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2012-05-02 02:54:20 PM
I'm at two with this. I will tip like a crazy woman if the service is great, and so will my husband, but we dislike going in large groups anywhere because of this policy. We like to have the option of tipping at our own discretion; we're loathe to have to contribute to an auto-tip if the service is bad.

However, the policy was right there on the bill and when they wwalked in the building; if they didn't like it, they should have turned around and left.
 
2012-05-02 02:54:24 PM
If it's a "Service charge", they the restaurant must think you're going to tip on top of that. Oh, the "service charge" is in lieu of a tip? Then fark you, restaurant. Don't change the wording just so you can pretend it's harder to serve my party of 6.

Just charge me something, and don't expect me to pay you more than that. It works at fast food restaurants and in most other countries, I think we could figure it out here, too.
 
2012-05-02 02:55:03 PM

tweek46420: [img2-3.timeinc.net image 400x300]


guessing it wasn't these 5


...Leaving satisfied...
 
2012-05-02 02:55:05 PM
Regardless of your opinion on server hourly wage, that's the reality, and the bulk of their income is tipping. They usually work a full 8 hour day, and they're working even if nobody's in the restaurant. There's lots of stuff to do while they're making $2.13 that gets paid for during the rush.

So, the first issue is that if a server is dealing with a large party, they're not dealing with the individual tables. If a server has a section with six tables of 2 - 4 people, that's six checks that will be tipped out. If one person sucks at tipping, it usually averages out. When they have a large party of 10 - 12, that's one check for more work. Plus, if you combine tables, you lose space for people to sit. So if you pushed 4 tables that could seat 16 separately, together they might only seat 12. THat lowers the tip as well.

That brings us to the second point. Many people have a major blind spot about tipping on large checks. Even if they're usually generous and tip 20%, when they see the $375 check and work out that it's $75 for the tip, they'll say "That's more than I make in two hours! I'll leave $20 instead."

Also, in most places, servers don't get to keep the whole tip. They have to share with the bartenders, bussers, food runners, and occasionally split it with the kitchen or even pay a percentage back to the restaurant.

Auto gratuity just tries to average all this together and make it more equitable for the servers.

All that said, auto-grat on a party of 5 is just being lazy AND greedy.
 
2012-05-02 02:55:30 PM

thewitchking: Automatic tip?

You add a tip to my bill and you can be damn sure you ain't getting one.

And you're not getting a tip for just doing your damn job.

This whole Tip crap is just ridiculous. If I like you and you went above and beyond your job then I'll toss you a couple of bucks in thanks but I'll be damned if I'm going to tip someone for just doing their job.

Tip expected is a tip denied.


Dude, you really butchered that line. Seriously, go watch it a few more times, at least get the set cadence right.
 
2012-05-02 02:55:35 PM
So when the restaurant locked those people in just so they'd be coerced into paying a "gratuity", could that be considered to be attempted extortion? Tips used to be the way a satisfied customer thanked the waiter for a job well done, and was a nice little custom until tips became expected no matter what, which is why many people simply do not tip or tip well anymore.
 
2012-05-02 02:55:49 PM

Gothnet: In that situation I'd have been pushing for number 1 - press charges for kidnapping.


If the automatic gratuity was listed on the menu then this is equivalent to holding a shoplifter, which is legal. False imprisonment only applies if the person being restrained didn't actually commit any offense or if he's held for an unreasonable duration (locking up a thief and immediately calling in the cops is considered reasonable).

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: A gratuity is a gift, by definition. I don't believe you can demand a gift from anyone, otherwise it's extortion.


That's not how it works, there was a fairly simple contract known to all parties in advance, which the customers agreed to by ordering food after reading the menu. If you don't like the terms of a contract, you don't get to execute the contract, have the other party do their part, and then decide to change the terms of your end.

The law doesn't work that way, has never worked that way, and if you get the cops called on you for pulling that shiat then you damned well deserve it, whether you're shortchanging a restaurant or declaring you don't have to pay your mortgage because one of the documents spelled your name in all caps.
 
2012-05-02 02:56:04 PM

vudukungfu


If I recall correctly, in the world of business, even in the south,

one may get hired talking like that but one will find the glass ceiling soon enough


Of this I have no minimal doubt.
 
2012-05-02 02:56:28 PM

jimpapa: Kraftwerk Orange: I recently paid the bill for a large group. I don't have a problem with the auto-gratuity (in that case), but I do have a question about a particular line item.

"Gratuity Tax Tax"

[i555.photobucket.com image 640x427]

Anyone want to try to explain why I got charged an extra $15? State of SC, if it matters.

Once an automatic gratuity is added the government now classifies it as a service charge.
services are taxable.
same rule in ontario.


Thank you, that makes sense.
 
2012-05-02 02:56:50 PM

Rootus: Carth: Put it on a credit card and then do a charge back due to coercion. Let the restaurant and Visa fight it out.

And you'd lose.

/not sure why people think charge backs always work
//while you're reading this, a protip: always require a signature for packages you receive


I'm sure they don't always approve a charge back but in my expirence the credit card company just takes it off your bill instead of arguing with you about it. Unlike the restaurant they realize it isn't worth having you cancel your card over $20. I'm sure if you do it every month they might take a different approach.
 
2012-05-02 02:57:17 PM

thomps: Paris1127: La Fisherman? What kind of a restaurant name is that? What language is that supposed to be?

i assumed they were just trying to evoke the celebrated fish markets of los angeles.


Louisiana. FTFY.

Or maybe it's French for 'shiatty service'.
 
2012-05-02 02:57:18 PM
another tip thread.............ahh well, it generates traffic for fark, i guess

but, can we all just agree that the manager was an idiot for making this an issue.

the negative publicity this will generate will make sure the business loses much more than they ever would have gained from their mandatory tipping tax
 
2012-05-02 03:00:19 PM

Trivia Jockey: I just re-read the article...I saw "gratuity" a bunch of times, but not "service charge". Where did you see that it was a service charge?


How many articles have you seen where a flash suppressor was refereed to as a "silencer"? Given the area and the type of food that they serve, I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have figured out (like the rest of the industry has) that you don't have to deal with this when you change it to "service charge". Maybe it's because I live so close to Detroit that all the restaurants do it around here, but I doubt that.

However, you are correct that it is not in the article.
 
2012-05-02 03:00:36 PM
"Mandatory gratuity" is an oxymoron.
 
2012-05-02 03:00:38 PM
 
2012-05-02 03:01:21 PM

stevenboof: Jument: Ok, so now I'm curious. If you are in a large party and the menu says that gratuity will be added and the service and/or food is really, really horrible... what do you do? Are you legally obligated to pay the pre-stated gratuity or can you refuse (legally) to pay it?

/my tips are not fantastic but I'm not a d-bag about it, I almost always tip 15% or a little higher

If you talk to the manager before it comes time to pay the bill (when you're actually experiencing the problem) they will most likely take care of it for you. This BS that you're meal's done and now you want to complain about the service is nothing more than an excuse to not have to pay the agreed upon service charge.


I don't think that really works. I'm not going to call the manager over if some of my party's food is still in the kitchen. You don't start a potentially ugly scene while the waitstaff still has a chance to mess with your food. Second, if we've finally gotten our food and are finally able to eat something, I'm not going to call the manager over while everyone is trying to eat. That's just taking a bad situation and make it worse.

So if I were to run into this problem, it would be after the meal, just before the check. There's really no way for it to be otherwise IMHO.
 
2012-05-02 03:01:35 PM

Rapmaster2000: Egoy3k: I tip everywhere and I tip well but if the service sucks I will either tip poorly or not at all automatic gratuity is the dumbest thing ever. Yes it was clearly marked on their menus so they were made aware before ordering that this was the case but who thinks, oh lets eat somewhere else the service might be poor here and then I'd be forced to tip when I'd rather not?

You ever try to get a bill together for a large group without automatic gratuity? There's always some cheapass who's trying to reduce his payment, someone who wants everyone to cover the appetizer they ate as an entree that was supposedly "for the table", and someone who agonizes over tax and tipping on their two $5 dollar beers.

I won't eat with a large group anymore who aren't my closest friends if the place can't split bills. I'm done with my wife's friend's birthday party with a bunch of people I don't know who act like they never get out of the house.


I once was out with a group of people (about 12) from a social group (went with a friend who was a member) and it was a nightmare! First off the restaurant did not want to give us separate bills at the time of ordering (waitress said it was to keep the orders together in the kitchen, but to remind her later to break it down if we needed it to be). This would not have been a problem except for the shared appetizers! When the bill came and a few people asked to break it down a huge argument rose over who had what and how much of each they had. Finally, the poor waitress put all the communal items on a separate bill. That did not solve the problem, but it did make it less horrific. At one point someone actually started asking people to give a percentage of how much of each appetizer and/or bottle of wine they had! They even broke out a calculator! I got so farking pissed off that I tossed down a 50-dollar bill for the appetizers (which covered all of the appetizers on the communal bill) and left the table. I went to the bar and then paid for my bill with the waitress away from the table. I then left her a huge tip because I knew that the cheapskates arguing over nickles and quarters would not tip her what she deserved.

I was in that same restaurant a few months later and when my bill came my appetizer had been comped. Turns out the waitress remembered me, even though she was not my waitress that night.
 
2012-05-02 03:01:40 PM
I wish these places would grow the fark up and just call it a "Lots of People Surcharge" already.
 
2012-05-02 03:01:46 PM

PirateKing: Regardless of your opinion on server hourly wage, that's the reality, and the bulk of their income is tipping. They usually work a full 8 hour day, and they're working even if nobody's in the restaurant. There's lots of stuff to do while they're making $2.13 that gets paid for during the rush.

So, the first issue is that if a server is dealing with a large party, they're not dealing with the individual tables. If a server has a section with six tables of 2 - 4 people, that's six checks that will be tipped out. If one person sucks at tipping, it usually averages out. When they have a large party of 10 - 12, that's one check for more work. Plus, if you combine tables, you lose space for people to sit. So if you pushed 4 tables that could seat 16 separately, together they might only seat 12. THat lowers the tip as well.

That brings us to the second point. Many people have a major blind spot about tipping on large checks. Even if they're usually generous and tip 20%, when they see the $375 check and work out that it's $75 for the tip, they'll say "That's more than I make in two hours! I'll leave $20 instead."

Also, in most places, servers don't get to keep the whole tip. They have to share with the bartenders, bussers, food runners, and occasionally split it with the kitchen or even pay a percentage back to the restaurant.

Auto gratuity just tries to average all this together and make it more equitable for the servers.

All that said, auto-grat on a party of 5 is just being lazy AND greedy.


In California (and some other states, I'm sure) servers get minimum wage, at least. Should we start tipping at every business where this is the case, out of concern for how much the person helping us is being paid?

I've always hated the "servers rely on tips" argument. It's not my job as a patron to worry about how much employees get paid. If it was, I'd have to tip at every fast food restaurant, every retail store, and every push cart in the world.
 
2012-05-02 03:02:30 PM

Jim_Callahan: That's not how it works, there was a fairly simple contract known to all parties in advance, which the customers agreed to by ordering food after reading the menu. If you don't like the terms of a contract, you don't get to execute the contract, have the other party do their part, and then decide to change the terms of your end.


So this invisible contract that you sign upon verbally reciting the menu, does it stipulate that good service must also be a part of it (or as you say "do their part")?
 
2012-05-02 03:02:47 PM

Oznog: When did standard tipping go from 15% to 17%???

Don't say "inflation". The basic cost of the food increased with inflation, so the wait staff has their cost-of-living increase right there.


I find myself wondering this when the state keeps raising the sales tax over and over again.
 
2012-05-02 03:03:15 PM

Carth: Rootus: Carth: Put it on a credit card and then do a charge back due to coercion. Let the restaurant and Visa fight it out.

And you'd lose.

/not sure why people think charge backs always work
//while you're reading this, a protip: always require a signature for packages you receive

I'm sure they don't always approve a charge back but in my expirence the credit card company just takes it off your bill instead of arguing with you about it. Unlike the restaurant they realize it isn't worth having you cancel your card over $20. I'm sure if you do it every month they might take a different approach.


I imagine it's worth it to the restaurants who have to pay whatever is not made up for in tips servers who get $2.13 an hour because the restaurant will fire them if they don't report they made a certain amount of tips. Some customers aren't worth the trouble.

I tip everyone, even if they don't deserve much. It's not their fault the laws are the way they are. 10% on the low end, up to 50% a couple times.
 
2012-05-02 03:03:52 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: she claims they locked the door and called the police.
And Then?


They turned on the buzz saw.

PS Sounds like a good place to avoid.
 
2012-05-02 03:04:14 PM

stevenboof: Trivia Jockey: I just re-read the article...I saw "gratuity" a bunch of times, but not "service charge". Where did you see that it was a service charge?

How many articles have you seen where a flash suppressor was refereed to as a "silencer"? Given the area and the type of food that they serve, I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have figured out (like the rest of the industry has) that you don't have to deal with this when you change it to "service charge". Maybe it's because I live so close to Detroit that all the restaurants do it around here, but I doubt that.

However, you are correct that it is not in the article.


From their website: *** A 17% gratutity will be added for parties of 5 or more ***

Annoying music warning on their site
 
2012-05-02 03:05:48 PM

USA Prime Credit Peggy: The Restaurant's Yelp Page - New Window

UPDATE: I noticed one of the reviewer saying that she got 5-6 ears of corn in her 6lb bag of crawfish. I ordered 6lbs too, but I only got 2 ears of corn - probably because I was eating with one person. Maybe if you had a large group they gave you more corn. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of corn, but at least they don't charge for corn like some other places (Cajun Kitchen, Hank's Crawfish, etc.)


Seriously, if this is your life you should stick a gun in your mouth and call it a day.
 
2012-05-02 03:08:26 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Restaurant policy: more than 5 people and there is an automatic 17% tip.

Locking them in and calling police -- this borders on locking in a shoplifter.

Not sure if legal.


A gratuity is not a service charge.
 
2012-05-02 03:09:20 PM

GoodyearPimp: Cheap ass customer is snippy. Maybe they'd be better off in an establishment that lets you pay before you eat.


Food service worker spotted.
 
2012-05-02 03:09:32 PM

Lumpmoose: News: Group held hostage in restaurant. Fark: for refusing to pay gratuity additional fee clearly marked on menu

If you don't like losing the ability to snub the waitstaff, split up or don't go.


The menu, which is here explicitly says "gratuity", which is legally different than "fee".
 
2012-05-02 03:10:52 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Locking the doors was wrong, but fark you if you're too ignorant to read the part on the menu that says A GRATUITY WILL BE ADDED TO PARTIES OF 5 OR MORE. I deal with these cheapskates all the time, and it's usually the girlfriend/wife that stays behind apologizing for their other while they're out the door in some kind of fake huff. If you want it your way, go to Burger King. If you don't like it, farkin' cook at home. Nobody owes you shiat; you're in our house, and if you can't have respect for our business, or are there to shortchange us or take advantage, then piss off. Being a restaurant manager myself at a mid to high end restaurant, you'd be surprised how many people come in and "invent" problems to save a few bucks. Some people just want to watch the world burn, etc. If he really had a problem with the service, they should have been able to hammer it out with the manager, or got up and left. Not answer "everything is great, thanks" every time the waiter comes over then pull some surprise upset at the last second. Good for them for calling the cops. AND the guy ended up paying after all to avoid "further complications". Uh huh. He was in the right and ended up paying anyways? See above. Sounds like white trash both ways.

/also tell your server you'd like split checks WHEN YOU SIT DOWN, dammit.


Fark you. Your chef will cook it to my specifications and you will bring my food in a timely manner and you will fill my drink. THAT'S YOUR JOB. Don't do the job well and you don't get your bonus.
 
2012-05-02 03:10:56 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I recently paid the bill for a large group. I don't have a problem with the auto-gratuity (in that case), but I do have a question about a particular line item.

"Gratuity Tax Tax"

[i555.photobucket.com image 640x427]

Anyone want to try to explain why I got charged an extra $15? State of SC, if it matters.


It's just like Rape Rape, but not as messy.
 
2012-05-02 03:11:05 PM

Carth: stevenboof: Trivia Jockey: I just re-read the article...I saw "gratuity" a bunch of times, but not "service charge". Where did you see that it was a service charge?

How many articles have you seen where a flash suppressor was refereed to as a "silencer"? Given the area and the type of food that they serve, I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have figured out (like the rest of the industry has) that you don't have to deal with this when you change it to "service charge". Maybe it's because I live so close to Detroit that all the restaurants do it around here, but I doubt that.

However, you are correct that it is not in the article.

From their website: *** A 17% gratutity will be added for parties of 5 or more ***

Annoying music warning on their site


I stand corrected. Although, after this report, I have a feeling that they may be changing the wording on that.
 
2012-05-02 03:11:20 PM

carrion_luggage: USA Prime Credit Peggy: The Restaurant's Yelp Page - New Window

UPDATE: I noticed one of the reviewer saying that she got 5-6 ears of corn in her 6lb bag of crawfish. I ordered 6lbs too, but I only got 2 ears of corn - probably because I was eating with one person. Maybe if you had a large group they gave you more corn. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of corn, but at least they don't charge for corn like some other places (Cajun Kitchen, Hank's Crawfish, etc.)


Seriously, if this is your life you should stick a gun in your mouth and call it a day.


How are you going to sleep with a gun in your mouth?
 
2012-05-02 03:11:31 PM

meanmutton: Lumpmoose: News: Group held hostage in restaurant. Fark: for refusing to pay gratuity additional fee clearly marked on menu

If you don't like losing the ability to snub the waitstaff, split up or don't go.

The menu, which is here explicitly says "gratuity", which is legally different than "fee".


Tell us more about your experience in business law.
 
2012-05-02 03:12:01 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I recently paid the bill for a large group. I don't have a problem with the auto-gratuity (in that case), but I do have a question about a particular line item.

"Gratuity Tax Tax"

[i555.photobucket.com image 640x427]

Anyone want to try to explain why I got charged an extra $15? State of SC, if it matters.


They must have the tax man from the Popeye movie working there. Also, there is an "asking questions" tax.
 
2012-05-02 03:12:58 PM

Jim_Callahan: Gothnet: In that situation I'd have been pushing for number 1 - press charges for kidnapping.

If the automatic gratuity was listed on the menu then this is equivalent to holding a shoplifter, which is legal. False imprisonment only applies if the person being restrained didn't actually commit any offense or if he's held for an unreasonable duration (locking up a thief and immediately calling in the cops is considered reasonable).

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: A gratuity is a gift, by definition. I don't believe you can demand a gift from anyone, otherwise it's extortion.

That's not how it works, there was a fairly simple contract known to all parties in advance, which the customers agreed to by ordering food after reading the menu. If you don't like the terms of a contract, you don't get to execute the contract, have the other party do their part, and then decide to change the terms of your end.

The law doesn't work that way, has never worked that way, and if you get the cops called on you for pulling that shiat then you damned well deserve it, whether you're shortchanging a restaurant or declaring you don't have to pay your mortgage because one of the documents spelled your name in all caps.


Did you know that "contracts" usually require both parties to hold up their ends of the deal?

Of course you didn't. The restaurant forfeited their right to enforce the "contract" then they failed to provide proper service in the first place.
 
2012-05-02 03:14:29 PM

illicit: Of course you didn't. The restaurant forfeited their right to enforce the "contract" then they failed to provide proper service in the first place.


Whose definition of "proper service" is being used here? That's where the problem really lies.
 
2012-05-02 03:15:01 PM
Oh goodie, another tipping thread. My $0.02, if you are making it mandatory, it is no longer to be called a tip and should be charged as a SERVICE FEE. Tips are not compulsory, they are voluntary.

/former waiter
 
2012-05-02 03:15:15 PM

meanmutton: Lumpmoose: News: Group held hostage in restaurant. Fark: for refusing to pay gratuity additional fee clearly marked on menu

If you don't like losing the ability to snub the waitstaff, split up or don't go.

The menu, which is here explicitly says "gratuity", which is legally different than "fee".


Is it worth going to jail for a day then fighting it in court for a few months?
 
2012-05-02 03:15:40 PM

PirateKing: Regardless of your opinion on server hourly wage, that's the reality, and the bulk of their income is tipping. They usually work a full 8 hour day, and they're working even if nobody's in the restaurant. There's lots of stuff to do while they're making $2.13 that gets paid for during the rush.

So, the first issue is that if a server is dealing with a large party, they're not dealing with the individual tables. If a server has a section with six tables of 2 - 4 people, that's six checks that will be tipped out. If one person sucks at tipping, it usually averages out. When they have a large party of 10 - 12, that's one check for more work. Plus, if you combine tables, you lose space for people to sit. So if you pushed 4 tables that could seat 16 separately, together they might only seat 12. THat lowers the tip as well.

That brings us to the second point. Many people have a major blind spot about tipping on large checks. Even if they're usually generous and tip 20%, when they see the $375 check and work out that it's $75 for the tip, they'll say "That's more than I make in two hours! I'll leave $20 instead."

Also, in most places, servers don't get to keep the whole tip. They have to share with the bartenders, bussers, food runners, and occasionally split it with the kitchen or even pay a percentage back to the restaurant.

Auto gratuity just tries to average all this together and make it more equitable for the servers.

All that said, auto-grat on a party of 5 is just being lazy AND greedy.


This is illegal. If you know someone who has to do this, they need to sue the restaurant and get their money back or - at the very least - call the US Dept of Labor.
 
2012-05-02 03:16:06 PM

clyph: Waiters like this are what makes me hate tipping. It's a gift, not an entitlement.

A couple weeks ago I left a $20 tip for a $30 check. The server earned it.

Conversely, last summer I gave a waitress a $20 to pay for a $15.20 check. She pocketed the coins without asking, and just gave me $4 back. So instead of leaving her the $4 like I had planned, I left her a note telling her that since she helped herself to my change, that's all she was getting.


I once went to a restaurant that apparently was pulling a bait and switch scam on their customers. When you got the lunch, the prices were $5.99, but when you got your check, you were being charged $6.99 instead. If you complained, they server would bring the alternate menu with the $6.99 prices. Except for me, the waitress farked up and brought me the $5.99 menu when I complained. The server got this "oh, shiat" expression on her face and went to the manager. He came to my table and told me that I was given the wrong menu and I was going to be charged $6.99 dispite the price on the menu I ordered from. I was already late getting back to work, so I didn't argue. Instead, on the tip portion of the check, I wrote "you already got your farking tip". As I was heading back to the car, he stormed out the door. I don't know if he was planning to kick my ass or just yell at me, but too bad for him, a cop car was pulling into the parking lot, so he just scowled at me and went back inside.

Two weeks later, they had a banner up front advertising lunch prices at $5.99. I'm guessing somebody called the BBB on them.

/well, I think it's a CSB
 
2012-05-02 03:16:52 PM
As someone who usually tips 20%+ I'm getting a kick ou
 
2012-05-02 03:18:54 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I recently paid the bill for a large group. I don't have a problem with the auto-gratuity (in that case), but I do have a question about a particular line item.

"Gratuity Tax Tax"

[i555.photobucket.com image 640x427]

Anyone want to try to explain why I got charged an extra $15? State of SC, if it matters.


Nikki Haley works real hard in the kitchen getting mah sammiches and chicken paht pies.
 
2012-05-02 03:19:09 PM

stevenboof: illicit: Of course you didn't. The restaurant forfeited their right to enforce the "contract" then they failed to provide proper service in the first place.

Whose definition of "proper service" is being used here? That's where the problem really lies.


Um, the customers? That's kind of how of how the restaurant business works.
 
2012-05-02 03:20:18 PM

Madbassist1: frozenhotchocolate: But then again it was texas and whitetrash people are the worst tippers ever, so they could have just been trying to get out of paying their whole tab.

Wanna know how I know you've never worked in Hospitality?

/not even close to the worst.
//they know who they are
///hell they're proud of it.


Why da fark I gotta tip?

/knows somebody who slaved for two hours on a party of 12 at a Black Eyed Peas
//not only did the not give any addition gratuity, the biatched about the 17% added gratuity
///they biatched for close to about 30 minutes when the manager gave in
///I'm not going to play "guess the race", but...they weren't white
 
2012-05-02 03:20:35 PM
Finallly some support that the standard percentage is 15! I always get crap for leaving 15% rounded up to the nearest dollar(Live/Work in the Cambridge MA area). I've been told that it's just because I'm from New Hampshire and everyone is cheap up there. I think everyone is just stupid down here.
 
2012-05-02 03:22:04 PM
The obligatory gratuity system is indicative of what's wrong with USA style capitalism.

Howsabout we pay wait-staff like normal people and only tip when we really are impressed with the service.

ya know, like most of the civilized world....
 
2012-05-02 03:22:38 PM

Spasticus Autisticus: As someone who usually tips 20%+ I'm getting a kick ou


I do too. But I still believe a business has to obey the law, and also shouldn't act like an as$hole.
 
2012-05-02 03:22:59 PM

Spasticus Autisticus: As someone who usually tips 20%+ I'm getting a kick ou


By itself, that still won't make the waitresses sleep with you.
 
2012-05-02 03:23:19 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I recently paid the bill for a large group. I don't have a problem with the auto-gratuity (in that case), but I do have a question about a particular line item.

"Gratuity Tax Tax"



Anyone want to try to explain why I got charged an extra $15? State of SC, if it matters.


If the tip is manditory (and becomes a service fee), it becomes subject to sales tax.

For example, if you buy a toilet for $100 and I charge $50 to install it, I must charge sales tax on the full $150.

This is to avoid the 'paypal' move of charging $1 plus $99 shipping on everything, to avoid the taxman.
 
2012-05-02 03:23:31 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: The obligatory gratuity system is indicative of what's wrong with USA style capitalism.

Howsabout we pay wait-staff like normal people and only tip when we really are impressed with the service.

ya know, like most of the civilized world....


Take your metric system and your Communism and get the hell to Canada, fascist!
 
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