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2012-05-02 01:33:22 PM
Am I the only one that sees a problem with this paragraph?

"Parental demand for "human trait selection" is steadily increasing, and it'll only be a matter of time before families will be able to "enhance" their offspring in this way. Moreover, if parents don't do it, individuals will start to do it to themselves. Already today there's growing demand for such things as performance, cognitive and mood enhancement. It's a burgeoning grassroots trend that's only going to increase as more effective technologies are developed and as they become more accessible."

I believe that McCoy would chime in about the ethics of that and call Spock a 'Green-blooded son of a biatch'
 
2012-05-02 01:33:37 PM
Where are all the human GMOs?

www.freedomsphoenix.com

Didn't quite work out as well as they expected.
 
2012-05-02 01:35:52 PM
Well, of course. All the new modern visions of the future are going with a dystopian theme.
 
2012-05-02 01:48:27 PM
One of the more surprising aspects of the Star Trek future is that a technological Singularity never happened. This is highly unlikely, given the timelines provided by some futurists like Ray Kurzweil and Hans Moravec who predict one later this century.

Oy.
 
2012-05-02 01:50:58 PM
I blame Einstein

/and an overall lack of imagination on the part of the human race
 
2012-05-02 01:54:03 PM
FTA: Parental demand for "human trait selection" is steadily increasing, and it'll only be a matter of time before families will be able to "enhance" their offspring in this way. Moreover, if parents don't do it, individuals will start to do it to themselves.

This douchy author needs to read a few books about the dangers of discrimination based on the possibilities of human genetic modification. Or at least, maybe, watch GATTACA, or something.
 
2012-05-02 01:55:03 PM

Cythraul: FTA: Parental demand for "human trait selection" is steadily increasing, and it'll only be a matter of time before families will be able to "enhance" their offspring in this way. Moreover, if parents don't do it, individuals will start to do it to themselves.

This douchy author needs to read a few books about the dangers of discrimination based on the possibilities of human genetic modification. Or at least, maybe, watch GATTACA, or something.


Or at the least he should know that Star Trek directly addresses this issue - the Augments are a staple of Star Trek mythology. For god sake, this is what Khan Noonien Singh is all about!
 
2012-05-02 01:59:20 PM

DamnYankees: One of the more surprising aspects of the Star Trek future is that a technological Singularity never happened. This is highly unlikely, given the timelines provided by some futurists like Ray Kurzweil and Hans Moravec who predict one later this century.

Oy.


That's hilarious. We predict something is going to happen, therefore a fictional future where it doesn't happen must be wrong!
 
2012-05-02 02:02:27 PM

GAT_00: DamnYankees: One of the more surprising aspects of the Star Trek future is that a technological Singularity never happened. This is highly unlikely, given the timelines provided by some futurists like Ray Kurzweil and Hans Moravec who predict one later this century.

Oy.

That's hilarious. We predict something is going to happen, therefore a fictional future where it doesn't happen must be wrong!


Not to mention "we" didn't predict anything. The singularity is a prediction of kranks.
 
2012-05-02 02:03:00 PM
So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.
 
2012-05-02 02:03:51 PM

GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.


No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.
 
2012-05-02 02:06:32 PM
So, they're saying we're facing more of a Terminator or Matrix-like existence than Star Trek.

Fortunately, I won't be around for the technological "Singularity"

Cythraul: Or at least, maybe, watch GATTACA, or something.


One of the things I loved about Gattaca is that the point was the human spirit is more powerful than the body containing it.
 
2012-05-02 02:08:50 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.

No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.


It's like they crossed TNG or TOS with DS9. I haven't gotten to Season 3 yet, which is the gigantic storyline, but there is actual continuity between episodes and evolving characters.

Also, holy God does that opening music grate after the first dozen episodes.
 
2012-05-02 02:15:24 PM
All I learned from Star Trek is to never stop searching for alien poon.
 
2012-05-02 02:20:22 PM
i64.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-02 02:23:41 PM
 
2012-05-02 02:23:54 PM
I wonder what the next "great" technological breakthrough will be and when it will happen. Something fundamental like clean limitless energy, or space travel without chemical rockets.

I HAVE ADD AND I WANT MY BREAKTHROUGH DAMMIT.
 
2012-05-02 02:38:10 PM

gopher321: Something fundamental like clean limitless energy, or space travel without chemical rockets.


These are the same thing: fusion.
 
2012-05-02 03:06:36 PM
There are GMOs other than Khan, his gang and Bashir.

Worf's old lady from NG, K'Ehleyr, was half human and half Klingon, to make that work she had to be GM'd in vitro.

Likely there are millions of others, we just don't see them because in ST we are only seeing a few hundred to a thousand individuals out of hundreds of billions.
 
2012-05-02 03:11:05 PM
The Stargate series looks more like the future than anything else....


/popcorn
 
2012-05-02 03:11:42 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-02 03:12:18 PM
Also, why no singularity?

To soon, Vernor Vinge talks about it like it's around the corner, but in sci-fi often it takes longer to achieve than where Star Trek is.

Look at the Culture, they are just starting to toy with it by the time Surface Detail comes out and they were hundreds to a thousand years more advanced than Star Trek was when the novels start.

I'd say the Culture is at least a thousand years more advanced than Star Trek and it took the Culture two or three thousand years to toy with singularity.
 
2012-05-02 03:13:46 PM

clovis69: There are GMOs other than Khan, his gang and Bashir.

Worf's old lady from NG, K'Ehleyr, was half human and half Klingon, to make that work she had to be GM'd in vitro.

Likely there are millions of others, we just don't see them because in ST we are only seeing a few hundred to a thousand individuals out of hundreds of billions.


I think they mention in the Khan storyline that the reason why human GMOs aren't not common is because genetic enhancement of humans / intelligent species is basically illegal. Or at least, thought of very negatively.

Not that this matters. It's not as if the series doesn't have a reputation for contradicting its own canon.
 
2012-05-02 03:13:51 PM

Cythraul: FTA: Parental demand for "human trait selection" is steadily increasing, and it'll only be a matter of time before families will be able to "enhance" their offspring in this way. Moreover, if parents don't do it, individuals will start to do it to themselves.

This douchy author needs to read a few books about the dangers of discrimination based on the possibilities of human genetic modification. Or at least, maybe, watch GATTACA, or something.


i09 is the lamest, dumbest Gawker site.

Think about what that means for a moment.
 
2012-05-02 03:15:01 PM

gopher321: I wonder what the next "great" technological breakthrough will be and when it will happen. Something fundamental like clean limitless energy, or space travel without chemical rockets.

I HAVE ADD AND I WANT MY BREAKTHROUGH DAMMIT.


Dude, we can fit millions of transistors on the head of a pin. What more do you want? Actual angels?
 
2012-05-02 03:15:03 PM

Cythraul: Well, of course. All the new modern visions of the future are going with a dystopian theme.


This. We get it, the dystopian thing is all the rage now, look at the hunger games. I read most of that article, and the theme seemed to be "Star Trek's positive idea of the future is wrong because the author believes in a much more depressing future." But hey, another crappy i09 article---why am I surprised?
 
2012-05-02 03:21:22 PM
The singularity and the hyped 'nano revolution' are just unicorns and rainbows for those of a scientific bent.

The pursuit of those fantasies will yield lots of good stuff, but I don't see either happening in their imagined form
ever.
 
2012-05-02 03:22:43 PM

Diogenes: Where are all the human GMOs?

[www.freedomsphoenix.com image 263x400]

Didn't quite work out as well as they expected.


We can do better.

darkangel.tktv.net
 
2012-05-02 03:28:00 PM
To the author:

a0.twimg.com
 
2012-05-02 03:29:25 PM

GAT_00: DamnYankees: GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.

No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.

It's like they crossed TNG or TOS with DS9. I haven't gotten to Season 3 yet, which is the gigantic storyline, but there is actual continuity between episodes and evolving characters.

Also, holy God does that opening music grate after the first dozen episodes.


Then, never watch Patch Adams, because that's where it was heard first.
 
2012-05-02 03:29:43 PM

MindStalker: gopher321: I wonder what the next "great" technological breakthrough will be and when it will happen. Something fundamental like clean limitless energy, or space travel without chemical rockets.

I HAVE ADD AND I WANT MY BREAKTHROUGH DAMMIT.

Dude, we can fit millions of transistors on the head of a pin. What more do you want? Actual angels?


Just as long as they're not robotic:

images.wikia.com

or weeping:

images.wikia.com
 
2012-05-02 03:32:14 PM
Screw that. I want a laser-sword and psycho-electric abilities.
 
2012-05-02 03:36:30 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.

No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.


I've shat out turds that were better than Voyager.
 
2012-05-02 03:37:21 PM

Cythraul: I think they mention in the Khan storyline that the reason why human GMOs aren't not common is because genetic enhancement of humans / intelligent species is basically illegal. Or at least, thought of very negatively.


Yea, they talked about it in the TOS when Khan shows up, then in Enterprise when they talk about the Eugenics War and some in DS9.
 
2012-05-02 03:37:48 PM
Did this person ever actually watch an episode of Star Trek?

The final frontier isn't what you think it is

Humanity's advancing technologies strongly indicate that its trajectory is inwards rather than outwards. Our ongoing presence as static and mortal flesh-and-blood creatures is in serious doubt. We stand poised to build Dyson Spheres and Jupiter brains instead of spaceships and transporters. And at the same time, the possibility of us having to share this planet with artificially intelligent life vastly superior to our own gets more and more real with each passing decade.


Where to start?

TNG featured a whole episode with a Dyson Sphere, and in general, episodes about alien races that stop traveling around space.

Next, in the last few minutes of the TNG series finale, Q gives this whole speech about how the ultimate adventure is not trekking around the starts, but simply expanding our understanding of the universe.

Before The Borg were bastardized by Voyager, it brought up the theme of humanity and technology being in conflict and merging.
 
2012-05-02 03:39:52 PM
Using the notion of the Singularity (the Rapture for geeks), and uninstantiated minds invalidates whatever the author might have had to say. They might as well blather on about the End Times and sending souls to heaven.

I mean, how about we figure out a way to send a pair of gloves to Tau Ceti, uninstantiated so that neither the left glove nor the right glove needs to be sent, and then reinstantiated at the destination.
 
2012-05-02 03:41:38 PM
I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically. It's just that the changes are much subtler than the author of the article wants them to be.

Also, doesn't Picard have an artificial heart from when he was stabbed in a fight while he was still in the Academy?
 
2012-05-02 03:44:09 PM

Eccentric Fixation: I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically. It's just that the changes are much subtler than the author of the article wants them to be.

Also, doesn't Picard have an artificial heart from when he was stabbed in a fight while he was still in the Academy?


Yep. He was stabbed by a Nassican. "You play, Dam Jat, Hu-mon!" Or however that race and game are spelled.
 
2012-05-02 03:44:55 PM

Aar1012: Am I the only one that sees a problem with this paragraph?

"Parental demand for "human trait selection" is steadily increasing, and it'll only be a matter of time before families will be able to "enhance" their offspring in this way. Moreover, if parents don't do it, individuals will start to do it to themselves. Already today there's growing demand for such things as performance, cognitive and mood enhancement. It's a burgeoning grassroots trend that's only going to increase as more effective technologies are developed and as they become more accessible."

I believe that McCoy would chime in about the ethics of that and call Spock a 'Green-blooded son of a biatch'


Author's a d-bag. You can't use the term "grassroots" to something that only the 1% would even have access to.

/I do admire his bravery in coming out in support of sex based abortion in India and China.
 
2012-05-02 03:46:37 PM

Nurglitch: uninstantiated


You keep using that word...

(pic of Inigo Montoya)
 
2012-05-02 03:46:42 PM

Eccentric Fixation: I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically.


www.meh.ro
 
2012-05-02 03:48:46 PM
DNRTA, but I would geek out and think 'the real science fiction in Star Trek is the unexplained solution to all human socio-economic and political problems'.
 
2012-05-02 03:49:08 PM

DamnYankees: No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.


This, ladies and gentlemen, is called "damning with faint praise." :P

/I gave up at after the episode that included time travel and Nazi aliens.
 
2012-05-02 03:50:41 PM

Cythraul: Eccentric Fixation: I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically. It's just that the changes are much subtler than the author of the article wants them to be.

Also, doesn't Picard have an artificial heart from when he was stabbed in a fight while he was still in the Academy?

Yep. He was stabbed by a Nassican. "You play, Dam Jat, Hu-mon!" Or however that race and game are spelled.


And Nog on Deep Space 9 has an artificial leg.

Geordi also finally gets implants in Trek X.
 
2012-05-02 03:52:22 PM

give me doughnuts: Nurglitch: uninstantiated

You keep using that word...

(pic of Inigo Montoya)


Oh, what does it mean?
 
2012-05-02 03:53:19 PM

dennysgod: MindStalker: gopher321: I wonder what the next "great" technological breakthrough will be and when it will happen. Something fundamental like clean limitless energy, or space travel without chemical rockets.

I HAVE ADD AND I WANT MY BREAKTHROUGH DAMMIT.

Dude, we can fit millions of transistors on the head of a pin. What more do you want? Actual angels?

Just as long as they're not robotic:

[images.wikia.com image 500x400]

or weeping:

[images.wikia.com image 570x321]


or perching blogs.amctv.com
 
2012-05-02 03:53:32 PM
io9 sucks.
 
2012-05-02 03:53:51 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Cythraul: Well, of course. All the new modern visions of the future are going with a dystopian theme.

This. We get it, the dystopian thing is all the rage now, look at the hunger games. I read most of that article, and the theme seemed to be "Star Trek's positive idea of the future is wrong because the author believes in a much more depressing future." But hey, another crappy i09 article---why am I surprised?


Given current political climates, and the fact that there are 7 billion of us now, with varying ideals, beliefs, and so forth, I can't see humantity agreeing on whether or not you put ketchup on a hotdog, let alone major ideas that will benefit mankind and bring us into a utopia.

I predict a dystopia that thins out the current human population and gets everybody on the same mindset. That would be a base for a society that might lead to a utopia.
 
2012-05-02 03:58:01 PM

Eccentric Fixation: I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically.


Or, sometimes, pharmaceutically.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-02 03:58:30 PM

Shazam999: I've shat out turds that were better than Voyager.


As they lay there in the bowl, did they perchance resemble an old pickup truck floating in space?
 
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