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2012-05-02 08:19:41 AM
Bill "The spaceman" Lee pitched a no-hitter on LSD.
 
2012-05-02 10:04:26 AM

Jake Havechek: Bill "The spaceman" Lee pitched a no-hitter on LSD.


Try Dock Ellis.
 
2012-05-02 10:09:33 AM
"I'm not real thankful to Jackie (Robinson) at all because I'm me, my style of baseball, the way I played it in the major leagues transpired from the Negro Leagues," said Boyd, whose father played in the Negro Leagues.

This is what crack will do to you, kids.
 
2012-05-02 10:11:34 AM
Boyd told of his start on May 11, 1986, at Oakland when he smoked crack before taking the mound.

He pitched 7 innings, gave up 4 ER, 4 hits (3 for HRs), walked 2, struck out 2, and got the win.
 
2012-05-02 10:19:16 AM
There are probably worse drugs you could do before pitching in a major league baseball game. It's probably better to do crack than to take OTC cold medicine stuff. Speaking from a one-game performance perspective, of course.
 
2012-05-02 10:46:22 AM
HE HATES THESE CANS!
STAY AWAY FROM THE CANS!
 
2012-05-02 11:12:05 AM

Harv72b: "I'm not real thankful to Jackie (Robinson) at all because I'm me, my style of baseball, the way I played it in the major leagues transpired from the Negro Leagues," said Boyd, whose father played in the Negro Leagues.

This is what crack will do to you, kids.


Um, Dennis, the only reason you made any decent money during your career, the only reason you could ride in the same bus/plane or stay in the same nice hotels as your teammates, the only reason you could play for the Boston Red Sox (take breath) was because of men like Robinson & Doby & I feel dirty for putting your name in the same sentence with theirs'..

& your lack of &/or squandering your talents would've made you a forgotten footnote in the Negro Leagues, anyway.
 
2012-05-02 11:17:51 AM

SnatchMcGillicudy: Jake Havechek: Bill "The spaceman" Lee pitched a no-hitter on LSD.

Try Dock Ellis.


yes, it was not Lee - Lee just liked to be stoned all the time. Especially through the use of pancakes.
 
2012-05-02 11:23:51 AM
 
2012-05-02 11:32:36 AM
I, for one, am shocked that Oil Can Boyd was on the crack.
 
2012-05-02 11:42:35 AM
"Now the kids don't even know the ballplayers anymore, it's so commercialized. And they wonder where the black ballplayer went. Well, black ballplayers went to jail. In the last 20 years, that's where they are."

What's he talking about? Aren't there more black players now than in the 80's?

Oh, I guess not. Dang.

static8.businessinsider.com

/27% Latino; 2.3% Asian
 
2012-05-02 11:49:08 AM

skrame: "Now the kids don't even know the ballplayers anymore, it's so commercialized. And they wonder where the black ballplayer went. Well, black ballplayers went to jail. In the last 20 years, that's where they are."

What's he talking about? Aren't there more black players now than in the 80's?

Oh, I guess not. Dang.

[static8.businessinsider.com image 607x456]

/27% Latino; 2.3% Asian


They don't count the black guys that speak spanish.
 
2012-05-02 11:59:58 AM

srhp29: skrame: "Now the kids don't even know the ballplayers anymore, it's so commercialized. And they wonder where the black ballplayer went. Well, black ballplayers went to jail. In the last 20 years, that's where they are."

What's he talking about? Aren't there more black players now than in the 80's?

Oh, I guess not. Dang.

[static8.businessinsider.com image 607x456]

/27% Latino; 2.3% Asian

They don't count the black guys that speak spanish.


Bingo.
 
2012-05-02 12:07:03 PM
 
2012-05-02 12:07:39 PM

srhp29: skrame: "Now the kids don't even know the ballplayers anymore, it's so commercialized. And they wonder where the black ballplayer went. Well, black ballplayers went to jail. In the last 20 years, that's where they are."

What's he talking about? Aren't there more black players now than in the 80's?

Oh, I guess not. Dang.

[static8.businessinsider.com image 607x456]

/27% Latino; 2.3% Asian

They don't count the black guys that speak spanish.


Wait wait wait. The color of your skin, nationality, and primary language are not correlated? Who woulda thunk?

/Americans
 
2012-05-02 12:10:43 PM

skrame: "Now the kids don't even know the ballplayers anymore, it's so commercialized. And they wonder where the black ballplayer went. Well, black ballplayers went to jail. In the last 20 years, that's where they are."

What's he talking about? Aren't there more black players now than in the 80's?

Oh, I guess not. Dang.

[static8.businessinsider.com image 607x456]

/27% Latino; 2.3% Asian


I thought Latinos were white now.
 
2012-05-02 12:12:35 PM

Treygreen13: I thought Latinos were white now.


Only the ones in entertainment, professional sports, or executive positions. The ones who mow our lawns, pick our crops, or fix our cars are still Hispanic.
 
2012-05-02 12:18:22 PM

Harv72b: Treygreen13: I thought Latinos were white now.

Only the ones in entertainment, professional sports, or executive positions. The ones who mow our lawns, pick our crops, or fix our cars are still Hispanic.


Pretty soon the only people who can be non-white will be African-Americans. And Puerto-Ricans, for some reason. Why? I don't know. Just go with it.
 
2012-05-02 12:19:29 PM

PapaChester: Wait wait wait. The color of your skin, nationality, and primary language are not correlated? Who woulda thunk?


I have seen guys like Gary Sheffield complain there are not enough blacks in the game or they are being shut out. See, but he doesn't count non American Blacks. If he said "African Americans" that would be different but guess what...blacks from the island are of African decent TOO

/morons...
 
2012-05-02 12:26:10 PM
Guy who looks black:

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Name: Vladimir Alvino Guerrero
Birthplace: Don Gregorio, Nizao, Dominican Republic

Him and all the other players born in the Caribbean are not who Oil Can "Crackhead" Boyd is talking about in terms of blacks in baseball. This guy is:

www.toriihunterproject.com

There's two good reasons why blacks are underrepresented relative to their % in the population:

A lack of facilities in black neighborhoods. Here in Los Angeles, parks have been overtaken by soccer players.

More importantly, say you're a three-sport athlete, good at basketball, baseball and football. Why would you choose baseball? With hoops or Americanized rugby, you can get a college scholarship > be a pro by the time you're 22. With baseball, if you go to college, you're then looking at years in the minors; the average age of a rookie position players is something like 25 or 26. Why would a black guy want to spent years in the minors riding around in shiatty buses, in places like the south or southwest, making $800 / month or whatever the minimum is when he could be in the NBA or NFL?
 
2012-05-02 12:28:03 PM
Baseball has the same problem as boxing: black American kids are all about the NBA and NFL.
 
2012-05-02 12:34:32 PM

Henry Holland: Why would you choose baseball? With hoops or Americanized rugby, you can get a college scholarship > be a pro by the time you're 22. With baseball, if you go to college, you're then looking at years in the minors; the average age of a rookie position players is something like 25 or 26. Why would a black guy want to spent years in the minors riding around in shiatty buses, in places like the south or southwest, making $800 / month or whatever the minimum is when he could be in the NBA or NFL?


I choose it over the NFL for the guaranteed contracts and collision-free nature of the "sport."

But yeah, if there's no guarantee I'm making the majors, I go for other sports. Then again, the NCAA will let you play football even after several years of playing "pro" baseball. Then you, too, can get drafted in the first round of the NFL draft as a 28-year-old!
 
2012-05-02 12:40:36 PM

the biggest redneck here: Baseball has the same problem as boxing: black American kids are all about the NBA and NFL.


Well, in regards to boxing, they're in to MMA now. See the most recent big fight: Rashad Evans vs Jon Jones
 
2012-05-02 12:51:57 PM

Harv72b: This is what crack will do to you, kids.


Too bad he sounds like kind of a dick. I'm a fan of successful druggies because they get the War on Drugs folks all spun up.
 
2012-05-02 01:06:56 PM

Treygreen13: HE HATES THESE CANS!
STAY AWAY FROM THE CANS!


www.gsp.org
 
2012-05-02 01:16:14 PM

srhp29: PapaChester: Wait wait wait. The color of your skin, nationality, and primary language are not correlated? Who woulda thunk?

I have seen guys like Gary Sheffield complain there are not enough blacks in the game or they are being shut out. See, but he doesn't count non American Blacks. If he said "African Americans" that would be different but guess what...blacks from the island are of African decent TOO

/morons...


So to you there is no difference between an African American and a black person of Hispanic decent? Because to African Americans and black people of Hispanic decent there is. But I guess that doesn't matter because they all look the same to you.

/farking moron.
 
2012-05-02 01:17:36 PM
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Is this the Free Crack Giveaway?
 
2012-05-02 01:22:28 PM

Henry Holland: Guy who looks black:

[mlbreports.files.wordpress.com image 413x594]

Name: Vladimir Alvino Guerrero
Birthplace: Don Gregorio, Nizao, Dominican Republic

Him and all the other players born in the Caribbean are not who Oil Can "Crackhead" Boyd is talking about in terms of blacks in baseball. This guy is:

[www.toriihunterproject.com image 300x311]

There's two good reasons why blacks are underrepresented relative to their % in the population:

A lack of facilities in black neighborhoods. Here in Los Angeles, parks have been overtaken by soccer players.

More importantly, say you're a three-sport athlete, good at basketball, baseball and football. Why would you choose baseball? With hoops or Americanized rugby, you can get a college scholarship > be a pro by the time you're 22. With baseball, if you go to college, you're then looking at years in the minors; the average age of a rookie position players is something like 25 or 26. Why would a black guy want to spent years in the minors riding around in shiatty buses, in places like the south or southwest, making $800 / month or whatever the minimum is when he could be in the NBA or NFL?


They are not under represented, 8.5% of Major Leaguers are black, that makes them roughly 12% of all MLBers, which is about their ratio to the general public.
 
2012-05-02 02:09:07 PM
Henry Holland:

We know what Boyd is referring to. But he, and the media, help perpetuate a misleading characterization by saying "black". There are census forms in Latin American countries and racial designations are kept track of--mostly to track where racial discrimination exists. Vlad Guerrero is a black man. He is Afro-Hispanic, Afro-Carribean. Boyd and that idiot Garry Sheffeild mean American Blacks. They should probably say that, but MLB players are pretty dumb overall. I just dont understand why the media doesnt make the connection. Like it would be an insult to describe David Ortiz as a black man.
 
2012-05-02 02:12:29 PM

bhcompy: the biggest redneck here: Baseball has the same problem as boxing: black American kids are all about the NBA and NFL.

Well, in regards to boxing, they're in to MMA now. See the most recent big fight: Rashad Evans vs Jon Jones


Both of whom went to college for wrestling and would be no-names were it not for MMA's boom. They didn't start out as kids to be fighters.

Related to that, though, is the trend for kids to actually take up MMA as kids. It's happening now, and some of the kids that might otherwise be steered towards the NBA or NFL are learning double legs. Imagine Mike Vick fighting Anderson Silva, Kobe Bryant fighting Jon Jones, or Vernon Davis matching blows with Dos Santos. Because that's he next evolution, America's elite athletic talent walking into Jackson's MMA as middle schoolers instead of AAU gyms.
 
2012-05-02 02:14:01 PM

ongbok: srhp29: PapaChester: Wait wait wait. The color of your skin, nationality, and primary language are not correlated? Who woulda thunk?

I have seen guys like Gary Sheffield complain there are not enough blacks in the game or they are being shut out. See, but he doesn't count non American Blacks. If he said "African Americans" that would be different but guess what...blacks from the island are of African decent TOO

/morons...

So to you there is no difference between an African American and a black person of Hispanic decent? Because to African Americans and black people of Hispanic decent there is. But I guess that doesn't matter because they all look the same to you.

/farking moron.


That's funny because african americans and black people of hispanic descent are racist as hell towards each other. Like how different types of asians dislike each other. All white people view them as the same and they take the time to find reasons to hate each other.
 
2012-05-02 02:19:30 PM
Dude still moves like a crackhead.
 
2012-05-02 02:23:50 PM

elguerodiablo: ongbok: srhp29: PapaChester: Wait wait wait. The color of your skin, nationality, and primary language are not correlated? Who woulda thunk?

I have seen guys like Gary Sheffield complain there are not enough blacks in the game or they are being shut out. See, but he doesn't count non American Blacks. If he said "African Americans" that would be different but guess what...blacks from the island are of African decent TOO

/morons...

So to you there is no difference between an African American and a black person of Hispanic decent? Because to African Americans and black people of Hispanic decent there is. But I guess that doesn't matter because they all look the same to you.

/farking moron.

That's funny because african americans and black people of hispanic descent are racist as hell towards each other. Like how different types of asians dislike each other. All white people view them as the same and they take the time to find reasons to hate each other.


Not all white people view African Americans and black people of latin decent the same, just idiots like you who think all white people think the same as you.
 
2012-05-02 02:31:08 PM

Henry Holland: More importantly, say you're a three-sport athlete, good at basketball, baseball and football. Why would you choose baseball? With hoops or Americanized rugby, you can get a college scholarship > be a pro by the time you're 22. With baseball, if you go to college, you're then looking at years in the minors; the average age of a rookie position players is something like 25 or 26. Why would a black guy want to spent years in the minors riding around in shiatty buses, in places like the south or southwest, making $800 / month or whatever the minimum is when he could be in the NBA or NFL?


Being that I am not black I guess that I could never truly know, but if I were a three-sport athlete a few reasons why I might pick baseball over the NBA or NFL:

-Go pro right out of high school, unlike NFL.
-I can anticipate a longer career in a less physical sport where the odds of a catastrophic, career-ending injury are lesser.
-Larger player pool in MLB vs. NBA; higher average salary in MLB vs. NFL.
-Don't have to worry about spending my career in Green Bay or Buffalo (nothing against those cities, which I'm sure are swell, but I'm not a big fan of cold).

Admittedly, I'd be more inclined to go NBA if I had my choice of any sport & was somehow guaranteed of making it to their respective top leagues, but there are reasons to choose baseball.

Oh, and regarding lack of facilities: one of the reasons baseball took off in Caribbean and South American nations, and that there are now so many top-level baseball players from those areas, is that so little is necessary in the way of dedicated playing space or equipment. My personal guess would be as simple as that it's likely considered a bit cooler for youths, especially in inner cities, to be good at basketball than baseball.
 
2012-05-02 02:38:39 PM

the biggest redneck here: bhcompy: the biggest redneck here: Baseball has the same problem as boxing: black American kids are all about the NBA and NFL.

Well, in regards to boxing, they're in to MMA now. See the most recent big fight: Rashad Evans vs Jon Jones

Both of whom went to college for wrestling and would be no-names were it not for MMA's boom. They didn't start out as kids to be fighters.

Related to that, though, is the trend for kids to actually take up MMA as kids. It's happening now, and some of the kids that might otherwise be steered towards the NBA or NFL are learning double legs. Imagine Mike Vick fighting Anderson Silva, Kobe Bryant fighting Jon Jones, or Vernon Davis matching blows with Dos Santos. Because that's he next evolution, America's elite athletic talent walking into Jackson's MMA as middle schoolers instead of AAU gyms.


Well, many of the people on the football team at my school did both football and wrestling, as wrestling was a great way to improve your conditioning and physical skills. I did both, but I was in club wrestling as a youth. Some stuck with it because they were better and saw a better opportunity at a scholarship that way. Most of the serious kids play 2 or 3 sports, so it's not like they're just learning double legs. They're also learning how to pass block, how to field a ground ball, how to slidetackle, etc.

Realistically, the thing to remember is that baseball has never been a physique sport(where football and basketball are largely dependent on specific body types and a high degree of conditioning, same as competitive martial arts). More or less, you still get the same kinds of people in the same sports. The thing that keeps the Matt Kemps and Torii Hunters in baseball is the fact that they can hit, and while Kemp has a great physique, they're both small for basketball players(they have guard height, but forward builds) and they're too small for linebackers and too big for defensive backs, leaving running back and WR, which are short lifespan positions. Plus, you can get drafted for baseball right out of highschool, you cannot NFL or NBA, and kids know all of this, or should if they're serious about pursuing that future and their coaches are honest with them.
 
2012-05-02 02:45:01 PM

ongbok: Not all white people view African Americans and black people of latin decent the same, just idiots like you who think all white people think the same as you.


The idiots are the ignoramuses that talk about the MLB and say that "there are less blacks in the MLB because of institutional racism" or some such nonsense don't qualify their statements. There are plenty of black people in the MLB, they just aren't of US descent.
 
2012-05-02 03:36:57 PM

the biggest redneck here: Imagine Mike Vick fighting Anderson Silva


Out of curiousity, what would happened if Vick lost?
 
2012-05-02 03:52:59 PM

bhcompy: ongbok: Not all white people view African Americans and black people of latin decent the same, just idiots like you who think all white people think the same as you.

The idiots are the ignoramuses that talk about the MLB and say that "there are less blacks in the MLB because of institutional racism" or some such nonsense don't qualify their statements. There are plenty of black people in the MLB, they just aren't of US descent.


I wouldn't say it is racism but it is defiantly money. MLB teams have poured a lot of money into Latin America to develop baseball talent, but MLB only has put a tiny fraction of that money into the inner cities to promote and develop the game there with the RBI program. You know why? Because if a team opens a training facility in the DR and stock it with as much 16-18 year old talent as they can, they own the rights to those players when they come into the league. Now if a team does the same in lets say Chicago, different rules apply in the US so they can't sign players for little to no money at 16 like they can in Latin America. So the camp becomes an instructional camp and you are just fattening up a goose for somebody else because that player can be drafted by anyone once they are eligible for the draft. It would be good for the league as a whole, but not for individual teams, so you don't see teams doing this, not even in their home cities.

MLB should require each team to put a certain amount of money in a pot for the RBI program, and require teams that have training camps in foreign countries to put at least 20% of what they spend on those academys into the pot also to promote and teach the game here.
 
2012-05-02 04:06:53 PM

ongbok: MLB should require each team to put a certain amount of money in a pot for the RBI program, and require teams that have training camps in foreign countries to put at least 20% of what they spend on those academys into the pot also to promote and teach the game here.


Or how about putting 100% of the "luxury tax" collected each year into the program?
 
2012-05-02 04:32:37 PM
Yeah, apparently it wasn't uncommon to use drugs when pitching back in the day. The local paper (in San Diego) ran a piece on a pitcher from the '70s who apparently used to pitch baked virtually all the time. According to him, another pitcher would use LSD and in his own words, "I spent a game pitching to literal giants. The batters looked like they were ten feet tall."
 
2012-05-02 04:33:54 PM

Harv72b: ongbok: MLB should require each team to put a certain amount of money in a pot for the RBI program, and require teams that have training camps in foreign countries to put at least 20% of what they spend on those academys into the pot also to promote and teach the game here.

Or how about putting 100% of the "luxury tax" collected each year into the program?


if they did that, how would the tampas of MLB make payroll? cause it sure as shiat isn't off the gate.
 
2012-05-02 05:00:22 PM
bhcompy: Plus, you can get drafted for baseball right out of highschool, you cannot NFL or NBA, and kids know all of this, or should if they're serious about pursuing that future and their coaches are honest with them.

You can be one and done for the NBA, you're all of 19 if you're good enough. All those dudes from Calipari's program know this. What you miss is that it's almost unheard of for a player to go from high school to the major leagues, they have a choice of college or the minors. College = you're 21 or 22, same as hoops and NFL players.

Look at my boy Mark Trumbo for the Angels, he's typical. He was picked in the 2004 draft and here's how he spent the following six years:

2005, Orem, UT, Rookie League
2006, Cedar Rapids, IA, A ball
2007, Cedar Rapids, IA, A ball
2008, Rancho Cucamonga, A+ ball
2008, Little Rock, AR, AA ball
2009, Little Rock, AR, AA ball
2010, Salt Lake City, UT, AAA ball

If you're a talented black dude who has a pick of sports, why the hell would choose riding around on buses in places like small town Utah or Iowa and Arkansas when you could be in college > the NFL/NBA by the time someone like Trumbo is still in AA?
 
2012-05-02 05:02:49 PM

Henry Holland:
More importantly, say you're a three-sport athlete, good at basketball, baseball and football. Why would you choose baseball? With hoops or Americanized rugby, you can get a college scholarship > be a pro by the time you're 22. With baseball, if you go to college, you're then looking at years in the minors; the average age of a rookie position players is something like 25 or 26. Why would a black guy want to spent years in the minors riding around in shiatty buses, in places like the south or southwest, making $800 / month or whatever the minimum is when he could be in the NBA or NFL?


I think fewer injuries, also it's partly a numbers game. Not so much with the NFL, since there are tons of positions per team, but there's only.. 12(?) guys on each NBA roster. 30*12 = 360 people TOTAL in the league, less than half of which are starters. Odds of making it there are much slimmer than a baseball team.

Plus you get to sit around and do nothing in right field for huge stretches at a time! Stand around scratch your balls!
 
2012-05-02 05:13:59 PM
www-tc.pbs.org
Canadian/Jamaican

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African American


Black =/= African American, and vice versa.
 
2012-05-02 05:34:05 PM

Syllabic: I think fewer injuries, also it's partly a numbers game. Not so much with the NFL, since there are tons of positions per team, but there's only.. 12(?) guys on each NBA roster. 30*12 = 360 people TOTAL in the league, less than half of which are starters. Odds of making it there are much slimmer than a baseball team.


Plus you can completely discount the D league, as D League players amounting to anything in the NBA are stories, rather than the norm, unlike the MLB where 99.9999% of players start in the minors.

Henry Holland: If you're a talented black dude who has a pick of sports, why the hell would choose riding around on buses in places like small town Utah or Iowa and Arkansas when you could be in college > the NFL/NBA by the time someone like Trumbo is still in AA?


Because you're getting paid guaranteed money rather than hoping that you don't get injured AND are good enough to get drafted in a different sport. Jason Heyward got $1.7 million out of high school and made the majors by age 20. You don't get paid in college unless you're Reggie Bush or Cam Newton.

And Trumbo was never considered a top prospect. Trout is, and he probably made the major league roster permanently. He's 20.
 
2012-05-02 06:43:25 PM
That 1986 team was wierd. Oil Can was on drugs and was a good pitcher, Roger Clemens was the first pitcher to strike out 20 in a nine inning game, yet in the World Series he totally sucked and didn't even win a game. Lefty Bruce Hurst was the best Red Sox pitcher against the Mets, he won two games.
 
2012-05-03 07:07:31 AM
Out of all the drugs out there, what would be the best to worst to partake before a game?
 
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