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2012-05-02 08:21:42 AM
The general state of the 4th estate is lamentable. I just recently heard a clip from Woodward talking about how the up-and-coming generation of would-be journalists in high school and college today think that all journalistic research can be done on the internet and how he thinks that's just terrible.

I think that's terribly myopic of him. Most journalists don't even do that NOW, they just repeat press releases and run with their list of published talking points.

The reason Stewart keeps winning journalism awards is that even though they're pulling it together for a comedy show, his staff actually takes the time to research what they're reporting on and then challenge the untruths, inconsistencies, and straight-up lies.

Journalists: THIS is the kind of research YOU should be doing. You should be calling them ALL, Democrat and Republican alike, out on the carpet every time they throw down with a bit of absurdity. I've heard the whine "But if we challenge them we won't get access"... wah, Stewart and his staff don't get "access" either, and yet they're the ones doing some of the best actual journalism out there.
 
2012-05-02 08:26:00 AM
If anything, that is on the understated side of what might have been
 
2012-05-02 08:34:08 AM
Christ what a collection of hypocritical farktards they have at Fox News.
 
2012-05-02 08:37:32 AM
Didn't Obama answer a question that someone asked him during the news conference that got a "yuck"?

How DARE he answer QUESTIONS
 
2012-05-02 08:38:47 AM
If bin Laden had died under Bush's presidency, his body would have been brought back and propped up in a coffin for republicans holding guns to take photo ops with like he was some old timey western bank robber.

Then it probably would have made a tour of the country to be shown off in person, stopping at every republican representative and senators' district.
 
2012-05-02 08:40:58 AM
www.bannedinhollywood.com
 
2012-05-02 08:41:09 AM
ballsheimers

/lmao!
 
2012-05-02 08:41:12 AM

Mugato: Christ what a collection of hypocritical farktards they have at Fox News.


That may be, but unfortunately the divisiveness works because many (most?) Fox News viewers don't seek out opinions that disagree with their notions.
 
2012-05-02 08:42:59 AM
Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.
 
2012-05-02 08:45:21 AM
Would have run.

/aaah!
//shudders....
 
2012-05-02 08:46:17 AM

SmackLT: Fox News viewers don't seek out allow or listen to opinions that disagree with their notions.


static.guim.co.uk

A Herpin' and a derpin' La la la la la la la la la!
 
2012-05-02 08:47:45 AM

Mugato: Christ what a collection of hypocritical farktards they have at Fox News.


No joke. I'm the most peaceful person you're likely to find. But just watching those few clips makes me want to choke those bastards.
 
2012-05-02 08:50:57 AM

Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.


Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.
 
2012-05-02 08:52:05 AM
If Bush had gotten Bin Laden the GOP would have amended the law to allow him a third term.

/Gonna watch this when I get home this morning.
 
2012-05-02 08:53:27 AM
Bush wouldn't kill Osama Bin Ladin without potentially angering his Saudi backers.

cuthulan.files.wordpress.com

They might not even make out with him anymore.
 
2012-05-02 08:53:31 AM

theknuckler_33: Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.

Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.




eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted. It may've been a bit over the top, but the fake ad is pretty much the root of why Republicans are trying to downplay Obama's role in killing Bin Laden: pure jealousy.
 
2012-05-02 08:55:25 AM
Yea but still....
 
2012-05-02 08:57:16 AM

FeedTheCollapse: theknuckler_33: Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.

Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.

eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted.


Can't show something that didn't exist.
 
2012-05-02 08:57:31 AM

Karac: If bin Laden had died under Bush's presidency, his body would have been brought back and propped up in a coffin for republicans holding guns to take photo ops with like he was some old timey western bank robber.

Then it probably would have made a tour of the country to be shown off in person, stopping at every republican representative and senators' district.


GWB would've been on Mount Rushmore before bin Laden's body had cooled. We'd be celebrating 'George W. Bush' day as a national holiday.
 
2012-05-02 08:59:25 AM
Would have run
I run
I ran
I have run
 
2012-05-02 08:59:29 AM
www.contre-info.com

Luca Brasi memes with the fishes.
 
2012-05-02 09:05:14 AM

magusdevil: I ran


blogs.965thebuzz.com
 
2012-05-02 09:06:58 AM

unlikely: The general state of the 4th estate is lamentable. I just recently heard a clip from Woodward talking about how the up-and-coming generation of would-be journalists in high school and college today think that all journalistic research can be done on the internet and how he thinks that's just terrible.

I think that's terribly myopic of him. Most journalists don't even do that NOW, they just repeat press releases and run with their list of published talking points.

The reason Stewart keeps winning journalism awards is that even though they're pulling it together for a comedy show, his staff actually takes the time to research what they're reporting on and then challenge the untruths, inconsistencies, and straight-up lies.

Journalists: THIS is the kind of research YOU should be doing. You should be calling them ALL, Democrat and Republican alike, out on the carpet every time they throw down with a bit of absurdity. I've heard the whine "But if we challenge them we won't get access"... wah, Stewart and his staff don't get "access" either, and yet they're the ones doing some of the best actual journalism out there.


my only regret is that I have but one upvote to give to this post.

... wait, we don't have upvotes? shiat. would you be interested in a firstborn son?

/clicked "Smart" but it just ain't the same
 
2012-05-02 09:11:26 AM

FeedTheCollapse: eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted. It may've been a bit over the top, but the fake ad is pretty much the root of why Republicans are trying to downplay Obama's role in killing Bin Laden: pure jealousy.


The pundits reacted in utter silence. You can't show clips of silence. At least, you can't with clean editing and not looking even more dickish by putting a still shot up.

I don't think the bin Laden ad was even much of a cheap shot. For fark's sake, it was restrained in every way compared to what it could have been and what it would have been if the parties were switched. This is why Obama shouldn't pull his punches in this campaign: even when he does, the conservatives act like he was carrying brass knuckles.
 
2012-05-02 09:13:44 AM

FeedTheCollapse: theknuckler_33: Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.

Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.



eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted. It may've been a bit over the top, but the fake ad is pretty much the root of why Republicans are trying to downplay Obama's role in killing Bin Laden: pure jealousy.


Pretty much. Hell, when he did his flight suit photo op, it took every bit of restraint for Sean Hannity to not start jacking it on camera.
 
2012-05-02 09:14:55 AM
This is what American politics has come to. Who can be the most aggressive military commander in chief. It's like we don't have any other pressing issues.
 
2012-05-02 09:16:38 AM

farkityfarker: This is what American politics has come to. Who can be the most aggressive military commander in chief. It's like we don't have any other pressing issues.


So vote Republican?
 
2012-05-02 09:17:46 AM
There is truly no bigger group of butthurt assholes in the world than the butthurt assholes at Fox News.
 
2012-05-02 09:18:55 AM

LaViergeNoire: Would have run.

/aaah!
//shudders....


Thank you!

But seriously, I hear and read this wrong so many times that when it's actually right I have to read it over and over again to make sure.

Another one I hate other than "would have ran" is "would have went."
 
2012-05-02 09:21:07 AM

stoli n coke: farkityfarker: This is what American politics has come to. Who can be the most aggressive military commander in chief. It's like we don't have any other pressing issues.

So vote Republican?


In my case, it's leave the president part of the ballot blank, unless it's someone I can vote for, like Nader in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."

This election proves his point.
 
2012-05-02 09:22:52 AM

farkityfarker: stoli n coke: farkityfarker: This is what American politics has come to. Who can be the most aggressive military commander in chief. It's like we don't have any other pressing issues.

So vote Republican?

In my case, it's leave the president part of the ballot blank, unless it's someone I can vote for, like Nader in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."

This election proves his point.


On behalf of the 4-thousand plus troops killed in Iraq, thanks for voting for Nader in 2000.
 
2012-05-02 09:23:18 AM

farkityfarker: As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."


WTF?
 
2012-05-02 09:23:56 AM
Bush in a flightsuit, Bush on the rubble of 9/11, Bush stepping on the American flag at the 9/11 memorial site, Bush in the Katrina disaster area, etc. all make things in my pants twitch.
 
2012-05-02 09:28:59 AM

theknuckler_33: farkityfarker: As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."

WTF?


It's like The Sphinx from mystery men. You know, where you just flip two words in a sentence and it sounds all profound and sh*t. Like if I were to say, "If your post is full of fail, you will fail to truly post."

Sounds deep and shiat, but it's totally meaningless.
 
2012-05-02 09:30:35 AM
Holy crap that was funny....and it included a shot of Salt Lick BBQ...mmmmm...BBQ.

texasbbqguide.com
 
2012-05-02 09:31:15 AM
Can we just cancel Fox news?
 
2012-05-02 09:34:01 AM

bwilson27: Can we just cancel Fox news?


its useful to know what the other side is "thinking".

I don't think at this point, fox is changing peoples minds, they're just telling the choir the song to sing.
 
2012-05-02 09:34:54 AM

stoli n coke: farkityfarker: stoli n coke: farkityfarker: This is what American politics has come to. Who can be the most aggressive military commander in chief. It's like we don't have any other pressing issues.

So vote Republican?

In my case, it's leave the president part of the ballot blank, unless it's someone I can vote for, like Nader in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."

This election proves his point.

On behalf of the 4-thousand plus troops killed in Iraq, thanks for voting for Nader in 2000.


Brutal rebuttal, but 100% accurate.
 
2012-05-02 09:35:57 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: theknuckler_33: farkityfarker: As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."

WTF?

It's like The Sphinx from mystery men. You know, where you just flip two words in a sentence and it sounds all profound and sh*t. Like if I were to say, "If your post is full of fail, you will fail to truly post."

Sounds deep and shiat, but it's totally meaningless.


Sounds deep and meaningless, but it's totally shiat.

/wow, you're right!
 
2012-05-02 09:41:13 AM

Forgot_my_password_again: I don't think at this point, fox is changing peoples minds, they're just telling the choir the song to sing.


Not if they're the #1 news show in the country. They can't all be retarded conservatives or comedy show writers looking for material.
 
2012-05-02 09:44:43 AM

Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.


It's not so much a "this is what would happen if...", it's more a "this is what Mitt Romney explicitly stated he would do (or not do as is the case here)..."

During the 2008 campaign, the candidates were asked if they would order a strike inside Pakistan if there was actionable intelligence that Al Qaeda (or possibly OBL specifically, forgot exact wording) was there. Obama said he would and the entire right, including Romney, lost their shiat over it. Then when that exact situation comes up, Obama did exactly what he said he would and now Republicans are trying to play hindsight hero because everything worked out.

They are goddamn cowards.
 
2012-05-02 09:47:09 AM

FeedTheCollapse: theknuckler_33: Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.

Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.



eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted. It may've been a bit over the top, but the fake ad is pretty much the root of why Republicans are trying to downplay Obama's role in killing Bin Laden: pure jealousy.


I swear rbs liberals have a filter that only allows imagined arguments to reach their ears.

Every pundits I've seen has given credit for the raid. They are arguing against obamas actions after.

1. Outing the seal team 6. Many seals believe this is why the chinook with seal team 6 was shot down, leading to 22 deaths.

2. Spiking the football. A year ago Obama stated he didn't want to use obl as a trophy... Yet when it becomes politically expedient he does.

3. The strawman attack on romney. Romney clarified the statement Obama is using a mere few days later. Obama knows this but ignores it. This is what the left accused brietbart of doing.

These criticisms are not of the raid, but of actions after. Seriously, it helps to not be in a frothy rage when listening to contrarian views, you can hear the actual arguments instead of the straw men the left lives on.
 
2012-05-02 09:47:26 AM

stoli n coke: farkityfarker: stoli n coke: farkityfarker: This is what American politics has come to. Who can be the most aggressive military commander in chief. It's like we don't have any other pressing issues.

So vote Republican?

In my case, it's leave the president part of the ballot blank, unless it's someone I can vote for, like Nader in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

As he says, "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the evil of two lessers."

This election proves his point.

On behalf of the 4-thousand plus troops killed in Iraq, thanks for voting for Nader in 2000.


You're assuming that I would have voted for Gore instead of Nader. Which is incorrect.

And Gore won my state's 11 electoral votes anyway. So under our wonderful Presidential election process, my vote was irrelevant.
 
2012-05-02 09:48:45 AM
 
2012-05-02 09:50:11 AM

MyRandomName: FeedTheCollapse: theknuckler_33: Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.

Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.



eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted. It may've been a bit over the top, but the fake ad is pretty much the root of why Republicans are trying to downplay Obama's role in killing Bin Laden: pure jealousy.

I swear rbs liberals have a filter that only allows imagined arguments to reach their ears.

Every pundits I've seen has given credit for the raid. They are arguing against obamas actions after.

1. Outing the seal team 6. Many seals believe this is why the chinook with seal team 6 was shot down, leading to 22 deaths.

2. Spiking the football. A year ago Obama stated he didn't want to use obl as a trophy... Yet when it becomes politically expedient he does.

3. The strawman attack on romney. Romney clarified the statement Obama is using a mere few days later. Obama knows this but ignores it. This is what the left accused brietbart of doing.

These criticisms are not of the raid, but of actions after. Seriously, it helps to not be in a frothy rage when listening to contrarian views, you can hear the actual arguments instead of the straw men the left lives on.


wut? Never heard of this. Please elaborate.
 
2012-05-02 09:50:13 AM

davideggy: Obama said he would and the entire right, including Romney, lost their shiat over it.


Here's video proof

Y'know, just in case somebody was thinking about moving the goalposts. And, in retrospect, those clips are hilarious. They couldn't be more wrong if they tried, but damned if they didn't cry about invading our ally, Pakistan.
 
2012-05-02 09:54:53 AM
animalnewyork.com

/Hot like the steam billowing out from bin Laden's neck
 
2012-05-02 09:55:04 AM

davideggy: Obama said he would and the entire right, including Romney, lost their shiat over it.


Everyone lost their shiat, right and left. That a presidential candidate had the balls to say what needed to be said was shocking to the establishment. That he followed through with it drives them nuts.
 
2012-05-02 09:55:17 AM

Mugato: Not if they're the #1 news show in the country.


well, yeah its because fox has marketed themselves as the only true 'merica new source for conservatives against those evil liberals trying to ghey your mind with socialism.

Conservatives see it as their only choice.
 
2012-05-02 09:57:14 AM

MyRandomName: FeedTheCollapse: theknuckler_33: Lord_Baull: Generally dislike when either side uses the "this is what would happen if.." argument.

Indeed. Pointing out the blatant use by conservatives in the past of the very tactics they are decrying today was far more effective.



eh, pointing out that Bush did similar things in the past isn't quite as effective if they don't show how the same pundits reacted. It may've been a bit over the top, but the fake ad is pretty much the root of why Republicans are trying to downplay Obama's role in killing Bin Laden: pure jealousy.

I swear rbs liberals have a filter that only allows imagined arguments to reach their ears.


Oh the irony!

Every pundits I've seen has given credit for the raid. They are arguing against obamas actions after.

1. Outing the seal team 6. Many seals believe this is why the chinook with seal team 6 was shot down, leading to 22 deaths.


Please. Seal team 6 was hardly some top secret unit. Hell, Dick Marcinko wrote a book all about them 20 years ago. And the idea that the people who shot down that chinook knew Seal Team 6 was on it is laughable.

2. Spiking the football. A year ago Obama stated he didn't want to use obl as a trophy... Yet when it becomes politically expedient he does.

The 'spiking the football' comment was about OBL's body or the photographs, not the event. You knew that, though.

3. The strawman attack on romney. Romney clarified the statement Obama is using a mere few days later. Obama knows this but ignores it. This is what the left accused brietbart of doing.

OMG, Obama is playing politics in a presidential campaign? History's greatest monster.

These criticisms are not of the raid, but of actions after. Seriously, it helps to not be in a frothy rage when listening to contrarian views, you can hear the actual arguments instead of the straw men the left lives on.

...says the guy using straw men
 
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