tenpoundsofcheese: Did anyone tell Huffington or the other dems that the ad is appropriate?

The fark does Huffington have to do with anything?

make me some tea: Aarontology: Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?

No, actually.

Yeah, I dared mention that on Facebook, and received a rant about how Obama was too busy surrendering to terrorists and how I should just go live in china or Russia with the other liberals.

These people don't live in reality, they live in right wing fantasy land. The idea that Obama could actually be tough on defense and tough on terrorism is counter to their world view, so they reject it outright. Someone else must be responsible, someone not 'liberal' else their worldview is violated.

And to think, all that time it was your side that was bad.

They are both bad. I spent the last few years building up a false equivalence of both sides.

tenpoundsofcheese: No...

He's done plenty with the Congress he has to dance with. The OBL kill is just one of the few things that even one, such as yourself, are having remarkably difficult times ignoring/spinning/etc.

Wendy's Chili: Just as it would have been absurd for the Bush campaign not to mention 9/11 in our 2004 reelection launch. In fact, all we did in our ads was say we faced some unexpected challenges and showed some images of 9/11. And we were crucified by the Democrats.

How dare we exploit 9/11 for political purposes, brayed the Democrats, John Kerry, and the firefighter unions eight years ago.

False equivalance is false.

Eliminating bin Laden and his lieutenants are accomplishments. 9/11 was anything but.

Romney said Obama was wrong when he said he'd do what he eventually did. John Kerry never said that we shouldn't go after al Queda or that 9/11 was a good thing.

Bush exploited a massive loss of American lives that happened on his watch to stoke fear among voters. Obama is touting a victorious mission his opponent said should not have been undertaken.

Which will be responded with 'Both sides are the same' from the right wingers.

Aarontology: And what do you want him to do about gas prices? Intervene in the economy and punish oil companies for selling a good a profit?

I get the impression they want to nationalize the oil industry. Of course, they want Obama to do it while they try to take all the credit for the "good" parts of that particular socialism.

coeyagi: seniorgato: Didn't fark have a meter they put on each political post? republican or democrat?
With the election heating up, it may be time to pull it out of moth balls.

TF subscriptions must be down so they don't have the resources to a) write an algorithm to do it or b) have some (modestly) paid monkey count the articles for each political slant.

Maybe they realized the meter was the embodiment of the false dichotomy of "balance".

coeyagi: More_Like_A_Stain: coeyagi: More_Like_A_Stain: Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.

I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.

Whatever, Rudy / Brownie did a heckuva job!

As much as I dislike Rudy, he probably did do a heckuva job under the circumstances. Brownie, on the other hand...

Well, Rudy's "lack of a heckuva job" before the attack screwed hundreds of lives. Google "World Trade Command Center Giuliani" to see what a prick Mr. 911 was.

Like I said, I don't like the guy, but at least for a few weeks after the attacks, he seemed to have a handle on the situation. I can't remember specifics anymore, and can't be bothered to look them up, as I feel dirty enough defending him as much as I am. But that was my impression at the time. I didn't like him before the attacks, and I damn sure don't like how he capitalized on them afterwards. But for a few short weeks, he seemed to be handling an extraordinary situation well. But as always, I could be wrong.

Romney would have killed bin Laden twice as much. Look it up.

tenpoundsofcheese: Aarontology: Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?

No. I think it reminds people that 0bama hasn't done anything to fix the economy or unemployment or high gas prices.

We are waiting for this ads on his work in those areas.

another gold star post buddy. 0bama has d0ne zer0 0n j0bs and the ec0n0my...well alm0st zer0.

It's smart to change the subject from republicans whining about bin laden, 'cause that looks bad.

/hey, did you see how I used the zeros as Os there? that's to build my credibility.

tenpoundsofcheese: mark.jms: when he's really just an average center-right president.



uhhh, average center-right presidents don't think their job is to spread the wealth around.

Exactly. Since he hasn't done that at all during his presidency, he qualifies as a center-right president.

tenpoundsofcheese: mark.jms: when he's really just an average center-right president.

uhhh, average center-right presidents don't think their job is to spread the wealth around.

Increased wealth inequality is a bad thing for society and for representative democracy.

And yet you champion it like it was good, a logical or moral.

Clue to 10p0unds0fderp: It is none of those things.

Protip: Either are you.

Cletus C.: Romney would have killed bin Laden twice as much. Look it up.

OK I'll admit. That made me laugh.

Cletus C.: Romney would have killed bin Laden twice as much. Look it up.

While reducing his taxes at the same time.

regindyn: tenpoundsofcheese: mark.jms: when he's really just an average center-right president.



uhhh, average center-right presidents don't think their job is to spread the wealth around.

Exactly. Since he hasn't done that at all during his presidency, he qualifies as a center-right president.

just because he failed in what he wanted to do does not change who he is.

GAT_00: Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch.

They have been going to bat for the GOP since the primaries started. Corporate Media loses much of its power without TWO sides to play against each other. That's why the GOP feels comfortable in doing what they do, they know the PR Dept of Global Corporate Socialism (aka MSM) will come riding to their rescue.

Strike one of them As, eh?

Karac: Well lets look at this. 9/11 was the Bush administration getting caught by suprise by a massive terrorist attack. What did Bush have to brag about on 9/11? He read some books to first graders and put out an order to ground all civilian air traffic. Planes are flying into buildings -well, why don't we tell them not to? Not exactly a risky or difficult decision.

Let's also not forget how bravely President Bush ordered those firefighters to try to rescue survivors!

tenpoundsofcheese:

just because he failed in what he wanted to do does not change who he is.

Okay, I'll humor the moron.

Who is he?

make me some tea: GAT_00: Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch. Killing OBL is going to end up a problem for this campaign.

Kerry was a weak candidate to begin with. I didn't much care for the guy myself.

That doesn't mean the media didn't help kill him.

Just because Bush had all the "I caught Saddam" and "Saddam is dead due to my efforts" ads that ran all the time, does not mean it was right.

Nor does it mean that 0bama should do the same ads.

Is the bar for acceptable behavior now anything that Bush did?

(well, that would explain why 0bama approved the tax cuts for the rich)

tenpoundsofcheese: mark.jms: when he's really just an average center-right president.



uhhh, average center-right presidents don't think their job is to spread the wealth around.

dude? I'm a big fan but...
just use zer0s f0r ALL th0se Os

..see y0u're kn0wn f0r using a zer0 in place of an O when typing 0bama, s0 I think using zer0s f0r ALL Os will just reinf0rce the idea that 0bama is a zer0.

n0t trying to teach the teacher here, but y0u're missing a l0t of O to zer0 0pp0tunities, and it's a shame. I think that s0rta hurts y0ur credibility.

qorkfiend: coeyagi: seniorgato: Didn't fark have a meter they put on each political post? republican or democrat?
With the election heating up, it may be time to pull it out of moth balls.

TF subscriptions must be down so they don't have the resources to a) write an algorithm to do it or b) have some (modestly) paid monkey count the articles for each political slant.

Maybe they realized the meter was the embodiment of the false dichotomy of "balance".

Wish Politifact would take the hint, those ass clowns.

tenpoundsofcheese: regindyn: tenpoundsofcheese: mark.jms: when he's really just an average center-right president.



uhhh, average center-right presidents don't think their job is to spread the wealth around.

Exactly. Since he hasn't done that at all during his presidency, he qualifies as a center-right president.

just because he failed in what he wanted to do does not change who he is.

So if "trickle down economics" isn't designed to spread the wealth around, what exactly is supposed to be trickling down?

GAT_00: make me some tea: GAT_00: Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch. Killing OBL is going to end up a problem for this campaign.

Kerry was a weak candidate to begin with. I didn't much care for the guy myself.

That doesn't mean the media didn't help kill him.

He didn't help save himself ether. He let the Bush folks walk all over him, and fails to timely respond to any attack. Instead, he was slow to react, and often came off a bit out of touch.

Obama doesn't do that. Hell, he turns the attacks into jokes, and then purposely trolls his opposition. the result is the GOP complaining that they were set up, take the war on women for example.

More_Like_A_Stain: coeyagi: More_Like_A_Stain: coeyagi: More_Like_A_Stain: Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.

I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.

Whatever, Rudy / Brownie did a heckuva job!

As much as I dislike Rudy, he probably did do a heckuva job under the circumstances. Brownie, on the other hand...

Well, Rudy's "lack of a heckuva job" before the attack screwed hundreds of lives. Google "World Trade Command Center Giuliani" to see what a prick Mr. 911 was.

Like I said, I don't like the guy, but at least for a few weeks after the attacks, he seemed to have a handle on the situation. I can't remember specifics anymore, and can't be bothered to look them up, as I feel dirty enough defending him as much as I am. But that was my impression at the time. I didn't like him before the attacks, and I damn sure don't like how he capitalized on them afterwards. But for a few short weeks, he seemed to be handling an extraordinary situation well. But as always, I could be wrong.

Yeah, I am not attacking him for his post-9/11 leadership, but he caused deaths. Lots of them. How? The farker was adamant that an emergency command center be put in the bottom of WTC.... despite almost EVERYONE telling him what a farking bad idea that was. Why was he adamant it be at WTC? So the TV crews would be able to get there easily to capture him looking dignified and steady under fire.

WHAT. A. DICK.

tenpoundsofcheese: Is the bar for acceptable behavior now anything that Bush did?

If the bar is starting two wars, saber rattling for one or two more, and some of the widest ranging roll backs on civil liberties since the days of the Red Scare and McCarthyism, you'll have to explain how Obama is 'bad'.

And you were 'against' going to war with Iraq? Do tell.

someonelse: tenpoundsofcheese: Is the bar for acceptable behavior now anything that Bush did?

Was the aircraft carrier ad acceptable behavior?

Do you know who put the Mission Accomplished sign up and what Mission was it actually referring to?

Bush could have had the world on a plate, but his obsession with whacking Saddam squandered all that.

Aarontology: Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?

Plus it gives us the chance to post this:



Hot!

Jake Havechek: Bush could have had the world on a plate, but his obsession with whacking Saddam squandered all that.

so true, it was that obsession that turned me off...It made no sense at all.
it just got worse from there.

/remember when neocons were the worst thing the Rs had going for them?
good times.

Cletus C.: Romney would have killed bin Laden twice as much. Look it up.

Romney admitted he would not have made that call and then he went and made Jimmy Carter look good by pointing out that Jimmy Carter did make a very similar call in 1980.

Let me say that again the Republican Presidential candidate for 2012, Mitt Romney, made Jimmy Carter look good.

This whole campaign is Clinton vs Dole in '96 turned up to 11. And it didn't turn out well for Republicans then, either.

tenpoundsofcheese: Do you know who put the Mission Accomplished sign up

Someone under the Command of Commander in Chief George W. Bush.

Antimatter: He let the Bush folks walk all over him

To properly respond to them, the media has to be willing to give time to a response. They never would have.

Cinaed: tenpoundsofcheese: Is the bar for acceptable behavior now anything that Bush did?

some of the widest ranging roll backs on civil liberties since the days of the Red Scare and McCarthyism, you'll have to explain how Obama is 'bad'.



how have those roll backs on civil liberties been doing with 0bama? We are now blowing up American citizens without the benefit of a trial.

These are the same folks that turned honorable service in Veitnam into a bad thing. As a veteran it's something I will never forget.

Headso: How dare we exploit 9/11 for political purposes, brayed the Democrats, John Kerry, and the firefighter unions eight years ago.

And now, how dare Obama exploit OBL for political purposes, say Republicans today.

Here's the republicans controlling the message again, even the daily beast just has to throw in some false equivalency to create "balance" in their reporting because they are too wimpy to tell it like it is.

To be fair this is an editorial by a former Bush campaign advisor not a news article from a Daily Beast reporter.

tenpoundsofcheese: Cinaed: tenpoundsofcheese: Is the bar for acceptable behavior now anything that Bush did?

some of the widest ranging roll backs on civil liberties since the days of the Red Scare and McCarthyism, you'll have to explain how Obama is 'bad'.



how have those roll backs on civil liberties been doing with 0bama? We are now blowing up American citizens without the benefit of a trial.

I know a few I'd like to blow up without trial

tenpoundsofcheese: Cinaed: tenpoundsofcheese: Is the bar for acceptable behavior now anything that Bush did?

some of the widest ranging roll backs on civil liberties since the days of the Red Scare and McCarthyism, you'll have to explain how Obama is 'bad'.



how have those roll backs on civil liberties been doing with 0bama? We are now blowing up American citizens without the benefit of a trial.

If you engage in an act of war on foreign soil, outside of U.S. jurisdiction, the military is not obligated to Mirandize you, citizen or not. Never have been.
But you knew that, tenpoundsofBreitbartsmontholdSantorum.

Philip Francis Queeg: tenpoundsofcheese: Do you know who put the Mission Accomplished sign up

Someone under the Command of Commander in Chief George W. Bush.

you didn't answer the second part.

so the CiC is now responsible for every detail? Got it. Will remember that when Manning comes up for trial since he was under the command of the Commander in Chief 0bama.