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2012-05-02 04:12:46 AM

RoyBatty: AlwaysRightBoy: My first manual was a 67 Beetle, (bought for a couple of hundred in 1976) and learned early on that they start on hills without a good battery. Bought 3 more Beetles and a Scirocco that were all manual. Protip: Live on a hill.

/trading in manual 96 Civic for a new manual
//haven't decided what I deserve yet

Once drove all over Cozumel in a chopped beetle convertible with a dead battery. Taught my wife (ex) how to pop start a clutch. Then push started that car about a dozen times going from beach bar to beach bar. Made it to the airport on time.

But my used '72 Ford Capri. I could reliably pop start that beauty rolling backward down the last 3 feet of a driveway before it hits the street.


After Hurricane Charley hit in 2004 and we were without power, I'd take the battery out of my Neon and plug it into an UPS overnight long enough to run a box fan so we could sleep. By morning, the battery was dead so Id put it back in the car and reverse pop start it in the 15 feet of sloped driveway and let it charge.

Only thing that made the nights bearable till we got power back.
 
2012-05-02 04:13:37 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I understand the "cool-ness" of being able to... and driving a stick. Ride a motorcycle... couldn't imagine it being an automatic... ewwww....

But... the question I have is... for a daily driver (especially if you're unlucky enough to commute on a crowded highway) why the FARK would you WANT/PREFER a stick?


Well, saving your brakes and/or adding extra stopping power to your brakes in an emergency, especially when driving downhill. Mine are 150,000 miles and like new, despite horrible, ever-shifting commutes around the state. But paddle-shifting when necessary and letting the computer handle the drudgery the rest of the time is pretty much perfect for me. If I didn't so loathe doing any kind of routine maintenance other than gas and annual oil changes, I would probably not even bother. The 3/L on a sedan is an abomination and full of unexpected surprises, though.

I've seen automatic motorcycles, but they're behemoths like the VFR1200.
 
2012-05-02 04:13:52 AM
I'm close to 250,000 miles on sticks. I won't buy anything else.

When I got my current wheels ('07 Scion tC Spec) I told the salesman that I was buying this model, intended to buy it from him, and that the dealbreaker was that it HAD to be a 5-speed.

It took them about three days to find a manual, but they did, and I bought it just like I promised to. Great car. It's closing in on 100k and I've only had to replace the tires and wiper blades. I'd like to get at least 250k from it.

Aside from enjoying a clutch, they're inexpensive to fix. $500, a weekend, a friend, and a case of beer will get another six figures of use.

My cousin bought a Mercedes. He spent $3,000 on a supplemental warranty because a replacement slushbox is $14,000 to replace. Fark everything about that.
 
2012-05-02 04:16:48 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I understand the "cool-ness" of being able to... and driving a stick. Ride a motorcycle... couldn't imagine it being an automatic... ewwww....

But... the question I have is... for a daily driver (especially if you're unlucky enough to commute on a crowded highway) why the FARK would you WANT/PREFER a stick?


People who live in towns with a lot of steep hills (hello, Seattle and SF!) get a pass. People with headache-inducing stop-and-go freeway commutes get a pass.

/actually, I don't have anything against people who prefer auto - I just don't understand them
 
2012-05-02 04:19:07 AM
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2012-05-02 04:20:07 AM

TwistedFark: Mostly it's just typical posturing.


Mostly, it's because some people like to do more than steer, and some people like to save money on brakes and tires, and because some people like to have more control over the gear change and more control with acceleration, and more control downhill and let's not forget the little handy fact you can clutch start a manual if your battery dies.

you can call it posturing if you want
 
2012-05-02 04:21:29 AM

Bucky Katt: TommyymmoT: They're a good car jacking deterrent.

I laugh my ass off every time (about 2x per month) I hear about some scumbag car jacker who has to leave the car there, because they can't figure out how to get the damn thing to move.

My last car had a stick and only the old guy at the dealership could drive it. The kid in the service department didn't know how. My current car has an automatic transmission (the model doesn't have the manual option) and sometimes it feels like I'm cheating.


See, I don't get that. You get paid to sell cars, no matter how soul-sucking your job is have the common decency to do it well. When I was utterly confused about why my aunt's car stalled out every time I put it in first, all I needed was for my uncle to come over and tell me to give it some gas while I let the clutch out. I figured it out from there. It's not exactly rocket science, even if you look hilarious trying the first few days.

/Then again, I live to prove I can beat challenges, so this may not apply to anyone who works in a car dealership.
 
2012-05-02 04:23:51 AM
I miss the engine braking most of all.

/Replaced a Ford manual with a v6 AWD automatic after I got a kid... they didn't make AWD in manual as far as I could see, and Jeep didn't have enough of a deal for me to consider 'em.
 
2012-05-02 04:26:13 AM
I don't have a car, just a motorcycle, and I love the extra control that comes with gears, versus the scooters that everyone drives here.
 
2012-05-02 04:30:10 AM

DarkVader: Given how good computer control and dual-clutch automatic gearboxes are, there's no reason for manual transmissions to be built anymore. The computer is better at shifting than you are. Really. And the dual-clutch boxes don't have the lossy torque converters, so gas mileage/power to wheels is actually better than a stick. You CAN'T shift as fast as the computer. You CAN'T shift as smoothly as the computer. And you are NOT more in control of the car. The limitations of the stick mean that the car is more in control of you.

/Yes, I can drive a stick just fine, thanks.
//And yes, a stick is in many ways better than a hydraulic slushbox.


This is sadly true. As much as we want to believe that manual transmissions keep us "closer to the road," there's no reason for them to keep being built. A computer-controlled automatic can be built to be more efficient than a human-controlled one. As long as it's able to differentiate street and freeway driving, a human being just isn't good enough. Formula 1 has known this for many years.
 
2012-05-02 04:31:08 AM

L.D. Ablo: I'm close to 250,000 miles on sticks. I won't buy anything else.

When I got my current wheels ('07 Scion tC Spec) I told the salesman that I was buying this model, intended to buy it from him, and that the dealbreaker was that it HAD to be a 5-speed.

It took them about three days to find a manual, but they did, and I bought it just like I promised to. Great car. It's closing in on 100k and I've only had to replace the tires and wiper blades. I'd like to get at least 250k from it.

Aside from enjoying a clutch, they're inexpensive to fix. $500, a weekend, a friend, and a case of beer will get another six figures of use.

My cousin bought a Mercedes. He spent $3,000 on a supplemental warranty because a replacement slushbox is $14,000 to replace. Fark everything about that.


yes, we should avoid all automatic cars altogether because your cousin had an unreliable Mercedes.

how much are the followup service bills after your drunken DIY repairs?
 
2012-05-02 04:31:13 AM
Two manuals in the driveway right now. A WRX for the winter driving and the GTO for the summer. Fortunately my commute goes away from the gridlock, so all I have is open interstate and a quiet two lane highway with a few twisty bits to keep me entertained to and from work.

/The only vehicle with an auto I'd think of buying is a full size truck to tow with.
 
2012-05-02 04:31:35 AM
"The best we can hope for is to teach those willing to learn and hope to keep the manual tranny around as long as possible."

Best line from any article ever linked to on Fark.
 
2012-05-02 04:32:37 AM
I didn't even drive a manual during my 8 years in the Army. The 5 ton trucks we had were automatics.
 
2012-05-02 04:34:39 AM
I hadn't owned an automatic until my current car, and I only bought an automatic because I was married to a non-stick woman when I bought this one.

/Going back to sticks as soon as this car is over the hill.
 
2012-05-02 04:36:32 AM

DarkVader: Given how good computer control and dual-clutch automatic gearboxes are, there's no reason for manual transmissions to be built anymore. The computer is better at shifting than you are. Really. And the dual-clutch boxes don't have the lossy torque converters, so gas mileage/power to wheels is actually better than a stick. You CAN'T shift as fast as the computer. You CAN'T shift as smoothly as the computer. And you are NOT more in control of the car. The limitations of the stick mean that the car is more in control of you.

/Yes, I can drive a stick just fine, thanks.
//And yes, a stick is in many ways better than a hydraulic slushbox.


CVT has rendered manual completely obsolete, other that the added weight and complexity (which are not negligible, but a worthwhile tradeoff). At any speed you can now ask the computer to rev up if you need to slow down more quickly or speed up in a hurry. The only problem right now is in the interfaces: The only cars with CVT either have no control at all over the RPM, or a stupid pseudo-gearing. You should have a tach throttle that you can pull back to continuously change the gear ratio until it's where you want it. THAT is control. Fiddling with gears is just liking what you grew up with.

Then again, electric cars might make all of this obsolete before manufacturers figure out how to make an interface.
 
2012-05-02 04:37:42 AM
Met my wife when living in the US--- found it a real turn-on that she knew her way around a stick.... more women should pay attention to really knowing how to drive....

now.....living in Europe- really getting a kick out of this. You can't find rentals anywhere around here with automatics. Automatics are for the old and feeble. I feel like I am driving a golf cart when I visit the US and get a rental--- which apparently are impossible to get in manual in the US.

Regarding hills, they are plentiful here. It doesn't take that much skill to drive a manual up hill. If you are really in a bind, use the handbrake like a foot brake when starting up a very steep hill.

My biggest concern is all the eco/green cars that are moving toward automatics with the thinking that a computer can give you better gas "mileage" than your own judgment. Green tech will suck all remaining enjoyment out of driving.

/love rear wheel drive, manual transmission driving.... German cars, blah, blah, blah......
 
2012-05-02 04:37:52 AM
Just bought a manual a month ago. Had the guy at the Honda dealership give me shiat because I wasn't interested in a single car on his lot if it didn't have a stick, didn't care about price. He asked why that was my sticking point. Told him I'd have the car long after I finished paying it off so for me actually enjoying the car was much more important than what I paid.

Got a Ford.
 
2012-05-02 04:40:13 AM
Stick shift drivers are almost my most hated thing on the road

Usual experience -

At a red light waiting for it to change
Green light
Accelerate
oh the guy in front of me accelerates extremely slow so I ride my brake/coast. He shifts
we start getting up to a decent speed (10-15 mph under the farking speed limit) and he shifts. I brake
A little way down the road he shifts and I have to ride my brakes again
We speed up, he shifts, I brake...


/I have had the privilege of driving stick once.
//Friend bought an old 4Runner from the city auction but didn't have his license
///I had to drive the damn thing across the city in rush hour traffic (woohoo somehow managed not to stall it)
 
2012-05-02 04:40:34 AM

FlashHarry: i had to order mine and have it shipped. there wasn't a single manual in the country.


I had to order mine from Alberta, I live in British Columbia, because all they had were autos as well. It was well worth the wait!


Also, I'm a woman, only ever owned manuals.
 
2012-05-02 04:40:39 AM
Four clutches in six months.

First car, age 16, 1992.

/ Don't ask for details.
 
2012-05-02 04:41:46 AM

Nogale: Four clutches in six months.

First car, age 16, 1992.

/ Don't ask for details.


What.the.Fark?
 
2012-05-02 04:46:35 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Pray 4 Mojo: I understand the "cool-ness" of being able to... and driving a stick. Ride a motorcycle... couldn't imagine it being an automatic... ewwww....

But... the question I have is... for a daily driver (especially if you're unlucky enough to commute on a crowded highway) why the FARK would you WANT/PREFER a stick?

People who live in towns with a lot of steep hills (hello, Seattle and SF!) get a pass. People with headache-inducing stop-and-go freeway commutes get a pass.

/actually, I don't have anything against people who prefer auto - I just don't understand them


Well at least we get a pass...

I got my motorcycle... with the clutch... and the land yacht with the automatic. If I bought a smaller/fun/sporty/road trip/weekend car... it would probably be a stick. That said... No FARKING way I'd have one just to shuttle me up and down the freeway... even if that was my sole means of conveyance. It's simple convenience. And in the last 4,378 times I drove to a jobsite... I don''t ever remember thinking... I sure wish I could downshift right now!

Technology is neat... ya'll should try it.
 
2012-05-02 04:51:54 AM
US people are re-discovering manual transmissions in cars. Women apparently not asked about this

There we go. What submitter meant.
 
2012-05-02 04:52:51 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If you can't drive a manual transmission, you don't know how to drive, IMO.


Because pointing a car in a direction while making it go faster/slow down isn't driving, its all about how if you the human changes gears or if the car does it itself. Gotcha.
 
2012-05-02 04:57:05 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: I understand the "cool-ness" of being able to... and driving a stick. Ride a motorcycle... couldn't imagine it being an automatic... ewwww....

But... the question I have is... for a daily driver (especially if you're unlucky enough to commute on a crowded highway) why the FARK would you WANT/PREFER a stick?


Because they are still a million times more fun then driving a automatic. The thrill of passing others while redlining the car then throwing it into 2nd is just.................fun! You learn how to drive with a auto, you learn how to have fun driving with a stick.

/Driving stick since 2001, will never own a automatic.
//Almost crashed my car twice today (In a single city block)
///Stick + offensive driving saved my ass.
 
2012-05-02 04:57:20 AM

SnarfVader: The_Sponge: kmmontandon: The_Sponge: IMHO, Wranglers should only be manufactured with manual transmissions.

And never sold to college girls, who try to drive them like sports cars.


And anyone who puts those ultra flashy rims on them will be shot on sight.

And bring back the straight six.


"Blue-Flame six". UGH.

Ueber-example of pitiful murken under-engineering.
 
2012-05-02 04:59:10 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If you can't drive a manual transmission, you don't know how to drive, IMO.


If your car doesn't have a spark advance lever it's not really a car, IMO.
 
2012-05-02 04:59:43 AM

SnarfVader: The_Sponge: kmmontandon: The_Sponge: IMHO, Wranglers should only be manufactured with manual transmissions.

And never sold to college girls, who try to drive them like sports cars.


And anyone who puts those ultra flashy rims on them will be shot on sight.

And bring back the straight six.


Serious question: Aside from simplicity, what was better about the 4.0 I6 than the new-ish 3.8 V6? It's more powerful, more torquey, and weighs less, though I don't know anything about its longevity. Is it easier to work on? I'm sure they could have VVT'd or turbo'd the I6, but I doubt it would be stupidly better that before. (Though I have no idea why Chrysler swapped a 20-year-old engine with a 17-year-old one, that one's a bit baffling. Tons of new engines exceed its power with half the weight and displacement now.)
 
2012-05-02 05:00:47 AM
Waaaaaaaaaahhh I live where there are hills....waaaaaaaaaaahhh why would you wanna drive a stick in traffic....what a bunch of pansies the car buying public has turned into. Missing out on a lot of stick-shifting joy too.

Somehow, It's gotta be obamas fault that no one can drive a manual anymore.
 
2012-05-02 05:02:42 AM

DarkVader: Given how good computer control and dual-clutch automatic gearboxes are, there's no reason for manual transmissions to be built anymore. The computer is better at shifting than you are. Really. And the dual-clutch boxes don't have the lossy torque converters, so gas mileage/power to wheels is actually better than a stick. You CAN'T shift as fast as the computer. You CAN'T shift as smoothly as the computer. And you are NOT more in control of the car. The limitations of the stick mean that the car is more in control of you.

/Yes, I can drive a stick just fine, thanks.
//And yes, a stick is in many ways better than a hydraulic slushbox.


That computer adds a extra 3000-5000$ to the price of the car. If I want the convinience of a robot shifting for me, then I will pay it, but last time I checked, I can shift the gears perfectly myself.
 
2012-05-02 05:03:42 AM
Manual transmissions are old fashioned and obsolete.

Did you guys threaten to kill yourselves when your car didn't have a hand crank sticking out of the front bumper?
 
2012-05-02 05:04:58 AM
I haven't seen a manual transmission here in Japan except in high end sports coupes.
 
2012-05-02 05:07:11 AM

SpeedyBB: SnarfVader: The_Sponge: kmmontandon: The_Sponge: IMHO, Wranglers should only be manufactured with manual transmissions.

And never sold to college girls, who try to drive them like sports cars.


And anyone who puts those ultra flashy rims on them will be shot on sight.

And bring back the straight six.

"Blue-Flame six". UGH.

Ueber-example of pitiful murken under-engineering.


You like that V6 they put in it now? Or, let me guess, you hate anything American?
 
2012-05-02 05:12:07 AM
Automatics are only good for eating an ice cream cone while driving.
Can't think of any other reason.
 
2012-05-02 05:12:47 AM

foxyshadis: SnarfVader: The_Sponge: kmmontandon: The_Sponge: IMHO, Wranglers should only be manufactured with manual transmissions.

And never sold to college girls, who try to drive them like sports cars.


And anyone who puts those ultra flashy rims on them will be shot on sight.

And bring back the straight six.

Serious question: Aside from simplicity, what was better about the 4.0 I6 than the new-ish 3.8 V6? It's more powerful, more torquey, and weighs less, though I don't know anything about its longevity. Is it easier to work on? I'm sure they could have VVT'd or turbo'd the I6, but I doubt it would be stupidly better that before. (Though I have no idea why Chrysler swapped a 20-year-old engine with a 17-year-old one, that one's a bit baffling. Tons of new engines exceed its power with half the weight and displacement now.)


I'll be honest. I found it to be more reliable than our new one. Ran it into the ground. New one's been in the shop one too many times. Anecdotal evidence and all and YMMV. Personally, I want to get an old CJ like my uncle used to have and drop a small block in it for a weekend toy, but that'll have to wait.
 
2012-05-02 05:16:30 AM

Tenatra: Stick shift drivers are almost my most hated thing on the road

Usual experience -

At a red light waiting for it to change
Green light
Accelerate
oh the guy in front of me accelerates extremely slow so I ride my brake/coast. He shifts
we start getting up to a decent speed (10-15 mph under the farking speed limit) and he shifts. I brake
A little way down the road he shifts and I have to ride my brakes again
We speed up, he shifts, I brake...


/I have had the privilege of driving stick once.
//Friend bought an old 4Runner from the city auction but didn't have his license
///I had to drive the damn thing across the city in rush hour traffic (woohoo somehow managed not to stall it)


You are an awful driver.
I hope you are already aware of this fact and are doing something about it, but if you are not then please tear up your licence and start catching the bus.
 
2012-05-02 05:17:03 AM
want a new Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW M5/M6, or Audi R8 with a manual? you are SOL.

want a premium sedan with a manual in the US? your choices are just the BMW 3, BMW 535, Audi A4, Infiniti G, and Cadillac CTS....for now. BMW's new 8-speed automatics could mean doom for its manuals. already its ended the manual option for the base 5-series, one now has to upgrade to even get access to it.

Audi just killed the manuals in its European S4 and S5 models, the US is next.
 
2012-05-02 05:24:02 AM
Great, let's go back to outhouses and rotary phones.

/there's a reason they do away with things
 
2012-05-02 05:26:27 AM

Bongo Blue: Automatics are only good for eating an ice cream cone while driving.
Can't think of any other reason.


Oh, other than going 2/3/4 all the way down 5 in Los Angeles. Fark that crap. I'd rather listen to music than shift all day. It's not crappy driving, it's not caring after you learn it's nothing more than playing with a knob to impress people that don't matter.
 
2012-05-02 05:31:13 AM
I much, much prefer a manual transmission. You have more control over the car.
 
2012-05-02 05:32:06 AM

Tenatra: Stick shift drivers are almost my most hated thing on the road

Usual experience -

At a red light waiting for it to change
Green light
Accelerate
oh the guy in front of me accelerates extremely slow so I ride my brake/coast. He shifts
we start getting up to a decent speed (10-15 mph under the farking speed limit) and he shifts. I brake
A little way down the road he shifts and I have to ride my brakes again
We speed up, he shifts, I brake...


Yeah, hmm... have you tried not tailgating?

/less likelihood of rear-ending somebody
//also, your car will last longer if you're nice to it
///inattentive automatic drivers are my most hated thing on the road
////slashy-slash-slash
 
2012-05-02 05:35:14 AM
I've been driving since 1981 and learned in a 67 VW Beetle and then got the 68 VW Bus. Both manual. Finding reverse in an old VW prepares you for other manual manipulation tasks requiring delicate touch...but I digress.

All subsequent cars have been manual Saabs with my current a 00 9-5 Aero Turbo wagon. It has 180k miles and I hope to take it to 250k.

Driving in the SF Bay area means lots of rolling hills. I'm often in the Marin headlands on 101 or on 24 out to Danville and as everyone else is riding their brakes on the long downhills after the tunnels, I'm in 4th and never have to touch the brakes unless traffic dictates and can still obey the speed limit for the most part.

And no, I'm not slow off the line because it's a stick.
 
2012-05-02 05:35:58 AM

Cowkitchen2: I much, much prefer a manual transmission. You have more control over the car.

 
2012-05-02 05:36:27 AM

dumbobruni: want a new Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW M5/M6, or Audi R8 with a manual? you are SOL.

want a premium sedan with a manual in the US? your choices are just the BMW 3, BMW 535, Audi A4, Infiniti G, and Cadillac CTS....for now. BMW's new 8-speed automatics could mean doom for its manuals. already its ended the manual option for the base 5-series, one now has to upgrade to even get access to it.

Audi just killed the manuals in its European S4 and S5 models, the US is next.


There is still a demand for manuals in the U.S., so they will still be made. BMW M3 buyers in America demand a 6 speed. Matter of fact, for BMW anyway, the 6-speed makes it to these shores long before the auto or any trans with paddles.
 
2012-05-02 05:38:16 AM
I've owned two automatics, both out of desperation when I was young. I've had nothing but manuals since.

Alaska winters emphasized the value of manuals for me.
 
2012-05-02 05:39:52 AM

lohphat: I've been driving since 1981 and learned in a 67 VW Beetle and then got the 68 VW Bus. Both manual. Finding reverse in an old VW prepares you for other manual manipulation tasks requiring delicate touch...but I digress.

All subsequent cars have been manual Saabs with my current a 00 9-5 Aero Turbo wagon. It has 180k miles and I hope to take it to 250k.

Driving in the SF Bay area means lots of rolling hills. I'm often in the Marin headlands on 101 or on 24 out to Danville and as everyone else is riding their brakes on the long downhills after the tunnels, I'm in 4th and never have to touch the brakes unless traffic dictates and can still obey the speed limit for the most part.

And no, I'm not slow off the line because it's a stick.


People who ride their brakes suck at driving no matter what transmission configuration they're driving. The fact that you're actually paying attention to traffic, not tailgating (obviously), and not running too fast has nothing to do with driving a manual. It simply means you don't suck.
 
2012-05-02 05:39:53 AM

Lunchlady: Just bought a manual a month ago. Had the guy at the Honda dealership give me shiat because I wasn't interested in a single car on his lot if it didn't have a stick, didn't care about price. He asked why that was my sticking point. Told him I'd have the car long after I finished paying it off so for me actually enjoying the car was much more important than what I paid.

Got a Ford.


LOVE this.

Six Fords in a row for me.

I have had an Escort (when I was 21) followed by three Ranger pickups. Then a Mercury (Ford) T-Bird equivalent at the time, and now my MOST reliable (most reliable! wonder car... a 2004 Mustang (with 100,058 miles on it that is still on its original brake pads and shocks, runs like a flipping dream, and in its life has required one alternator, one tie-rod, two batteries and eight tires).

Oil changes every 5,000 (no, not 3,000) miles and just driving it like the wonderful beast that it is.

I LOVE FORDS.
 
2012-05-02 05:40:04 AM
Also, idk what the hell you're talking about with the r8..you can indeed get it with a manual
 
2012-05-02 05:41:48 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If you can't drive a manual transmission, you don't know how to drive, IMO.


And, as a bonus, it's impossible to text in traffic!

//Both the wife and the daughter can drive a stick. Made sure of that.
 
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