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2012-05-02 03:54:09 PM
NightOwl2255 No, not really. Like Paul Newman said in Road to Perdition. It's the life they chose for themselves.

He's paraphrasing Hyman Roth eulogizing Moe Green in "Godfather 2";
Link
 
2012-05-02 03:54:31 PM

FinFangFark: but when I hear about a guy who played in the late 90s early 2000s is in a lawsuit, I think it's stupid


Except the NFL knew what was up and didn't do anything about it. Plus the NFL isn't exactly very good for providing benefits for retired players.
 
2012-05-02 03:54:52 PM

hdhale: EnderWiggnz:
How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Better question how do Boxing and MMA continue to pass OSHA inspection? At least American football players wear gear designed to protect them from hits, unlike Boxing and MMA which wear protective gear so they can protect the hands of the fighter allowing them to hit more often.

Let's also not talk about Rugby and Australian rules football, which have no protective gear and the players can hit each other just as hard as in any American football game.

I'm sorry you find contact sports to be barbaric, but the world is a contact sport. So in reality they only reflect real life.

/played American football from elementary school through high school and never got more than a couple of cool scars


Boxing is barbaric and needs to go away as well, not only out of safety concerns, but because of the pure corruption in the sport. Like the late great Smoking Joe said, the promoter gets paid, the venue gets paid, everyone makes money, except the boxer. MMA rules are such that there's LESS of a chance of injury than boxing. Mind you, i spar kickbox and compete in NAGA bjj. If you get injured during either of those, its YOUR fault because you did something wrong. Football? Every single game someone loses their career.

Cool scars, eh? what about those times you got your bell rung... think that's going to affect you?

as for the no-pads version of contact sports, well... they actually have a lower rate of injury because they dont have a hard candy shell with which to attack the other players with.

Soccer/"real" football was a thugdriven sport pre 1970'ish, and they cleaned their act up. There's no reason that you need to watch gladiators risk life and limb for your entertainment on sundays.
 
2012-05-02 03:55:03 PM

Rising From Ashes: 12:29 PM PDT -- A rep for the Oceanside Police Department just spoke outside Seau's San Diego house, claiming Seau's body was initially discovered by Seau's girlfriend. Authorities responded, and found Seau's unconscious body inside a bedroom, with a gunshot wound to the chest.

Paramedics attempted to revive Seau, but life-saving efforts were unsuccessful. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His body is still inside the house.

The rep says investigators recovered a handgun on the scene. The case is being investigated as a suicide.

Seau's mother also spoke briefly -- and she was hysterical, crying to God, "Take me. Leave my son alone!"


So terribly sad. She about drove me to tears.
Poor tortured soul, Junior. Now poor tortured soul, Mom.
I wish that the Seau family finds peace sooner than later.
 
2012-05-02 03:55:05 PM

4NSpy: Damn.

Always respected Junior as a player even though he was a Charger.


This. RIP, Junior. Damned shame.
 
2012-05-02 03:55:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: Carousel Beast: That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

So that the life expectancy of someone who plays in the NFL for four years or more is 55 years old, isn't a problem?


The goalposts looked fine where they originally were.
 
2012-05-02 03:55:46 PM

EnderWiggnz: muck4doo: EnderWiggnz: FreakinB: muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.

If the cause that people are guessing is correct, then it's the same reason that people can still have anxiety and depression even when they seem to have it all: A messed up brain is a messed up brain. No amount of money, fame, etc. can fix that.

i have a deep sympathy for depressed people with regards to suicide, but somehow, i suspect that his body being in constant pain from the constant beatings it received during his career, including both concussions and other physical injuries he suffered during his play time.

i'm a hardcore migraineur, and believe me, I've thought of going all Pi on myself when I'm in the middle of a 6 week banger. If he was looking at another 30-40 years of excruciating pain along with increased risk of parkinsons (or already suffering from parkinsons), I don't think that the usual "depression" assumption holds water.

And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Oh shut the hell up. More people die by automobile every year than die by football. Should we ban cars too?

at least car manufacturers have been forced to install safety equipment that lessens the chance of injury instead of increasing it.

and you're making a slippery slope argument. i call logical fallacy.


And I call you stupid for wanting to ban football.
 
2012-05-02 03:56:17 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: What about clown suicide?


Bzzt. Ironic, not funny.
 
2012-05-02 03:56:24 PM

Rising From Ashes: oh dear lord espn showing his crying mom talking to the camera and going TAKE ME LEAVE MY SON


and this is where ESPN crosses the line into local-news-exploitation territory.

/Grief porn.
//What scumbags.
 
2012-05-02 03:56:56 PM

9beers: He shot himself in the chest, not the way to go if you're planning suicide.


Know how I know you haven't been reading the thread?
 
2012-05-02 03:57:40 PM
girlfriend was the one who found the body. Police are checking her for gun powder residue.
 
2012-05-02 03:57:50 PM

Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."


How so? I think that your narcissist is showing cheering for men to try to physically harm each other for your entertainment.
 
2012-05-02 03:57:57 PM
Damnit why did they show his mom going hysterical on tv? That was just sad.
 
2012-05-02 03:58:39 PM

FlyingJ: NightOwl2255 No, not really. Like Paul Newman said in Road to Perdition. It's the life they chose for themselves.

He's paraphrasing Hyman Roth eulogizing Moe Green in "Godfather 2";
Link


You don't buy out Moe Green! Moe Green buys you out!!
 
2012-05-02 03:58:42 PM

Giant Clown Shoe: /expect more chest shot suicides from former NFL players


Stop saying that. As others have pointed out it's not exactly an uncommon way to do it. Knew a guy who shot himself in the chest myself.
 
2012-05-02 03:59:32 PM

WhyteRaven74: FinFangFark: but when I hear about a guy who played in the late 90s early 2000s is in a lawsuit, I think it's stupid

Except the NFL knew what was up and didn't do anything about it. Plus the NFL isn't exactly very good for providing benefits for retired players.


And that's why I do feel for the older retired players, there is a good claim to their suits. As for guys that played in the 90s, when the league minimum was in the six figures, knowingly playing and seeing the effects of the injuries, they don't have a foot to stand on.

But when Seau's brain is test, and CTE is shown in the report, Congress is going to step in and grandstand, but this won't be like steroids, because there is list of dead players they can use as fodder.
 
2012-05-02 03:59:47 PM

Giant Clown Shoe: Cyberluddite: Giant Clown Shoe: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]
The natural consequence of our favorite bloodsport is often death.

/These guys die early. Sad but true.

I'm not sure I see what's "natural" about intentionally blowing your brains out with a gun.

There reporting that he shot himself in the chest... like Dave Duerson. The reason for the chest shot rather than a head shot is so the brain can be examined for damage... like Dave Duerson. In Duerson's case they found significant brain damage that is likely the cause of his degenerative condition, erratic behavior and depression.

Duerson's Brain Trauma Diagnosed

An NFL player who spends 4 years in the league has a life expectancy of 55.

NFL is killing its players

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. The more years a player spends in the NFL, the more games and practices he survives, the quicker he dies.

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 320x320]

Were you not entertained?


FTFA: "According to a 2006 report in the St. Petersburg Times, for every season a player spends on an NFL roster, his life expectancy decreases by almost three years.

Read that again.

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. "

word problem time: for every season in NFL life expectancy decreases by three years. Average male life span 75 years. football player with four years 55? shouldn't that be around 63.
 
2012-05-02 03:59:52 PM
ESPN announces The Civil War is over!
 
2012-05-02 04:00:10 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

Well, yes the "incredibly large amount of the population" is kinda dumb, but if head injuries had anything to do with the suicide, then it could end up being the straw that broke the camel's back. The NFL is changing, but probably not fast enough.

/RIP Junior


That's his assertion. You know what activities really do cover that bolded part?

1) Any popular physical activity
2) Any career of manual labor

I have permanent chronic knee problems from working manufacturing for just 7 years. Should we ban manufacturing?

I didn't play myself, but I have a fair number of friends who have an assortment of lower extremity problems (particularly knees & ankles) from playing soccer, which isn't even a contact sport. Going to ban it?

Appeal to emotion fallacies can be fun, but when used to assert policies, they need to be called out.
 
2012-05-02 04:01:08 PM
This just in: Seau killed himself cause he was fed up with the shiatty weather we're having in San Diego as of late.

Seasonal affective disorder takes another victim...
 
2012-05-02 04:01:41 PM

EnderWiggnz: Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

How so? I think that your narcissist is showing cheering for men to try to physically harm each other for your entertainment.


Please see my post to AliceBToklasLives. Your appeal to emotion is showing.
 
2012-05-02 04:02:24 PM

urger: Who?


who the fark are either of the people in the headline?
 
2012-05-02 04:02:42 PM

TheReverendLei: This just in: Seau killed himself cause he was fed up with the shiatty weather we're having in San Diego as of late.

Seasonal affective disorder takes another victim...


No kidding, f**king may gray. That and the lack of decent swells lately
 
2012-05-02 04:03:10 PM

WienerButt: Damnit why did they show his mom going hysterical on tv? That was just sad.


Yeah, that brought a tear to my eye. :(
 
2012-05-02 04:03:19 PM

JohnBigBootay: Giant Clown Shoe: /expect more chest shot suicides from former NFL players

Stop saying that. As others have pointed out it's not exactly an uncommon way to do it. Knew a guy who shot himself in the chest myself.


Look, I agree that this happens elsewhere, but there's the beginning of a pattern here. It's an issue that's getting more and more attention. Even if nothing's confirmed in Seau's case yet, it's not an outrageous idea at all and I wouldn't be surprised if more of these happen going forward.
 
2012-05-02 04:03:39 PM

Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

How so? I think that your narcissist is showing cheering for men to try to physically harm each other for your entertainment.

Please see my post to AliceBToklasLives. Your appeal to emotion is showing.


And, FWIW, sorry to be so insulting originally. I really should have just said "you are not thinking this through." I was rude and I apologize.

You took the high road from my insult, and I respect that.
 
2012-05-02 04:03:41 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Rising From Ashes: oh dear lord espn showing his crying mom talking to the camera and going TAKE ME LEAVE MY SON

and this is where ESPN crosses the line into local-news-exploitation territory.

/Grief porn.
//What scumbags.


Well, she's not talking to an ESPN reporter, she's at the press conferance being held
 
2012-05-02 04:03:44 PM

TheReverendLei: This just in: Seau killed himself cause he was fed up with the shiatty weather we're having in San Diego as of late.

Seasonal affective disorder takes another victim...


SAD
 
2012-05-02 04:03:51 PM

muck4doo: WienerButt: Damnit why did they show his mom going hysterical on tv? That was just sad.

Yeah, that brought a tear to my eye. :(


the worst was his son trying to get into the house through the police
 
2012-05-02 04:03:51 PM

EnderWiggnz: hdhale: EnderWiggnz:
How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Better question how do Boxing and MMA continue to pass OSHA inspection? At least American football players wear gear designed to protect them from hits, unlike Boxing and MMA which wear protective gear so they can protect the hands of the fighter allowing them to hit more often.

Let's also not talk about Rugby and Australian rules football, which have no protective gear and the players can hit each other just as hard as in any American football game.

I'm sorry you find contact sports to be barbaric, but the world is a contact sport. So in reality they only reflect real life.

/played American football from elementary school through high school and never got more than a couple of cool scars

Boxing is barbaric and needs to go away as well, not only out of safety concerns, but because of the pure corruption in the sport. Like the late great Smoking Joe said, the promoter gets paid, the venue gets paid, everyone makes money, except the boxer. MMA rules are such that there's LESS of a chance of injury than boxing. Mind you, i spar kickbox and compete in NAGA bjj. If you get injured during either of those, its YOUR fault because you did something wrong. Football? Every single game someone loses their career.

Cool scars, eh? what about those times you got your bell rung... think that's going to affect you?

as for the no-pads version of contact sports, well... they actually have a lower rate of injury because they dont have a hard candy shell with which to attack the other players with.

Soccer/"real" football was a thugdriven sport pre 1970'ish, and they cleaned their act up. There's no reason that you need to watch gladiators risk life and limb for your entertainment on sundays.


Your posts on this topic have been almost totally insane ramblings, but like that broken clock you've reached the time of day when you're right about something.

Football isn't going anywhere, and the game will look almost the same in a couple of decades. What will be vastly different is the headgear.

Much like racing had to adopt HANS devices to address basilar skull fractures and other closed head injuries, football's going get a redesigned helmet with some type of airbag effect. Once that happens, the concussion issue's going to mostly disappear.
 
2012-05-02 04:04:20 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Giant Clown Shoe: Cyberluddite: Giant Clown Shoe: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]
The natural consequence of our favorite bloodsport is often death.

/These guys die early. Sad but true.

I'm not sure I see what's "natural" about intentionally blowing your brains out with a gun.

There reporting that he shot himself in the chest... like Dave Duerson. The reason for the chest shot rather than a head shot is so the brain can be examined for damage... like Dave Duerson. In Duerson's case they found significant brain damage that is likely the cause of his degenerative condition, erratic behavior and depression.

Duerson's Brain Trauma Diagnosed

An NFL player who spends 4 years in the league has a life expectancy of 55.

NFL is killing its players

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. The more years a player spends in the NFL, the more games and practices he survives, the quicker he dies.

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 320x320]

Were you not entertained?

FTFA: "According to a 2006 report in the St. Petersburg Times, for every season a player spends on an NFL roster, his life expectancy decreases by almost three years.

Read that again.

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. "

word problem time: for every season in NFL life expectancy decreases by three years. Average male life span 75 years. football player with four years 55? shouldn't that be around 63.


The difference is playing time. If you spent only 1 or 2 years on a roster it is likely you were not very good and didn't play too much. If you make it to 4, its likely you played and probably started at least on special teams.
 
2012-05-02 04:04:37 PM

EnderWiggnz: muck4doo: EnderWiggnz: FreakinB: muck4doo: I don't get it. Why would someone with a HOF career, loads of money, hot babes wanting him, and fame commit suicide? Us schmuck fans don't have any of that, but we're not sitting there offing ourselves.

If the cause that people are guessing is correct, then it's the same reason that people can still have anxiety and depression even when they seem to have it all: A messed up brain is a messed up brain. No amount of money, fame, etc. can fix that.

i have a deep sympathy for depressed people with regards to suicide, but somehow, i suspect that his body being in constant pain from the constant beatings it received during his career, including both concussions and other physical injuries he suffered during his play time.

i'm a hardcore migraineur, and believe me, I've thought of going all Pi on myself when I'm in the middle of a 6 week banger. If he was looking at another 30-40 years of excruciating pain along with increased risk of parkinsons (or already suffering from parkinsons), I don't think that the usual "depression" assumption holds water.

And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

How on earth could the NFL pass an OSHA inspection? Armored wankball should go the fark away and only be talked about with onions on our belts.

Oh shut the hell up. More people die by automobile every year than die by football. Should we ban cars too?

at least car manufacturers have been forced to install safety equipment that lessens the chance of injury instead of increasing it.

and you're making a slippery slope argument. i call logical fallacy.


e.e. cummings weighs in on football injuries.
 
2012-05-02 04:04:49 PM
fark. I am stunned.

/San Diegan
 
2012-05-02 04:04:56 PM

Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

How so? I think that your narcissist is showing cheering for men to try to physically harm each other for your entertainment.

Please see my post to AliceBToklasLives. Your appeal to emotion is showing.


He wants a snow flake society.
 
2012-05-02 04:05:04 PM

hulk hogan meat shoes: Oooh, Rachel Nichols on ESPN. Yum.


mmmmmmm...THIS......Rachel is so yummy, delecti, scrumpdilicious....
 
2012-05-02 04:05:35 PM
www.blogcdn.com
RIP Junior Seau
 
2012-05-02 04:05:35 PM

ekdikeo4: urger: Who?

who the fark are either of the people in the headline?


You don't have to click every thread; but if you do, try reading the article or Googling before you post.
/Who the fark are you?
 
2012-05-02 04:06:36 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: FTFA: "According to a 2006 report in the St. Petersburg Times, for every season a player spends on an NFL roster, his life expectancy decreases by almost three years.

Read that again.

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. "


You shouldn't compare them to the population at large. The control group should be other 250-320 .lb males who toiled in jobs which subject their bodies to extraordinary physical stress - let's say coal miners, fishermen, welders, carpenters and movers. Which I suspect also have a lower than average life expectancy. No doubt the NFL is bad for you, but your control group is not valid for meaningful statistical purposes.
 
2012-05-02 04:06:55 PM
encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-05-02 04:07:02 PM

WhyteRaven74: NightOwl2255: No, not really. Like Paul Newman said in Road to Perdition. It's the life they chose for themselves.

It doesn't matter what they chose, you don't let people turn their brains to jelly and then go "Not our problem".


Where on earth did you ever get the idea that anyone is letting them do this? They are just doing it, because actions in free countries do not require the approval or permission of any one else. It's not our problem. It's the problem of the person who decided, as an adult, to accept large amounts of money in exchange for a service.

You don't get to be the world's babysitter.
 
2012-05-02 04:07:23 PM
Strange things to consider:
1. Died of a chest wound. Not your typical suicide choice
2. Gun was found "nearby" so he wasn't next to the weapon or holding it
3. Found by "a woman alleged to be his girlfriend."

I say something's up.
 
2012-05-02 04:07:46 PM

Carousel Beast: AliceBToklasLives: Carousel Beast: EnderWiggnz: And for those of you saying that they're afraid that the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should. It causes permanent physical damage to an incredibly large amount of the population, from pee-wee league through the NFL.

That's an awful wordy way for you to say "I am a retard."

Well, yes the "incredibly large amount of the population" is kinda dumb, but if head injuries had anything to do with the suicide, then it could end up being the straw that broke the camel's back. The NFL is changing, but probably not fast enough.

/RIP Junior

That's his assertion. You know what activities really do cover that bolded part?

1) Any popular physical activity
2) Any career of manual labor

I have permanent chronic knee problems from working manufacturing for just 7 years. Should we ban manufacturing?

I didn't play myself, but I have a fair number of friends who have an assortment of lower extremity problems (particularly knees & ankles) from playing soccer, which isn't even a contact sport. Going to ban it?

Appeal to emotion fallacies can be fun, but when used to assert policies, they need to be called out.


So are straw man fallacies - The argument (up there) was "the NFL may have to change/go away. GOOD. It should" - presumably 'it should change or go away.' I don't believe the word 'ban' was used.

The choice is not between keeping a system that demonstrably causes a great deal of physical damage unchanged and banning that system. There is a third possibility - a possibility the NFL Is already acting on (after all, what was the big news before Seau's suicide hit?)

/there's also the PR angle - forget personal responsibility and forget appeals to other damaging activities - can the NFL withstand an onslaught on bad PR? Maybe, maybe not. That alone may be reason enough to change.
 
2012-05-02 04:07:46 PM
Take ME...leave my son!........drive safely....

I'm Gobsmacked.....
 
2012-05-02 04:08:03 PM
I feel awful for his mother. She is in complete shock and is hysterical. Shame on the media for expoiting her at this raw moment.
 
2012-05-02 04:08:58 PM
I blame ryan leaf. If he had been better, seau wouldn't have been on the field so much.

cache.deadspin.com

F**k you leaf
 
2012-05-02 04:09:33 PM

PeppermintHippo: I feel awful for his mother. She is in complete shock and is hysterical. Shame on the media for expoiting her at this raw moment.


I mean, yeah they're going to use that video over and over again, but nobody dragged her to the podium. I can't even begin to imagine who thought that was a good idea.
 
2012-05-02 04:09:37 PM
Junior say "Ow"
 
2012-05-02 04:10:02 PM
kareemabduljabbar.com
RIP Junior Seau
 
2012-05-02 04:10:07 PM

JohnBigBootay: TrainingWheelsNeeded: FTFA: "According to a 2006 report in the St. Petersburg Times, for every season a player spends on an NFL roster, his life expectancy decreases by almost three years.

Read that again.

The average American male lives to be almost 75. According to the Times report, an NFL player, whose career lasts roughly four years on average, lives to be 55. "

You shouldn't compare them to the population at large. The control group should be other 250-320 .lb males who toiled in jobs which subject their bodies to extraordinary physical stress - let's say coal miners, fishermen, welders, carpenters and movers. Which I suspect also have a lower than average life expectancy. No doubt the NFL is bad for you, but your control group is not valid for meaningful statistical purposes.


You've been around enough to know you don't use logic to argue on fark.
 
2012-05-02 04:10:17 PM
FARK NFL threads always bring out the best in people.
RIP Junior. You were a helluva linebacker and a pretty cool guy to boot.

/fark the Patriots.
 
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