whatshisname: omeganuepsilon: what would an all guy prom be like?

[static8.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

That's the perfect SFW visual equivalent of saying "gayer than a bag of dicks".

I was being rhetorical, not inquisitive, but the graphic is disturbing and funny at the same time, so +1

FedExPope: Kyoki: dbutts: We shun women and have sex with men...totally not gay.

Exactly. A MARSOC buddy of mine had to send one of medics home after sewing up the anus of a 13yo boy that was being passed around every Thursday night for the older men's "enjoyment". The Medic was ready (literally) to shoot the father of the boy that asked the medic to 'fix him' (the boy) so that he could offer him to the men again the following week

/csb

What the actual fark?! What happened with the kid, then?


Sick bastard, there are some things you just don't talk about.

dbutts: Islam Respects Women as Equals


Lol, they got nothing on Moses.


Numbers 13 (Pops)

Verses 15-25.

That's 32,000 virgins people.

FedExPope: What the actual fark?! What happened with the kid, then?

The kept him at a field hospital for a few days, but as far as I know they sent him back to his home. There was another kid... but that story is even too much for Fark.

Now that I think about it, good on the school if they did pay for some of it, because they are helping for a better tomorrow hopefully...but there's one condition. The male student body is worked with as well, in a fun way, to acclimate them to civilized society.

TV's Vinnie: You know what happened the last time some uptight fundie ladies got together.....
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 571x609]

I always look at that picture and cant help thinking "I would have had to be drunk to touch those lips" Those are some fugly women.

In my experience it's the sexually repressed religious girls who give the best, and most frequent, head.

adeist69: dbutts: Islam Respects Women as Equals


Lol, they got nothing on Moses.


Numbers 13 (Pops)

Verses 15-25.

That's 32,000 virgins people.



Correction, Verses 15-35. Flame on.

Gyrfalcon: LovingTeacher: rudemix: morgantx: I like this. They weren't complaining and trying to ruin the prom for EVERYONE (like SOME religions do!). They raised all the money and did all the work themselves. And they managed to create what will hopefully become a cool new tradition - NOT through force or legal wranglings, but through creativity, ingenuity, and hard work!

/No snark.
//Genuinely admiring of these young ladies.

^This

These will be the young women who grow and possibly temper their husbands and children. Not by saying fark you to their norm but by moving the norm forward. Good job!

Sorry but moving the norm forward will take centuries. These girls weren't even challenging their norm enough to move it forward at all. There is no honor in caving in to a repressive system and doing things their way, and that's what these girls are doing.

Conservative Islam treats women not as equals but as an evil temptation that needs to be hidden and controlled. These girls gave in to that system and allowed themselves to be hidden and controlled.

But they did it in a way that allowed their society to accept it. They took something unacceptably "American" and made it "acceptably" Muslim. They didn't do things "Conservative Islam's" way, because that would have been for them not to have a prom at all. They did it their own way, which was to have a "girls only" prom, in which they got to dress up--like American girls--wear make up and let their hair down--like American girls--and dance to music--like American girls. It allowed them to be American and less conservative, while allowing their conservative parents and community to rationalize that they didn't violate tradition TOO much, so it could happen without censure.

You're not giving the girls enough credit for finding a way to make a tiny break with tradition and still keep the system you decry happy. Revolution can't always be made with a sledgehammer. Sometimes it has to be made with a scalpel. What good would it have d ...

That "tiny break" still doesn't get them equality or any real progression, IMHO. Their parents will not necessarily see it as something to consider in the "hey, maybe I should give her a little more consideration/freedom, after all, she worked so hard".... No, the following day, they'll be back to their hijabs and awaiting the arranged marriages, and nothing will really have been done. It's almost as if they were celebrating being oppressed and kept from enjoying a complete event in a culture that they've obviously come to love in some manner.

If they're allowed or, my heathen gods allow it, able on their own merits to go to college, that would be time to break the ties and actually assert their own freedoms. "Tiny breaks" don't account for much in making yourself be counted as a human being and not chattel in your own lifetime, and frankly, I don't expect anyone to have such saint-like patience. I believe in equal and inalienable rights, one of them being that a human, male or female has the right to determine his or her own destiny, and fundamentalists, be they Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. oppose that when it comes to a woman's place in the world...period. Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony didn't start their movements and restrict themselves to "tiny breaks", they set off to shatter the walls and organize. I don't expect these girls to be such figures, and I'm glad that they were able to actually enjoy a night free of a little oppression, but to say that this is the start of a "revolution" I think is an exaggeration. They still bent to the cultural standard, and in the end, I doubt their community will be impacted until they assert any true independence.

/not saying that the US is the promised land in terms of women's rights
//we've still got a hell of a long way to go
///hope they can break away and not get caught in the cycle

I'm surprised that it wasn't Sadr City East Dearborn.

rudemix: These will be the young women who grow and possibly temper their husbands and children. Not by saying fark you to their norm but by moving the norm forward. Good job!

Except that they haven't. They merely complied with the norm.

89 Stick-Up Kid: Or she could grow up and tell her crazy religion to fark off.

THIS x 1000.

This article makes me happy. Say what you will about religious oppression, cultural assimilation, etc., but giving girls a chance to dress up princess-style and have a good time with their friends in a safe environment sounds like a good thing to me.

give me doughnuts: rudemix: These will be the young women who grow and possibly temper their husbands and children. Not by saying fark you to their norm but by moving the norm forward. Good job!

Except that they haven't. They merely complied with the norm.

You can't say that for certain, the hoped for outcome will be 20 or so years away, and may indeed take many more generations to fully materialize.

The only other "solution" to the "problem" is to force them all to go to a normal prom(or whatever other activities help in growth and development of the rational), and that's actually worse than the current "problem". Last time something like that happened on scale, there were arm bands and incinerators involved.

The other option, to hold no prom at all, or just hold one for the kids that would go, does nothing towards the "problem" at all.

All in all, this is one of the more fair ways to even attempt change.

Eh, whatever, like a girls night out in gowns. I feel bad that they'll likely have warped senses of sexuality and relationship. But it's not creepy like those father-daughter dances.

But at a normal American school if a girl takes a girl to the prom they ban her or hold the prom somewhere else and don't tell her ?

Lesbian-Jesus: But at a normal American school if a girl takes a girl to the prom they ban her or hold the prom somewhere else and don't tell her ?

That sort of thing happens infrequently, but it's getting to be less of a problem, even in the south. Plus cities are starting to pass municipal ordinances banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation (despite state inaction), and frankly, the bigots are losing the war.

I have a really hard time getting up in arms about this like some in the thread. Do I feel bad for them that they're so held back by religion? Yes. Am I glad they at least got to have SOME fun and some semblance of a quasi-normal high school life? Yes. They saw a problem, and came up with a decent solution that let them and everyone else have fun.

Good for them.

SpaceyCat: Good for them. Taking traditions from their past and combining traditions of the present. It's great to see this sort of blending and making things work for everyone involved.

wrong answer dude. how about : "leave your bullshiat religious beliefs at the door and acclimate to the society into which you move? no dancing/touching/being-in-same-room with boys as a senior / adult ? borderline false imprisonment / denial of personal liberty over here clowns...

Mimic_Octopus: SpaceyCat: Good for them. Taking traditions from their past and combining traditions of the present. It's great to see this sort of blending and making things work for everyone involved.

wrong answer dude. how about : "leave your bullshiat religious beliefs at the door and acclimate to the society into which you move? no dancing/touching/being-in-same-room with boys as a senior / adult ? borderline false imprisonment / denial of personal liberty over here clowns...

5/10. You'll get some bites on it.

Rincewind53: You know, before I looked at the state, I was just going to presume she was an orthodox Jew. Turns out she's an orthodox Muslim. Close enough!

Really? My first guess was Baptist. Not a lot of US Muslim denominations that forbid dancing, but there are a lot of Baptists around, and that's one of the things the sect is well-known for.

Mimic_Octopus: SpaceyCat: Good for them. Taking traditions from their past and combining traditions of the present. It's great to see this sort of blending and making things work for everyone involved.

wrong answer dude. how about : "leave your bullshiat religious beliefs at the door and acclimate to the society into which you move? no dancing/touching/being-in-same-room with boys as a senior / adult ? borderline false imprisonment / denial of personal liberty over here clowns...

Oh for the love. Do I agree with the religious tenants? Nah, I'm atheist, but these are young girls who want to have fun for a night, and you're a dick for implying that Muslims or others need to leave their religion at the US door. It's not false imprisonment, and it has nothing to do with denial of personal liberty -- in fact, quite the opposite.

/I'm getting trolled again, aren't I?

LadyBelgara: Mimic_Octopus: SpaceyCat: Good for them. Taking traditions from their past and combining traditions of the present. It's great to see this sort of blending and making things work for everyone involved.

wrong answer dude. how about : "leave your bullshiat religious beliefs at the door and acclimate to the society into which you move? no dancing/touching/being-in-same-room with boys as a senior / adult ? borderline false imprisonment / denial of personal liberty over here clowns...

5/10. You'll get some bites on it.

dammit

I usually copy/paste something from the article to make some sort of a pithy comment. I realized that I'd highlighted nearly half the first screen.
The article was well written and the subject was great.
If they can keep this kind of thing going (not the dance but the attitude) this whole place might just become a great place to live in again.
+1

How many years until we have an insulated Muslim community that has no need for the greater American salad bowl we have now?

Maybe this is a step forward for young women in insulated Muslim communities. I am not sure. I just don't want to see the situation we have in some communities in Europe in the US in 15-20 years from now.

That would be where they don't seem to be tolerant of the greater culture they live in, creating weird pockets of ethnic/social conservatism in traditionally open, liberal communities as a counter reaction to the ethnic enclaves.

/Not talking about Sharia law either. That is a mentally challenged talking point.

And feel free to add places like Williamsberg, NY to that.

namatad,dont we already have this for a ton of farked up xian sects ??

Not familar with what you are talking about. Do you mean Chinese subcultures? If so I have no idea.

Oh Lezbos eh??

I always thought the antagonistic atheist set was nuts, then I read this line FTFA: "This is how you look underneath!"
I'm usually A-OK with religions doing whatever their silly books say, (hey, it's Beltane, mine says I should go get laid), but this indoctrination of females as a second class no one can even see doesn't seem like something America should condone.

Marcintosh: I usually copy/paste something from the article to make some sort of a pithy comment. I realized that I'd highlighted nearly half the first screen.
The article was well written and the subject was great.
If they can keep this kind of thing going (not the dance but the attitude) this whole place might just become a great place to live in again.
+1


7/10 well played, my negro.

OddPanda: I'm usually A-OK with religions doing whatever their silly books say, (hey, it's Beltane, mine says I should go get laid)

Damn straight....

On a related note, I never knew there was that much Muslim porn on the web until this thread prompted me to look. Who knew?

OddPanda: I always thought the antagonistic atheist set was nuts, then I read this line FTFA: "This is how you look underneath!"
I'm usually A-OK with religions doing whatever their silly books say, (hey, it's Beltane, mine says I should go get laid), but this indoctrination of females as a second class no one can even see doesn't seem like something America should condone.

What do you do about it though? Use of force is right out, I should hope you see that much, the whole freedom of religion thing is a little too vague, and now we're seeing how it's counter productive to other civil liberties, but what do we do about it?

All we can do is try and "show them the light" as it were. Sounds like a religious activity, and some will call it just that, that I'm speaking out of a belief. Never will convince them all that one can have a concept of a society that's as strife free as it can possibly be, without the use of ridiculous sky magicians and tradition.
/ie logic and reason can result in a society more civilized than any religion would have it
//it's not religious to want as many happy, healthy, and educated people as possible
///and no I'm not a hippy, that implies a certain laziness, but they did have a concept or two that could help mankind
////mankind can do more as a whole if there is less in-fighting
//sorry, didn't feel like making that any more coherant, I am lazy, just not a certain hippy kind of lazy.

Canton: gimmegimme: Canton: But at the all-girl prom, there were double double-takes, as some of Tharima's classmates, normally concealed in a chrysalis of hijab and abaya, the traditional Muslim cloak, literally let their hair down in public for the first time.

This is actually very cool. Where's the cool tag for this? Or spiffy. Spiffy would have worked. You go ladies!

Hey, now. Stop implying that religion is a repressive relic of the time of when humanity was too primitive and scared to figure the world out on its own terms.

The Constitution respects Freedom of Religious Oppression.

Wait, what did I just imply?

Actually, I do like the work-around. They get to stay true to themselves and their faith, and go to a prom. Seems pretty spiffy to me.

They're not going to prom, they're going to some hellish all girl private party. Prom is a magical time where each gender learns that the other gender is nothing but a bunch of untrustworthy whores and assholes, and that your prom date will fark your friend in front of you, which is alright, because you should have realized that one cute blonde girl you talked to at prom was interested in you...

Prom is supposed to be a scarring terrible time for a young person. But it builds character dammit!

Good on them. Their religious bullcrap on the other hand, can go fark itself. Maybe one of these days, they will take off the veil and be proud of being women. You shouldn't feel bad for giving a guy a boner just because you were told so by a guy who feels mad about said boner.

The Shatner Incident: Good on them. Their religious bullcrap on the other hand, can go fark itself. Maybe one of these days, they will take off the veil and be proud of being women. You shouldn't feel bad for giving a guy a boner just because you were told so by a guy who feels mad about said boner.

Thank you, sir/madam, it was an indelicate way to say it, but bless you for stating it that way...gave me a smile for the evening.

/or maybe that was the Barenjager....

WhippingBoy: clyph: 89 Stick-Up Kid: Or she could grow up and tell her crazy religion to fark off.

THIS x 1000.

There's one little problem with that: honor killings.

There's one little problem with THAT: Ol' Sparky.

omeganuepsilon: FedExPope: Kyoki: dbutts: We shun women and have sex with men...totally not gay.

Exactly. A MARSOC buddy of mine had to send one of medics home after sewing up the anus of a 13yo boy that was being passed around every Thursday night for the older men's "enjoyment". The Medic was ready (literally) to shoot the father of the boy that asked the medic to 'fix him' (the boy) so that he could offer him to the men again the following week

/csb

What the actual fark?! What happened with the kid, then?

[i23.photobucket.com image 325x183]
Sick bastard, there are some things you just don't talk about.


Yep, and a friend of my buddy's barber said that it happens all the time. SEWN ANUSES!!! What savage inhumans. I believe everything I hear.

89 Stick-Up Kid: Or she could grow up and tell her crazy religion to fark off.

Well, she did take he initiative to set this up, so he probably likes her religion.

And you can grow up, and realize some people are different than you.

Good for her.

KrispyKritter: the whole melting pot thing doesn't work if the chinks never leave chinatown

Do they have any obligation to Mr. WASPY?

mongbiohazard: You know, call this a crazy thought, but maybe she should just quit her religion.

Are you too much of a melon-head to realize she did this voluntarily? You know, like the observance of her religion.