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2012-05-02 07:10:30 AM  
Pfft what a buncha sexist shiat. :P I learned how to drive on a manual & all 3 cars I've owned have been sticks. Never owned an automatic til hubby bought his car ;) i'm still shocked at all of the people who don't know how to drive a stick.
 
2012-05-02 07:15:31 AM  
Maybe I just get stuck behind the sticks that don't have much experience or it's those people that accelerate extremely slow to save gas? I have seen experienced ones and they pull away quick but luck would have it that I don't end up near them often.

ADHD Librarian: You are an awful driver.
I hope you are already aware of this fact and are doing something about it, but if you are not then please tear up your licence and start catching the bus.


Actually I'm a safe driver, no speeding tickets, never caused a wreck, and I've only been in 1 because a big ass truck "dropped his work tools down in the driver floorboard so he reached down to pick them up"... Rear ended me at a red light with him going 45 mph (that hurt like hell for a couple weeks)

Mercury Lemonade: Yeah, hmm... have you tried not tailgating?


I have to to ride my brakes to keep my distance or else I will end up right on their bumper when I coast. I don't know what the hell is wrong with some of these drivers. The main car I use for driving around town is a 96 Geo Tracker. It doesn't accelerate fast and letting off the gas to coast will drop my speed 5 MPH almost instantly.

filter: Usual experience? Were you driving in India behind an old bus?


Nope Sedalia, Missouri. The highway that leads through town varies from 35 MPH - 45 MPH depending on the section. There is ample distance to drive at the speed limit and make it through 8/10 lights East/Westbound lights in town on the main drag because of the way the lights are timed but if you get stuck behind these people, you will end up just getting up to the speed limit shortly before the next light in town turns red and you will get stuck at 7/10 lights...it turns a 5 min trip across town into just under 20 mins
 
2012-05-02 07:15:38 AM  
So what I'm taking away from this thread is that not only are a lot of you Jeep-driving douchebags, but you're also manual-fellating hipsters.
 
2012-05-02 07:16:19 AM  

Gleeman: So does this put manual drivers in the same club as those who think analog audio is better than digital?


No, Mr. Strawman, we can actually separate two different topics with different subject and behavioral scopes in our brains.
 
2012-05-02 07:16:26 AM  
As someone that averaged 100 miles a day on a 5 speed, I fart in your general direction. I'll never willfully go back to an automatic.
 
2012-05-02 07:17:18 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ecmoRandomNumbers: If you can't drive a manual transmission, you don't know how to drive, IMO.

QFT

/and might I add, who the f*ck would buy a Jeep Wrangler with an auto?
//Jeep herder, manual trans


Take it out of the mall parking lot and you'll find out why pretty fast. They don't sell hand throttles for nothing.

I love my focus w/manual trans. It's really fun to drive. It's the only way to own a 4cyl.
 
2012-05-02 07:17:41 AM  

Gleeman: So does this put manual drivers in the same club as those who think analog audio is better than digital?


Probably not. While personal preference plays a role here, the different transmission types each have functions they perform better than others. Matching the transmission with the type of usage will result in the best overall experience. OTOH, analog music lovers will deny science, blind studies, and all other forms of proof to show that they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

/Except for women drivers.
//And I use the term driver there very loosely.
 
2012-05-02 07:17:50 AM  
I'm glad to see the resurgence of the mighty manual transmission!

I've owned 6 cars so far in my life and all but one have been manual.
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Celica
VW GTI
Audi S4

Currently : 2011 Subaru STi / 2009 Honda CR-V ( wifes )

Anyone that thinks cars with manual transmissions are slow needs to get behind me at a light. There is nothing more boring than driving some point and shoot automatic transmission equipped car, Takes all of the involvement out of the drive.
 
2012-05-02 07:19:09 AM  

Nidabriz: Pfft what a buncha sexist shiat. :P I learned how to drive on a manual & all 3 cars I've owned have been sticks. Never owned an automatic til hubby bought his car ;) i'm still shocked at all of the people who don't know how to drive a stick.


Given that, as of Nov '10, "6.7% Of Vehicles Sold in U.S. Have Manual Transmissions" - down from 7.7% in 2007 and 22.4% in 1985 - I am not sure why you should at all be surprised. That's like being surprised that "No one really speaks Latin any more".
 
2012-05-02 07:20:08 AM  

Tenatra:
I have to to ride my brakes to keep my distance or else I will end up right on their bumper when I coast.


We just downshift and reset cruise control. No braking needed.

Oh noes! I had to think and react without having to tailgate!
 
2012-05-02 07:22:07 AM  

Gramma: It was actually easier to learn to drive it without someone looking like I was murdering his best friend everytime I ground the gears.


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2012-05-02 07:22:24 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Nidabriz: Pfft what a buncha sexist shiat. :P I learned how to drive on a manual & all 3 cars I've owned have been sticks. Never owned an automatic til hubby bought his car ;) i'm still shocked at all of the people who don't know how to drive a stick.

Given that, as of Nov '10, "6.7% Of Vehicles Sold in U.S. Have Manual Transmissions" - down from 7.7% in 2007 and 22.4% in 1985 - I am not sure why you should at all be surprised. That's like being surprised that "No one really speaks Latin any more".


And conversely, disengaged, inattentive driving has skyrocketed int the same time period.
 
2012-05-02 07:23:44 AM  

ronaprhys: May I assume you do nothing but sit in a cone of silence and concentrate on the road


Nope. But you can assume that I'm neither arrogant enough nor enough of a self-important prick to text whilst driving.
 
2012-05-02 07:31:30 AM  

lohphat: ArcadianRefugee: Nidabriz: Pfft what a buncha sexist shiat. :P I learned how to drive on a manual & all 3 cars I've owned have been sticks. Never owned an automatic til hubby bought his car ;) i'm still shocked at all of the people who don't know how to drive a stick.

Given that, as of Nov '10, "6.7% Of Vehicles Sold in U.S. Have Manual Transmissions" - down from 7.7% in 2007 and 22.4% in 1985 - I am not sure why you should at all be surprised. That's like being surprised that "No one really speaks Latin any more".

And conversely, disengaged, inattentive driving has skyrocketed int the same time period.


The entire "manual better" argument is like an absurd No True Scotsman fallacy, with the "True Scotsman" making up a tiny minority of the whole.

Are you against ABS, because no one "really knows how to use brakes unless they know how to use non-ABS"? What about airbags? "No one really knows how to survive a crash unless they don't use those wimpy airbags!"

We could keep stripping tech off of cars, until we're left with the crap they sold way back when. Would that you make you all happy? Have fun getting 8 MPG and dying if you hit a wooden fence at 25 MPH that you couldn't avoid because your brakes locked up.
 
2012-05-02 07:34:44 AM  

Pert: ronaprhys: May I assume you do nothing but sit in a cone of silence and concentrate on the road

Nope. But you can assume that I'm neither arrogant enough nor enough of a self-important prick to text whilst driving.


Then you're no different than I am. Do try to keep up, though.
 
2012-05-02 07:35:04 AM  
Americans are re-discovering manual transmissions in cars. Women apparently not asked about this

TIFIFY. Europeans tend to not drive automatics.
 
2012-05-02 07:36:30 AM  

dumbobruni: traction control....


I will assume that was directed at me.... and if you re-read what I wrote, I stated 'relatively little value.' It is a cost-benefit sort of thing.

I had an old 60s car I was fixing up--- with cheater slicks on it, and never drove off the road. Of course disc brakes were a nice tech upgrade to the 4-wheel drums that thing originally had.

Using a set of studded tires will provide much more immediate benefit at a much lower cost around here, than traction control. My gripe is that it just doesn't work that well, and it is expensive as all hell. It is integrated with the ABS and the speedometer, and if anything fails, it costs a fortune to repair (and these things almost make the car undriveable when the are not operating properly).
 
2012-05-02 07:41:59 AM  

Sid_6.7: lohphat: ArcadianRefugee: Nidabriz: Pfft what a buncha sexist shiat. :P I learned how to drive on a manual & all 3 cars I've owned have been sticks. Never owned an automatic til hubby bought his car ;) i'm still shocked at all of the people who don't know how to drive a stick.

Given that, as of Nov '10, "6.7% Of Vehicles Sold in U.S. Have Manual Transmissions" - down from 7.7% in 2007 and 22.4% in 1985 - I am not sure why you should at all be surprised. That's like being surprised that "No one really speaks Latin any more".

And conversely, disengaged, inattentive driving has skyrocketed int the same time period.

The entire "manual better" argument is like an absurd No True Scotsman fallacy, with the "True Scotsman" making up a tiny minority of the whole.

Are you against ABS, because no one "really knows how to use brakes unless they know how to use non-ABS"? What about airbags? "No one really knows how to survive a crash unless they don't use those wimpy airbags!"

We could keep stripping tech off of cars, until we're left with the crap they sold way back when. Would that you make you all happy? Have fun getting 8 MPG and dying if you hit a wooden fence at 25 MPH that you couldn't avoid because your brakes locked up.


Well Mr. Strawman, since you feel that because it's newer it's better, you subsist on HFCS and hydrogenated oils. Because they must be better than the old solutions.

The reason automatic transmissions were invented was for low skilled drivers. Otherwise they add weight, result in lower mileage, are more expensive to repair/replace, and insert another feedback barrier to gauge the performance of the vehicle. So no, I do not consider it a technical improvement but a boondoggle to attract underskilled customers.
 
2012-05-02 07:43:51 AM  
I had to drive a few hundred miles to find a Mazda 3 in manual. I figured that it might be my last chance to own one with all the electric motors being talked about. It is fun on the curvy roads around here.

In Austin, I live around a ton of hills (its true), using my mind as to which gear I want to tackle some of them with is why I prefer driving stick. I also live around a ton of traffic. If I want to I can pop the car into neutral to avoid having to hold down the clutch if traffic is standing still. I can't stand automatics creeping forward on their own and I've definitely been rear ended (giggle) by some chicks not holding down the brake at a light.

When I start up a hill or from a light I'm the absolute fastest car on the road and that is in spite of having 4 cylinders. Nothing is herky jerky about the way I shift and I'm utilizing all of the torque I want. This notion of the computer being better is not my experience. I know that newer automatics have more gears than they used to but I think it is still 4 and the torque converter in automatics is designed to slip. If I want to I can stay in 1st or 2nd longer and approach the max RPM. I don't care if you have some great car with lots of "pick up" my shiatty Honda Civic or Mazda 3 will initially rabbit start faster. Its my gasoline damn it.
 
2012-05-02 07:44:23 AM  

m3h: AbbeySomeone: I live in Seattle and we got us some major hills. Automatic is easier.

You lost me. The car works the same way. Put it in gear, engage clutch slowly while applying gas. Hell, if you're going downhill, you don't even need the gas to get it going. The car really doesn't care if you're on a hill or in a hole. You can either drive stick, or you cannot.

/sounds like you cannot


You went a long way to explain how you are wrong.

Automatic is easier to drive. Why the fark would you even try to debate that point?
 
2012-05-02 07:46:01 AM  
The main reason I got a manual on my pickup truck is because my wife doesn't know how to drive one. When I bought my car it was such a pain to get it that I didn't bother.
 
2012-05-02 07:46:52 AM  
Oh yeah... Let us not forget about snow. Automatic cars getting out of a parking spot that is heavy wet snow and ice? Good luck. I can rock the car back and forth.

Total control of the car.
 
2012-05-02 07:47:32 AM  

bbfreak: Americans are re-discovering manual transmissions in cars. Women apparently not asked about this

TIFIFY. Europeans tend to not drive automatics.


They tend to drive automatics. There may be fewer, but the automatic to manual ratio is increasing there too.
 
2012-05-02 07:47:42 AM  

cedarpark: But how the hell are you supposed to drink coffee while on the phone, put on mascara and steer AND SHIFT at the same time?


It's so much easier then you make it sound
 
2012-05-02 07:51:41 AM  

unlikely: I have never owned a car with an automatic transmission. It doesn't feel like I'm in control of the car with those things.


Exactly. People with manuals drive. People with automatics just steer.

I've driven more than enough slushboxes (most of them company cars, but I did once own one, briefly) to know how much I dislike them. I hate having something make decisions for me and making bad decisions. Cars don't have eyes to see the road ahead. Plus I can repair a manual myself if need be; I'm not even gonna touch that mass of weird hydraulics in an automatic.

/drives a stick
//every car but one has been manual
///woman
 
2012-05-02 07:51:46 AM  

Pert: According to a stat I just found on the internet (so may not be true) 84% of cars in the UK have manual transmission.

I'm in my thirties and have never owned an automatic and my parents only ever owned one automatic.

Nearly all drivers in the UK can drive manual/stick shift.

/guessing it's the nationality rather than the sex of the driver that relates to the competence.


In the UK if you do not pass your test in a manual you are not granted a full driving license, you are granted an automatic-only licnese and it is illegal for you to then drive a manual.
 
2012-05-02 07:52:02 AM  
Had 5 cars. The last 3 have been stick.
94 Mustang, 05 Subaru WRX, 05 Acura RSX-S.

I much prefer stick. It also has the added benifit of being 1000-2000 cheaper than the same model in automatic.

That being said, if I ever had to drive in gridlock (such as D.C.) in a manual, I'd probably shoot someone.
 
2012-05-02 07:52:12 AM  
"I see no reason to row myself across town." - Graham Hill, explaining why his personal Jag was an automatic.

I drive stick a lot, all the trucks on the farm are sticks, not to mention the tractors. Plus I have an antique Triumph I get out of the barn most weekends.

But daily driving in traffic? Automatic all the way. Leaves one hand free to give the finger to lane-hoppers.
 
2012-05-02 07:52:56 AM  
I used to drive stick drunk, on the phone, with a coffee, getting a BJ.
 
2012-05-02 07:56:56 AM  
I prefer them, but it's difficult to find a manual. I also want to be able to have other people drive my drunk ass home if needed. So I compromised and got a Sonata that has the auto manual ability. It's close enough for me.
 
2012-05-02 07:57:44 AM  
I've worn 3" heels while shifting......jus' sayin'
 
2012-05-02 07:58:25 AM  

remotecody: Oh yeah... Let us not forget about snow. Automatic cars getting out of a parking spot that is heavy wet snow and ice? Good luck. I can rock the car back and forth.

Total control of the car.


It's easy to rock an auto side to side out of a snowy parking spot, I had to do it many times in AK. The fun one was watching people that don't know how to drive in snow try to get up the steep hill on the way to my squadron. They'd make it almost half way before their tires started to slip, what was their first reaction? MOAR POWER!!! It turned the whole road into a sheet of ice with them slipping back down the hill but still trying to give it gas to go up. All you had to do was go into the shoulder area and rock your car side to side to inch your way up
 
2012-05-02 07:58:56 AM  
I haven't driven a stick in over a decade, however I find myself still trying to push in the clutch to start a car sometimes.

Subconscious, got to love it.
 
2012-05-02 07:59:08 AM  
I hate automatics. Manual gives the driver more control and keeps you alert about driving conditions. Especially in a traffic jam.
Everyone should know how to drive a manual shift.
 
2012-05-02 07:59:12 AM  
Man, the hipster douchiness is strong in this thread.
 
2012-05-02 07:59:16 AM  
fark that. Drove a manual for 17 years in fairly heavily congested areas. They have their place, but bumper-to-bumper sucks.
 
2012-05-02 07:59:27 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ecmoRandomNumbers: If you can't drive a manual transmission, you don't know how to drive, IMO.

QFT

/and might I add, who the f*ck would buy a Jeep Wrangler with an auto?
//Jeep herder, manual trans


The same person that buys one with remote entry and power windows.
 
2012-05-02 07:59:41 AM  

Bucky Katt: TommyymmoT: They're a good car jacking deterrent.

I laugh my ass off every time (about 2x per month) I hear about some scumbag car jacker who has to leave the car there, because they can't figure out how to get the damn thing to move.

My last car had a stick and only the old guy at the dealership could drive it. The kid in the service department didn't know how. My current car has an automatic transmission (the model doesn't have the manual option) and sometimes it feels like I'm cheating

rolling out of control. FIFY
 
2012-05-02 08:01:53 AM  

KrispyKritter: if you live in an area where there is real winter weather you've seen plenty of Jeeps spun out, buried in snow drifts and smashed up because the owners don't have enough common sense to drive slowly and with care.


I lived in a snowy area for years, and the percentage of SUVs in ditches far exceeded their percentage among vehicles every time we got a good snowstorm. As in, nearly every vehicle off the road was a SUV of some sort. People who can't drive can't drive, but a 4WD, ABS, automatic SUV (Jeep or otherwise) can help hide that from them until it all hits the fan (or the snowflakes hit the road)
 
2012-05-02 08:02:39 AM  
Would manual transmissions be the cure for distracted driving, I wonder? Or would they clog up the roads with cars that stall when people text instead of shifting?
 
2012-05-02 08:03:56 AM  
My mom forced me to learn to DRIVE with a manual car, so girls would think its hot. She said guys with automatics are gay.

/ya rly
 
2012-05-02 08:04:36 AM  
People are severely overusing the word hipster. It has gotten so broad that it basically is reduced to meaning young people without business casual attire.

It's easy to rock an auto side to side out of a snowy parking spot

You can rock forward, not backward. You are missing the extra kick to get you out of the parking spot many times.
 
2012-05-02 08:06:47 AM  
Learned on a manual and always will have a manual car.
 
2012-05-02 08:08:10 AM  

kim jong-un: m3h: AbbeySomeone: I live in Seattle and we got us some major hills. Automatic is easier.

You lost me. The car works the same way. Put it in gear, engage clutch slowly while applying gas. Hell, if you're going downhill, you don't even need the gas to get it going. The car really doesn't care if you're on a hill or in a hole. You can either drive stick, or you cannot.

/sounds like you cannot

You went a long way to explain how you are wrong.

Automatic is easier to drive. Why the fark would you even try to debate that point?



Automatics are easier to aim. There's no driving involved. Please stop calling
it that.

(Not dragging up a tired comparison, like some in the thread, but it reminds me of an old
joke in IT - "I program in COBOL." "That's not programming; that's typing.")
 
2012-05-02 08:08:17 AM  
Automatic transmissions have surpassed the Manual Transmission as far as performance and maintenance... there is a reason there is progress. I can drive manual, doesn't mean I choose to. My current car is a 470 horsepower beast with an AutoStick. I can shift it into gears manually if I wanted to, but guess what? In stop and go traffic, it's extremely annoying... I'd rather feel up my wife while I drive than sit there and shift between gears at every 10 feet. You get smoother and faster shifts into gear with the AutoStick... don't get me wrong, I completely understand that manual "could" be more fun to drive, but at this point in technology, the AutoStick is much more advanced. Also, if you were a strip racer, you get faster performance out of the AutoStick.
 
2012-05-02 08:08:30 AM  
Took the car in for new tires. The manager gave the key to the kid to drive it into the shop. He comes back a bit later saying he can't drive it and none of the other guys can either. As the manager and I are snickerring, he mentions to give me the keys while the kid says the rules don't let customers drive into the shop. The manager points out that the rules also say they are only to hire people who can operate cars.
 
2012-05-02 08:08:41 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: fark right off with that sexist shiat, subby. I learned to drive a manual while pregnant.

/that sounds like quite the euphemism


And I had my oil changed where a woman worked! She got in my car to drive it into the bay and jumped out cursing because she couldn't drive a stick.

Anecdotes are great to extrapolate from.
 
2012-05-02 08:08:53 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: If you can't drive a manual transmission, you don't know how to drive, IMO.


Truth, and I sincerely hope this report is right.

I LOVE MANUAL, I learned on an automatic, spent a year driving automatic, and then learned Manual. If I have any say in it, I'll never drive auto again. I am so glad to hear this trend is coming back.
 
2012-05-02 08:08:58 AM  
They talk about the milennials growing up while automatics are dominant, but I actually think that helps. Myself, a pretty significant group of my friends, my brother and my gf all know how to AND prefer to drive manuals. I think it's kind of cool to do now, since it sets you apart. I think among my generation, being able to drive a manual is the mark of a connoisseur....it is the thing that separates those who look at cars as appliances to take them from point A to point B, and those who genuinely understand and love cars. Also, higher gas prices don't hurt, since you still typically get more mileage with the stick, and on most cars, the manual version is still cheaper---my generation is learning to be thrifty, especially when it comes to fuel and driving.
 
2012-05-02 08:12:35 AM  
Both of my newer cars are manual. I got them used and cheap cause no one wanted them. They sat on the lot till I showed up.

My eldest daughter will only drive a manual and my younger daughter is planning on learning this summer.
 
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