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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-05-02 08:21:07 AM
That is consistent with something I observed about my own driving. Usually making left turns is a learned behavior requiring minimal thought. When I'm tired the automatic left-turning part of my brain stops working right. I misjudge gaps in traffic. I have to consciously think about oncoming traffic when making left turns while tired.

Driving old is like driving tired.
 
2012-05-02 09:04:45 AM
Motorcyclists seen in mass exodus from Florida in 3... 2... 1.
 
2012-05-02 10:11:03 AM
Just getting this out of the way: UPS Deliveries make right turns only
 
2012-05-02 10:14:30 AM
They should just move to England..
 
2012-05-02 10:15:01 AM
That's why NASCAR is so popular. Left turns are more challenging than right turns!
 
2012-05-02 10:16:42 AM

ajgeek: Motorcyclists seen in mass exodus from Florida in 3... 2... 1.


What's really odd is that most bikers I've talked to actually have an easier time turning left than they do right. Tipping in to the left just feels more natural.

Likely because the throttle is on the right hand, but there ya go.

/no preference in a car
//just give me lots of both!
 
2012-05-02 10:17:51 AM
They recently changed all the stoplights in our area so that they have a blinking yellow arrow to indicate when you should yield while turning left instead of a solid green light that used to indicate the same thing whereas the solid green arrow always indicates a left turn with right-of-way in both cases. I knew that my dad was getting old because the blinking yellow arrow confused him.
 
2012-05-02 10:19:26 AM
www.geekosystem.com

/hot. Like Magnum
 
2012-05-02 10:19:42 AM
NO ONE can turn left!
 
2012-05-02 10:20:13 AM

pehvbot: /hot. Like Magnum


They're not ambiturners!
 
2012-05-02 10:20:50 AM
ameliahunter.files.wordpress.com

So? Not everyone is an ambiturner.

/image hot like a freak gasoline fight accident
 
2012-05-02 10:21:12 AM

cgraves67: They recently changed all the stoplights in our area so that they have a blinking yellow arrow to indicate when you should yield while turning left instead of a solid green light that used to indicate the same thing whereas the solid green arrow always indicates a left turn with right-of-way in both cases. I knew that my dad was getting old because the blinking yellow arrow confused him.


that would confuse me too, doesn't a solid green mean you are supposed to yield if you are turning left anyway? why do we need another symbol that means the exact same thing?
 
2012-05-02 10:21:23 AM

pehvbot: [www.geekosystem.com image 460x300]

/hot. Like Magnum


Goddamitsomuch! Wanted to be first
 
2012-05-02 10:22:02 AM
lofiland.com

Sympathises
 
2012-05-02 10:22:10 AM
ajgeek
Motorcyclists seen in mass exodus from Florida in 3... 2... 1.

Sitting at a stoplight one day I watched an old man turn left in front of a motorcyclist who expertly laid it down & aside from bruises,was unhurt.The old man drove off so I made a U-turn over the median (full size van with big tires) & chased him down & made him go back to talk to the cops.
Don't know why,but the cop got nasty with me,saying I hadn't seen what I told him I'd seen,told him I was just trying to help & would be happy to testify in court.
He didn't bother to get my info,just told me to leave.

/waiting for the day I have to take Mom's keys away
//she's gonna be pissed
//tough shiat Mom,it's for your own good & everybody else's
 
2012-05-02 10:22:55 AM

thecpt: pehvbot: /hot. Like Magnum

They're not ambLiturners!


FTFY
 
2012-05-02 10:24:47 AM
There were 382 serious crashes involving drivers 70 and older making left turns in Broward County , 207 in Palm Beach County and 559 in Miami-Dade County.


daaaaayyyyyyyyum...

Yup, sorry granny but you should not be allowed to drive without a road test every 5 years over the age of 65. There is no difference between driving old and driving impaired when you start losing your wits and reaction time.

They passed a similar law in NH, and some douchenozzle is trying to rile up the old folks and get it repealed for his own personal political capital. If you can't past a safety test, tough. Stop endangering others because you think you have some right to a license you can not pass.
 
2012-05-02 10:24:48 AM
In florida it really doesn't matter whose driving, everyone sucks at driving. Case point: I-4 between tampa and orlando.

Between motorcycles doing far over 80mph, grandma and soccer mom doing under 70, tractor trailers doing the speed limit, barbie doing 80 while texting and guido trying to race his 5.0L Mustang vs every car.
To make matters worse, we have downtown orlando then disney land to deal with so that makes tourist who never even drove on an american freeway even more dangerous.

Old people? not worried about them compared to everyone else who still can't drive.
 
2012-05-02 10:24:52 AM
I guess that's why NASCAR exists in the South, to show drivers how to make a left turn properly.
 
2012-05-02 10:26:16 AM
A very significant portion of older drivers need their license revoked. I am sympathetic to their desires for independence, but it's really getting scary out there. My town is a retirement hot-spot...
 
2012-05-02 10:27:03 AM

Crewmannumber6: thecpt: pehvbot: /hot. Like Magnum

They're not ambLiturners!

FTFY


Guiess I didn't.

/Rotsky lives!
 
2012-05-02 10:28:09 AM
Failure to yield is a huge problem. An elderly driver in a minivan killed a biker here a while back. The biker was speeding and was also dead so the city blamed it on him and lowered the speed limit.

All sorts of stupid there.

1: The biker was speeding. He still would have been speeding even with a lower speed lmiit.
2: The elderly driver was at a light with an un-protected left turn. It was his responsibility to yield the right of way regardless of any laws the biker may have been breaking.
3: I would bet good money that both biker and elderly driver actually ran the red light. (They would probably claim it was "pink" - how cute)

And since this is about left turns why the fark do some people stop at a green light when there is an oncoming car making a left turn in front of them? I see this all the time in my small town. I hardly ever saw it when I lived in large cities. It is not safe. It is not polite. I am not being an asshole when I lay on the horn when you do this. Learn to drive. Fark you.
 
2012-05-02 10:29:52 AM
www.jcs-group.com

Disagrees with your presumptions.

/I was gonna put Mark Martin, but I decided to be a little more vintage...
 
2012-05-02 10:30:08 AM

ransack.: cgraves67: They recently changed all the stoplights in our area so that they have a blinking yellow arrow to indicate when you should yield while turning left instead of a solid green light that used to indicate the same thing whereas the solid green arrow always indicates a left turn with right-of-way in both cases. I knew that my dad was getting old because the blinking yellow arrow confused him.

that would confuse me too, doesn't a solid green mean you are supposed to yield if you are turning left anyway? why do we need another symbol that means the exact same thing?


It's not another symbol, it's replacing the old way with a more explicit set of indicators. There is even a small sign next to the signal explaining it. In the old way, a solid green light indicates two different things for the straight lanes and the left turn lane. For the straight lanes, it indicates go with right-of-way. For the left turn lane, it indicates yield then turn when possible. The new pattern eliminates the solid green light for the left turn lane so that it can't be confused with the signals for the straight lanes. The blinking yellow arrow retains the function of the solid green signal.

For the left turn lane:
Old set:
red light- stop/don't go
yellow light- prepare to stop
green light- yield and turn when possible
green arrow- turn

New Set:
Red arrow- stop/no turning
blinking yellow arrow- yield and turn when possible
solid yellow arrow- prepare to stop
green arrow- turn
 
2012-05-02 10:30:34 AM
Misconduc: In florida it really doesn't matter whose driving, everyone sucks at driving. Case point: I-4 between tampa and orlando.

Between motorcycles doing far over 80mph, grandma and soccer mom doing under 70, tractor trailers doing the speed limit, barbie doing 80 while texting and guido trying to race his 5.0L Mustang vs every car.
To make matters worse, we have downtown orlando then disney land to deal with so that makes tourist who never even drove on an american freeway even more dangerous.

Old people? not worried about them compared to everyone else who still can't drive.


And torrential downpours.

Whenever taking long trips in FL, I've noticed at least 5-10 cars end up in the ditch in stop and go traffic. One time even saw a Ford 350 diesel somehow managed to roll itself.

/FL has two speeds: Stop/Go
//Unless over 65, then it's 30MPH, usually in a rolling roadblock over 3-5 lanes.
 
2012-05-02 10:31:39 AM
I've noticed most people can't make a left turn. They start it 15 feet back in the left lane, requiring a shallow radius and always come close to taking off the corner of the car waiting in the turn lane to their left.

Get out into the intersection before you start your turn, you morans!
 
2012-05-02 10:36:16 AM
blogs.cars.com

Is this Country Kitchen?

/don't want to be late for the early-bird special
 
2012-05-02 10:36:37 AM
My mum and dad have just turned 70 and are whining about how they have to take a driving test every 3 years now. My mum told me "my eyesight's not so good any more and I don't know if I'll be able to pass."

I love my mum but I had to bite my tongue until it bled so I wouldn't tell her to stay the fark off the road now in that case. I did tell her that if she couldn't pass the test in couple of years that was probably for the best.

/Coffin-dodgers don't know when to quit. You have to make them quit.
 
2012-05-02 10:37:21 AM
Traffic circles. Nothing confuses the blue hairs like the new fangled traffic circles.
 
2012-05-02 10:40:09 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just getting this out of the way: UPS Deliveries make right turns only


FTFA: "UPS plots its delivery routes to make as many right turns as possible." Not only. It isn't possible to make only right turns and never lefts.
 
2012-05-02 10:40:50 AM
Cities should ban left turns completely. Want to go left? Go one block further and make three rights.

Once people got used to it, traffic would move faster, and there'd be far fewer accidents.
 
2012-05-02 10:44:12 AM
A friend has a condo in Sarasota and once, in the space of a three mile drive we were nearly killed by three different drivers. It was the most unrelaxing vacation in history.
 
2012-05-02 10:44:53 AM

Frantic Freddie: a motorcyclist who expertly laid it down


That does not compute.
 
2012-05-02 10:46:45 AM

ransack.: cgraves67: They recently changed all the stoplights in our area so that they have a blinking yellow arrow to indicate when you should yield while turning left instead of a solid green light that used to indicate the same thing whereas the solid green arrow always indicates a left turn with right-of-way in both cases. I knew that my dad was getting old because the blinking yellow arrow confused him.

that would confuse me too, doesn't a solid green mean you are supposed to yield if you are turning left anyway? why do we need another symbol that means the exact same thing?


We just got those here & I was WTF the first time I saw it.

Also that was a terrible explanation.
The light flashes yellow when oncoming traffic has a green. If no one is coming you can go ahead & make the turn. A green arrow means oncoming traffic is stopped.
It's a way for traffic to keep moving a little when clear. The old way you just sat at a red light when the oncoming lane was clear.
 
2012-05-02 10:48:11 AM
images4.fanpop.com

Not amused.
 
2012-05-02 10:50:16 AM
geekbikerskum
Frantic Freddie: a motorcyclist who expertly laid it down

That does not compute.


How does that not compute? He laid it down to avoid smashing into the car or being run over,I was impressed with the guy's skill & reflexes.
 
2012-05-02 10:52:57 AM
My biggest gripe with FL drivers (and no, not the old retirees that moved there) are the natives that have no concept of fast & slow lanes. There are few 3-lane portions of I-75 in SW Florida, so driving over 65mph means weaving around 55mph cars in the damn fast lane.

This is worse than dumbass mid-westerners that don't seem to understand that the middle lane is not the slow lane, especially if you are towing something.
Looking at you Buckeyes & Hoosiers.
 
2012-05-02 10:56:47 AM

ransack.: cgraves67: They recently changed all the stoplights in our area so that they have a blinking yellow arrow to indicate when you should yield while turning left instead of a solid green light that used to indicate the same thing whereas the solid green arrow always indicates a left turn with right-of-way in both cases. I knew that my dad was getting old because the blinking yellow arrow confused him.

that would confuse me too, doesn't a solid green mean you are supposed to yield if you are turning left anyway? why do we need another symbol that means the exact same thing?


In my area they only added the blinking yellow arrow to intersections where previously the left-turn lane had only a green or red arrow. There had been no yield option prior. Now there is a yield option (blinking arrow), and I am grateful for it.

Areas that had originally used only a solid green light have not changed, or have had the split lights installed to add a green arrow.

Not confusing at all in Oregon. Nicer traffic flow though.
 
2012-05-02 10:57:09 AM

Subliterati: I love my mum but I had to bite my tongue until it bled so I wouldn't tell her to stay the fark off the road now in that case.


Congratulations, you've endangered people's lives because you can't hurt your mother's feelings
 
2012-05-02 10:58:28 AM
This happened to my wife. I live in Palm Beach County.

Wife was going east on yamato. She had a green and was going thru the intersection at Lyons. Woman in her 60's was going west on yamato and turning left onto lyons. Lady hit my wife pretty much head on. momentum carried my wife's minivan into a car with a couple in their 80's who were going to turn east on to yamato.

my wife t-boned them.

police cited the other woman 100%. my wife was going within 5 of the speed limit. the other lady said she had a green arrow but at that time at that instersection the arrow preceded everyone going straight. they have since changed it and there is no overlap at all. after the arrow, the turn lanes get red.

of course our wonderful insurance company said my wife was 30% at fault. the telling thing to us is that three years later, the couple my wife ended up t-boning have not sued us or our insurance company. then again...they could be dead now (they were 82 and 86).


tl:dr version...this happened to my wife in florida.

my wife has two herniated discs in her neck and three more bulging. we are about to sue the other driver.
 
2012-05-02 10:59:34 AM

bionicjoe: My biggest gripe with FL drivers (and no, not the old retirees that moved there) are the natives that have no concept of fast & slow lanes. There are few 3-lane portions of I-75 in SW Florida, so driving over 65mph means weaving around 55mph cars in the damn fast lane.

This is worse than dumbass mid-westerners that don't seem to understand that the middle lane is not the slow lane, especially if you are towing something.
Looking at you Buckeyes & Hoosiers.


That's everywhere that doesn't enforce the "left lane passing only" law. Washington State is the only place I've seen people actually get stopped and cited for cruising in the left lane. Makes me want to become a traffic cop, just so I can ticket people all day long for using the left lane as a regular lane of travel, rather than a passing-only lane.

/both Oregon and Washington law says so
//other States may vary
 
2012-05-02 11:01:55 AM
Old has nothing to do with the inability to make left hand turns. After decades of sitting in Atlanta traffic, I have come to be obssessed with the unmitigated parade of stupidity and ineptitude that is a string of six cars negotiating a typical left hand turn. The green arrow doesn't help much, even when the signals have paved the way for them, 90% of all titsies leave huge gaps between themselves and car in front. The muddle and putter through that left like its the backstretch at Daytona, abilities seemingly stretched to the limit.

I hate them all. They waste gas, waste time and endanger us all.

When a bad left turner is spotted, they should be stopped, drug by thier hair out of the window, summarially executed on the roadside while holding a sign telling other drivers of their crime, their bodies hoisted from a streetpole and burned.
 
2012-05-02 11:07:04 AM
Literally every single day during season, I read a story in my local paper about a 65+ year old driver turning left in the path of an oncoming vehicle. About a quarter of the time its a motorcyclist who ends of dead on impact.

I have dozens of stories from personal experience dealing with insane elderly drivers. One that happened recently: I was driving home from a doctor's appt. down a 30mph local road behind some white haired guy in a small convertible. Halfway down the road, nowhere near a stop sign or intersection, he comes to a sudden stop. In the middle of the road. I see him fishing around for.something, and then he pulls a cellphone out of pocket, flips it open, and starts talking. There's oncoming traffic in the other lane so I couldn't pass him, so I roll down my window, lay on the horn, and yell "Let's farking go!" He jumped like two inches in his seat, as though he had no earthly idea there was a line of traffic behind him. He then pulled off on the shoulder and continued his call.
 
2012-05-02 11:07:18 AM

bionicjoe: My biggest gripe with FL drivers (and no, not the old retirees that moved there) are the natives that have no concept of fast & slow lanes. There are few 3-lane portions of I-75 in SW Florida, so driving over 65mph means weaving around 55mph cars in the damn fast lane.

This is worse than dumbass mid-westerners that don't seem to understand that the middle lane is not the slow lane, especially if you are towing something.
Looking at you Buckeyes & Hoosiers.


Aww look at the dumbass who does not realize the middle lane is a great place to get the farking out of the way of the people merging onto the highway from the right. I'm sorry you get all butt hurt about it, maybe you should try some lube, Platinum Wet is pretty good, when you shove that stick up your ass.
 
2012-05-02 11:11:40 AM

Frantic Freddie: geekbikerskum
Frantic Freddie: a motorcyclist who expertly laid it down

That does not compute.

How does that not compute? He laid it down to avoid smashing into the car or being run over,I was impressed with the guy's skill & reflexes.


Better he should have kept it upright. Rubber has a higher coefficient of friction on asphalt than chrome and steel.

"Laying it down" means you fail at braking.
 
2012-05-02 11:12:04 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Old has nothing to do with the inability to make left hand turns. After decades of sitting in Atlanta traffic, I have come to be obssessed with the unmitigated parade of stupidity and ineptitude that is a string of six cars negotiating a typical left hand turn. The green arrow doesn't help much, even when the signals have paved the way for them, 90% of all titsies leave huge gaps between themselves and car in front. The muddle and putter through that left like its the backstretch at Daytona, abilities seemingly stretched to the limit.

I hate them all. They waste gas, waste time and endanger us all.

When a bad left turner is spotted, they should be stopped, drug by thier hair out of the window, summarially executed on the roadside while holding a sign telling other drivers of their crime, their bodies hoisted from a streetpole and burned.


Well, aren't you Mr Sunshine? But really, one cannot know the horror of driving in Atlanta unless they've driven in LA or maybe Boston. My pet peeve: the morans who gets on the freeway and insist on doing 50 in the left lane in a 65 MPH zone. These are the same morans who will pass an even slower moran by pulling into your 65 MPH lane doing 45 at point blank distance. Left turn retards are noting.
 
2012-05-02 11:14:56 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Old has nothing to do with the inability to make left hand turns. After decades of sitting in Atlanta traffic, I have come to be obssessed with the unmitigated parade of stupidity and ineptitude that is a string of six cars negotiating a typical left hand turn. The green arrow doesn't help much, even when the signals have paved the way for them, 90% of all titsies leave huge gaps between themselves and car in front. The muddle and putter through that left like its the backstretch at Daytona, abilities seemingly stretched to the limit.

I hate them all. They waste gas, waste time and endanger us all.

When a bad left turner is spotted, they should be stopped, drug by thier hair out of the window, summarially executed on the roadside while holding a sign telling other drivers of their crime, their bodies hoisted from a streetpole and burned.


Don't come to Pittsburgh. You'll probably kill someone. Not many turn lanes or leading greens here, and many people will jump the light to turn left, even if there's only one car across from them. Even has its own goddamn wiki page. A year and a half here and I'm amazed I haven't witnessed a resultant accident yet.
 
2012-05-02 11:18:29 AM
farm4.staticflickr.com
Old people can't drive.
 
2012-05-02 11:19:00 AM
It's too easy to get a Driver's License and WAY too easy to keep one.

Much like the sport of football if the automobile were just invented today it would have been lawsuited out of existence before the first tests.
 
2012-05-02 11:20:11 AM
Kuroshin: bionicjoe: My biggest gripe with FL drivers (and no, not the old retirees that moved there) are the natives that have no concept of fast & slow lanes. There are few 3-lane portions of I-75 in SW Florida, so driving over 65mph means weaving around 55mph cars in the damn fast lane.

This is worse than dumbass mid-westerners that don't seem to understand that the middle lane is not the slow lane, especially if you are towing something.
Looking at you Buckeyes & Hoosiers.

That's everywhere that doesn't enforce the "left lane passing only" law. Washington State is the only place I've seen people actually get stopped and cited for cruising in the left lane. Makes me want to become a traffic cop, just so I can ticket people all day long for using the left lane as a regular lane of travel, rather than a passing-only lane.

/both Oregon and Washington law says so
//other States may vary


Because of the number of cars on the road and infrastructure not keeping up; a lot of state quietly repealed those laws.

In MA is used to cover all state and federal roads more than one lane, but now only covers three lane highways (and even then I think it might need to be posted). 2 lane parkways like RT2 no longer have those restrictions.
 
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