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2012-05-02 04:01:51 PM
*holds envelope to forehead*

It's going to be some pie-in-the-sky derp about transhumanism, mind uploading, strong AI, and of course [awe] "The Singularity" [/awe].

*opens envelope*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder...

/god I hate Kurzweil and his ilk
 
2012-05-02 04:02:27 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.

No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.


I'm not speaking from experience, but I imagine being able to skip that damn theme song probably helps a lot.
 
2012-05-02 04:03:28 PM

Eccentric Fixation: I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically. It's just that the changes are much subtler than the author of the article wants them to be.

Also, doesn't Picard have an artificial heart from when he was stabbed in a fight while he was still in the Academy?


There are more radical augmented humans - the doctor from DS9, Bashir, we found out late in the series was genetically modified before birth by his parents for both physical and mental capability. It was highly illegal and when he was exposed, was a source of shame and significant prejudice is shown against him. Another in DS9's long list of "We're not as good as we think we are" moments.
 
2012-05-02 04:04:53 PM
The list made some good points, though it'll probably be just as dated in 50 years.
 
2012-05-02 04:05:21 PM

extroverted_suicide: DamnYankees: GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.

No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.

I'm not speaking from experience, but I imagine being able to skip that damn theme song probably helps a lot.


I didn't HATE the song... ok, I hated in when they started remixing it... but it's not a terrible song. It's just not a Trek theme.
 
2012-05-02 04:06:01 PM

Burr: Given current political climates, and the fact that there are 7 billion of us now, with varying ideals, beliefs, and so forth, I can't see humantity agreeing on whether or not you put ketchup on a hotdog, let alone major ideas that will benefit mankind and bring us into a utopia.

I predict a dystopia that thins out the current human population and gets everybody on the same mindset. That would be a base for a society that might lead to a utopia.



I dunno. I think once man is able to colonize other worlds in a meaningful way, it will be like getting off a plane that was stuck on the runway for 10 hours. All the little irritating things about the fellow passengers than 5 minutes ago was about to make you bite their throats out, now seems silly when you have fresh air and elbow room.

And since in the Trek universe, unlimited energy, perfect healthcare and material wealth is available to everyone, I can see many less wars and disputes.
 
2012-05-02 04:09:46 PM

Travis_Bickle: i09 is the lamest, dumbest Gawker site.

Think about what that means for a moment.


hectocotyli.files.wordpress.com

You made me think about it. I hope you're proud of yourself.
 
2012-05-02 04:11:20 PM

Magnanimous_J: I dunno. I think once man is able to colonize other worlds in a meaningful way, it will be like getting off a plane that was stuck on the runway for 10 hours. All the little irritating things about the fellow passengers than 5 minutes ago was about to make you bite their throats out, now seems silly when you have fresh air and elbow room.


So much this. Just think, every batshiat insane religion will have its own little psychotic eden to play in. Have a crazy political philosophy you think will save the world? Start your own colony and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

Although it would be interesting trying to convince the Amish to board spaceships...
 
2012-05-02 04:15:08 PM

Fish in a Barrel: DamnYankees: No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is called "damning with faint praise." :P

/I gave up at after the episode that included time travel and Nazi aliens.


That was a mistake, because the best episodes of Enterprise comes once they're past that shiat.

"In a Mirror, Darkly" Parts 1 & 2 are (as a single unit) in the top 10 Star Trek episodes ever. Possibly Top 5.

In usual tv fashion, they cancelled Enterprise just when it was getting good.
 
2012-05-02 04:15:10 PM

Burr: I predict a dystopia that thins out the current human population and gets everybody on the same mindset. That would be a base for a society that might lead to a utopia.


That's actually part of the lore of Star Trek, everything that was awesome about their future was partially made possible due to a World War (billions dead IIRC)
 
2012-05-02 04:17:56 PM

saintstryfe: Eccentric Fixation: I think most of the characters on Star Trek are augmented, either genetically or technologically. It's just that the changes are much subtler than the author of the article wants them to be.

Also, doesn't Picard have an artificial heart from when he was stabbed in a fight while he was still in the Academy?

There are more radical augmented humans - the doctor from DS9, Bashir, we found out late in the series was genetically modified before birth by his parents for both physical and mental capability. It was highly illegal and when he was exposed, was a source of shame and significant prejudice is shown against him. Another in DS9's long list of "We're not as good as we think we are" moments.


Aaaaaactually... it was after. He was developmentally disabled as a child and falling farther and farther behind in school. It's why his parents decided to give him the illegal treatment.
 
2012-05-02 04:20:31 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.

No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.


Whatever drugs you're on, keep them away from me.

/I can see my house from here!
//*vomit*
 
2012-05-02 04:31:31 PM
TFA:Where are all the human GMOs?
Eugenics wars
TFA:Owing to the catastrophe that was the Eugenics Wars, the United Federation of Planets banned genetic engineering.
I kind of don't want to read your article, if you're going to posit that there isn't a thing in a universe, and people can immediately say why, and you pop up with, "but that's not important"

TFA:The spaceship is dead
[goes on to describe a spaceship, albeit one without people, it's still a damned spaceship]

TFA:Hey wait a minute, what ever happened to the singularity?
May I counter with a slice of Butlerian Jihad? It may happen like the Eugenics Wars, we'll realize our mistake too late and then destroy the oppressors and imprint on our children that they should never make machines smarter than themselves.
Or maybe we hit the limit with Moore's law and we can't get the machines to be so small as you'd like, or maybe computers have an inherent limit within them that prevents them from being truly intelligent
 
2012-05-02 04:34:45 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: Fish in a Barrel: DamnYankees: No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is called "damning with faint praise." :P

/I gave up at after the episode that included time travel and Nazi aliens.

That was a mistake, because the best episodes of Enterprise comes once they're past that shiat.

"In a Mirror, Darkly" Parts 1 & 2 are (as a single unit) in the top 10 Star Trek episodes ever. Possibly Top 5.

In usual tv fashion, they cancelled Enterprise just when it was getting good.


I am sorry if it takes 3 full seasons before you start making interesting television. It really shouldn't have to take that long.
 
2012-05-02 04:43:14 PM
Mayhem of the Black Underclass:
TFA:Hey wait a minute, what ever happened to the singularity?
May I counter with a slice of Butlerian Jihad? It may happen like the Eugenics Wars, we'll realize our mistake too late and then destroy the oppressors and imprint on our children that they should never make machines smarter than themselves.
Or maybe we hit the limit with Moore's law and we can't get the machines to be so small as you'd like, or maybe computers have an inherent limit within them that prevents them from being truly intelligent

Truly intelligent? Is that like being truly Scottish?
 
2012-05-02 04:45:14 PM
" .... But the age of Machine-entities swiftly passed. In their ceaseless experimenting, they had learned to store knowledge in the structure of space itself, and to preserve their thoughts for eternity in frozen lattices of light. They could become creatures of radiation, free at last from the tyranny of matter.

Into pure energy, therefore, they presently tranformed themselves; and on a thousand worlds, the empty shells they had discarded twitched for a while in a mindless dance of death, then crumbled into rust.

Now they were lords of the galaxy, and beyond the reach of time. They could rove at will among the stars, and sink like a subtle mist through the very interstices of space. But despite their godlike powers, they had not wholly forgotten their origin, in the warm slime of a vanished sea."

A.C. Clarke, 2001


If this is actually possible then there must be countless other life forms from other planets and other galaxies that have already achieved this.
 
2012-05-02 04:47:46 PM

thornhill: Before The Borg were bastardized by Voyager


My brother brought up a pretty good point when we were teenagers about 14 years ago: "You'd think a race that could adapt so crazy fast would stop getting themselves blown up by trying to conquer Earth by brute force."

It seemed to me that they were put in there as a warning of what the Federation was becoming or could become. So the franchise really jumped the shark, in my opinion, when the Federation assimilated Seven of Nine and the Borg kids. I'd like to believe it was sardonicism but I find it far more likely the lead writers were just complete nitwits with no sense of irony.

/then there was the Warp 10 episode...
 
2012-05-02 04:48:57 PM
FTA: "The idea that the presence of smarter, fitter, and happier people will result in a war that causes the death of 30 million people is a bit of a stretch."

Considering that we had a war that caused the death of over FIFTY million based on people merely THINKING that they were "smarter, fitter, and happier"...
 
2012-05-02 04:53:25 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: PIP_the_TROLL: Fish in a Barrel: DamnYankees: No, its pretty decent. Not amazing, but certainly better than Voyager.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is called "damning with faint praise." :P

/I gave up at after the episode that included time travel and Nazi aliens.

That was a mistake, because the best episodes of Enterprise comes once they're past that shiat.

"In a Mirror, Darkly" Parts 1 & 2 are (as a single unit) in the top 10 Star Trek episodes ever. Possibly Top 5.

In usual tv fashion, they cancelled Enterprise just when it was getting good.

I am sorry if it takes 3 full seasons before you start making interesting television. It really shouldn't have to take that long.


yea, but if you've already gone through and paid for the suck, why not keep going with the good?
 
2012-05-02 04:55:42 PM
I'll take Star Trek's optimistic future over the current dystopian trend.

The "where's the Singularity?" complaint is irrelevent because that's not how the tech in the setting worked. There was some transhumanism in the series as far back as TOS "The Ultimate Computer" when Dr. Daystrom gave the M5 some of his own personality, and again in TNG when a dying man transferred his consciousness into Data.
 
2012-05-02 05:00:37 PM

clovis69: Also, why no singularity?

To soon, Vernor Vinge talks about it like it's around the corner, but in sci-fi often it takes longer to achieve than where Star Trek is.


To be fair, the singularity has been achieved in Star Trek, it's basically what the Borg are, self-optimizing technology that prioritizes self-improvement over older, biologically-rooted morality like family and tribes and so on.

They're probably a big part of the reason that humans aren't big on automation outside of androids specifically limited to retain a human viewpoint, given that the singularity tires to kill the lot of us every time we run into it.
 
2012-05-02 05:02:26 PM
The guy who wrote that is an IDIOT

Check this out:

Now, while all this Star Trek canon is fine and well, the fact of the matter is that human civilization has not gone through any kind of cataclysmic event like the Eugenics Wars, and it's highly unlikely that we ever will. The idea that the presence of smarter, fitter, and happier people will result in a war that causes the death of 30 million people is a bit of a stretch.

HAHAHAHA. Just 70 years ago we had the mother of all wars that ended on the death of more than 50 million people. And what was the reason?

A bunch of guys THOUGHT they were better than the rest. And we went to war for that. Imagine what will happen when there's a group a dudes actually better than the rest of us.
 
2012-05-02 05:04:26 PM

lamecomedian: FTA: "The idea that the presence of smarter, fitter, and happier people will result in a war that causes the death of 30 million people is a bit of a stretch."

Considering that we had a war that caused the death of over FIFTY million based on people merely THINKING that they were "smarter, fitter, and happier"...


This.
The problem with having one race of humans scientifically defined and veritably proven as superior is they can pretty much wipe the floor with normal folks in any competition. Whether it be politics, sports, or the job market, superior people will demand and earn superior pay and attention.

That's almost guaranteed to cause a war in one way or another.
 
2012-05-02 05:04:28 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Although it would be interesting trying to convince the Amish to board spaceships...


Why? It's the idiot's belief that they are technophobes. They just don't like you, lardass (and, well, by extension "us"). The principle motivation in remaining an agrarian culture is their belief that they must remain separated from the world at large. Which includes anything that makes you lazy and rude, such as telephones (which promote gossip and are seen as highly impersonal) or internal combustion powered tillers (God gave man dominion over the beasts, that's good enough).

The Amish do have telephones, they do use electricity - especially where required by law (e.g. warning lights on road buggies, milk tank stirrers) - and they do occasionally fly on planes.

I would imagine they would actually be excited at the possibility of starting a new colony on a planet elsewhere with the promise of not being bothered by the English and various state governments.

/seriously dude, this is a significant culture in your own damned country. Study up.
 
2012-05-02 05:11:19 PM

lamecomedian: FTA: "The idea that the presence of smarter, fitter, and happier people will result in a war that causes the death of 30 million people is a bit of a stretch."

Considering that we had a war that caused the death of over FIFTY million based on people merely THINKING that they were "smarter, fitter, and happier"...


Wow, your post. Mine. Wow XD
 
2012-05-02 05:15:17 PM

rocky_howard: lamecomedian: FTA: "The idea that the presence of smarter, fitter, and happier people will result in a war that causes the death of 30 million people is a bit of a stretch."

Considering that we had a war that caused the death of over FIFTY million based on people merely THINKING that they were "smarter, fitter, and happier"...

Wow, your post. Mine. Wow XD


But are they more productive? Do they still kiss with saliva?
 
2012-05-02 05:18:04 PM

Rhypskallion: DNRTA, but I would geek out and think 'the real science fiction in Star Trek is the unexplained solution to all human socio-economic and political problems'.


Blame an overly-optimistic belief in the goodness of human nature. Like the 4th-Century BC neo-Confucian philosopher Mencius, humanists of Roddenberry's stripe take it as an article of faith that humans are inherently good (see also the myth of the Noble Savage), and that therefore anything bad about us must be the result of external conditions (poverty, lack of education, etc). Provide suitably-positive external conditions (replicators, correct social policies, post-scarcity economics, free education for everyone, etc), and humanity will naturally flourish by the power of its innate goodness. Roddenberry would refuse to believe that humans are bastards because we're a species of aggressive, territorial, xenophobic primates who are better at rationalizing than we are at rationality, and that in the 23rd Century, we'd be a species of aggressive, territorial, xenophobic primates who are better at rationalizing than we are at rationality... but now with phasers.
 
2012-05-02 05:22:00 PM

Son of Thunder: Rhypskallion: DNRTA, but I would geek out and think 'the real science fiction in Star Trek is the unexplained solution to all human socio-economic and political problems'.

Blame an overly-optimistic belief in the goodness of human nature. Like the 4th-Century BC neo-Confucian philosopher Mencius, humanists of Roddenberry's stripe take it as an article of faith that humans are inherently good (see also the myth of the Noble Savage), and that therefore anything bad about us must be the result of external conditions (poverty, lack of education, etc). Provide suitably-positive external conditions (replicators, correct social policies, post-scarcity economics, free education for everyone, etc), and humanity will naturally flourish by the power of its innate goodness. Roddenberry would refuse to believe that humans are bastards because we're a species of aggressive, territorial, xenophobic primates who are better at rationalizing than we are at rationality, and that in the 23rd Century, we'd be a species of aggressive, territorial, xenophobic primates who are better at rationalizing than we are at rationality... but now with phasers.


Preach on, Brother.

I loathe the humanistic utopia philosophy of Star Trek. I honestly find it quite sickening.
 
2012-05-02 05:26:02 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Although it would be interesting trying to convince the Amish to board spaceships...

Why? It's the idiot's belief that they are technophobes. They just don't like you, lardass (and, well, by extension "us"). The principle motivation in remaining an agrarian culture is their belief that they must remain separated from the world at large. Which includes anything that makes you lazy and rude, such as telephones (which promote gossip and are seen as highly impersonal) or internal combustion powered tillers (God gave man dominion over the beasts, that's good enough).

The Amish do have telephones, they do use electricity - especially where required by law (e.g. warning lights on road buggies, milk tank stirrers) - and they do occasionally fly on planes.

I would imagine they would actually be excited at the possibility of starting a new colony on a planet elsewhere with the promise of not being bothered by the English and various state governments.

/seriously dude, this is a significant culture in your own damned country. Study up.


You are thinking of poor people. Not only do Amish NOT embrace technology of ANY kind, but most of them don't even know they are Amish. As far as they are concerned, they are on the forefront of barn construction and black clothing technology. They are unaware the outside world exists at all because they believe that on the outer edges of their territory live monsters who will eat them if they venture too far out. They are not socially conservative and polite as we are led to believe, but actually foul mouthed wife swappers who settle most quarrels with a ritualistic duel that involves stripping naked and "sword fighting," so to speak.

The only ones who know the truth about the whole thing are the Elders. However, they are frightened into silence by the belief that telling the others will invoke the wrath of monsters. It's a surprisingly nudity and monster based belief system.

The people we think of as Amish are just poor and making excuses for their slovenly situation.

The elders
 
2012-05-02 05:28:39 PM
Well, the biggest things wrong with Star Trek weren't even mentioned:

1. Faster than light travel seems neigh impossible
2. Teleporters seem even more impossible

Replicator-like devices I can believe. Version .00012C Alpha of such a thing already exists (in the form of 3D printers and the like). But warp drives and teleporters? I see no evidence of even the first being invented any time soon, nor even of it being possible on a theoritical level.

Instead, the author goes on and on about pie-in-the-sky crap about a technological singularity and the like.
 
2012-05-02 05:44:57 PM
Hopefully, it will be like the Alpha Centauri future
 
2012-05-02 05:46:43 PM

slayer199: So, they're saying we're facing more of a Terminator or Matrix-like existence than Star Trek.

Fortunately, I won't be around for the technological "Singularity"Cythraul: Or at least, maybe, watch GATTACA, or something.

One of the things I loved about Gattaca is that the point was the human spirit is more powerful than the body containing it.


A modern day Paul Bunyon story. I'm glad I'm not the only one who really likes that movie.
 
2012-05-02 05:52:39 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Although it would be interesting trying to convince the Amish to board spaceships...

Why? It's the idiot's belief that they are technophobes. They just don't like you, lardass (and, well, by extension "us"). The principle motivation in remaining an agrarian culture is their belief that they must remain separated from the world at large. Which includes anything that makes you lazy and rude, such as telephones (which promote gossip and are seen as highly impersonal) or internal combustion powered tillers (God gave man dominion over the beasts, that's good enough).

The Amish do have telephones, they do use electricity - especially where required by law (e.g. warning lights on road buggies, milk tank stirrers) - and they do occasionally fly on planes.

I would imagine they would actually be excited at the possibility of starting a new colony on a planet elsewhere with the promise of not being bothered by the English and various state governments.

/seriously dude, this is a significant culture in your own damned country. Study up.


A culture, sure. Significant? That seems like a stretch to me. Maybe in the areas they live, but in the rest of the country, nobody cares.
 
2012-05-02 05:53:52 PM
Wow, I didn't realize so many people were anti-Singularity. I thought it was refreshing to read an optimistic view of the future and some of that stuff is already happening(pretty much everything in the biology chapters).
 
2012-05-02 05:56:56 PM

Magnanimous_J: You are thinking of poor people. Not only do Amish NOT embrace technology of ANY kind, but most of them don't even know they are Amish. As far as they are concerned, they are on the forefront of barn construction and black clothing technology. They are unaware the outside world exists at all because they believe that on the outer edges of their territory live monsters who will eat them if they venture too far out. They are not socially conservative and polite as we are led to believe, but actually foul mouthed wife swappers who settle most quarrels with a ritualistic duel that involves stripping naked and "sword fighting," so to speak.

The only ones who know the truth about the whole thing are the Elders. However, they are frightened into silence by the belief that telling the others will invoke the wrath of monsters. It's a surprisingly nudity and monster based belief system.

The people we think of as Amish are just poor and making excuses for their slovenly situation.

The elders


That would make a great movie. You could maybe just show them without the outside world at first, then in a surprising plot twist, you reveal that they are in the modern world. If only M. Night Shyamalan wasn't a joke these days.
 
2012-05-02 05:58:33 PM

GAT_00: So, side note. Apparently every single episode of Enterprise is up on the official Star Trek website and it isn't anywhere near as bad as I remember.


"The Video you have requested is not available for your geographic region"

Man I hate shiat like that. I remember when the internet truly was global.
 
2012-05-02 05:59:07 PM

Magnanimous_J: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Although it would be interesting trying to convince the Amish to board spaceships...

Why? It's the idiot's belief that they are technophobes. They just don't like you, lardass (and, well, by extension "us"). The principle motivation in remaining an agrarian culture is their belief that they must remain separated from the world at large. Which includes anything that makes you lazy and rude, such as telephones (which promote gossip and are seen as highly impersonal) or internal combustion powered tillers (God gave man dominion over the beasts, that's good enough).

The Amish do have telephones, they do use electricity - especially where required by law (e.g. warning lights on road buggies, milk tank stirrers) - and they do occasionally fly on planes.

I would imagine they would actually be excited at the possibility of starting a new colony on a planet elsewhere with the promise of not being bothered by the English and various state governments.

/seriously dude, this is a significant culture in your own damned country. Study up.

You are thinking of poor people. Not only do Amish NOT embrace technology of ANY kind, but most of them don't even know they are Amish. As far as they are concerned, they are on the forefront of barn construction and black clothing technology. They are unaware the outside world exists at all because they believe that on the outer edges of their territory live monsters who will eat them if they venture too far out. They are not socially conservative and polite as we are led to believe, but actually foul mouthed wife swappers who settle most quarrels with a ritualistic duel that involves stripping naked and "sword fighting," so to speak.

The only ones who know the truth about the whole thing are the Elders. However, they are frightened into silence by the belief that telling the others will invoke the wrath of monsters. It's a surprisingly nudity and monster based belief system.

The people we thi ...


Something is seriously wrong with you.
 
2012-05-02 06:04:22 PM

thornhill:
And Nog on Deep Space 9 has an artificial leg.


I thought they grew it back.
 
2012-05-02 06:06:09 PM
Take Lieutenant Commander Data, an android capable of over 60 trillion operations per second (compared to 13 trillion per second for humans) and who has a total storage capacity of over 93 million gigabytes (humans have a capacity of about 1,024 GB).

Oy.

These numbers are entirely fictional. No one has even the faintest idea how much storage the human brain is capable of, or how many operations per second it's capable of. The brain has layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of processing abstractions, so many that untangling them all may be an unsolvable problem. As much as I love the idea of uploading consciousness, the idea implicitly assumes that neurons and synapses are all there is to the human experience. There's a hell of a lot more information moving around in there than just the meat.
 
2012-05-02 06:08:46 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Why? It's the idiot's belief that they are technophobes. They just don't like you, lardass (and, well, by extension "us"). The principle motivation in remaining an agrarian culture is their belief that they must remain separated from the world at large. Which includes anything that makes you lazy and rude, such as telephones (which promote gossip and are seen as highly impersonal) or internal combustion powered tillers (God gave man dominion over the beasts, that's good enough).

The Amish do have telephones, they do use electricity - especially where required by law (e.g. warning lights on road buggies, milk tank stirrers) - and they do occasionally fly on planes.

I would imagine they would actually be excited at the possibility of starting a new colony on a planet elsewhere with the promise of not being bothered by the English and various state governments.

/seriously dude, this is a significant culture in your own damned country. Study up.


*facepalm* Your sarcasm detector is probably filled with dust. Try blowing into the aperture a few times.
 
2012-05-02 06:15:31 PM
My favorite is when the Jetsons were still playing records. Little records, sure, but records with a needle.
 
2012-05-02 06:22:30 PM
Thing that Star Trek got right: We didn't end up fighting the commies for the next 5000 years like everyone else thought.
 
2012-05-02 06:35:30 PM

Fano: Thing that Star Trek got right: We didn't end up fighting the commies for the next 5000 years like everyone else thought.


That broke a lot of sci fi stories badly. The movie 2010 was the biggest one that was completely screwed (just a glancing blow in 2001).
 
2012-05-02 06:37:51 PM

xant: Take Lieutenant Commander Data, an android capable of over 60 trillion operations per second (compared to 13 trillion per second for humans) and who has a total storage capacity of over 93 million gigabytes (humans have a capacity of about 1,024 GB).

Oy.

These numbers are entirely fictional. No one has even the faintest idea how much storage the human brain is capable of, or how many operations per second it's capable of. The brain has layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of processing abstractions, so many that untangling them all may be an unsolvable problem. As much as I love the idea of uploading consciousness, the idea implicitly assumes that neurons and synapses are all there is to the human experience. There's a hell of a lot more information moving around in there than just the meat.


I seem to remember reading a claim somewhere that the human brain had a capacity of about 200-300MB, but in any case it's a pointless metric since the fundamental architecture of the brain is completely different from that of any computer.

Also, Data also seems a bit anachronistic once you've studied a bit of actual artificial intelligence. For several decades (including when TOS was on the air and when TNG was first being developed), it was believed that if you could program a computer with a large enough set of logic rules describing itself and its environment, you would end up with a human-like intelligence. As it turns out, however, human intelligence is not based on rules of logic, so even if that sort of intelligent computer could be developed, its thought process would be completely alien to us.
 
2012-05-02 06:39:43 PM
Maybe some of the ST nerds can answer a probably stupid question. Why is it that ST: Enterprise klingons look the same as ST: TNG? what happened to the ST:TOS Era Klingons?

/Just started watching Enterprise, just kinda made me curious
//it may even answer the question for me, but hey, the internet is made for instant gratification (and answering of questions)
///yes..it's for pr0n too
 
2012-05-02 06:48:35 PM

Unoriginal_Username: Maybe some of the ST nerds can answer a probably stupid question. Why is it that ST: Enterprise klingons look the same as ST: TNG? what happened to the ST:TOS Era Klingons?


Remember that DS9 anniversary episode where they went back in time to the Tribbles TOS episode? Where Bashir and O'Brien asked Worf why Klingons back then looked the way they did, and even offered a couple possibilities as to why? Turns out they didn't get an answer because the writers thought that any idea they would have would be considered ridiculous.

Then in ENT, the writers for that show decided to use a combination of the two half assed ideas that Bashir and O'Brien offered that were thought of as having been ridiculous
 
2012-05-02 06:50:27 PM

Unoriginal_Username: Maybe some of the ST nerds can answer a probably stupid question. Why is it that ST: Enterprise klingons look the same as ST: TNG? what happened to the ST:TOS Era Klingons?


Have you seen DS9? They (the Klingons) don't like to talk about it.
 
2012-05-02 07:00:43 PM
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"What Stross proposes is a system that utilizes machine-phase diamond-substrate nanotechnology, mind uploading, and artificial general intelligence. The end result wouldn't be much like a "ship". Rather, it would consist of a diamondoid data storage device (which would hold the data patterns of the uninstantiated space travelers) hanging below a light sail. The sail itself would be energized by lasers that are powered by huge orbiting solar power stations. "


Officially the dumbest thing I've read today.
 
2012-05-02 07:03:44 PM

DamnYankees: GAT_00: DamnYankees: One of the more surprising aspects of the Star Trek future is that a technological Singularity never happened. This is highly unlikely, given the timelines provided by some futurists like Ray Kurzweil and Hans Moravec who predict one later this century.

Oy.

That's hilarious. We predict something is going to happen, therefore a fictional future where it doesn't happen must be wrong!

Not to mention "we" didn't predict anything. The singularity is a prediction of kranks.


Fiction, how does it work?
 
2012-05-02 07:15:16 PM

the_sidewinder: Unoriginal_Username: Maybe some of the ST nerds can answer a probably stupid question. Why is it that ST: Enterprise klingons look the same as ST: TNG? what happened to the ST:TOS Era Klingons?

Remember that DS9 anniversary episode where they went back in time to the Tribbles TOS episode? Where Bashir and O'Brien asked Worf why Klingons back then looked the way they did, and even offered a couple possibilities as to why? Turns out they didn't get an answer because the writers thought that any idea they would have would be considered ridiculous.

Then in ENT, the writers for that show decided to use a combination of the two half assed ideas that Bashir and O'Brien offered that were thought of as having been ridiculous


I remember that episode, and well, your explanation makes more sense then any that could be though up by hollywood writers.
 
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