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2012-05-02 02:01:04 PM

Joafu: Black one hit me right away. I had to soul-search for the red one.


Oh, very interesting, did not consider him.

xxmedium: Technically, he's not a serial killer if fans die in some sort of deathmetal concert special effect gone horribly wrong. Or if they get killed by other fans. Or both.


correct

HailRobonia: Trick question. Only one is a serial killer. The other is a spree killer.


Nicely played, sir.
 
2012-05-02 02:01:17 PM

Smeggy Smurf:

You got it. Their cult says sex is a bad thing, something to be shunned but they have a shiatload of kids. It makes for some serious mental problem.


Got to start a legit polyamory cult.

Here, take this, the Angel Dolti has led me to this, Jesus's Golden Harddrive, filled with religious instructions and girl-on-girl action. Come with me to our Promised Land in, oh, say, someplace by the sea with plenty of untapped real estate potential. Here we will build our Church.
 
2012-05-02 02:02:26 PM

atomsmoosher: Smeggy Smurf:

You got it. Their cult says sex is a bad thing, something to be shunned but they have a shiatload of kids. It makes for some serious mental problem.

Got to start a legit polyamory cult.

Here, take this, the Angel Dolti has led me to this, Jesus's Golden Harddrive, filled with religious instructions and girl-on-girl action. Come with me to our Promised Land in, oh, say, someplace by the sea with plenty of untapped real estate potential. Here we will build our Church.


What are you going to do with the unwanted boys?

/Polygamy sucks
 
2012-05-02 02:03:28 PM

KrispyKritter:

that ugly SOB must be raking in a fortune with his construction company. their food bill for one week: 3 meals/day x 7 x 28 must be staggering. and cue ball looks like he can pack it away pretty good.


according to Melissa d'Arabian you can feed 4 people for dinner for $10

27 people, say 28 for easy math

28/4 = 7 x 10 = $70 x 30 days = $2,100 x 12 month = $25,200/year. And that is just dinner and assuming you aren't going to In-N-Out Burger which Mormons seem to devour with impunity.

/weeeeeeeeeeee
 
2012-05-02 02:03:34 PM

busy chillin': meanmutton

flaminio: Welcome to Romney's Obama's America.

FTFY. Little know fact - Obama's father was a polygamist.

And Romney's grandparents were as well. What's your point?


It was a legit point. If you're going to pick on Romney's Mormonism for its polygamy practices for the sake of a cheap political jab, it is fair to note that Obama is the result of an actual polygamist.
 
2012-05-02 02:03:44 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Wait a minute. I've seen how this news report ends.


www.poorwilliam.net
 
2012-05-02 02:03:51 PM

Need_MindBleach: What are you going to do with the unwanted boys?


Hey look war is good for something after all!
 
2012-05-02 02:04:19 PM

KrispyKritter: luckily my wife has the nagging / humiliating / castrating / biatching / whining powers of three women so i'm saving a bundle of money.


I lol'd
 
2012-05-02 02:05:16 PM

fawlty: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Odd that SLC doesn't go after him since their church supposedly doesn't allow it anymore.

SLC would do what exactly? He's only legally married to 1 woman. He's screwing and having children with 3 women. That's not illegal or else a whole bunch of pro athletes would be in jail.

And, btw, they are not members of the LDS church. They are FLDS, which is a different animal and does not condemn polygamy. They would be excommunicated from the LDS church if they were members and this situation came to light.

And, from a practical standpoint, this situation doesn't involve the kind of abuse that other FLDS members have partaken in, such as child brides, forced marriages and what not. It seems counter-productive to go after these folks. They were all adults who entered into the arrangement knowingly AND there are 24 children dependent upon them. To toss the adults into jail would throw these children into even worse chaos and dependence upon the state welfare and social service system, which I assume they are not a part of now simply because TFA did not mention it.


Dressed in awfully modern clothes for FLDS...

/Love these threads, helps me to identify all the apologists
 
2012-05-02 02:06:15 PM
The only thing I think he did right was have only 2 mothers-in-law to deal with.
 
2012-05-02 02:08:15 PM
awoiaf.westeros.org
disapproves
 
2012-05-02 02:08:18 PM

theotherwhitemeat: I have a husband and a wife (obviously not legally) and it has nothing to to with religion.

FYI: three to a bed = lousy nights sleep! We rotate as well.


So do "poly" married people ever do the multi-partner thing or is that just a "swingers" thing. I often wonder is it a sex party or a real life day to day crap shoot and emotions type deal?
 
2012-05-02 02:08:48 PM

Strategeryz0r: canyoneer: Have you ever looked at real estate in Salt Lake City? Polygamous or not, they build single family homes for huge families. It's common to find older homes (50 years old +) that look pretty normal from the street, but inside they're three, four, and five(!) thousand square feet. Huge full basements in a big footprint, walk-out basements, casitas, multiple baths, massive dining rooms, etcetera. On big lots, too. And many of them are very nice inside, all upgraded and sometimes even quite chic. But from the outside, they look like ordinary, low-slung ranch-style places. Some bungalows, too. Oh, and they like to plant trees. Many older neighborhoods in SLC have magnificent big old trees. Very pleasant shade in the summer.

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x332]

Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be.

I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.


In Utah (though transplant). Agree with this 100%, which is why I brew my own beer.
 
2012-05-02 02:09:08 PM

KrispyKritter: luckily my wife has the nagging / humiliating / castrating / biatching / whining powers of three women so i'm saving a bundle of money..


Yes, but how have 24 kids treated her? Maybe TFA's dude is onto something: instead of spitting a few dozen out of one vagina, try spreading the storm out to a few fishnets. Instead of going Duggar, try the Darger.
 
2012-05-02 02:10:54 PM

KrispyKritter: that ugly SOB must be raking in a fortune with his construction company. their food bill for one week: 3 meals/day x 7 x 28 must be staggering. and cue ball looks like he can pack it away pretty good.


I thought so too, but someone pointed out that in these Mormon polygamous marriages, only one marriage is legal, the other women are technically single mothers and often get welfare for all their children.
 
2012-05-02 02:11:21 PM

duggieb63: Not "Romney's" world. Different church. If you married more than one person in the LDS church, you get excommunicated. "mormon" wedding in your home? Sorry. "mormon" wedding is in the temple. Not allowed in if you aren't a member of the LDS church. The bishop can do a civil union, but if the guy was married in Utah, or any of the other 50 states, marrying more than one wife is also illegal. If the guy is a member of some off shoot, whatever, but it isn't the same church. Polygamy hasn't been allowed in the LDS church for over 100 years. This is as officially "mormon" as marrying a goat.

//welcome to the stereotype and ignorance
//do you feel the bliss?


US military occupation has been known to change a few minds now and again....
 
2012-05-02 02:11:25 PM

Morpheses: Strategeryz0r: canyoneer: Have you ever looked at real estate in Salt Lake City? Polygamous or not, they build single family homes for huge families. It's common to find older homes (50 years old +) that look pretty normal from the street, but inside they're three, four, and five(!) thousand square feet. Huge full basements in a big footprint, walk-out basements, casitas, multiple baths, massive dining rooms, etcetera. On big lots, too. And many of them are very nice inside, all upgraded and sometimes even quite chic. But from the outside, they look like ordinary, low-slung ranch-style places. Some bungalows, too. Oh, and they like to plant trees. Many older neighborhoods in SLC have magnificent big old trees. Very pleasant shade in the summer.

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x332]

Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be.

I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.

In Utah (though transplant). Agree with this 100%, which is why I brew my own beer.


You're a rebel....

And i LIKE it. Brew on my friend, fight the power!

Hell, shoot a Seagull while you're at it. Seriously, I hate those birds. Only good for shiatting on my car.
 
2012-05-02 02:12:29 PM

tortilla burger: joyride75: Oh, so I can hear three times the nagging? No thanks.

I think a clever polygamist can have the wives nag at each other instead of at him. A monogamist, even a clever one, doesn't have anybody to deflect the nagging to.


^This

My guess is that the women end up competing with each other for the positive attention of their husband.
As the man, you probably get waited on hand and foot, until the women slowly stop wanting your attention and your house of cards comes crashing down around your ears.
 
2012-05-02 02:13:02 PM

Tommy Moo: This is what the world would look like if left to natural law. A few rich guys at the top would have everything. Monogamy laws actually protect the interests of the majority of men. Without them, there would be incredible levels of violence, as the majority of men would have no access to women and therefore nothing better to do than spend all day eating and lifting weights and murdering the competition.


Your premise is wrong as it assumes people in relationships don't cheat.
 
2012-05-02 02:13:06 PM

Salmon: twice the headache


Here's why polygamy works, even in the non-abusive relationships (which are rare I admit).

If you have multiple women they don't fight with you, they fight with each other. And if you handle it right you don't even get drug in because your off with whomever is the wife du jour and claim it's her night and she deserves 100% of your attention.
 
2012-05-02 02:13:07 PM

Need_MindBleach: atomsmoosher: Smeggy Smurf:

You got it. Their cult says sex is a bad thing, something to be shunned but they have a shiatload of kids. It makes for some serious mental problem.

Got to start a legit polyamory cult.

Here, take this, the Angel Dolti has led me to this, Jesus's Golden Harddrive, filled with religious instructions and girl-on-girl action. Come with me to our Promised Land in, oh, say, someplace by the sea with plenty of untapped real estate potential. Here we will build our Church.

What are you going to do with the unwanted boys?

/Polygamy sucks


And thus the Lord spake:

"Dude, getteth thine own."

And, lo, they gotteth busy. The Lord looked at this, and it was good or, more often, pleasant and slightly Awkward.

"It is all good, yo," the Lord doth said. "Any lovin' is Good lovin'," He so Sayeth. But reccomendth did He, "Checkth IDs at the Door and Screeneth for Disease."

And the entwined masses did and He was pleased and, frankly, a little Turned On.
 
2012-05-02 02:13:25 PM
The Episcopal Church in Africa allows polygamy, so we could convert . . .

HailRobonia: I thought so too, but someone pointed out that in these Mormon polygamous marriages, only one marriage is legal, the other women are technically single mothers and often get welfare for all their children.


Nothing illegal about that.
 
2012-05-02 02:13:38 PM
LDS had to say 'no, we won't have more than one wife' so they could elect their own officials (high ranking mormons) instead of having to put up with territorial officials shipped in by Washington. now all they have to do is wait for death and get as many planet wives as they want.


theocracy, it is like a beehive?
 
2012-05-02 02:14:12 PM
blogs.detroitnews.com
 
2012-05-02 02:14:16 PM

Strategeryz0r: Morpheses: Strategeryz0r: canyoneer: Have you ever looked at real estate in Salt Lake City? Polygamous or not, they build single family homes for huge families. It's common to find older homes (50 years old +) that look pretty normal from the street, but inside they're three, four, and five(!) thousand square feet. Huge full basements in a big footprint, walk-out basements, casitas, multiple baths, massive dining rooms, etcetera. On big lots, too. And many of them are very nice inside, all upgraded and sometimes even quite chic. But from the outside, they look like ordinary, low-slung ranch-style places. Some bungalows, too. Oh, and they like to plant trees. Many older neighborhoods in SLC have magnificent big old trees. Very pleasant shade in the summer.

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x332]

Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be.

I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.

In Utah (though transplant). Agree with this 100%, which is why I brew my own beer.

You're a rebel....

And i LIKE it. Brew on my friend, fight the power!

Hell, shoot a Seagull while you're at it. Seriously, I hate those birds. Only good for shiatting on my car.


Heh, they don't deal so well with Alka-Seltzer. Or so I've heard....
 
2012-05-02 02:14:33 PM

Need_MindBleach: What are you going to do with the unwanted boys?

/Polygamy sucks


Polyandry would be legal too. For every man able to put up with X wives, there's got to be a woman willing to juggle X husbands.
 
2012-05-02 02:15:50 PM

Morpheses: Strategeryz0r: Morpheses: Strategeryz0r: canyoneer: Have you ever looked at real estate in Salt Lake City? Polygamous or not, they build single family homes for huge families. It's common to find older homes (50 years old +) that look pretty normal from the street, but inside they're three, four, and five(!) thousand square feet. Huge full basements in a big footprint, walk-out basements, casitas, multiple baths, massive dining rooms, etcetera. On big lots, too. And many of them are very nice inside, all upgraded and sometimes even quite chic. But from the outside, they look like ordinary, low-slung ranch-style places. Some bungalows, too. Oh, and they like to plant trees. Many older neighborhoods in SLC have magnificent big old trees. Very pleasant shade in the summer.

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x332]

Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be.

I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.

In Utah (though transplant). Agree with this 100%, which is why I brew my own beer.

You're a rebel....

And i LIKE it. Brew on my friend, fight the power!

Hell, shoot a Seagull while you're at it. Seriously, I hate those birds. Only good for shiatting on my car.

Heh, they don't deal so well with Alka-Seltzer. Or so I've heard....


Or Uncle Ben's :)
 
2012-05-02 02:16:10 PM

DECMATH: Need_MindBleach: What are you going to do with the unwanted boys?

/Polygamy sucks

Polyandry would be legal too. For every man able to put up with X wives, there's got to be a woman willing to juggle X husbands.



Good for the goose, good for the gander, I say.
 
2012-05-02 02:17:00 PM

DECMATH: Need_MindBleach: What are you going to do with the unwanted boys?

/Polygamy sucks

Polyandry would be legal too. For every man able to put up with X wives, there's got to be a woman willing to juggle X husbands.


WHAT?! NO! Women aren't allowed to choose that's why it's polygamy and ONLY polygamy. FLDS know what's up, women are property not people!

/fake outrage
//seriously, sarcasm
 
2012-05-02 02:17:25 PM

mitchcumstein1: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x403]

There are at least two serial killers in this picture, can you spot them?


oi50.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-02 02:18:33 PM

John Napkintosh: Why is polygamy illegal again?


Because we have to draw the morality line SOMEWHERE
 
2012-05-02 02:18:36 PM

mitchcumstein1: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x403]

There are at least two serial killers in this picture, can you spot them?


There's obviously denim shirt kid in the back, but the other one is in the red dress on the left. No, not her in the plaid, behind her. There ya go.

/same crazy eyes as the denim shirt brother, same homicidal tendencies.
// both girls on that side (red dress, plaid dress) are the ones deflowered by daddy. But the plaid dress thinks it makes her his special princess, and the red dress is storing up the rage for "projects" later in life.
 
2012-05-02 02:18:38 PM

theotherwhitemeat: I have a husband and a wife (obviously not legally) and it has nothing to to with religion.

FYI: three to a bed = lousy nights sleep! We rotate as well.


Glad to know we're not the only ones! It just makes sense.
 
2012-05-02 02:20:30 PM

Strategeryz0r: Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be. I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.


Oh, bosh. The liquor laws in Utah are not that draconian any more. You can get whatever you want at the state liquor stores, there are a bunch of breweries, wineries, and even a few distilleries in the state now. Utah's laws aren't that out-of-line with other Mountain states. Only about half the people in the state are Mormons, and of them, only half bother to show up at church. I don't care - it's a free country and everyone's free to believe whatever mumbo-jumbo they fancy. All of that stuff about liquor in Utah is exagerrated, or a sign that the person saying it has dated information. Have a Uinta Brewing Company Solstice Koelsch and relax.

Of course, if you're looking for a "scene" or to go clubbing, you'd probably like Scottsdale/Camelback in Phoenix better. SLC is pretty quiet.
 
2012-05-02 02:21:53 PM
His wives are all very milfy. lucky guy but what's with all the kids dude?
 
2012-05-02 02:24:04 PM
Married to sisters?

Upside: Only one mother-in-law
Downside: 24 kids
 
2012-05-02 02:24:23 PM

I_C_Weener: Jim from Saint Paul: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x776]

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x414]

LIKE A BOSS.

[i586.photobucket.com image 634x776]


Yes. This.
 
2012-05-02 02:24:44 PM

canyoneer: Strategeryz0r: Have you looked at the laws pertaining to Alcohol in the state of Utah... I don't give a shiat how big your houses are, or how cheap they might be, or how pleasant your scenery could be. I will NEVER set foot in Salt Lake City EVER again.... You people in Utah are farking off your rocker.

Oh, bosh. The liquor laws in Utah are not that draconian any more. You can get whatever you want at the state liquor stores, there are a bunch of breweries, wineries, and even a few distilleries in the state now. Utah's laws aren't that out-of-line with other Mountain states. Only about half the people in the state are Mormons, and of them, only half bother to show up at church. I don't care - it's a free country and everyone's free to believe whatever mumbo-jumbo they fancy. All of that stuff about liquor in Utah is exagerrated, or a sign that the person saying it has dated information. Have a Uinta Brewing Company Solstice Koelsch and relax.

Of course, if you're looking for a "scene" or to go clubbing, you'd probably like Scottsdale/Camelback in Phoenix better. SLC is pretty quiet.


Outdated information from July of last year

Stiff drinks and doubles are illegal in Utah. Bars and restaurants must use meters on their liquor bottles to make sure they do not pour more than 1.5 ounces at a time. Other liquors can be added to cocktails in lesser amounts, not to exceed 2.5 ounces of liquor in a drink, as long as they are poured from bottles clearly marked "flavoring."

fark you Utah. I know of no other state with idiocy like this. Regardless of wineries, breweries, or distilleries. Utah can go away.

Now if you can show me that things have relaxed I will retract my hatred. But I have never visited a state so dead set on ensuring the populace is not allowed to live their life as they see fit. And the alcohol laws are just one part of a laundry list of absurdities.
 
2012-05-02 02:25:23 PM
30.media.tumblr.com
Dude. You missed a sister.
 
2012-05-02 02:27:18 PM

cryinoutloud: Every time I go down that way, I notice that people in Salt Lake seem to be extremely materialistic motherfarkers. I just keep right on driving.


As opposed to other places in America, where people aren't materialistic? Like, say, Montana, where everyone meditates in the lotus position all day, won't step on an ant, and subsists from the meager offerings droppped into their rice bowls?

Pbbbbbbbbbbt.

You want materialistic? Go to the coasts where all the modest and humble liberals stab each other in the back as they scurry through their frantic rat race grubbing money 25 hours/day. Whatever. The whole world is purple. Red/blue is simplification for simpletons who need their information kept simple.
 
2012-05-02 02:27:54 PM

duggieb63: Not "Romney's" world. Different church. If you married more than one person in the LDS church, you get excommunicated. "mormon" wedding in your home? Sorry. "mormon" wedding is in the temple. Not allowed in if you aren't a member of the LDS church. The bishop can do a civil union, but if the guy was married in Utah, or any of the other 50 states, marrying more than one wife is also illegal. If the guy is a member of some off shoot, whatever, but it isn't the same church. Polygamy hasn't been allowed in the LDS church for over 100 years.


That's not true at all. Bigamy hasn't been allowed in the LDS church, but polygamy is explicitly part of the Doctrine & Covenants. Unless you're saying that the LDS no longer believes in plural Celestial marriages, of course...
 
2012-05-02 02:28:41 PM
Is it me, or are they all leaning to (their) left?

i.dailymail.co.uk

Maybe some sort of balance disorder. You know, inbreeding isn't all that uncommon among polygamists.
 
2012-05-02 02:29:48 PM
Late to the party, but I know this guy (and I'm getting a kick...).

He's not affiliated with the FLDS people. None of his families take anything from the govt. (welfare, food stamps, etc.). He's a devoted husband and father. He's not disowned/shuffled off any of his kids. His daughters won't marry until 18+, and when they do, it will be age-appropriate.

He does, however, expect his kids to take jobs when they're 16 in order to support the family.

He's really a pretty good guy and is a decent man. I don't agree with him religiously and politically, but I don't have any problem with him as a human. Live and let live, etc.

Oh, and remember the part in Big Love when the mother was nominate for Mother of the Year (or whatever it was)? That was inspired by what happened to his mom (and it was Joe who nominated her).

Anyway...this guy is a bit different from many that we have around here.
 
2012-05-02 02:30:46 PM

bentley57: PSA: this is not "Mormon" - it's break-away Mormon.


In the same sense that every "Christian" sect other than Roman Catholicism is not "Christian", it's "break-away Christian".

Your BS semantics are BS. They self-identify as Mormon, ergo they are Mormon.
 
2012-05-02 02:31:54 PM

canyoneer: cryinoutloud: Every time I go down that way, I notice that people in Salt Lake seem to be extremely materialistic motherfarkers. I just keep right on driving.

As opposed to other places in America, where people aren't materialistic? Like, say, Montana, where everyone meditates in the lotus position all day, won't step on an ant, and subsists from the meager offerings droppped into their rice bowls?

Pbbbbbbbbbbt.

You want materialistic? Go to the coasts where all the modest and humble liberals stab each other in the back as they scurry through their frantic rat race grubbing money 25 hours/day. Whatever. The whole world is purple. Red/blue is simplification for simpletons who need their information kept simple.


In other words: STOP NOT LIKING THE THINGS THAT I LIKE!!!

Face it dude... some people just don't like Utah. Even people who live here, like me. The mountains are nice, but the people and the laws suck so much ass that it's not even funny anymore.
 
2012-05-02 02:33:05 PM

H31N0US: 24/3 = 6. Each wife pushed out 6 kids on average.

I have no problem with polygamy per se but trying to populate the planet with your DNA is so last millennium.


whar u lern math??

Y u so smrt?
 
2012-05-02 02:33:52 PM

Xaneidolon: Late to the party, but I know this guy (and I'm getting a kick...).


So, has he actually been excommunicated?
 
2012-05-02 02:34:11 PM

SDRR: Tommy Moo: This is what the world would look like if left to natural law. A few rich guys at the top would have everything. Monogamy laws actually protect the interests of the majority of men. Without them, there would be incredible levels of violence, as the majority of men would have no access to women and therefore nothing better to do than spend all day eating and lifting weights and murdering the competition.

Your premise is wrong as it assumes people in relationships don't cheat.


The guys with harems would hire eunuchs to prevent that.

HASAN CHOP!
 
2012-05-02 02:34:39 PM

Central: [30.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]
Dude. You missed a sister.


Do not talk about Karen Allen like that.
 
2012-05-02 02:35:10 PM

Strategeryz0r: Outdated information from July of last year Stiff drinks and doubles are illegal in Utah. Bars and restaurants must use meters on their liquor bottles to make sure they do not pour more than 1.5 ounces at a time. Other liquors can be added to cocktails in lesser amounts, not to exceed 2.5 ounces of liquor in a drink, as long as they are poured from bottles clearly marked "flavoring." fark you Utah. I know of no other state with idiocy like this. Regardless of wineries, breweries, or distilleries. Utah can go away. Now if you can show me that things have relaxed I will retract my hatred. But I have never visited a state so dead set on ensuring the populace is not allowed to live their life as they see fit. And the alcohol laws are just one part of a laundry list of absurdities.


You are filled with hatred because you cannot get a double in a bar? Sounds like you need to relax, or maybe join AA. When I'm in Utah, I live my life as I see fit and no one has ever oppressed me. But I don't spend much time in bars or around barflies, so I don't give a sh*t about that stuff. But like I said: it's a free country. You are free to avoid Utah to your heart's content.
 
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