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2012-05-02 02:21:00 PM  
10 votes:
Who?
2012-05-02 02:29:38 PM  
4 votes:

swangoatman: I second the Who? and add a "don;t giva damn"


You don;t care so much you had to speed type it right into the farking thread, huh?

/I CAN'T EVEN CHECK FOR TYPOS! I MUST LET THE WORLD KNOW LOUDLY AND RAPIDLY THAT I AM DISINTERESTED BUT NOT IN THE WAY THAT PEOPLE NORMALLY ARE DISINTERESTED AND IGNORE IT BUT IN THAT DOUCHEY WAY PEOPLE EXPRESS DISINTEREST ON FARK!
2012-05-02 02:49:16 PM  
3 votes:

JohnBigBootay: TomD9938: Whoa... that's deep.

/and prolly true


Yes. Rich or poor if you aren't in control of your mind you have nothing. Nevertheless we should continue, as a nation, defunding mental health programs. Because handouts just encourage more people to be crazy you know...


I think a lot of the time even the mental health programs are dedicated to dispensing pharmaceuticals or comforting people with religion. Whereas actual therapists can provide some comfort to people by resolving internal issues.

I think we all deal with hopelessness at times. Hard to say that Seau needed any of those above things, or which one was more appropriate.

A national dialogue about mental health would certainly be a good thing.
2012-05-02 02:41:12 PM  
3 votes:

Zombie Hitler: A username is meaningless


Your relatives weren't murdered by Hitler. Mine were. Unlike you I don't find references to HItler and Nazis terribly entertaining or cute or witty or edgy.

I'm not crying over your user name, but if you're going to play the "show some respect!" card and get all weepy about it then perhaps you should fark off and change your user name and "show some respect".
2012-05-02 07:30:44 PM  
2 votes:
RIP.
www.umich.edu
2012-05-02 04:12:59 PM  
2 votes:

vwarb: Where on earth did you ever get the idea that anyone is letting them do this?


We just had the first season with any sort of concussion protocol for the NFL. So until this last season who knows how many players were playing with concussions and getting their brains rattled even worse. This while any doctor you ask could explain to you why this is a very bad thing. Would have been nice if the NFL had bothered to listen just a wee bit earlier.
2012-05-02 03:34:48 PM  
2 votes:

hdhale: Let's also not talk about Rugby and Australian rules football, which have no protective gear and the players can hit each other just as hard as in any American football game.


Except they don't. In rugby you can't just run someone over, you can have to wrap them up and bring them down. Rugby and Aussie Rules are quite different from football no matter how much some people like to say they're alike.
2012-05-02 03:28:39 PM  
2 votes:

Cyberluddite: Giant Clown Shoe: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]
The natural consequence of our favorite bloodsport is often death.

/These guys die early. Sad but true.

I'm not sure I see what's "natural" about intentionally blowing your brains out with a gun.


There reporting that he shot himself in the chest... like Dave Duerson. The reason for the chest shot rather than a head shot is so the brain can be examined for damage... like Dave Duerson. In Duerson's case they found significant brain damage that is likely the cause of his degenerative condition, erratic behavior and depression.

Duerson's Brain Trauma Diagnosed

An NFL player who spends 4 years in the league has a life expectancy of 55.

NFL is killing its players

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. The more years a player spends in the NFL, the more games and practices he survives, the quicker he dies.

cdn3.sbnation.com

Were you not entertained?
2012-05-02 02:54:45 PM  
2 votes:

pedobearapproved: what about when Hitler offed himself? That was pretty farking funny.


t0.gstatic.com

"... because he was a mass-murdering farkhead."
2012-05-02 02:43:32 PM  
2 votes:

TomD9938: Whoa... that's deep.

/and prolly true



Yes. Rich or poor if you aren't in control of your mind you have nothing. Nevertheless we should continue, as a nation, defunding mental health programs. Because handouts just encourage more people to be crazy you know...
2012-05-02 02:36:08 PM  
2 votes:
Seauicide.
2012-05-02 02:34:50 PM  
2 votes:

muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.


If the cause that people are guessing is correct, then it's the same reason that people can still have anxiety and depression even when they seem to have it all: A messed up brain is a messed up brain. No amount of money, fame, etc. can fix that.
2012-05-02 02:31:37 PM  
2 votes:

Rebelution: If this was a suicide as reported, I wonder what this will do to the concussion talks around the NFL. My thoughts go out to his family.


If concussions do turn out to be a factor somehow, it could be a tipping point. I think he was enough of a star/has enough name recognition that this will resonate with a lot of people.
2012-05-02 02:23:16 PM  
2 votes:
So far I'm only seeing this on TMZ (not on ESPN yet)... but, if TMZ blows this, that will be a pretty big goof on their part, so, I'll assume they have some sort of inside police source that they are putting a scoop out on.

If this does prove to be a suicide, this will be the one that really gets peoples attention if it gets pinned back to head trauma issues like Duerson's did. Not that Dave Duerson wasn't a sad example, but, he didn't have the level of fame Seau did.
2012-05-02 02:21:26 PM  
2 votes:
Steroids are bad kids.
2012-05-02 08:15:30 PM  
1 votes:
This thread sucks.
2012-05-02 06:49:01 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Flaming used to be an art


Hawnkee: Oh. Another dead jock. Big farking deal.


Yep, USED to be.
2012-05-02 06:30:08 PM  
1 votes:

magicgoo: Another over-paid, self-absorbed, violent jock dead.



"Seau and his live-in girlfriend reportedly had a verbal argument at approximately 10 p.m. on Sunday before Seau assaulted her, causing mild injuries."



Yeah. I'll try not to cry too hard.


You say he's overpaid, self-absorbed, and violent like it's a bad thing. Let's look derper at your allegations (that's what they are right? You didn't have weekly Apples to Apples get together's at his house and know him correct?). Strike one if that is the case, for seeing one or two mistakes made by someone who is constantly in the public eye and using that solely to base your judgement of his life's worth (you're perfect though). Strike two is the using of his salary to somehow demonize him for getting offered more money than you feel he should make for a talent he used to entertain others. 'What? Whoa guys, I love football, and have been working at this for a long time to make it to the pros, but could you pay me less so I don't look like a bad person?' That's the higher road he should of taken huh? Otherwise I don't see how that's relevant. Self-Absorbed? Other than the NFL using him for their merchandising I don't remember him making the media focus on him for self-gratification masturbatory reasons for anything that would even make that observation remotely true. Violent? I'm assuming you're talking about the spats with his girlfriend. But I'm sure anyone who's been in a real relationship will tell you you've never been in love if you've never thought about going five across the eye on your old lady from time to time. Strike three is that was not a troll comment so that's really how shallow, pretentious, and un-evolved as a human you really are.

:(
2012-05-02 06:25:04 PM  
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Yeah. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Because of, 'the other football player who shot himself in the chest was trying to save his brain so this must be the same thing" phenomenon. And of course that could certainly be why he chose that method. Then again, it may have absolutely nothing at all to do with it.


His brain was hardly organ-donation material. Call the hospital about a fresh body and blow your head off next time, Junior. At least they might get a heart and lungs out of the deal.
2012-05-02 06:14:13 PM  
1 votes:
I can hardly think of a death that affects me less than some retired sports 'hero'.
2012-05-02 06:01:53 PM  
1 votes:
Far less painful ways to punch your own ticket.

Get drunk, climb into a warm bathtub and open a vein. Go to sleep

Seal off a room, fire up the coals in a hibachi and wait for asphyxiation. Go to sleep

A good supply of valium or Ludes, bottle of N2, rubber mask...go to sleep.

Pointing a gun into your chest and pulling the trigger is gonna hurt, and there is no guarantee it works. Bullets do funny things. Coulda just ended up a quad..then what?

You could eat a bullet, but that just leaves an unsightly mess for someone you love to find. Proving what a selfish bastard you are in the first place. Suicide ultimately only hurts the living. Seek help instead. There is always a better alternative than punching out. The only time suicide is forgivable is if you're in a ventilation tunnel with a wounded compadre and the aliens are climbing up to meet you and your Deagle is outa bullets. Then eating a hand grenade is politically correct and forgiveable.
2012-05-02 05:44:32 PM  
1 votes:
Adam Schefter on Twitter: "It doesn't mean he didn't have any, but Junior Seau was never listed on an NFL injury report as having a concussion."
2012-05-02 05:29:51 PM  
1 votes:

Eating Old People to Save Social Security: F**k you leaf


No need for that. He's done a reasonably good job f**king himself over.
2012-05-02 05:22:15 PM  
1 votes:

JorgiX: As for the corruption, yes it happens like with every other sport. Sometimes judges are just biased for the big name, but yes corruption is very prevalent and that is absolutely indefensible. Although boxers do earn MUCH more on average than MMA fighters and that is not even close.


Very seriously, unless you're at the very top of either sport, the purses are crap. $400 for winning a bout, after 6 months of intense training, at the risk of permanent injury? (Channeling Ricky Waters) For who, for what?

I thought about dipping my toe in the professional waters, and my (50something-2 between pro boxing and pro K1) Shihan gave me that speech. Given what i make at my day job, a couple hundred bucks isn't worth it for me to put in the training time and risk my health. The chances of seeing the BIG purse are slim to none, and the risk to my health is just too high.

My BJJ sensei (who legitimately may go MMA, his ground skills are THAT good) has said however, that if there was $1Million in the purse that he'd kick a baby, so there's that....

I wish you the best of luck, though, and if you're in the philly area, maybe we can spar some time. I should warn you, I'm a southpaw heavyweight hooker.

Best wishes, try to make your decisions knowing what you're getting into, and what you're trading your time/health for. Make sure its worth it. My guy hung up the pro-gloves because he could open his own Dojo and make tons more money without risk to his health.

As for competition, I'll stay in the amateur ranks at NAGA's. In training for August, and I have no tie between work, family and training.
2012-05-02 05:20:56 PM  
1 votes:

Biness: He shot himself in the chest just like dave duerson.


He also shot himself in the chest like my high school pal who didn't ever play football. Or like the other folks the paramedic was mentioning earlier. It happens. I don't know why everyone needs to rush to judgement on it and 'know' exactly why and what for. As if these kinds of things ever truly have a single cause anyway. Now he may have left a note explaining it all. But even that won't be confirmation of CTE. I'd say it's likely but I'm more than comfortable stopping at that.
2012-05-02 05:16:30 PM  
1 votes:

magicgoo: I know, right? Considering I've made it to my mid-thirties without getting arrested for spousal abuse


Go away. Or talk about the civil war or something. No, it's not too soon, but you have no idea if Junior Seau is guilty of spousal abuse. And hell, even if he was, there is a phenomenon in which good people do bad things. You know - like your mom. But we don't need to discuss that here.
2012-05-02 05:15:33 PM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: magicgoo: muck4doo: magicgoo: Another over-paid, self-absorbed, violent jock dead.



"Seau and his live-in girlfriend reportedly had a verbal argument at approximately 10 p.m. on Sunday before Seau assaulted her, causing mild injuries."



Yeah. I'll try not to cry too hard.

You are so impressive.

I know, right? Considering I've made it to my mid-thirties without getting arrested for spousal abuse or possibly endangering the lives of unsuspecting humans and/or animals as I drive my huge SUV off of a cliff at 70mph, I'd say I'm goddamned impressive. I will never have sympathy for this type of person or the losers who deem them, "heroes," simply because they are a celebrity ball-tosser. But, hey, keep on sticking up for the abusive tool who was too cowardly to deal with his issues like a real man; you know, that whole getting help thing.

Whoa! Save some of the awesome for the rest of us. We might want to crap on someone who just passed away some time in the future.




Junior Seau didn't pass away. He intercepted away.
2012-05-02 05:14:08 PM  
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: the biggest redneck here: A logical assumption is not the same thing as a "wild unsubstantiated allegation" no matter how offended by the use of the term you pretend to be.

I think what you are guilty of here, if you'd like to be technical (which I'm sure you do not) is referred to as a false dilemma. In that you fail to consider other reasonable alternatives. But you're right - your allegation was not that wild and may yet prove true. But there are are other reasonably likely causes. I won't be surprised in either event.


He shot himself in the chest just like dave duerson. All the signs, at this point, are pointing to one thing. Doesn't mean thats the case, but its walking like a duck, and its talking like a duck
2012-05-02 05:07:56 PM  
1 votes:
cute-n-tiny.com

R.I.P. junior sow
2012-05-02 05:03:51 PM  
1 votes:
He never could defend against the shotgun.
2012-05-02 05:03:04 PM  
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: the biggest redneck here: just the first of many to come.

Thank you for wild unsubstantiated allegation. Won't be surprising if it's football related but regular people kill themselves every single day. We have no idea if this is related to football or not. Well, you know I guess, the rest of us will have to wait.


A logical assumption is not the same thing as a "wild unsubstantiated allegation" no matter how offended by the use of the term you pretend to be.
2012-05-02 04:36:04 PM  
1 votes:

godxam: I have never cared so little.

Location: Texas


Stopped caring there.
2012-05-02 04:33:12 PM  
1 votes:

godxam: I have never cared so little.


What about that time you cared so little, you didn't go into the thread to comment?
2012-05-02 04:31:08 PM  
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: [i.cdn.turner.com image 640x698]


i heard he liked long walks on the beach, and self inflicted gun shot wounds.
2012-05-02 04:28:14 PM  
1 votes:
i.cdn.turner.com
2012-05-02 04:24:11 PM  
1 votes:

Unhip1: Strange things to consider:
1. Died of a chest wound. Not your typical suicide choice
....



Shot to the chest so his brain can be donated for research.... Not the first time its been done by retired players. Dave Duerson did it last year too.
2012-05-02 04:19:34 PM  
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: AliceBToklasLives: Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

Well, yes the "incredibly large amount of the population" is kinda dumb, but if head injuries had anything to do with the suicide, then it could end up being the straw that broke the camel's back. The NFL is changing, but probably not fast enough.

/RIP Junior

That's his assertion. You know what activities really do cover that bolded part?

1) Any popular physical activity
2) Any career of manual labor

I have permanent chronic knee problems from working manufacturing for just 7 years. Should we ban manufacturing?

I didn't play myself, but I have a fair number of friends who have an assortment of lower extremity problems (particularly knees & ankles) from playing soccer, which isn't even a contact sport. Going to ban it?

Appeal to emotion fallacies can be fun, but when used to assert policies, they need to be called out.


we already have workman's compensation and OSHA (and MSHA) to provide for safe working environments. If your work environment isn't safe, you have avenues to pursue.

a comparison of injuries from soccer->american football is a lightning bugs to lightning comparison. Yes, athletic endeavors carry risk of injury, hell I have nerve damage that came from flying back from vegas, and all i did was sit on a plane. It's a matter of degree, and purpose. Your soccer injuries we'rent caused because it was a normal part of play to run headfirst into 11 guys outweighing you by 100lbs+. They were prbly caused by overly aggressive movements, or true "accidents" involving collisions. Neither are central to the game.

Additionally, FIFA and most soccer orgs have come out with concussion worried of their own, and are beginning to require headbands with padding to prevent concussions from heading the ball.

A couple years ago when a minor league base coach died from taking a batter ball to the squash, Minor Leagues required batting helmets to be worn almost immediately, and the Major league changed it the next year.

The NFL has squashed reports commissioned by themselves that showed the concussion risk. It isn't trying to make it a safer game. Their actions are clear.
2012-05-02 04:16:35 PM  
1 votes:

Smelly McUgly: I don't get why Goodell hasn't already teamed up with the NFLPA to mandate that players must use the safer helmets already.


Me either. I just hope you don't think those helmets will prevent CTE. Because they won't. One need not even get a concussion. A lifetime of low speed collisions not involving the head at all will do just fine.
2012-05-02 04:11:03 PM  
1 votes:

Unhip1: 1. Died of a chest wound. Not your typical suicide choice


The speculation is that he wanted to preserve his brain for research on the chronic trauma associated w/ playing linebacker in the NFL.
2012-05-02 04:09:33 PM  
1 votes:

PeppermintHippo: I feel awful for his mother. She is in complete shock and is hysterical. Shame on the media for expoiting her at this raw moment.


I mean, yeah they're going to use that video over and over again, but nobody dragged her to the podium. I can't even begin to imagine who thought that was a good idea.
2012-05-02 04:08:03 PM  
1 votes:
I feel awful for his mother. She is in complete shock and is hysterical. Shame on the media for expoiting her at this raw moment.
2012-05-02 04:04:37 PM  
1 votes:

EnderWiggnz: muck4doo: EnderWiggnz: FreakinB: muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.

If the cause that people are guessing is correct, then it's the same reason that people can still have anxiety and depression even when they seem to have it all: A messed up brain is a messed up brain. No amount of money, fame, etc. can fix that.

i have a deep sympathy for depressed people with regards to suicide, but somehow, i suspect that his body being in constant pain from the constant beatings it received during his career, including both concussions and other physical injuries he suffered during his play time.

i'm a hardcore migraineur, and believe me, I've thought of going all Pi on myself when I'm in the middle of a 6 week banger. If he was looking at another 30-40 years of excruciating pain along with increased risk of parkinsons (or already suffering from parkinsons), I don't think that the usual "depression" assumption holds water.

And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Oh shut the hell up. More people die by automobile every year than die by football. Should we ban cars too?

at least car manufacturers have been forced to install safety equipment that lessens the chance of injury instead of increasing it.

and you're making a slippery slope argument. i call logical fallacy.


e.e. cummings weighs in on football injuries.
2012-05-02 04:03:51 PM  
1 votes:

EnderWiggnz: hdhale: EnderWiggnz:
How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Better question how do Boxing and MMA continue to pass OSHA inspection? At least American football players wear gear designed to protect them from hits, unlike Boxing and MMA which wear protective gear so they can protect the hands of the fighter allowing them to hit more often.

Let's also not talk about Rugby and Australian rules football, which have no protective gear and the players can hit each other just as hard as in any American football game.

I'm sorry you find contact sports to be barbaric, but the world is a contact sport. So in reality they only reflect real life.

/played American football from elementary school through high school and never got more than a couple of cool scars

Boxing is barbaric and needs to go away as well, not only out of safety concerns, but because of the pure corruption in the sport. Like the late great Smoking Joe said, the promoter gets paid, the venue gets paid, everyone makes money, except the boxer. MMA rules are such that there's LESS of a chance of injury than boxing. Mind you, i spar kickbox and compete in NAGA bjj. If you get injured during either of those, its YOUR fault because you did something wrong. Football? Every single game someone loses their career.

Cool scars, eh? what about those times you got your bell rung... think that's going to affect you?

as for the no-pads version of contact sports, well... they actually have a lower rate of injury because they dont have a hard candy shell with which to attack the other players with.

Soccer/"real" football was a thugdriven sport pre 1970'ish, and they cleaned their act up. There's no reason that you need to watch gladiators risk life and limb for your entertainment on sundays.


Your posts on this topic have been almost totally insane ramblings, but like that broken clock you've reached the time of day when you're right about something.

Football isn't going anywhere, and the game will look almost the same in a couple of decades. What will be vastly different is the headgear.

Much like racing had to adopt HANS devices to address basilar skull fractures and other closed head injuries, football's going get a redesigned helmet with some type of airbag effect. Once that happens, the concussion issue's going to mostly disappear.
2012-05-02 03:59:32 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: FinFangFark: but when I hear about a guy who played in the late 90s early 2000s is in a lawsuit, I think it's stupid

Except the NFL knew what was up and didn't do anything about it. Plus the NFL isn't exactly very good for providing benefits for retired players.


And that's why I do feel for the older retired players, there is a good claim to their suits. As for guys that played in the 90s, when the league minimum was in the six figures, knowingly playing and seeing the effects of the injuries, they don't have a foot to stand on.

But when Seau's brain is test, and CTE is shown in the report, Congress is going to step in and grandstand, but this won't be like steroids, because there is list of dead players they can use as fodder.
2012-05-02 03:57:57 PM  
1 votes:
Damnit why did they show his mom going hysterical on tv? That was just sad.
2012-05-02 03:55:46 PM  
1 votes:

EnderWiggnz: muck4doo: EnderWiggnz: FreakinB: muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.

If the cause that people are guessing is correct, then it's the same reason that people can still have anxiety and depression even when they seem to have it all: A messed up brain is a messed up brain. No amount of money, fame, etc. can fix that.

i have a deep sympathy for depressed people with regards to suicide, but somehow, i suspect that his body being in constant pain from the constant beatings it received during his career, including both concussions and other physical injuries he suffered during his play time.

i'm a hardcore migraineur, and believe me, I've thought of going all Pi on myself when I'm in the middle of a 6 week banger. If he was looking at another 30-40 years of excruciating pain along with increased risk of parkinsons (or already suffering from parkinsons), I don't think that the usual "depression" assumption holds water.

And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Oh shut the hell up. More people die by automobile every year than die by football. Should we ban cars too?

at least car manufacturers have been forced to install safety equipment that lessens the chance of injury instead of increasing it.

and you're making a slippery slope argument. i call logical fallacy.


And I call you stupid for wanting to ban football.
2012-05-02 03:55:05 PM  
1 votes:

4NSpy: Damn.

Always respected Junior as a player even though he was a Charger.


This. RIP, Junior. Damned shame.
2012-05-02 03:55:03 PM  
1 votes:

Rising From Ashes: 12:29 PM PDT -- A rep for the Oceanside Police Department just spoke outside Seau's San Diego house, claiming Seau's body was initially discovered by Seau's girlfriend. Authorities responded, and found Seau's unconscious body inside a bedroom, with a gunshot wound to the chest.

Paramedics attempted to revive Seau, but life-saving efforts were unsuccessful. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His body is still inside the house.

The rep says investigators recovered a handgun on the scene. The case is being investigated as a suicide.

Seau's mother also spoke briefly -- and she was hysterical, crying to God, "Take me. Leave my son alone!"


So terribly sad. She about drove me to tears.
Poor tortured soul, Junior. Now poor tortured soul, Mom.
I wish that the Seau family finds peace sooner than later.
2012-05-02 03:52:42 PM  
1 votes:

9beers: He shot himself in the chest, not the way to go if you're planning suicide.


It is if you want them to study your brain after death...
2012-05-02 03:51:26 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: No, not really. Like Paul Newman said in Road to Perdition. It's the life they chose for themselves.


It doesn't matter what they chose, you don't let people turn their brains to jelly and then go "Not our problem".
2012-05-02 03:50:48 PM  
1 votes:

Karma Curmudgeon: What about clown suicide?


Screw clowns, they're scary.
2012-05-02 03:49:48 PM  
1 votes:
12:29 PM PDT -- A rep for the Oceanside Police Department just spoke outside Seau's San Diego house, claiming Seau's body was initially discovered by Seau's girlfriend. Authorities responded, and found Seau's unconscious body inside a bedroom, with a gunshot wound to the chest.

Paramedics attempted to revive Seau, but life-saving efforts were unsuccessful. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His body is still inside the house.

The rep says investigators recovered a handgun on the scene. The case is being investigated as a suicide.

Seau's mother also spoke briefly -- and she was hysterical, crying to God, "Take me. Leave my son alone!"
2012-05-02 03:47:08 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: So that the life expectancy of someone who plays in the NFL for four years or more is 55 years old, isn't a problem?


No, not really. Like Paul Newman said in Road to Perdition. It's the life they chose for themselves.
2012-05-02 03:43:12 PM  
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."


So that the life expectancy of someone who plays in the NFL for four years or more is 55 years old, isn't a problem?
Ehh
2012-05-02 03:42:47 PM  
1 votes:
*Reads AceThunder's link*

"In 1998, LB Doug Miller was struck by lightning while camping in Colorado. CPR was being performed on Miller when he was struck again by a second bolt."

Wow. God could not wait to be introduced.

/bolt joke
2012-05-02 03:38:36 PM  
1 votes:
The guy was a defensive football monster. He was awesome to watch. He gave back to the sport and was generous with donations of shoes and equipment to American Samoa which has produced some of the sport's toughest players. Godspeed.
2012-05-02 03:38:17 PM  
1 votes:
stay classy San Diego

i7.photobucket.com
2012-05-02 03:31:34 PM  
1 votes:

jayhawk88: whizbangthedirtfarmer: jayhawk88: Rebelution: If this was a suicide as reported, I wonder what this will do to the concussion talks around the NFL. My thoughts go out to his family.

If concussions do turn out to be a factor somehow, it could be a tipping point. I think he was enough of a star/has enough name recognition that this will resonate with a lot of people.

Hell no. Americans love their violence. And many of the current players are of the "fark you, I got mine" mindset. Every year, players have an opportunity to donate a game check to Gridiron Greats, and what? A dozen or so of them do it?

I'm not saying it will be the death of football or anything, but I do think that we could see some major changes. We've already had some hints of kickoff-less football, and it wouldn't shock me to also see some things like restrictions on the amount of padding players can wear, more and more severe penalties for big hits, etc.

Ironically it's going to be ESPN that really decides where this conversation goes. They have the biggest platform, on any given day/week they can set the tone for sports discussion in this country...in a lot of very meaningful and not insignificant ways, how they choose to cover this is going to decide how much traction it continues to get.


And considering it's Disney owned, it can be as family friendly as you want. American style football fans (as them ferriners like to say), we're watching it go down the tubes as we speak. 15-20 years from now, soccer will take over.
2012-05-02 03:28:09 PM  
1 votes:

Treygreen13: JohnBigBootay: TomD9938: Whoa... that's deep.

/and prolly true


Yes. Rich or poor if you aren't in control of your mind you have nothing. Nevertheless we should continue, as a nation, defunding mental health programs. Because handouts just encourage more people to be crazy you know...

I think a lot of the time even the mental health programs are dedicated to dispensing pharmaceuticals or comforting people with religion. Whereas actual therapists can provide some comfort to people by resolving internal issues.

I think we all deal with hopelessness at times. Hard to say that Seau needed any of those above things, or which one was more appropriate.

A national dialogue about mental health would certainly be a good thing.


So much THIS.
2012-05-02 03:27:14 PM  
1 votes:
Seau's mom is leaving me misty eyed. :(
2012-05-02 03:26:09 PM  
1 votes:
1994 was awesome, for that alone he will be missed. Rest in Peace Junior.latimesblogs.latimes.com
2012-05-02 03:24:17 PM  
1 votes:
Wow. I'm 43 (as was Junior) and still feel like I have a lot of gas in the tank. I don't have millions of dollars and the adoration of the community either. Then again, I didn't have to get hit in the head repeatedly for those riches and adoration. Maybe going to work each day to pay the mortgage isn't so bad after all. RIP Junior.
2012-05-02 03:21:50 PM  
1 votes:
as resposted from TFD....


i was just thinking about him the other day, after Bruschi's quote about Harbaugh's criticism of the Pats' titles being tainted: "all i see when i look at my hand is 4 rings, and i know we won them the right way."

i thought of that shot of Seau and Bruschi huckin' and buckin' on the sideline after the Pats' go-ahead TD vs Giants. All hugging and smiling and shiat. i was like, "guys, the football gods see you...." and sure enough, David Tyree catches a ball with his facemask moments later. and the rest is history.

that unfortunately is how i remember Seau.


suicide.

so sad.
2012-05-02 03:17:21 PM  
1 votes:

the biggest redneck here: or getting on TV and talking like they've got a mouth full of marbles in their 40's


upload.wikimedia.org

Whadba the heb you talbing ebot?
2012-05-02 03:15:28 PM  
1 votes:

dletter: So far I'm only seeing this on TMZ (not on ESPN yet)... but, if TMZ blows this, that will be a pretty big goof on their part, so, I'll assume they have some sort of inside police source that they are putting a scoop out on.

If this does prove to be a suicide, this will be the one that really gets peoples attention if it gets pinned back to head trauma issues like Duerson's did. Not that Dave Duerson wasn't a sad example, but, he didn't have the level of fame Seau did.


Yup. I've been saying it for the past few years: these guys are actual celebrities now, so when they start going full Duerson or getting on TV and talking like they've got a mouth full of marbles in their 40's the reaction the general public will have is going to be pretty stark. Seau played recently enough to fit into that mold, but he's just the first of many to come.
2012-05-02 03:13:53 PM  
1 votes:
Say it aint Seau.
2012-05-02 03:12:18 PM  
1 votes:
It's being reported by MSNBC
2012-05-02 03:12:07 PM  
1 votes:

SoCalSurfer: Yeah, no one expected them to upset the steelers that year


I didn't expect it, but I wasn't surprised, either. Good power inside power running game, QB who throws a good 15-25 out perfectly. Stillurhs didn't get better against those the next year, and it showed against Dallas.

//99 Rams would have turned those mid-90s Steelers teams into mincemeat.
2012-05-02 03:11:15 PM  
1 votes:
ESPN just put up the banner, it's confirmed.
2012-05-02 03:10:43 PM  
1 votes:
I got into an argument with the NBC affiliate out of Albany, GA, about when this story was confirmed vs. when this story was first reported. Them: "TMZ didn't even confirm this 45 minutes ago." Me: "I don't trust TMZ any further than I can throw it, so I went to the ABC affiliate out of San Diego itself as soon as I heard."

Oh WALB, your derp will never cease to amaze me, even a thousand miles away from you.
2012-05-02 03:06:38 PM  
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

The natural consequence of our favorite bloodsport is often death.

/These guys die early. Sad but true.
2012-05-02 03:04:50 PM  
1 votes:
static.rhap.com
RIP Junior Senior
2012-05-02 03:04:09 PM  
1 votes:

Rising From Ashes: ESPN is saying a shooting with multiple unconfirmed reports he's dead.

I see USA Today, LA Times, Huffington Post confirming dead, and several NFL players, including OchoCinco being sad saying dead.

Now ESPN talking about bounties.


A San Diego TV station had video footage of Seau's mother weeping in the driveway of the house, but I guess that's not confirmation enough.
2012-05-02 03:03:17 PM  
1 votes:
Report confirmed by CBS News (radio). :(

/still in shock
2012-05-02 03:02:43 PM  
1 votes:

Zombie Hitler: Someone people cared about killed themselves. If it was a farker it would be the biggest tragedy on the planet, but because it's not, it's funny. There's never a point when (alleged) suicide is funny.


You sure you want to go with that angle?

3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-05-02 03:02:18 PM  
1 votes:
LOLOL "breaking news" from ESPN. Such timely reporting!
2012-05-02 03:01:22 PM  
1 votes:
www.hellopro.fr

RIP: Seau

apparently Seau is french for bucket???
2012-05-02 02:59:55 PM  
1 votes:
Self inflicted gunshot wound to the chest, via TMZ.

He truly went full Duerson.
2012-05-02 02:57:38 PM  
1 votes:
This will not be good for the NFL brain damage lawsuits that are currently in the courts. The NFL will have to pay out A LOT of money soon.
2012-05-02 02:57:01 PM  
1 votes:
as of 1:56 CT, NOTHING from ESPN on their website.

Can we get Tim Tebow to twitter this so their stupid network reports something they "broke"?
2012-05-02 02:55:33 PM  
1 votes:
I love how we've talked this story almost all the way out before ESPN even acknowledges it, much less before they waste their next four hours of airtime on it.
2012-05-02 02:52:46 PM  
1 votes:

Treygreen13: houndoggie: He was a beast in Super Tecmo Bowl.

He was?
[i88.photobucket.com image 400x350]


I applaud your commitment to providing relevant and topical reference material in which to make your case, good Sir.
2012-05-02 02:39:50 PM  
1 votes:

hulk hogan meat shoes: ESPN still reacting to Saints suspensions...


ESPN barely does sports, and they certainly don't bother with sports journalism. ESPN's main role now is to blabber incoherently about vaguely sports-related topics.

ESPN has gone downhill ever since they hired Stuart Scott.
2012-05-02 02:38:00 PM  
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R.A.Danny: Zombie Hitler: Too difficult to green a headline that shows some farking respect, I suppose.

Looks at username, wonders if the irony of the statement is lost somewhere.

And "Welcome to Fark"


A username is meaningless.

Someone people cared about killed themselves. If it was a farker it would be the biggest tragedy on the planet, but because it's not, it's funny. There's never a point when (alleged) suicide is funny.
2012-05-02 02:35:15 PM  
1 votes:
images.wikia.com

RIP Deputy Travis Junior
2012-05-02 02:34:21 PM  
1 votes:
2012-05-02 02:34:14 PM  
1 votes:
startnparkblog.com

R.I.P. Junior
2012-05-02 02:34:03 PM  
1 votes:
Too difficult to green a headline that shows some farking respect, I suppose.
2012-05-02 02:33:36 PM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.


Maybe once he had everything, he realized he really had nothing.
2012-05-02 02:33:18 PM  
1 votes:
2012-05-02 02:33:13 PM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.


Just a wild guess, but years of continual poundings to the head may have been a factor.
2012-05-02 02:32:48 PM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.


Brain damage?
2012-05-02 02:32:20 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: DamnYankees: Not to diminish this, but why are we assuming this is a suicide?

I'm wondering this too. Someone in the TMZ comments said it was confirmed but did not cite a source. There's no reason to assume that off the bat, unless someone in law enforcement has confirmed it.


According to local news, the reports of it being a suicide are being attributed to neighbors.
2012-05-02 02:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

swangoatman: I second the Who? and add a "don;t giva damn"


Uh huh. But you just love the sound your fingers make tapping away on your keyboard. And hitting that "Add Comment" button, it just makes you feel so darned tingly. Who can blame you? You can't help yourself.
2012-05-02 02:31:04 PM  
1 votes:
Tragic

55 needs to be retired from the Bolts now, if not already.

/RIP Say-Ow!
//Wonder how his restaurant will fare (well i suspect because people are going crazy)
2012-05-02 02:30:14 PM  
1 votes:
cassplumbing.com



RIP Fish Taco Plate with a Stone IPA and waiting in a long ass line for a table on gamedays
2012-05-02 02:28:31 PM  
1 votes:

lecavalier: Congress will be knocking on the NFL's door again and then we won't be allowed to watch tackle football anymore.


I'm actually starting to believe that football and hockey's days are numbered. I might have to start paying attention to my family soon.
2012-05-02 02:27:39 PM  
1 votes:

houndoggie: He was a beast in Super Tecmo Bowl.


He was?
i88.photobucket.com
2012-05-02 02:27:38 PM  
1 votes:

kisseswookies: Wow, that seemed intentionally vague. The article could have been 2 sentences long. Junior Seau involved in some sort of shooting in his house. We don't know ANYTHING else.


Journalistic equivalent of 'FIRST! LOLAOL!!'.
2012-05-02 02:26:57 PM  
1 votes:
Congress will be knocking on the NFL's door again and then we won't be allowed to watch tackle football anymore.
2012-05-02 02:26:41 PM  
1 votes:
Didn't he try to do this a few years ago?
2012-05-02 02:26:09 PM  
1 votes:
There are reports of several shots being fired.

Also, I hope his brain goes to science.
2012-05-02 02:25:25 PM  
1 votes:

ardyn: Getting in a shooting standoff with police always seems so... short sighted to me. Once they surround you, it's over. All you can hope to do is hold them off until the SWAT team comes through the door and teargasses your ass, or they snipe you through a window.

Unless you have some sort of 1920s rum runner escape tunnel.

/Gotta be real desperate to get in to this sort of situation.


Suicide by police
2012-05-02 02:25:05 PM  
1 votes:
He was a beast in Super Tecmo Bowl.
2012-05-02 02:24:53 PM  
1 votes:
Steroids and brain damage claim another one.
2012-05-02 02:23:59 PM  
1 votes:
www.juniormints.com

RIP Junior Mints
2012-05-02 02:23:43 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: A bit premature on the suicide angle, isn't it?


Dude tried to drive himself off a cliff recently.

/RIP
//Not some douchebag who tries to act like suicide = selfishness... it's still a goddamn tragedy either way
2012-05-02 02:22:47 PM  
1 votes:
He was a douche when I lived in San Diego.

His ex-wife was a hottie though. She worked out at the World Gym by Pacific Beach.

/csb
2012-05-02 02:22:39 PM  
1 votes:
I second the Who? and add a "don;t giva damn"
2012-05-02 02:22:13 PM  
1 votes:
You never go full Dave Duerson.
 
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