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(The Daily Beast)   GOP fell victim to one of the classic blunders: Never criticize a perfectly legitimate attack ad when the presidency is on the line   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2012-05-02 09:16:15 AM  
The one thing that the folks who are lining up to criticize his speech, are the obvious misquotes in trying to claim that he didn't thank everyone involved. The willful ignorance of those portions of his speech are odd, considering that that it's on record.

That's the thing that the GOP strategists KEEP failing to understand. Words are recorded, and they can be played back. It only makes the Spin HARDAR mentality look cheaper when it's so damn easy to show the bias, and it undermines their own credibility, especially when they try to portray an opponent as being biased.

The GOP NEEDS credibility, and this grasping to spin EVERYTHING only gives the President a very easy mode to attack. The whole flap over his wink about his birth certificate illustrates that. It is becoming predictable to gauge response, and that gives the Obama campaign a lot of power to shape the conversation, simply by trolling the opposition.

Obama might want to think about coming out in favor of apple pie, beef, football, American made cars, baseball, and going to church on Sundays, just to watch Fox and Friends get their panties in a twist to repudiate such SOCIALISMS!
 
2012-05-02 09:25:00 AM  
I didn't mind Bush using 9/11 so much, but raising the terror level alert to "Orange" to give him a bump in the polls was pretty bad.
 
2012-05-02 09:30:58 AM  

hubiestubert: The one thing that the folks who are lining up to criticize his speech, are the obvious misquotes in trying to claim that he didn't thank everyone involved. The willful ignorance of those portions of his speech are odd, considering that that it's on record.

That's the thing that the GOP strategists KEEP failing to understand. Words are recorded, and they can be played back. It only makes the Spin HARDAR mentality look cheaper when it's so damn easy to show the bias, and it undermines their own credibility, especially when they try to portray an opponent as being biased.

The GOP NEEDS credibility, and this grasping to spin EVERYTHING only gives the President a very easy mode to attack. The whole flap over his wink about his birth certificate illustrates that. It is becoming predictable to gauge response, and that gives the Obama campaign a lot of power to shape the conversation, simply by trolling the opposition.

Obama might want to think about coming out in favor of apple pie, beef, football, American made cars, baseball, and going to church on Sundays, just to watch Fox and Friends get their panties in a twist to repudiate such SOCIALISMS!


There are people that consume nothing but FOX News and Rush Limbaugh, and they happily live their days in fantasy land. Regular voters don't pump the ratings, so independents be damned. They're preaching to the choir.
 
2012-05-02 09:31:13 AM  
Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?
 
2012-05-02 09:35:14 AM  

Aarontology: Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?


No, actually.
 
2012-05-02 09:36:56 AM  
Well at least he didn't dress up like the President from ID4 and have a Mission Accomplished banner made up before even doing anything.

Jake Havechek: I didn't mind Bush using 9/11 so much


How could he "use" the worst act of terrorism in our nation's history happening one his watch, "Well it didn't happen again!"?

Oh wait, that's exactly what he did and people ate it up.
 
2012-05-02 09:39:12 AM  
Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch. Killing OBL is going to end up a problem for this campaign.
 
2012-05-02 09:40:12 AM  

Mugato: How could he "use" the worst act of terrorism in our nation's history happening one his watch, "Well it didn't happen again!"?

Oh wait, that's exactly what he did and people ate it up.


this still beggars belief.

imagine if 9/11 had happened during an al gore presidency. instead of rallying around the president, as democrats did, i guarantee you that they would have called for his impeachment that very night. i could see some even calling for his execution for treason.
 
2012-05-02 09:42:50 AM  

Mugato: Well at least he didn't dress up like the President from ID4 and have a Mission Accomplished banner made up before even doing anything.

Jake Havechek: I didn't mind Bush using 9/11 so much

How could he "use" the worst act of terrorism in our nation's history happening one his watch, "Well it didn't happen again!"?

Oh wait, that's exactly what he did and people ate it up.


I recall people trying to elevate the pic of him standing on the rubble with the bullhorn to be akin of the Iwo Jima flag raising pic.

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.
 
2012-05-02 09:43:15 AM  

GAT_00: Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch. Killing OBL is going to end up a problem for this campaign.


yup.

during the campaign so far, the mainstream media has favored romney over obama by a wide margin. there's no indication that it will change.

hell, i heard on NPR this morning that they were going to interview jonah goldberg about his new "book." jonah farking goldberg! on NPR!
 
2012-05-02 09:45:26 AM  
What the author is saying is that we will be increasingly a land of 2-term presidents because the opposition goes batshiat crazy against the incumbent's campaign and turns people off.
 
2012-05-02 09:46:48 AM  

hubiestubert:

Obama might want to think about coming out in favor of apple pie, beef, football, American made cars, baseball, and going to church on Sundays, just to watch Fox and Friends get their panties in a twist to repudiate such SOCIALISMS!


Obama: "I love to just kick back on Sunday afternoons with an ice cream cone."
Fox & F: "THIS PRESIDENT IS PROMOTING A LAZY LIFESTYLE HE EXPECTS HANDOUTS OF ICECREAM CAUSE HEZ A SOCIALIST AND ICE CREAM MAKES YOU FAT OBAMA WANTS EVERYONE TO GET FAT AND DIE"
 
2012-05-02 09:46:50 AM  
Besides, it's common knowledge that Bush was obsessed with Saddam and bin Laden was a low priority for him.
 
2012-05-02 09:48:10 AM  
Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.

Right wingers are such f*cking lemmings.
 
2012-05-02 09:48:11 AM  

FlashHarry:
hell, i heard on NPR this morning that they were going to interview jonah goldberg about his new "book." jonah farking goldberg! on NPR!


I wanted to rip the faceplate off of my radio and throw it out the window into traffic.
 
2012-05-02 09:48:40 AM  

hubiestubert: Obama might want to think about coming out in favor of ...American made cars


he did, and now the GOP biatched about the auto bailout daily.
 
2012-05-02 09:49:15 AM  

kid_icarus: hubiestubert:

Obama might want to think about coming out in favor of apple pie, beef, football, American made cars, baseball, and going to church on Sundays, just to watch Fox and Friends get their panties in a twist to repudiate such SOCIALISMS!

Obama: "I love to just kick back on Sunday afternoons with an ice cream cone."
Fox & F: "THIS PRESIDENT IS PROMOTING A LAZY LIFESTYLE HE EXPECTS HANDOUTS OF ICECREAM CAUSE HEZ A SOCIALIST AND ICE CREAM MAKES YOU FAT OBAMA WANTS EVERYONE TO GET FAT AND DIE"


It is now common knowledge that they will oppose ANYTHING Obama does or says. He might as well use it to his advantage.

//like Jackie Mason's wicked slice in Caddyshack II
 
2012-05-02 09:49:27 AM  

hubiestubert: Obama might want to think about coming out in favor of apple pie, beef, football, American made cars, baseball, and going to church on Sundays, just to watch Fox and Friends get their panties in a twist to repudiate such SOCIALISMS!


Why not pork? Because Mooslim!
 
2012-05-02 09:49:32 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.

Right wingers are such f*cking lemmings.


Hmmmm.....it's like they get their catchphrases and talking points from the same place!!!
 
2012-05-02 09:49:54 AM  
The left have long noted that the GOP's obsession with making sure they spin every little thing Obama does into a negative can only go so far before they starts looking like the hyper-partisan, reality-challenged hacks they are.

The killing of OBL is a perfect case in point.

Any half-ways sane individual would give Obama credit for the gutsy call that was made that day.

Because the GOP have stubbornly refused to bend their narrative to include any glimpse of reality here they have lost a lot of credibility in the eyes of the electorate.

And rightfully so, of course.

Stressing this point only serves to underscore how dishonest the GOP have been all along and may even get some people wondering how much of the rest of their spiel is manufactured outrage disconnected from reality.

And that would be bad news... for the GOP.
 
2012-05-02 09:50:05 AM  

make me some tea: No, actually.


It's kind of funny, looking back on the GOP's obsession with 9/11. Every single ad, every montage at a convention was basically the GOP saying "LOOK AT HOW WE FAILED TO PROTECT AMERICA, VOTE FOR US OR IT'LL HAPPEN AGAIN"
 
2012-05-02 09:50:55 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.

Right wingers are such f*cking lemmings.


Well, Obama did use the word "I" a lot when announcing OBL's death. "I would like to thank...." "I would like to recognize...." "I would hope that the Pakistani people..."

What an ego!
 
2012-05-02 09:51:10 AM  
How dare we exploit 9/11 for political purposes, brayed the Democrats, John Kerry, and the firefighter unions eight years ago.

And now, how dare Obama exploit OBL for political purposes, say Republicans today.


Here's the republicans controlling the message again, even the daily beast just has to throw in some false equivalency to create "balance" in their reporting because they are too wimpy to tell it like it is.
 
2012-05-02 09:51:18 AM  

Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.


I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.
 
2012-05-02 09:52:11 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.

I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.


Whatever, Rudy / Brownie did a heckuva job!
 
2012-05-02 09:52:33 AM  
Did anyone tell Huffington or the other dems that the ad is appropriate?
 
2012-05-02 09:53:07 AM  

FlashHarry: GAT_00: Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch. Killing OBL is going to end up a problem for this campaign.

yup.

during the campaign so far, the mainstream media has favored romney over obama by a wide margin. there's no indication that it will change.

hell, i heard on NPR this morning that they were going to interview jonah goldberg about his new "book." jonah farking goldberg! on NPR!


FWIW, the NPR host gave him a bit of the what-for - calling him out on the right bleating on and on about Obama being the reincarnation of Marx and Lenin's lovechild with Mao as his atheist nogodfather, when he's really just an average center-right president.

Or, you know, Goldberg's own book titled "Liberal Facism".

Not that any of those salient points stuck in the man's head, mind you, but at least it was said out loud.

Also, saw a picture of him (Goldberg) for the first time. There's a PhD in psychology waiting for someone who does a study on how someone you see for the first time after vehemently disliking everything they say automatically looks like a douchebag.

If I was going for a psychology PhD I'd call this the "Norquist Effect'.
 
2012-05-02 09:54:20 AM  

Aarontology: Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?


No. I think it reminds people that 0bama hasn't done anything to fix the economy or unemployment or high gas prices.

We are waiting for this ads on his work in those areas.
 
2012-05-02 09:55:23 AM  
Just as it would have been absurd for the Bush campaign not to mention 9/11 in our 2004 reelection launch. In fact, all we did in our ads was say we faced some unexpected challenges and showed some images of 9/11. And we were crucified by the Democrats.

How dare we exploit 9/11 for political purposes, brayed the Democrats, John Kerry, and the firefighter unions eight years ago.


False equivalance is false.

Eliminating bin Laden and his lieutenants are accomplishments. 9/11 was anything but.

Romney said Obama was wrong when he said he'd do what he eventually did. John Kerry never said that we shouldn't go after al Queda or that 9/11 was a good thing.

Bush exploited a massive loss of American lives that happened on his watch to stoke fear among voters. Obama is touting a victorious mission his opponent said should not have been undertaken.
 
2012-05-02 09:55:33 AM  

mark.jms: FlashHarry: GAT_00: Yeah, but the media helped kill John Kerry in 2004. They'll back the Republican attack this time around, watch. Killing OBL is going to end up a problem for this campaign.

yup.

during the campaign so far, the mainstream media has favored romney over obama by a wide margin. there's no indication that it will change.

hell, i heard on NPR this morning that they were going to interview jonah goldberg about his new "book." jonah farking goldberg! on NPR!

FWIW, the NPR host gave him a bit of the what-for - calling him out on the right bleating on and on about Obama being the reincarnation of Marx and Lenin's lovechild with Mao as his atheist nogodfather, when he's really just an average center-right president.

Or, you know, Goldberg's own book titled "Liberal Facism".

Not that any of those salient points stuck in the man's head, mind you, but at least it was said out loud.

Also, saw a picture of him (Goldberg) for the first time. There's a PhD in psychology waiting for someone who does a study on how someone you see for the first time after vehemently disliking everything they say automatically looks like a douchebag.

If I was going for a psychology PhD I'd call this the "Norquist Effect'.


I am pretty sure that relativistically or not, Grover Norquist looks like a douchebag, was scorned as looking like a douchebag, and ultimately became a douchebag.

Chicken / egg : Douche / bag.
 
2012-05-02 09:55:43 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.

Right wingers are such f*cking lemmings.


The RNC releases a memo of talking points for friendly news organizations. I vaguely remember seeing a clip of a woman on Fox News reading portions of one out loud on the air.
 
2012-05-02 09:55:48 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.


www.september11news.com

i'm sure this is the one he's talking about. it was taken on 9/11 and used in campaign materials in 2004.
 
2012-05-02 09:56:11 AM  

Jake Havechek: NeverDrunk23: Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.

Right wingers are such f*cking lemmings.

Hmmmm.....it's like they get their catchphrases and talking points from the same place!!!


And as they keep this up, they best be ready to hear a new catchphrase from other people more and more over time:

'I'm never voting republican.'
 
2012-05-02 09:56:14 AM  

coeyagi: More_Like_A_Stain: Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.

I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.

Whatever, Rudy / Brownie did a heckuva job!


As much as I dislike Rudy, he probably did do a heckuva job under the circumstances. Brownie, on the other hand...
 
2012-05-02 09:56:21 AM  

mark.jms: when he's really just an average center-right president.



uhhh, average center-right presidents don't think their job is to spread the wealth around.
 
2012-05-02 09:56:33 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama hasn't done anything to fix the economy or unemployment or high gas prices.


You do realize that economic strength and gas prices are directly correlated, right?

Who am I kidding? Of course you don't. You are a moron whose most significant neural processing center is a ganglion in your heel.
 
2012-05-02 09:57:26 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.


Monday it was the bottom-right text on Fox News. (Again, don't watch it, it was on one of the TVs at the gym, it just happened to be there.)
 
2012-05-02 09:57:50 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: coeyagi: More_Like_A_Stain: Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.

I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.

Whatever, Rudy / Brownie did a heckuva job!

As much as I dislike Rudy, he probably did do a heckuva job under the circumstances. Brownie, on the other hand...


Well, Rudy's "lack of a heckuva job" before the attack screwed hundreds of lives. Google "World Trade Command Center Giuliani" to see what a prick Mr. 911 was.
 
2012-05-02 09:58:13 AM  
How dare we exploit 9/11 for political purposes, brayed the Democrats, John Kerry, and the firefighter unions eight years ago.

And now, how dare Obama exploit OBL for political purposes, say Republicans today.


Well lets look at this. 9/11 was the Bush administration getting caught by suprise by a massive terrorist attack. What did Bush have to brag about on 9/11? He read some books to first graders and put out an order to ground all civilian air traffic. Planes are flying into buildings -well, why don't we tell them not to? Not exactly a risky or difficult decision.

What did Obama do on the bin Laden raid? He ordered a risky and potentially politically disastrous troops on the ground mission in an foreign country we weren't really at war with. The risk on there was that Pakistan could have told us to permanantly fark off out of their land or that the helicopters would all crash and he would have no choice but to legally change his name to Jimmy Carter Jr.

Obama did something worth putting on his resume. Bush was bragging about not shiatting his pants.
 
2012-05-02 09:58:14 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Jake Havechek:

Then the RNC sold tasteful pics of Bush gazing out the window of Air Force One at NYC.

I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.


Yeah, but he did one for 9/11, too.

Bush pic
 
2012-05-02 09:58:19 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Eliminating bin Laden and his lieutenants are accomplishments. 9/11 was anything but.

Romney said Obama was wrong when he said he'd do what he eventually did. John Kerry never said that we shouldn't go after al Queda or that 9/11 was a good thing.

Bush exploited a massive loss of American lives that happened on his watch to stoke fear among voters. Obama is touting a victorious mission his opponent said should not have been undertaken.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-02 09:58:58 AM  
FlashHarry:

www.september11news.com

"...with pepperoni, and uh...y'all got black olives?"
 
2012-05-02 09:59:00 AM  
I remember the GOP convention in '04 where footage of the attacks and collapse was played over and over and over again. They were replaying footage of the death of a couple of thousand Americans. Repeatedly. It was a snuff film played for jingoistic glory. If Obama pulls something like that, I'll be the first to criticize him.
 
2012-05-02 09:59:03 AM  

FlashHarry: More_Like_A_Stain: I thought that pic was NOLA after Katrina.

[www.september11news.com image 449x400]

i'm sure this is the one he's talking about. it was taken on 9/11 and used in campaign materials in 2004.


Ah! Got it. I had forgotten about that one. I was thinking of this one;

images.politico.com
 
2012-05-02 09:59:27 AM  
Didn't fark have a meter they put on each political post? republican or democrat?
With the election heating up, it may be time to pull it out of moth balls.
 
2012-05-02 09:59:46 AM  

FlashHarry: imagine if 9/11 had happened during an al gore presidency. instead of rallying around the president, as democrats did, i guarantee you that they would have called for his impeachment that very night. i could see some even calling for his execution for treason.


Or the Obama Presidency, imagine that one. In fact, imagine if a lot of recent Presidential or candidate "scandals" happening under Obama. The infidelity, the bastard children, the terror attacks. Imagine if any of that happened under him. Holy shiat. That's why they come up with such ridiculous shiat to criticize him on, because they don't have anything real and that really pisses them off.

And yes, the Democrats did rally around Bush after 9/11, despite it happening on his watch. He had a 90-something% approval rating and he flushed that goodwill down the toilet faster than Santorum's aborted baby. We slept with it for a while but it outlived its welcome.
 
2012-05-02 10:01:03 AM  

NeverDrunk23: Yesterday, a couple of right wing trolls here kept using the term 'spiking the football' concerning this topic. Today's NY Post has that exact phrase as their front page.

Right wingers are such f*cking lemmings.


But doesn't accusing Obama of "spiking the football" acknowledge that he made it into the endzone? Otherwise, it's just intentional grounding.

Why do teabaggers hate football?
 
2012-05-02 10:01:06 AM  

seniorgato: Didn't fark have a meter they put on each political post? republican or democrat?
With the election heating up, it may be time to pull it out of moth balls.


TF subscriptions must be down so they don't have the resources to a) write an algorithm to do it or b) have some (modestly) paid monkey count the articles for each political slant.
 
2012-05-02 10:01:45 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Aarontology: Don't these dumbasses realize that every time they whine about bin Laden being dead, and how it's a bad thing that Obama ordered the mission, they remind the American public that for ten years they failed miserably in capturing him despite their threats that he'll strike again if they're not elected?

No. I think it reminds people that 0bama hasn't done anything to fix the economy or unemployment or high gas prices.

We are waiting for this ads on his work in those areas.


I guess you missed the 17-minute-long ad that launched his campaign.

BTW, gas prices are going down, unemployment is going down, and the economy is looking better than those in most other countries. But keep praying for more American hardship, patriot.
 
2012-05-02 10:01:46 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No. I think it reminds people that 0bama hasn't done anything to fix the economy or unemployment or high gas prices.


Yes, I'm sure that's what WND and Breitbart told you to think, and like the good little teabagger you are, you accepted these new beliefs without fail. I don't get why you teabaggers think that diminishing the fact that the GOP is weak on national defense, and weak on terrorism and that Obama succeeded where the GOP failed miserably is going to be a winner.

And what do you want him to do about gas prices? Intervene in the economy and punish oil companies for selling a good a profit? And 20 something straight months of job growth fly in the face of your FW;FW;FW;FW;FW;FW talking points. But don't let that stop you from rooting for America to fail.
 
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