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(Townhall)   Anyone who understands economics knows that President Obama's green jobs initiative is snake oil   (townhall.com) divider line 356
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2012-05-02 08:43:50 AM
The side in favor of voodoo economics should not be accusing anyone of selling snake oil.
 
2012-05-02 08:46:37 AM
But we're still going to get trickled down to, right?

/still waiting
 
2012-05-02 08:47:27 AM
I thought Vice President Meyer was in charge of green jobs.
 
2012-05-02 08:59:50 AM
Seriously, all we need to do is BUILD THE PIPELINE!!! It will create 90,000 jobs that all pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and will lower the price of gas to $1.05 per gallon. Duh.
 
2012-05-02 09:00:39 AM
So of course, we should continue to be dependent on foreign nations for our energy. and build a pipeline over the aquifer that services a third of the country and a good portion of the arable land.
 
2012-05-02 09:02:42 AM

Aarontology: So of course, we should continue to be dependent on foreign nations for our energy. and build a pipeline over the aquifer that services a third of the country and a good portion of the arable land.


You're slow this morning sweetness ;) Usually you beat me to the punch.
 
2012-05-02 09:04:31 AM

ginandbacon: and will lower the price of gas to $1.05 per gallon


They warned us that if 0bama required environmental review or something went wrong with their pet project they'd punish us with a spike in gas prices. But I don't think they ever promised that if we give in to them they'll bring those prices back down.
 
2012-05-02 09:06:35 AM

ginandbacon: You're slow this morning sweetness ;) Usually you beat me to the punch.


I've yet to finish my coffee.
 
2012-05-02 09:07:31 AM

unlikely: ginandbacon: and will lower the price of gas to $1.05 per gallon

They warned us that if 0bama required environmental review or something went wrong with their pet project they'd punish us with a spike in gas prices. But I don't think they ever promised that if we give in to them they'll bring those prices back down.


OF COURSE THEY WILL!!!! Because socialism and he's blah. DRILL BABY DRILL! Also, they will make the flying cars.
 
2012-05-02 09:09:33 AM

ginandbacon: Also, they will make the flying cars.


I don't want flying cars. the idiots out there have enough problems with 2 dimensions.
 
2012-05-02 09:10:12 AM
Ah, classic Republican projection.

You know what would be nice? If someone explained why doing everything a company, which is a money making venture only, wants us to do will create jobs, when paying people only reduces profit.
 
2012-05-02 09:11:55 AM

ManateeGag: ginandbacon: Also, they will make the flying cars.

I don't want flying cars. the idiots out there have enough problems with 2 dimensions.


Okay, they'll CURE CANCER!!!!
 
2012-05-02 09:12:04 AM

ginandbacon: Seriously, all we need to do is BUILD THE PIPELINE!!! It will create 90,000 jobs that all pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and will lower the price of gas to $1.05 per gallon. Duh.


Sure, for Canadians.
 
2012-05-02 09:21:00 AM
I will only trust Stossell on the economics of mustache wax. No further.
 
2012-05-02 09:27:51 AM
If destroying the environment is wrong, then how come there is so much money to be made doing it? We can't say we love the Invisible Hand, if we ignore It when it seems convenient.
 
2012-05-02 09:34:04 AM
Aarontology: So of course, we should continue to be dependent on foreign nations for our energy. and build a pipeline over the aquifer that services a third of the country and a good portion of the arable land.

Yes, because Canada and Saudi Arabia are basically equivalent as geopolitical players.

Furthermore, we are currently blessed with the pristine and untouched-by-man nature reserve that is the American midwest. It would be unspeakable to foul this fragile ecosystem by introducing dangerous and risky industrial piping
 
2012-05-02 09:44:33 AM

Il Douchey: Yes, because Canada and Saudi Arabia are basically equivalent as geopolitical players.


It doesn't matter. They're both foreign powers that have no reason to put our interests ahead of theirs. All we're doing is providing a space for the Canadians to get their oil to market so they can sell it to China and India.

Il Douchey: Furthermore, we are currently blessed with the pristine and untouched-by-man nature reserve that is the American midwest. It would be unspeakable to foul this fragile ecosystem by introducing dangerous and risky industrial piping


It's called the Ogallala Aquifer and it provides irrigation water to 30% of America's irrigated farmland. Now, you might think the risk of poisoning a third of America's farmland is worth it for the sake of a Canadian oil company's profits, but I would consider that foolish at best.

And based upon how the last time a foreign oil company poisoned American land because of their own negligence and malfeasance, and the Republican fury at the idea that maybe, jsut maybe, we shouldn't let foreign oil companies poison American land due to lax regulation and the total lack of concern for potential consequences I have zero faith that any leak or breach would be stopped and cleaned up in time to prevent the poisoning of a third of America's farmland.

This isn't about protecting some dumbass endangered species. It's about making sure that the food supply for the United States isn't destroyed because some foreign company cut corners.
 
2012-05-02 09:50:43 AM
Can we just add TownHall to the "Fark won't link to this" list?
 
2012-05-02 09:53:42 AM
Statements of the form "Anyone who understands X...." should never be viewed with suspicion or scrutiny.
 
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2012-05-02 09:55:41 AM
How would someone who takes Townhall seriously have any idea what people who understand economics think?
 
2012-05-02 09:56:27 AM
The GOP is still upset about light bulbs. Seriously.
 
2012-05-02 10:02:49 AM

vernonFL: The GOP is still upset about light bulbs. Seriously.


It's not about lightbulbs. It's about freedom!

/offer not valid for women, minorities, and the poor
 
2012-05-02 10:27:52 AM

vernonFL: The GOP is still upset about light bulbs. Seriously.


Well, that and a First Lady who says that exercise and eating better is a good thing...
 
2012-05-02 10:29:20 AM
Aarontology: It's called the Ogallala Aquifer and it provides irrigation water to 30% of America's irrigated farmland. Now, you might think the risk of poisoning a third of America's farmland is worth it for the sake of a Canadian oil company's profits, but I would consider that foolish at best.

Am I to understand that any mishap along the pipeline would of necessity be catastrophic and result in all of the oil poisoning all of the water? The pipeline across the midwest would be like a human hair across a football field. There are already numerous hairs on that field and none of them will cause the apocolypse that you seem so terrified of. Land leaks are easy to contain.
 
2012-05-02 10:31:33 AM

ginandbacon: ManateeGag: ginandbacon: Also, they will make the flying cars.

I don't want flying cars. the idiots out there have enough problems with 2 dimensions.

Okay, they'll CURE CANCER!!!!


Doubtful... the big money is in treatment

/there's a pill for that
 
2012-05-02 10:32:23 AM

JerseyTim: I thought Vice President Meyer was in charge of green jobs.


She needs a shiat!
 
2012-05-02 10:47:55 AM

Aarontology: It's called the Ogallala Aquifer and it provides irrigation water to 30% of America's irrigated farmland. Now, you might think the risk of poisoning a third of America's farmland is worth it for the sake of a Canadian oil company's profits, but I would consider that foolish at best.


Yeah...um....about that.
 
2012-05-02 10:48:43 AM

Diogenes: Statements of the form "Anyone who understands X...." should never be viewed with suspicion or scrutiny.


anyone who understands statements knows that.
 
2012-05-02 10:53:31 AM
Today, we put up with amazing intrusions in the name of environmentalism. A million petty regulations mandate surtaxes on gas, separation of garbage into multiple bins, special light bulbs, taxes on plastic bags and so on.

Yet these things are of so little ecological consequence that the Earth will never notice. For this, we must surrender our freedom?


yes, the environment was doing so well before environmental regulation. burning rivers and acid rain are all part of the natural cycle.
 
2012-05-02 11:02:21 AM
Anyone who understands economics doesn't read TownHall.
 
2012-05-02 11:04:03 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Aarontology: It's called the Ogallala Aquifer and it provides irrigation water to 30% of America's irrigated farmland. Now, you might think the risk of poisoning a third of America's farmland is worth it for the sake of a Canadian oil company's profits, but I would consider that foolish at best.

Yeah...um....about that.


That was a great conservative opinion. I don't understand why "conservatives" don't want to conserve more of our natural resources.
 
2012-05-02 11:07:18 AM
Republicans still think they understand economics?
 
2012-05-02 11:07:42 AM

SilentStrider: The side in favor of voodoo economics should not be accusing anyone of selling snake oil.


Done in one.
 
2012-05-02 11:09:00 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: But we're still going to get trickled down to, right?


Hey, we only need five more tax cuts for the hyper-wealthy before it works! Seriously this time!

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//But what else can you expect from Townhall?
 
2012-05-02 11:09:37 AM
Anyone who understands economics...

Well, we can safely ignore anything the clowns at Town Hall have to say on the subject then...
 
2012-05-02 11:10:21 AM
"Anyone who understands economics"? Doesn't that pretty much exclude anyone who writes for Townhall?
 
2012-05-02 11:11:01 AM
Actually, here in northern New York, the president's green jobs initiative has translated directly into more employment, more tax revenue and a healthier environment. Don't know where TownHall gets their bullshiat from, but they need to try harder.
 
2012-05-02 11:11:40 AM
Anyone who understands economics knows that President Roosevelt's rural electrification job's initiative is snake oil
 
2012-05-02 11:11:45 AM
You guys do realize that the pipeline was delayed before not because Obama "won" but because the company already agreed to change the route away from the most important areas of the aquifer. As a result the new route wasn't finalized yet when the Republicans tried to politicize the issue and force construction on something...with no plan. The whole effort was damned stupid on its face before you even look at the reality of the economics involved (which make it even less smart..for the US).

And the pipeline route was changed because the area it traversed over the aquifer did in fact NOT have any pipelines at the time.

/jobs are maybe 5000, and temporary at best
//will increase gas prices in the midwest when the local supply glut gets moved after completion
///The oil is going to China anyway, whats the rush to make that even easier again?
 
2012-05-02 11:12:25 AM

theknuckler_33: SilentStrider: The side in favor of voodoo economics should not be accusing anyone of selling snake oil.

Done in one.


This.

keylock71: Anyone who understands economics...

Well, we can safely ignore anything the clowns at Town Hall have to say on the subject then...


And that.
 
2012-05-02 11:13:07 AM
Yes, yes we know the government investing in infrastructure never creates jobs or creates long term job growth. I mean just look at the disasters that were the canal systems on the Great Lakes, the Transcontinental rail road, the interstate highway system, or the internet. All unmitigated disaster that cost millions of jobs and trillions of dollars.
 
2012-05-02 11:14:17 AM

keylock71: Anyone who understands economics...

Well, we can safely ignore anything the clowns at Town Hall have to say on the subject then...


my tiny fist...
 
2012-05-02 11:14:22 AM
Subsidies are incentives for programs that are beneficial to society but are not yet economically beneficial to private enterprise on their own merit. It's critically important that the US develope and expand renewable sources of clean energy, and the best way to do that under a capitalist system is through direct subsidy.

On the flip side, I really do think it's pretty cool we're still burning dinosaur poop to power our horseless carriages.
 
2012-05-02 11:14:38 AM

DarwiOdrade: "Anyone who understands economics"? Doesn't that pretty much exclude anyone who writes for Townhall?


And about 85-90% of all Democrats and Republicans. I was shocked and appalled to discover that most people never had a basic Micro or Macro economics course in high school.
 
2012-05-02 11:15:50 AM

error 303: Subsidies are incentives for programs that are beneficial to society but are not yet economically beneficial to private enterprise on their own merit. It's critically important that the US develope and expand renewable sources of clean energy, and the best way to do that under a capitalist system is through direct subsidy.

On the flip side, I really do think it's pretty cool we're still burning dinosaur poop to power our horseless carriages.


Umm... oil is not dinosaur poop, it is the life, mostly the plant life, that came before the dinosaurs.
 
2012-05-02 11:17:39 AM
Am I to understand that there are those who do NOT wish to poison the water and land like China is doing so our CEO's can enjoy the American Dream? Go see what China's revolution is doing to their country. Yes a small portion of it. The one with people in it.
 
2012-05-02 11:18:03 AM
When I think Townhall, I'm really thinking...expert discourse in economics.
 
2012-05-02 11:19:21 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Aarontology: It's called the Ogallala Aquifer and it provides irrigation water to 30% of America's irrigated farmland. Now, you might think the risk of poisoning a third of America's farmland is worth it for the sake of a Canadian oil company's profits, but I would consider that foolish at best.

Yeah...um....about that.



"The aquifer has problems so lets not worry about farking it up even more. Also Daddy!"

Compelling argument.
 
2012-05-02 11:20:06 AM
You can get oil from snakes?!

Kill, baby, kill! Kill, baby, kill!
 
2012-05-02 11:21:00 AM
Anyone who understands economics knows that we don't have a spare planet to move to if we damage the ecosystems and drain the resources on this one beyond short-term recovery.

But, sure, let's keep pretending we can control everything, that Resilient Private Enterprise will mitigate unpriced negative externalities without outside influence, and that the only people who make noise about little things like "water supplies" and "inhabitability" are crypto-communist hipsters who wish to condemn everyone to living in Soviet-style apartment blocks while sipping lattes and worshipping Che Guevara. Yeah. Because it's all about you, John Stossel, fark everyone else; if they were worth worrying about, they'd all be rock-ribbed job c'rators.

/headdesk
//headdesk
///headdesk
 
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