John Napkintosh: Why is polygamy illegal again?

Really?

There are several problems with it...

The first being that, as someone stated above, it really farks with the gene pool (polygamist sects often are isolated and thus a very shallow gene pool -- see FLDS). Same reason incest is illegal.

Second, and the main issue, is that in theory, it would be ok, if women would marry multiple men as well as men marrying multiple women. However, historically, that never, ever happens and you end up with a few men with many wives. This leads to young men, at the very least, being frustrated at the lack of women and often times excommunicated from their sects. It also leads to abuse as young women are forced into marriages with older men and often times raped.

Polygamy is bad, mmk?

KrispyKritter: luckily my wife has the nagging / humiliating / castrating / biatching / whining powers of three women so i'm saving a bundle of money.

I thought this comment was going to end with an endorsement for GEICO

Morpheses: canyoneer: cryinoutloud: Every time I go down that way, I notice that people in Salt Lake seem to be extremely materialistic motherfarkers. I just keep right on driving.

As opposed to other places in America, where people aren't materialistic? Like, say, Montana, where everyone meditates in the lotus position all day, won't step on an ant, and subsists from the meager offerings droppped into their rice bowls?

Pbbbbbbbbbbt.

You want materialistic? Go to the coasts where all the modest and humble liberals stab each other in the back as they scurry through their frantic rat race grubbing money 25 hours/day. Whatever. The whole world is purple. Red/blue is simplification for simpletons who need their information kept simple.

In other words: STOP NOT LIKING THE THINGS THAT I LIKE!!!

Face it dude... some people just don't like Utah. Even people who live here, like me. The mountains are nice, but the people and the laws suck so much ass that it's not even funny anymore.

^^^^ This. A thousand times tihs.

Anyone who thinks Utah and their laws are similar to most other states is living in absolute denial. Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean but it's true and if you can't see that you need to leave the state more often.

Joe married Valerie as his third wife in 2000

... after Joe noticed that he was still finishing some of his own sentences when he talked to friends.

Theaetetus: Xaneidolon: Late to the party, but I know this guy (and I'm getting a kick...).

So, has he actually been excommunicated?

He was never baptized in the official LDS church. His family has been unaffiliated with the main Mormons for 100 years or so.

Also, check this out:

The following day, Alina became his legal wife when they married again at a ceremony under state law, while Vicki acted as witness.

Vicki, currently a stay-at-home mother, has been married to Joe, who runs a construction company, for 22 years.

So, Vicki gets tax benefits as an unemployed single mother? Does Joe pay child support to her and write that off? I'd be real curious to see the tax returns for all four of them...

"Now watch the video."

/fap

Won't mind the extra wives, they can share in the housework, wouldn't want all the rug rats though, maybe 1 or 2.

Xaneidolon: Theaetetus: Xaneidolon: Late to the party, but I know this guy (and I'm getting a kick...).

So, has he actually been excommunicated?

He was never baptized in the official LDS church. His family has been unaffiliated with the main Mormons for 100 years or so.

If the LDS does post-death baptisms, do they do post-death excommunications?

Why do the girls all look happy, but the boys all look uniformly creepy?

Morpheses: In other words: STOP NOT LIKING THE THINGS THAT I LIKE!!! Face it dude... some people just don't like Utah. Even people who live here, like me. The mountains are nice, but the people and the laws suck so much ass that it's not even funny anymore.

What are you doing there? if you hate it so much, why don't you move? Are you a masochist?

Eh, for me, SLC is irrelevant. I like the canyon country, and there's no other place on Earth with the sheer density and intensity of incredible landscapes as Southern Utah. So I spend quite a bit of time there. I have never been hassled by anyone over anything in Utah. But I'm at peace with the world, and the assholes in Utah don't bother me any more than the assholes in California, or anywhere else for that matter. Assholes are assholes, no matter their particular brand of assholery, and they are everywhere.

Xaneidolon: He was never baptized in the official LDS church. His family has been unaffiliated with the main Mormons for 100 years or so.

Again, so?

This doesn't mean he's not Mormon, any more than it would mean a Presbyterian wasn't Christian because they weren't baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.

Theaetetus: If the LDS does post-death baptisms, do they do post-death excommunications?

Not that I've heard.

Evil Mackerel: Tap

Came to post this

/and a resounding WANT to Amanda Tapping.

canyoneer: Strategeryz0r: Outdated information from July of last year Stiff drinks and doubles are illegal in Utah. Bars and restaurants must use meters on their liquor bottles to make sure they do not pour more than 1.5 ounces at a time. Other liquors can be added to cocktails in lesser amounts, not to exceed 2.5 ounces of liquor in a drink, as long as they are poured from bottles clearly marked "flavoring." fark you Utah. I know of no other state with idiocy like this. Regardless of wineries, breweries, or distilleries. Utah can go away. Now if you can show me that things have relaxed I will retract my hatred. But I have never visited a state so dead set on ensuring the populace is not allowed to live their life as they see fit. And the alcohol laws are just one part of a laundry list of absurdities.

You are filled with hatred because you cannot get a double in a bar? Sounds like you need to relax, or maybe join AA. When I'm in Utah, I live my life as I see fit and no one has ever oppressed me. But I don't spend much time in bars or around barflies, so I don't give a sh*t about that stuff. But like I said: it's a free country. You are free to avoid Utah to your heart's content.

No that's just one example, that most farkers can relate to, of how f'ed up Utah is. I'm not talking about the people oppressing you, I'm talking about the government feeling the need to regulate so damn much. If you can't even let people have a drink as they see fit(including restrictions in terms of Alcohol % in beer that are absurd), then where do you really let it end? They stop things under the guise of morality, but it's really morality imposed by the f'ing church. It's an ass backwards state that is run by people trying to shove their beliefs down everyone elses throat.

If you're happy living there, more power to you. But I live above you guys in Idaho, and watching how the mormons keep trying to influence our local politics is disgusting. Even more so when you hear them talk about trying to make Idaho "the next Utah" in terms of how they want the laws to be. LDS seirously need to be reclassified as the cult that they are so people will stop listening to them. It's one thing to practice a religion, it's another to come to my door every weekend trying to convert me, as well as move to another state and try to change the laws to make it more "LDS friendly."

What's even hotter is bedding ambidentical twins. That's when Twin A looks just like Twin B, but Twin B does not look like Twin A.

Strategeryz0r: Anyone who thinks Utah and their laws are similar to most other states is living in absolute denial. Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean but it's true and if you can't see that you need to leave the state more often.

That's a mouthful for someone from White Power Land. Are you upset because Utahns aren't Idaho Nazis? Seriously, Dude: Boise?

Okaaaaaaay.

blazemongr: Why do the girls all look happy, but the boys all look uniformly creepy?

because the girls will have no problems finding husbands, even is it's only a part-timer. but the boys will have to work like dogs to get even one wife. Daddy set a high standard. Hope they inherited what must be his best feature.

KrispyKritter: that ugly SOB must be raking in a fortune with his construction company. their food bill for one week: 3 meals/day x 7 x 28 must be staggering. and cue ball looks like he can pack it away pretty good.

Consider that with that many people they probably cook in an industrial kitchen using restaraunt sized containers. They probably pay 1/4 what I do for food per person(I live alone), and half what my brother's family of 5 pays.

'Cheaper by the dozen'. I've already come to the decision that for more sane families that having the extended family in the house would be far better - basically have 1 set of grandparents move in with the 'nuclear family'. That's 4 adults, preferably 3 working. If all three are earning the same income that's 66% of income remaining if one loses their job vs 50% in dual-income family or 100% for the sole earner. In addition if you get a heritage of this going, on average the homes will be larger(more energy and utility efficient), but more often paid off. It takes a lot longer to end up evicted from a paid off, multigenerational home. Generally speaking, at that point it's cheaper to pay them enough welfare to stay there if they become unemployed than to try to transfer them to 'cheaper' housing.

canyoneer: Strategeryz0r: Anyone who thinks Utah and their laws are similar to most other states is living in absolute denial. Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean but it's true and if you can't see that you need to leave the state more often.

That's a mouthful for someone from White Power Land. Are you upset because Utahns aren't Idaho Nazis? Seriously, Dude: Boise?

Okaaaaaaay.

Originally from Kansas, have lived in Colorado, Oregon, Washington, and Norcal on top of residing in Boise. I'm not a fan of Idaho either. I'm trying to get back to the Oregon/Washington area, as that's my favorite place to live. I'm only here because of my job and my family.

And for the record, white power land is northern Idaho. Boise is more like wanna be California land these days, but at least our laws aren't AS draconian as Utah.

bentley57: PSA: this is not "Mormon" - it's break-away MormonMOAR-MAN.

FTFY

fawlty: H31N0US: 24/3 = 6. Each wife pushed out 6 kids on average.

I have no problem with polygamy per se but trying to populate the planet with your DNA is so last millennium.

Nicely done. 10/10.

10/10= 80%. He scored 80% of a a perfect score. Not bad, but still room for improvement..

They each have their own bedroom, and Joe alternates between the three rooms each evening.


BAH!

If you can't have a fourgy with them, then it's like being married... x3!

Fark that...

All I can say that this mo-fo better hope that the wifes' periods don't synchronize in such a way as they all are suffering PMS at the same time that he does something their hormone-addled brains think is stupid. They'll serve him his balls and call it breakfast.

Thorak: This doesn't mean he's not Mormon, any more than it would mean a Presbyterian wasn't Christian because they weren't baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.

But it does mean the Church isn't going to excommunicate him because he's not a member. No more than the Roman Catholic Church would excommunicate me for not following their rules. And, there is no such thing as a "Mormon." You are either a member, a saint as it were, of the Church or you're not. If you are, then you are subject to Church discipline, same as any other Church. If you're not, then the Church will not seek to enforce it's rules against you in an ecclesiastical (can't believe I spelled that right first time) setting. He's not the Church's problem unless he seeks baptism into membership in the Church.

AngryJailhouseFistfark: wraithmare: A large number of births in those little FLDS towns are born with defects that cause the children to basically be put in basket for the rest of their lives and cared for 24/7. Lots of health insurance fraud as they get the state to pay for all of their inbred offspring. I think only three or four founding families started the gene pool back in the 1800s and it hasn't changed.

Wasn't that an X-files episode? It was, called "Home."

The whole Twins thing is fine and all, but I like my HOT*HOT*HOT*MFF*Threeways to have the girls playing with each other as well as me. If they're sisters, then it's incest and that creeps me out. Sure, I know many of the Bold Swingin' Dick Farkers here will call the incest hot, but not me. Nossir, as it speaks to a whole host of other psychological stuff gone wrong with my playmates and that's just no good.

I have to agree with you. I might be biased because I actually am a twin, but I never ever got the whole twin girl fantasy thing. I mean, yah, being with two women would be hot. But, first of all, a twin sleeping with her twin is incest of the absolute highest order, genetically. Incest is just...creepy.

Not to mention in terms of visual variety you are still limiting yourself.

Thorak: Xaneidolon: He was never baptized in the official LDS church. His family has been unaffiliated with the main Mormons for 100 years or so.

Again, so?

This doesn't mean he's not Mormon, any more than it would mean a Presbyterian wasn't Christian because they weren't baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.

You clearly don't understand the question nor the issue. The question was about whether the Mormons (officially - i.e. excommunicated) had removed him. Because he had never been a part, they could not.

The issue of self-identification is a cultural one that you don't understand. Members of the main LDS church don't claim the poligs. They don't call them Mormons. The poligs don't claim the main LDS church (they think it's an apostate organization) and don't want to be called Mormons. The R[eorganized]LDS church does not claim the main LDS church and their members are not called Mormons. All of those groups, however, claim to be christian (and by any reasonable definition they are).

Just because you conflate religions who claim to have been founded by Joseph Smith with one another doesn't mean that those who know more about the issue (from both the inside and the outside) do as well.

In other words, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and Morons self-identify (and are likely to identify each other) as Christians. RLDS (not poligs), FLDS, and other poligs do not self-identify as Mormons (and the main LDS don't claim them as Mormons).

/agnostic
//very familiar with the predominant religion(s) around here

All three of those chicks look better now than ever before.

ALL HAIL THE TRIPLE-MILFER!!

And who says religion is bad? If you can play the part you get so much poon--and they all know about each other. Way better than two mistresses and and a couple of debilitating divorce settlements.

/vagina

Joafu: My Diet Coke addiction keeps me away. It's the fastest form of caffeine for me, and most places only carry the neutered stuff. And I don't think there's a bag of coffee in the entire state.

I know, there are only four Starbucks in Salt Lake City airport and like 21 on the google map for "Starbucks Salt Lake City"

Xaneidolon: In other words, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and Morons self-identify

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fawlty: Xaneidolon: In other words, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and Morons self-identify

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heh...one of my best Freudian slips ever!

ph0rk: dj_spanmaster: Not quite, but polyamory, perhaps.

I think that in reality polyamory has about as much chance of "working" as a commune does. That is: not much.

/And for the same reasons.

Pardon me, sir, but your ignorance is showing. You might want to educate yourself before making such a statement.

I'm in a polyamorous relationship, and have been for going on 3.5 years. I love my GF absolutely, she loves me. She also loves her husband, who has become a great friend of mine, too. We've all talked about moving in together as a matter of fact (though the idea is often, only somewhat jokingly, batted around about me and him having our own place so there can be a "man cave"). Her husband also has a GF, and she's also a very near and dear friend of mine.

While I was married in a mono relationship for 10 years, and have had several mono relationships, I've also had a few poly, one where my GF was bi and she had a GF (ye gods was that fun...).

Certainly polyamorous relationships or polygamy isn't for everyone. There's got to be trust, there's got to be understanding, and it has to be (IMO) a conscious, informed decision. Just like ANY sort of relationship, if honesty isn't present, of course polyamory won't work. I don't date anyone else right now, but that might change. Hell, GF is welcome to have another BF as long as her husband and I don't think he's a schmuck. The fact is it's quite common, and the fact is not only is it common, but there are people who have long term, loving relationships with more than one person.

A couple I know who have been poly their entire marriage was interviewed by a newspaper. The reporter, a classic hack, attempted to bait them with a number of questions that completely failed to get the desired "shocker" article he was trying to write; These were hedonistic sex fiends. At one point, he talked to their then 18yo son and asked "Isn't it weird that your parents live this way? Don't you notice the difference between them and normal relationships?" Not missing a beat, the kid replied "Yeah. My parents are still married while all my friends parents are divorced."

fickenchucker: ALL HAIL THE TRIPLE-MILFER!!

Indeed. That's what this thread lost sight of. This dude is banging 3 very bangable MILFs. The 24 kids thing, not so cool.

Feelgood9000: mitchcumstein1: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x403]

There are at least two serial killers in this picture, can you spot them?




The one you circled on the right is a serial arsonist, not a serial killer.


The middle guy you circled is Donnie Darko.


Far-left-middle is Wednesday Addams.


Below her on the far-left is Hit Girl.


Boy on the front-left is Chucky.

Basically they're all smiling because they've already killed you- you just haven't realized it yet.

Strategeryz0r: Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be.

I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.


Laws pertaining to alcohol? Watta maroon. Utah sells alcohol statewide. How many dry counties are there in the big ole' U. S. of A.?
The derp. It overwhelms.

/Not from Utah
//Do visit a lot

Famous Thamas: Fano: Jubeebee: That guy has the same smug smile in every picture in TFA.

Who has two thumbs and loves simultanous blowjobs from twins? *This Guy*!

Yeah, that would go a long way to making up for any extra nagging that might occur.

Wait... there are blowjobs after marriage?
/Nah, can't be

Strategeryz0r: canyoneer: Have you ever looked at real estate in Salt Lake City? Polygamous or not, they build single family homes for huge families. It's common to find older homes (50 years old +) that look pretty normal from the street, but inside they're three, four, and five(!) thousand square feet. Huge full basements in a big footprint, walk-out basements, casitas, multiple baths, massive dining rooms, etcetera. On big lots, too. And many of them are very nice inside, all upgraded and sometimes even quite chic. But from the outside, they look like ordinary, low-slung ranch-style places. Some bungalows, too. Oh, and they like to plant trees. Many older neighborhoods in SLC have magnificent big old trees. Very pleasant shade in the summer.

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Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be.

I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.


You mean the government owned and run liquor stores?

dkrel: Why in the hell would you want more than one wife?

FTFY

unchellmatt: 'm in a polyamorous relationship, and have been for going on 3.5 years. I love my GF absolutely, she loves me. She also loves her husband, who has become a great friend of mine, too. We've all talked about moving in together as a matter of fact (though the idea is often, only somewhat jokingly, batted around about me and him having our own place so there can be a "man cave"). Her husband also has a GF, and she's also a very near and dear friend of mine.

I guess you were born under a wandering star.