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(Political Wire)   The Republican led house has only worked 41 of the first 127 days of 2012. 41 working, 86 complaining about Obama's golf outings   (politicalwire.com) divider line 159
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2012-05-02 04:15:15 PM

thomps: Looks like those clowns in congress are at it again. What a bunch of clowns!


How does it keep up with the news like that?
 
2012-05-02 04:15:54 PM

Geotpf: bdub77: If I were in the House I would propose a bill that allowed the American people to vote all of Congress out at once, a vote of no confidence on all 535 members. Simple Yes/No, it would require 80% of a national vote.

It would of course never be made into law.

That would require more than a law; it would require a constitutional amendment (unless it's non-binding).


Most folks don't realize the adoption of the US Constitution was essentially an extralegal coup which deposed the legitimate governments of the time. Because it's not taught that way.
 
2012-05-02 04:17:02 PM

quatchi: Worst. Congress. EVER.

Single digit approval numbers are earned not accidents.


It's the Republican plan. They want people to hate government. They are doing nothing on purpose.
 
2012-05-02 04:17:05 PM
In the last year, the GOP has introduced 916 bills targeting womens health and reproductive rights. But there is no war on women. Women should vote for the GOP because the GOP cares about the economy.
 
2012-05-02 04:17:30 PM

Riothamus: Most folks don't realize the adoption of the US Constitution was essentially an extralegal coup which deposed the legitimate governments of the time


Um. The US Constitution was ratified in 1787, and replaced the Articles of Confederation. What "legitimate governments" did it depose, exactly?
 
2012-05-02 04:18:37 PM
I don't understand the "Tax and spend" meme at all.

I mean, raising taxes and spending the money that comes in as a result makes a whole lot more sense than lowering taxes and spending money that just doesn't exist... Admittedly, I'm lousy with numbers, but if I'm wrong, can somebody please explain why?
 
2012-05-02 04:19:03 PM

Pincy: quatchi: Worst. Congress. EVER.

Single digit approval numbers are earned not accidents.

It's the Republican plan. They want people to hate government. They are doing nothing on purpose.


I think the deliberate destruction of the people's faith in our institutions of government is the most sinister of all of the Republican tactics.
 
2012-05-02 04:19:10 PM
And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-02 04:19:25 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

But vote incumbent (from either party) anyway.


The Seattle municipal government hasn't produced a federal budget either! And neither has the night-shift manager at the local Arby's! What the fark is their problem?
 
2012-05-02 04:20:02 PM

Pincy: Dancin_In_Anson: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

But vote incumbent (from either party) anyway.

Do you even know how Congress works?


Are you suggesting budgets do not originate in the Senate? YOU SIR ARE CRAZY. If only there were a document, some sort of important thing from our nations past that would clear this situation up.
 
2012-05-02 04:20:27 PM
Yeah, the biatching about Obama playing golf is getting pretty ridiculous. He still hasn't taken as much vacation as Bush did, yet we hear about it incessantly.

This is from Feb 20th:
According to presidential watcher Mark Knoller of CBS, George W. Bush, at this time of his presidency, had made 30 visits to his Texas ranch spanning all or part of 220 days. The Obama's vacation day count is less than half of that.
Those damn Obamas...

Of course, when Bush did it, we were told about all of his fancy "technology" that allowed him to be instantly available anywhere in the space-time continuum, sadly, somehow we have lost all of that tech, and an Obama vacation is next to treason, at least to hear anyone on the Right talk about it.
 
2012-05-02 04:21:08 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand the "Tax and spend" meme at all.

I mean, raising taxes and spending the money that comes in as a result makes a whole lot more sense than lowering taxes and spending money that just doesn't exist... Admittedly, I'm lousy with numbers, but if I'm wrong, can somebody please explain why?


It's a manipulative bullshiat rightist talking point based in lizard brain thinking. "Stop taxin'! Stop spending'!" sounds good if you have the critical thinking ability of a turnip.
 
2012-05-02 04:21:12 PM

Jackson Herring: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

i.imgur.com


That picture is not cute at all.
 
2012-05-02 04:21:23 PM
Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.
 
2012-05-02 04:21:52 PM

Pincy: Do you even know how Congress works?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-02 04:23:03 PM

lennavan: Jackson Herring: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

[i.imgur.com image 614x179]

That picture is not cute at all.


It's also not right. At all.
 
2012-05-02 04:23:40 PM

cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.


Yeah, I kinda thought we were accomplishing too much as a nation, anyhoo. We should slide even further back, until the expectations of the rest of the world are so abismal there's no way we can't exceed them. I can only imagine what kind of student you were at home.
 
2012-05-02 04:23:51 PM

cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.


They've got nothing to do? All problems are solved? Alrighty then.
 
2012-05-02 04:23:57 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: lennavan: Jackson Herring: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

[i.imgur.com image 614x179]

That picture is not cute at all.

It's also not right. At all.


It is very nearly straight though
 
2012-05-02 04:24:32 PM

lennavan: In the last year, the GOP has introduced 916 bills targeting womens health and reproductive rights. But there is no war on women. Women should vote for the GOP because the GOP cares about the economy.


Remember, the DEMOCRATS are the ones with the war on women. That's because they inherited a recession caused by Republican policies and Republican owners and then were unable to overcome a Republican filibuster in order to fix the problem fast enough, and in that recession, women have lost jobs

The moral is vote Republican.
 
2012-05-02 04:24:59 PM

qorkfiend: cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.

They've got nothing to do? All problems are solved? Alrighty then.


What makes you think that they can actually solve all of society's problems? They can't
 
2012-05-02 04:25:40 PM
127 days? Is this article from the future?
 
2012-05-02 04:25:43 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: James!: If the budgets are terrible they shouldn't be passed.

Are you suggesting that the Democratics in the Senate are only capable of producing terrible budgets?

No way.


It's already been explained to you that the Senate doesn't produce the budget. The House does. The Senate votes on the budgets the House produces.
 
2012-05-02 04:25:47 PM

cman: qorkfiend: cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.

They've got nothing to do? All problems are solved? Alrighty then.

What makes you think that they can actually solve all of society's problems? They can't


What makes you think they have nothing to do? They don't.
 
2012-05-02 04:28:01 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Keep in mind that 1 of those days was spent reading the Constitution.

/Still probably one of the more productive sessions


You forgot an adverb there.

//.... poorly.
 
2012-05-02 04:32:37 PM

Pincy: Dancin_In_Anson: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

But vote incumbent (from either party) anyway.

Do you even know how Congress works?


Given that the legislation is written by the lobbyists, and the congress people cant even negotiate on getting something passable as a bill from that, I would contend that congress, in the form it has taken since about the middle of the Clinton Administration, has not worked.
 
2012-05-02 04:33:35 PM
Um, isn't this fairly typical of an election year? I'm not really feeling the outrage here. "Do-nothing congress" has been a fallback bit of propaganda since the 1810s or so, and no doubt the same kind of shiat was thrown around back in the 500s BCE in Rome and earlier in Athens.

lennavan: Are you suggesting budgets do not originate in the Senate? YOU SIR ARE CRAZY. If only there were a document, some sort of important thing from our nations past that would clear this situation up.


If you're referring to the Constitution, it places the powers and duties of budget-making in the hands of congress generally, not the Senate specifically. In practical terms there's usually a house budget, a senate budget, and then the Executive branch's suggested budget, and the first two are reconciled with reference to the latter.

By the same token:

A Dark Evil Omen: The Seattle municipal government hasn't produced a federal budget either! And neither has the night-shift manager at the local Arby's! What the fark is their problem?


If you're implying that the President's budget is binding, it isn't, so far as I know. The night-shift manager could submit a budget to congress and it'd have the same legal force as the executive one, though I imagine it wouldn't be quite as thorough or well-thought-out.

//Obviously the Executive's suggested budget tends to be taken fairly seriously as it contains most of the raw data on the last years' expenditures and the departments' opinions regarding what they need funding-wise. But that's not the same thing as actually having legal force.
 
2012-05-02 04:33:37 PM
... but remember folks, they are NOT in recess!
 
2012-05-02 04:33:39 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: And the Democratic controlled Senate has not produced a budget in 3 years.

But vote incumbent (from either party) anyway.


Spending and Taxation bills are required to originate in the house, are you proposing an amendment to the constitution, or just suggesting that Democrats should end-run it?
 
2012-05-02 04:33:57 PM

Rootus: 127 days? Is this article from the future?


Today is May 2nd. Math tells us

31 + 29 + 31 + 30 + 2 = 123.

Apparently they are from 4 days in the future.

//was prepared to prove you wrong, looks like the author or whoever is in fact the retard.
 
2012-05-02 04:34:57 PM

cman: qorkfiend: cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.

They've got nothing to do? All problems are solved? Alrighty then.

What makes you think that they can actually solve all of society's problems? They can't


Oh, then I guess they shouldn't try, right? If you can't do 100% of the things you set out for, do nothing!

That's a great attitude.
 
2012-05-02 04:35:26 PM

coeyagi: Rootus: 127 days? Is this article from the future?

Today is May 2nd. Math tells us

31 + 29 + 31 + 30 + 2 = 123.

Apparently they are from 4 days in the future.

//was prepared to prove you wrong, looks like the author or whoever is in fact the retard.


Maybe they've all gone home until next Monday?
 
2012-05-02 04:41:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: We can't? Based on what evidence?


Is employment better or worse in high tax environments? Let's have a look.

Let's go with some research that will be responded to with little more than "your blog sucks" (two links).

pdf warning

But let's try spreading the wealth.

And so on and so on* and so on.

But hey. It'll work this time.

*copy pasta...but it's a WSJ link so you won't bother http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620502560925 156.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

lennavan: Are you suggesting budgets do not originate in the Senate?


Of course they don't originate in the Senate. But the Senate is tasked with coming up with a budget plan as well, are they not? However doing so would be "foolish".
 
2012-05-02 04:43:52 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: lennavan: Are you suggesting budgets do not originate in the Senate?

Of course they don't originate in the Senate. But the Senate is tasked with coming up with a budget plan as well, are they not? However doing so would be "foolish".


Between you not understanding where budgets come from and the other Repub not understanding how progressive taxation works, we have some pretty sharp intellectual Republicans here on Fark.
 
2012-05-02 04:44:32 PM
And the Senate hasn't passed a Budget since April 29, 2009.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-02 04:44:49 PM

HeartBurnKid: It's already been explained to you that the Senate doesn't produce the budget. The House does. The Senate votes on the budgets the House produces.


The Senate Budget Committee was established in 1974 by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act. Along with the House Budget Committee, it is responsible for drafting Congress' annual budget plan and monitoring action on the budget for the Federal Government. In addition, the Budget Committee has jurisdiction over the operation of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The Committee is currently chaired by Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND).
 
2012-05-02 04:44:58 PM
Oh good, it's the D_I_A implies things without saying them so you can never call him on his sloppy thinking thread.
 
2012-05-02 04:45:26 PM

Jim_Callahan: If you're referring to the Constitution, it places the powers and duties of budget-making in the hands of congress generally, not the Senate specifically. In practical terms there's usually a house budget, a senate budget, and then the Executive branch's suggested budget, and the first two are reconciled with reference to the latter.


You sir, are a passionate defender of what you imagine the constitution to be. I must ask, are you from the area? An "area man" if you will?
 
2012-05-02 04:47:38 PM
Mildot

And the Senate hasn't passed a Budget since April 29, 2009.


Yep, because the President in the only person in the government.
 
2012-05-02 04:50:02 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Is employment better or worse in high tax environments? Let's have a look


I'm not sure what state income taxes would have to do with raising federal income tax. Please explain this to me. Are you saying the Federal government would raise the federal income tax in some states and not others?

Alternatively, are you saying that when federal taxes are raised, the economy suffers? Because Reagan raised federal income taxes 11 times and the economy was fairly good, was it not?
 
2012-05-02 04:51:05 PM

cpw49684: Dammit, they deserve that lifetime pension and unlimited health insurance!!!


What lifetime pension?
 
2012-05-02 04:51:34 PM

lennavan: You sir, are a passionate defender of what you imagine the constitution to be. I must ask, are you from the area? An "area man" if you will?


Actually, I wasn't 100% certain, so I did what most people would do and opened the full text in another window and re-read the entire section on congress to make certain I wasn't wrong before posting.

It's not exactly Tolstoy, you know, it only takes about five minutes to go over the entire document, maybe another ten or 15 to work out how all the amendments apply.
 
2012-05-02 04:53:17 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HeartBurnKid: It's already been explained to you that the Senate doesn't produce the budget. The House does. The Senate votes on the budgets the House produces.

The Senate Budget Committee was established in 1974 by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act. Along with the House Budget Committee, it is responsible for drafting Congress' annual budget plan and monitoring action on the budget for the Federal Government. In addition, the Budget Committee has jurisdiction over the operation of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The Committee is currently chaired by Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND).


And? None of that implies that they have to pass their own budget. They consider the budget that is passed by the House.
 
2012-05-02 04:53:24 PM

BSABSVR: Oh good, it's the D_I_A implies things without saying them so you can never call him on his sloppy thinking thread.


Someone must have lit up the Captain Semantics signal again.

'I can honestly say that I never said 'I enjoy the blue sailboat.' So don't assume I enjoy that boat.'

-5 minutes earlier-

'I favor the blue sailboat.'

See? COMPLETELY different.
 
2012-05-02 04:54:59 PM
Considering this is Fark, I'm shocked that the hero tag wasn't used.

Shocked, I tell ya.
 
2012-05-02 04:56:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cman: qorkfiend: cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.

They've got nothing to do? All problems are solved? Alrighty then.

What makes you think that they can actually solve all of society's problems? They can't

Oh, then I guess they shouldn't try, right? If you can't do 100% of the things you set out for, do nothing!

That's a great attitude.


Wow, nice stretch. I wish I was that good.
 
2012-05-02 04:58:50 PM

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: qorkfiend: cman: Good.

A sitting government with nothing to do wastes everyone's time and passes useless legislation to make them feel good about themselves. I wish they worked even less of the time.

They've got nothing to do? All problems are solved? Alrighty then.

What makes you think that they can actually solve all of society's problems? They can't

Oh, then I guess they shouldn't try, right? If you can't do 100% of the things you set out for, do nothing!

That's a great attitude.

Wow, nice stretch. I wish I was that good.


You're the one that suggested they have nothing to do since they can't solve "all" of society's problems.
 
2012-05-02 05:00:21 PM
This thread was raped right out of the gate. Fantastic.
 
2012-05-02 05:00:24 PM

Jim_Callahan: lennavan: You sir, are a passionate defender of what you imagine the constitution to be. I must ask, are you from the area? An "area man" if you will?

Actually, I wasn't 100% certain, so I did what most people would do and opened the full text in another window and re-read the entire section on congress to make certain I wasn't wrong before posting.


Hehe me too. That's why I went and doubled down on making fun of you. I would look awfully silly calling you a retard if you were right.

You retard.

Jim_Callahan: If you're referring to the Constitution, it places the powers and duties of budget-making in the hands of congress generally, not the Senate specifically.


Lets look at the constitution then, shall we?

Article 1, Section 7: All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

All bills originate in the House. Or as you put it, "congress generally."
 
2012-05-02 05:02:56 PM

lennavan: Jim_Callahan: lennavan: You sir, are a passionate defender of what you imagine the constitution to be. I must ask, are you from the area? An "area man" if you will?

Actually, I wasn't 100% certain, so I did what most people would do and opened the full text in another window and re-read the entire section on congress to make certain I wasn't wrong before posting.

Hehe me too. That's why I went and doubled down on making fun of you. I would look awfully silly calling you a retard if you were right.

You retard.

Jim_Callahan: If you're referring to the Constitution, it places the powers and duties of budget-making in the hands of congress generally, not the Senate specifically.

Lets look at the constitution then, shall we?

Article 1, Section 7: All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

All bills originate in the House. Or as you put it, "congress generally."


The Senate does have to pass a budget resolution (twice) prior to the actual budget being passed.
 
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