can ban foreigners from purchasing weed, then they may also try to ban foreigners from banging their whores. Of course, then the prostitutes may decide to stop farking the members of the legislature for making them lose money.
 
2012-05-02 04:09:15 PM
Just wait until they find out how much the ban will cost them in tourist dollars.
 
2012-05-02 04:15:22 PM

kbronsito:
Is the red light district tourism as much of a problem as the drug tourism? (IDK.) But it must have its own issues. Maybe its less of a problem since other European countries also have legalized prostitution. But it does make me wonder that if they can ban foreigners from purchasing weed, then they may also try to ban foreigners from banging their whores. Of course, then the prostitutes may decide to stop farking the members of the legislature for making them lose money.


I have only talked about it with a family friend from Amsterdam once, and she described it to me like this (was a few years ago so working from memory here): Sex tourists are either solo creeps/business men, or drunks from one of the stag nights. Not much of a problem, they keep to themselves (and the hookers*badum chhh*).

I mean, can you imagine a group of 20-something men all going abroad together to purchase prostitutes? Only NAMBLA conventions do that.
 
2012-05-02 04:20:14 PM

Teknowaffle: kbronsito:


I mean, can you imagine a group of 20-something men all going abroad together to purchase prostitutes? Only NAMBLA conventions do that.


the secret service, the military, frat boys and dudes hanging out with NPH do that.
 
2012-05-02 05:06:16 PM

Nabb1: Teknowaffle: As much as I support people's right to use soft drugs (though it is not my thing at all), I can understand the Netherlands starting to want to crack down on drug tourism.

The prevalence of cheap flights in Europe has brought in a ton of stag/hen nights coming in, and causing issues.

I have several Dutch friends who, along with just about everyone they know living there, have no real interest in getting high (hello US prudes... perfect example that prohibition increasea desire), but don't like the drug tourism that brings in those stag nights.

The Netherlands is small, but has a lot to offer, more than pot. Maybe that is a reason there are those there that want it gone, as it takes away from the Dutch national identity, especially as so many citizens see the EuroZone as eroding their national identity.

Honestly, I agree with everything you said. I went to the Netherlands while backpacking through Europe many years ago, and Amsterdam was a fantastic city with way more going for it that relaxed drug laws. And even then, you could find pockets of junkies hanging out in various parks. I'm somewhat surprised they hadn't done this sooner. It's unfortunate, but in the end, quite understandable. There are many things in there similar to the way many New Orleanians feel about Bourbon Street, especially during Mardi Gras.


I've been to Amsterdam a few times, and it is a great city, available drugs or no.

But you haven't really seen the place until you've stood transfixed before the canal at Oudezijds Achterburgwal at night, red lights dancing on the waters, and completely zizzed on mushroom tea. I couldn't bear to move for what felt like hours.

It also reminds me of New Orleans in many ways. It feels like a sister city.
 
2012-05-02 05:10:35 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
Oh, yes. Yes indeed.
 
2012-05-02 05:21:10 PM
Netherlands: How do we hurt tourism and increase crime?
 
2012-05-02 05:23:53 PM
I remember hearing somewhere it wasn't the tourists it was the Europeans buying a bunch of weed and then driving it to other parts of Europe that caused the problems.
 
2012-05-02 05:25:36 PM

Headso: I remember hearing somewhere it wasn't the tourists it was the Europeans buying a bunch of weed and then driving it to other parts of Europe that caused the problems.


I still fail to see how this causes any problems.

Oh yeah, because it's still illegal in other countries. And if it wasn't? How would it be a problem again?
 
2012-05-02 05:27:41 PM
You see this? Do you see this crap, morally-uptight people? Only someone with zero historical perspective or completely pants on head retarded could deny the relationship between prohibition, criminality, and the expansion of the police state to address the symptoms.

The people want drugs. For better or worse, let them have them. The current system has yet to yield the utopian society you've envisioned.
 
2012-05-02 05:30:36 PM

bdub77: Headso: I remember hearing somewhere it wasn't the tourists it was the Europeans buying a bunch of weed and then driving it to other parts of Europe that caused the problems.

I still fail to see how this causes any problems.

Oh yeah, because it's still illegal in other countries. And if it wasn't? How would it be a problem again?


yeah if it was legal it wouldn't be a problem. People are just so quick to blame the ugly mericans for this and it ain't our fault.
 
2012-05-02 05:34:43 PM
Meh, this war on drug madness makes me feel all stabby.

*turns on vape*

*decides between Bubble gum/ Blueberry and some killz PK*

*inhaaaaaaaaaale*

Urge to kill decreasing, decreasing, decreasing aaaaaand gone.

Urge to go get some BBQ increasing, increasing, increasing ...and I'm gone.
 
2012-05-02 05:36:59 PM

Headso: People are just so quick to blame the ugly mericans for this and it ain't our fault.


Actually, in this case, it's the ugly Belgians, Germans and French.
 
2012-05-02 05:39:06 PM
I don't even want to try it, but I think this law is stupid. People will not be deterred.
 
2012-05-02 05:40:01 PM
The ban only went into effect for border towns. Amsterdam is still good to go for the foreseeable future (though they did ban hash).
 
2012-05-02 05:48:21 PM

bdub77: Oh yeah, because it's still illegal in other countries. And if it wasn't? How would it be a problem again?


FTA: "My customers don't want a membership list. For one thing, smoking cannabis is technically illegal and for another, people worry that police will have access to the list," Vugs said.
 
2012-05-02 06:01:25 PM
in The Netherlands

Why is "The" capitalized?
 
2012-05-02 06:14:13 PM

make me some tea: Nabb1: Guess I need to go edit my bucket list:

Return trip to Amsterdam

I'm not really a pot smoker anymore, but yeah that sucks.


I used to love getting "coffee" in the morning, then going to the fantastic Art museums. I also liked walking around the quieter neighborhoods looking at the architechture and enjoying the city.

It's not that I need to smoke when I go there, but it does increase my enjoyment; it was the only city in the world I could enjoy world class food and art and be able to relax while enjoying a little smoke. And this law is a slap in my face, like I'm some sort of irresponsible junkie or some shiat.

Let's see what effect this law has on heroin or cocaine use. Go ahead, I'm waiting. And while you're at it, go fark yourself, Oh No Hoes.
 
2012-05-02 06:15:22 PM

farkityfarker: in The Netherlands

Why is "The" capitalized?


Maybe he is a real Dutchman. I dunno if Het is always capitalized in front of Netherlands, but if its so, it makes sense.
 
2012-05-02 06:17:54 PM

ocirats: The ban only went into effect for border towns. Amsterdam is still good to go for the foreseeable future (though they did ban hash).



Thats a shame.
 
2012-05-02 06:18:34 PM
I read the headline too fast and thought it said cannibalism, and my head was full of f*ck for a few moments there
 
2012-05-02 06:22:18 PM

born_yesterday: make me some tea: Nabb1: Guess I need to go edit my bucket list:

Return trip to Amsterdam

I'm not really a pot smoker anymore, but yeah that sucks.

I used to love getting "coffee" in the morning, then going to the fantastic Art museums. I also liked walking around the quieter neighborhoods looking at the architechture and enjoying the city.

It's not that I need to smoke when I go there, but it does increase my enjoyment; it was the only city in the world I could enjoy world class food and art and be able to relax while enjoying a little smoke. And this law is a slap in my face, like I'm some sort of irresponsible junkie or some shiat.

Let's see what effect this law has on heroin or cocaine use. Go ahead, I'm waiting. And while you're at it, go fark yourself, Oh No Hoes.


Yeah, I hear ya. Damn shame. Hopefully they come back to their senses and repeal that. Talk about discrimination.
 
2012-05-02 06:38:12 PM
In the main square, a few hundred demonstrators staged a sit-in and about 50 openly smoked joints alongside a two-meter-(6 ft)-long fake spliff.

i244.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-02 06:38:57 PM

born_yesterday: Let's see what effect this law has on heroin or cocaine use


Psst

Psst.

Hey. Hey.

Coca? You want coke? Coca.

Psst. Psst.

(I'm guessing that these guys are unaffected by the coffeshop laws)
 
2012-05-02 06:55:20 PM

SnakeLee: Did the Mayor give a fake name, too? No way is he named "Oh No, Hoes"



That reminds me:

Please tell me that tourists can still bang hookers in Amsterdam....please tell me everything is going to be okay.

*Hyperventilating*
 
2012-05-02 07:03:24 PM
born_yesterday : I used to love getting "coffee" in the morning, then going to the fantastic Art museums. I also liked walking around the quieter neighborhoods looking at the architechture and enjoying the city. It's not that I need to smoke when I go there, but it does increase my enjoyment; it was the only city in the world I could enjoy world class food and art and be able to relax while enjoying a little smoke. And this law is a slap in my face, like I'm some sort of irresponsible junkie or some shiat.

Right there with you, brother. But I can also understand the point of view of the folks who live in the neighborhoods that cater to the American fratboy set... having hordes of first-time-off-the-leash, publicly f#cked-up adult men staggering around your family at all hours has to suck.
 
2012-05-02 07:23:11 PM

Headso: I remember hearing somewhere it wasn't the tourists it was the Europeans buying a bunch of weed and then driving it to other parts of Europe that caused the problems.


Bingo. The new law is thanks to the PVV, essentially Dutch redneck, fundamentalist right wingers. The PVV says Belgians and Germans come to Holland to smoke up, and that they become violent. They held up the budget for it. Next on there list is the banning of open shops on Sundays, I shiat you not.

/don't smoke or do other soft drugs
 
2012-05-02 07:30:07 PM
Holland really doesn't realize how much tourist money they're going to bleed from the prohibition. Why are they even doing this? What's the cause? Did someone say, "You know how we've had legal, regulated pot and it's worked pretty well? Let's fark that up."?
 
2012-05-02 07:36:18 PM

Teknowaffle: As much as I support people's right to use soft drugs (though it is not my thing at all), I can understand the Netherlands starting to want to crack down on drug tourism.

The prevalence of cheap flights in Europe has brought in a ton of stag/hen nights coming in, and causing issues.

I have several Dutch friends who, along with just about everyone they know living there, have no real interest in getting high (hello US prudes... perfect example that prohibition increasea desire), but don't like the drug tourism that brings in those stag nights.

The Netherlands is small, but has a lot to offer, more than pot. Maybe that is a reason there are those there that want it gone, as it takes away from the Dutch national identity, especially as so many citizens see the EuroZone as eroding their national identity.


I just moved back to the states after living in Amsterdam for a few years. There are certainly a bunch of stag parties there but the volume has gone down a ton. A lot of the Brits and others have moved on to Tallinn and other eastern European cities for those festivities. The ban is silly, and as others have mentioned, it's the result of the PVV, who many Dutch view in the same way many Americans feel about W. I have a hard time believing that Amsterdam is going to risk the massive amount tourist money by enforcing this law (and the Mayor is against it) especially given the economic situation over there right now but stranger things have happened.

Also, to whomever mentioned world class cuisine and Amsterdam, I have a bone to pick with you. In general the food there is godawful :) Though if you're in the red light district "Bird" on Zeedijk has fantastic Thai food but there's always a huge wait.
 
2012-05-02 07:40:49 PM
Hey guys!
Guys!
Guys, listen!
Hey, just listen.

I got a idea.
Just listen for a sec.


Hey, let's take a place where they found a way to resolve the war on drugs.
Let's take that place, and, let's take that place and start a NEW war. A war against the tourists!

It'll be great!!

We can, like, spend the taxpayers money on raiding,
raiding all the coffee shops, and shiat.

Spend all the money they were saving on new guns, and uniforms, and shiat like that. Blinged out cars with turrets, so we can fark people up.

Wheb People come here to buy stuff, we be like "fark you, hippy! Go home with your hippy money.". Then we taze em, and toss their asses over the border!

Guys, I'm telling you, It'll be awesome!
 
2012-05-02 07:45:52 PM

Tema213: Also, to whomever mentioned world class cuisine and Amsterdam, I have a bone to pick with you. In general the food there is godawful


I went to Amsterdam and had great food at every meal. Mmmmmmm, Indonesian.

just like in London -- eat Indian food.

Pro food tip: If the country you're visiting conquered a people or two, eat the cuisine of the colonies.
 
2012-05-02 07:50:20 PM

Tema213: In general the food there is godawful



A whole herring on a bun with onions and a slap of spicy mayo is wicked yummy street food. Good cheeses. Good hearty beers. My first time there, especially, as a budget backpacker I very much appreciated cheap but delicious bread, cheese and beer.

I like Dutch food, I wouldn't say "god awful" but I'd call it more "rustic" than world-class.
 
2012-05-02 07:58:09 PM
When they banned guns in Australia the same thing happened, so legalize guns too, right?
 
2012-05-02 08:28:02 PM

SnakeLee: "Now we can't enter any more, outrageous, it's discrimination," a Belgian smoker, who gave his name as Cannabas, told Reuters.

Maastricht's mayor, Onno Hoes, was presented with a petition signed by about 300 coffee shops and other outlets asking for the ban to be scrapped

Did the Mayor give a fake name, too? No way is he named "Oh No, Hoes"


www.mrbill.com
 
2012-05-02 09:24:11 PM

germ78: FTFA: Maastricht's mayor, Onno Hoes, was presented with a petition signed by about 300 coffee shops and other outlets asking for the ban to be scrapped.

*snerk*

/ohnoes.gif


Yeah, Dutch names are like that.

/Boeyink
 
2012-05-02 09:35:24 PM
Last I was there, if you were driving into Germany with German plates you got pulled over. If you had Dutch plates, no sweat.
 
2012-05-02 09:44:24 PM
A friend of mine turned 50 in March, so he went to Amsterdam and Germany. While he was there, he talked to some of the people in the coffee shops, and they blamed the Germans for the ban. Evidently, they are a repressed people who need to stay repressed. As someone of German descent, I'm not 100% sure that's a joke.
 
2012-05-02 09:44:45 PM
It's a street dealer bonanza!
 
2012-05-02 11:26:01 PM
And just in time for the second recession in 4 years... killing tourism and increasing the profits of the newly created black market (e.g. defacto criminals needing arrestin' and jailin'). Is Holland turning into the US? Noooooo!
 
2012-05-02 11:30:02 PM

way south: Hey guys!
Guys!
Guys, listen!
Hey, just listen.

I got a idea.
Just listen for a sec.


Hey, let's take a place where they found a way to resolve the war on drugs.
Let's take that place, and, let's take that place and start a NEW war. A war against the tourists!

It'll be great!!

We can, like, spend the taxpayers money on raiding,
raiding all the coffee shops, and shiat.

Spend all the money they were saving on new guns, and uniforms, and shiat like that. Blinged out cars with turrets, so we can fark people up.

Wheb People come here to buy stuff, we be like "fark you, hippy! Go home with your hippy money.". Then we taze em, and toss their asses over the border!

Guys, I'm telling you, It'll be awesome!


I aspire to your mastery of snark! ;-)
 
2012-05-03 12:50:25 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Tema213: In general the food there is godawful


A whole herring on a bun with onions and a slap of spicy mayo is wicked yummy street food. Good cheeses. Good hearty beers. My first time there, especially, as a budget backpacker I very much appreciated cheap but delicious bread, cheese and beer.

I like Dutch food, I wouldn't say "god awful" but I'd call it more "rustic" than world-class.


It's really not about dutch food, it's about food in holland. Dutch food is ok, I guess, if you like potatoes or fish.FOOD IN HOLLAND, particularly in Amsterdam is terrible though. Lazy waiters, lazier cooks,shiatty menus and a majority of restaurants that cater to tourists over locals means that "world class food" is hard to find anywhere except at a precious few places locals don't tell anyone about. I eat better pretty much anywhere else. Yeah the cheese is good, yeah the the herring is too(I don't eat fish..) Other than that in the Netherlands good food is kind of hard to find.
 
2012-05-03 01:13:02 AM
When flying back from Budapest, I had a six hour layover in Amsterdam. I wanted to leave the airport and visit the town, but I didn't want the passport stamp indicating I spent a short time in an area with legal pot sales. I figured that would guarantee a man with a rubber glove telling me to drop my pants.
 
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