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2012-05-01 07:19:23 PM  
I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.
 
2012-05-01 07:20:36 PM  
I don't want to read all that shiat, can someone dumb it down for me, in 2 sentences or less please?
 
2012-05-01 07:21:58 PM  

meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.


And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.
 
2012-05-01 07:27:41 PM  
Foodies are right up there with hipsters and Republicans as people who deserve a falcon punch right in the genitals.
 
2012-05-01 07:29:23 PM  
I don't think I've ever read as many content-free paragraphs in a single sitting.
 
2012-05-01 07:29:56 PM  

Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.


Foodies hate everyone by default anyway. It's pretty much de rigueur for all superiority cults.
 
2012-05-01 07:30:42 PM  

butt-nuggets: I don't want to read all that shiat, can someone dumb it down for me, in 2 sentences or less please?


Chefs from around the world get together and invent off-the-wall recipes and try them out.

That's as far as I got before the author got too gushingly annoying to keep reading.

Actually sounds interesting as long as it was set up fair-style where you could wander up to a table, try something and move on without having to get a lecture on the background of every grain of rice or whatever but could talk to the chef if you felt so inclined.
 
2012-05-01 07:31:45 PM  
I could only get through about half of that article and by the time I assumed I got the main point, I was done. Handful of international chefs gets to hang out and compare dick size for a week and, According to Theory, they all come home and Change The World As We Know It.
 
2012-05-01 07:36:05 PM  
Bunch of pretentious bullshiat.

Am I referring to the food festival, or this article...?
 
2012-05-01 07:37:10 PM  

butt-nuggets: I don't want to read all that shiat, can someone dumb it down for me, in 2 sentences or less please?


Japanese chefs are attempting to invade Europe by inviting top European chefs to dinner and getting them drunk. For four days.
 
2012-05-01 07:38:41 PM  
I spent a summer in Kanazawa. It was a nice town but all the Russians getting off the "fishing boats" from Vladivostok were 6'5" and 250 pounds. They never traveled in groups smaller than 4. They were some kind of KGB or Spetznatz and nobody even talked to them let alone bother them. There was a feudal era "spy" temple or Ninjadera where the local lord or daimyo would put fake priests to spy on the passing traffic. It would appear to be a normal Buddhist temple but if you tried to go anywhere inside there were all sorts of booby traps including a trap door hallway floor that fell into a stake pit.
 
2012-05-01 07:39:11 PM  

meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.


You've probably only eaten foodie from urban areas. I admit it's a bit gamy and tough.

Take your deer rifle out to the suburbs of a larger midwestern city and try some free-range foodie. Might change your mind.
 
2012-05-01 07:39:35 PM  

myislanduniverse: I could only get through about half of that article and by the time I assumed I got the main point, I was done. Handful of international chefs gets to hang out and compare dick size for a week and, According to Theory, they all come home and Change The World As We Know It.


OK got it, thanks. Dick chefs change the world. Glad I didn't have to read the whole article.
 
2012-05-01 07:39:54 PM  
It's nice to see ishikawa get some love. If you come to Japan, hit up Ishikawa and Kanazawa, the Buri alone is worth the trip
 
2012-05-01 07:40:29 PM  

Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.


It's ok.

By the obscure rules of hipsters, food ones or otherwise, by declaring myself a hipster I ceased to be one a long time ago. Seems the more you deny it, the more you are one.

I make what I though was an exceptionally good pan of brownies made from locally grown grain that was also ground locally in an old fashioned grist mill, complete with fresh eggs from my chickens.

Apparently substituting bulk cocoa powder and extra butter is a major faux pas, and I should have used fair trade 90% cacao dark chocolate chunks, as well as hazelnuts instead of walnuts.

//The local flour is pretty cheap in bulk for the quality.
 
2012-05-01 07:40:46 PM  

Nill: Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.

Foodies hate everyone by default anyway. It's pretty much de rigueur for all superiority cults.


Funny, because I consider myself to be a foodie but I have never seen myself as being superior to people who are not foodies. Nearly all of my closest friends are foodies and we are simply people who love trying new foods and who have a passion for food. That is it. We do not look down upon people who do not share our passion for food. We are different, not better. I am not saying that there are not foodies who are assholes, because there are. But, there are assholes in all walks of life. Being an asshole is the problem, not something else. For example, if a sports fan is an asshole I do not equate the problem to his being a sports fan. The problem is that he is an asshole.
 
2012-05-01 07:44:24 PM  

meat0918: Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.

It's ok.

By the obscure rules of hipsters, food ones or otherwise, by declaring myself a hipster I ceased to be one a long time ago. Seems the more you deny it, the more you are one.

I make what I though was an exceptionally good pan of brownies made from locally grown grain that was also ground locally in an old fashioned grist mill, complete with fresh eggs from my chickens.

Apparently substituting bulk cocoa powder and extra butter is a major faux pas, and I should have used fair trade 90% cacao dark chocolate chunks, as well as hazelnuts instead of walnuts.

//The local flour is pretty cheap in bulk for the quality.


you sound fat
 
2012-05-01 07:46:15 PM  

meat0918: Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.

It's ok.

By the obscure rules of hipsters, food ones or otherwise, by declaring myself a hipster I ceased to be one a long time ago. Seems the more you deny it, the more you are one.

I make what I though was an exceptionally good pan of brownies made from locally grown grain that was also ground locally in an old fashioned grist mill, complete with fresh eggs from my chickens.

Apparently substituting bulk cocoa powder and extra butter is a major faux pas, and I should have used fair trade 90% cacao dark chocolate chunks, as well as hazelnuts instead of walnuts.

//The local flour is pretty cheap in bulk for the quality.


I go to a local food market where all the food is grown within 100 miles of Chicago. I go there for a couple reasons. The first is that the quality of the food is much better than my local grocery store. The other is that there are a lot of foods at the market that my grocery store (nor any other in the area) does not carry. The third is because I like to support local businesses. If my only source for strawberries are those grown in California, then I have no problem with that. I will buy those strawberries.

As for your brownie example, I would not fault you for any of the ingredients you used. I think that it is great that some of your ingredients were locally grown, and I have no problem with the fact that you used bulk cocoa. Some people are just assholes, and those assholes give everyone around them a bad reputation. So, just ignore the farking assholes and make your brownies the way you want to make them. All I ask is that you share your recipe! :-D
 
2012-05-01 07:48:10 PM  
Writer reads like he is trying to channel Bourdain
And failing.
 
2012-05-01 07:48:42 PM  

Mock26: Nill: Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.

Foodies hate everyone by default anyway. It's pretty much de rigueur for all superiority cults.

Funny, because I consider myself to be a foodie but I have never seen myself as being superior to people who are not foodies. Nearly all of my closest friends are foodies and we are simply people who love trying new foods and who have a passion for food. That is it. We do not look down upon people who do not share our passion for food. We are different, not better. I am not saying that there are not foodies who are assholes, because there are. But, there are assholes in all walks of life. Being an asshole is the problem, not something else. For example, if a sports fan is an asshole I do not equate the problem to his being a sports fan. The problem is that he is an asshole.


The thing is, do you self-identify through your passion for food, or through the now inclusive term "foodie"?

If it's the former, I'm with you. If the latter, you might be a dickbag.

Foodie has been subverted by yet another class of pretentious jerks, sadly.
 
2012-05-01 07:51:23 PM  
Why do you all keep spelling "fattie" wrong?
 
2012-05-01 07:53:18 PM  
And there it is, at the end of the article, he namechecks Bourdain.
 
2012-05-01 07:59:04 PM  
fewdzie?
 
2012-05-01 08:13:30 PM  
That was not cool...it was boring.
 
2012-05-01 08:15:54 PM  

Temptation: And there it is, at the end of the article, he namechecks Bourdain.


Yup. Sounds like Bourdain might have been doing a show there. I HOPE. I can't wait to hear what he thinks about this event.
 
2012-05-01 08:19:22 PM  
Ah, looks like Bourdain was one of the chefs that was invited:

Also, there will be an episode about his participation in the annual Cook It Raw chefs event, which took place in December in Japan

Looking forward to that one.
 
2012-05-01 08:21:04 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: Mock26: Nill: Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.

Foodies hate everyone by default anyway. It's pretty much de rigueur for all superiority cults.

Funny, because I consider myself to be a foodie but I have never seen myself as being superior to people who are not foodies. Nearly all of my closest friends are foodies and we are simply people who love trying new foods and who have a passion for food. That is it. We do not look down upon people who do not share our passion for food. We are different, not better. I am not saying that there are not foodies who are assholes, because there are. But, there are assholes in all walks of life. Being an asshole is the problem, not something else. For example, if a sports fan is an asshole I do not equate the problem to his being a sports fan. The problem is that he is an asshole.

The thing is, do you self-identify through your passion for food, or through the now inclusive term "foodie"?

If it's the former, I'm with you. If the latter, you might be a dickbag.

Foodie has been subverted by yet another class of pretentious jerks, sadly.


I self-identify through my passion for food (as well as my passion for lots of other things).

Yeah, the term foodie, like a lot of perfectly good terms, has been subverted by assholes.
 
2012-05-01 08:27:04 PM  
I'm not a foodie.

I'm a glutton.
 
2012-05-01 08:29:07 PM  

fusillade762: Ah, looks like Bourdain was one of the chefs that was invited:

Also, there will be an episode about his participation in the annual Cook It Raw chefs event, which took place in December in Japan

Looking forward to that one.


Is Tony actually a chef? I've seen him eat and talk about a lot of food, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him cook anything.
 
2012-05-01 08:39:49 PM  

OscarTamerz: I spent a summer in Kanazawa. It was a nice town but all the Russians getting off the "fishing boats" from Vladivostok were 6'5" and 250 pounds. They never traveled in groups smaller than 4. They were some kind of KGB or Spetznatz and nobody even talked to them let alone bother them. There was a feudal era "spy" temple or Ninjadera where the local lord or daimyo would put fake priests to spy on the passing traffic. It would appear to be a normal Buddhist temple but if you tried to go anywhere inside there were all sorts of booby traps including a trap door hallway floor that fell into a stake pit.


weird, in 5 years living in Kanazawa i never once saw russian sailors, not even in Katamachi
 
2012-05-01 08:40:20 PM  

butt-nuggets: meat0918: Mock26: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

What a dilemma.

And foodies hate you. No dilemma there.

It's ok.

By the obscure rules of hipsters, food ones or otherwise, by declaring myself a hipster I ceased to be one a long time ago. Seems the more you deny it, the more you are one.

I make what I though was an exceptionally good pan of brownies made from locally grown grain that was also ground locally in an old fashioned grist mill, complete with fresh eggs from my chickens.

Apparently substituting bulk cocoa powder and extra butter is a major faux pas, and I should have used fair trade 90% cacao dark chocolate chunks, as well as hazelnuts instead of walnuts.

//The local flour is pretty cheap in bulk for the quality.

you sound fat


I was.

I got better, even with the brownies. The trick is to move more, and eat smaller amounts of better tasting and more fulfilling food.
 
2012-05-01 08:43:46 PM  

elev8meL8r: meat0918: I love to try new food, but hate foodies.

You've probably only eaten foodie from urban areas. I admit it's a bit gamy and tough.

Take your deer rifle out to the suburbs of a larger midwestern city and try some free-range foodie. Might change your mind.


i learned to crock pot my foodies. no fuss, no muss, and everything comes out just falling off the bone.
 
2012-05-01 08:53:08 PM  
Can people actually refer to themselves as "foodies" without bursting out laughing? How is that even possible?
 
2012-05-01 08:53:57 PM  
For those of you with the TLDR syndrome, this was the best bit;

"We wait motionless beside them until, finally, a screaming, jetlike blast of air above our heads announces the ducks' departure. The hunters hurl their handmade nets up into the darkness. The nets fall back empty. The hunters are stoic, sanguine, quite possibly vegetarian."

Pure. Comedy. Gold.
 
2012-05-01 08:54:13 PM  
I like great food at all, and I wish I had more money and time to go out to more awesome new restaurants, but... am I the only person who is completely and utterly tired of this whole celebrity chef culture? How about we go back to when the only people who knew who the "rock star" chefs were were, well, the chefs themselves. Everyone else just had to be content with knowing that certain restaurants were really awesome.

Of course, I doubt the chefs themselves want to go back to it. It's probably a lot more fun to travel the world and be a celebrity and make lots of money for doing things other than cooking, than it is to take pride in crafting food every night. Shame about that.
 
2012-05-01 09:14:08 PM  
That's where the world last bluefin tuna will be served.
 
2012-05-01 09:18:20 PM  

Mock26: All I ask is that you share your recipe! :-D


It's nothing fancy. Straight out of the Joy of Cooking with my adjustments/substitutions. Below is the recipe, using mostly their instructions and descriptions

I usually make the 9x9 because I like cakey brownies, but the recipe says you can use a 13x9 if you want them chewy and moist. Grease whatever pan you're using.

I melt 1/2 cup butter(it's supposed to be unsalted, but I never remember to buy it so it's always salted butter) with 12 tablespoons cocoa powder and an addition 4 tablespoons of butter (the unsweetened chocolate sub is 3 tablespoons unsweetened cocoa powder plus 1 tablespoon butter for every 1oz of chocolate). I set it aside to cool, and start preheating the oven to 350F at this point.

I then beat the hell out of 4 large eggs and a dash of salt until the are light in color and foamy in texture. The recipe calls for 1/4 teaspoon salt, but again I usually only have salted butter on hand.

Then I add 1 teaspoon vanilla and slowly add 2 cups of sugar, beating until thick.

Then I take it off the stand mixer, and mix in the cooled chocolate with a spoon with just a few quick strokes.

Stir in 1 cup flour until just combined, then I gently stir in 1 cup of whatever chopped nuts I might have on hand(except peanuts, I haven't tried that yet). Usually it's walnuts or pecans.

Scrape that into the pan, the recipe says bake about 25 minutes, but it always takes 35-45 minutes for mine to be done, especially if I throw a handful of semisweet chocolate chip into the mix with the nuts.

And I think I'm making these tonight, if I have the cocoa powder. I bottled up a chocolate coffee stout a month or so ago and used up quite a bit of it, and don't remember if I replenished my stock of it. Tonight is the night to see if it is ready. Brownies may go good with that.

Now I really do sound fat, but I swear, since I started using this flour (we have the hard red I believe)/a> and being more active, the pounds have literally melted off. The craziest thing is, the brownies don't taste like I used 100% whole wheat flour.
 
2012-05-01 09:29:55 PM  

Temptation: Writer reads like he is trying to channel Bourdain
And failing.


Bourdain attended. The show is next Monday.
 
2012-05-01 09:41:40 PM  
I'd imagine someone that was really into food wouldn't use the term "Foodie" anymore, they'd go old school and just use "gourmand".
 
2012-05-01 09:54:56 PM  

ph0rk: I'd imagine someone that was really into food wouldn't use the term "Foodie" anymore, they'd go old school and just use "gourmand".


Not me. I'm an epicurean!
 
2012-05-01 09:56:12 PM  

robmilmel: ph0rk: I'd imagine someone that was really into food wouldn't use the term "Foodie" anymore, they'd go old school and just use "gourmand".

Not me. I'm an epicurean!


So you thing the christian god is a big fat phoney?

/I know, I know, but he was known for a few other things too.
 
2012-05-01 09:58:46 PM  
So, dnrtfa but one thing I'm curious about re raw foods. I can't really digest certain vegetables very well when raw. Is there a way to "cook" them without heat (i.e. pickling or something like that) that makes them more digestable? Can raw food people pickle and marinate or is that not allowed either?
 
2012-05-01 10:04:05 PM  

coco ebert: So, dnrtfa but one thing I'm curious about re raw foods. I can't really digest certain vegetables very well when raw. Is there a way to "cook" them without heat (i.e. pickling or something like that) that makes them more digestable? Can raw food people pickle and marinate or is that not allowed either?


Why don't you just cook your food?
 
2012-05-01 10:06:40 PM  

ransack.: fusillade762: Ah, looks like Bourdain was one of the chefs that was invited:

Also, there will be an episode about his participation in the annual Cook It Raw chefs event, which took place in December in Japan

Looking forward to that one.

Is Tony actually a chef? I've seen him eat and talk about a lot of food, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him cook anything.


Short answer: Yes.

Slightly longer answer:

Anthony Michael "Tony" Bourdain (born June 25, 1956) is an American chef, author and television personality.

Bourdain graduated from the Culinary Institute of America in 1978, and went on to run various restaurant kitchens in New York City - including the Supper Club, One Fifth Avenue, and Sullivan's - culminating in the position of executive chef at Brasserie Les Halles beginning in 1998.
 
2012-05-01 10:10:05 PM  

coco ebert: So, dnrtfa but one thing I'm curious about re raw foods. I can't really digest certain vegetables very well when raw. Is there a way to "cook" them without heat (i.e. pickling or something like that) that makes them more digestable? Can raw food people pickle and marinate or is that not allowed either?


"Based on the notion that raw foods are nutritionally superior to their cooked counterparts, the raw food diet embraces a variety of unheated foods such as fruit, vegetables, seeds and nuts. Although you can consume some forms of pickled vegetables and other fermented foods on this diet, varieties that have been boiled, pasteurized or otherwise heated are not considered acceptable on a strictly raw menu." Link

I like Michael Pollan's advice "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." Raw, cooked, pickled, fermented, whatever; just make sure it's food.

I wouldn't linger on a raw food diet though, it can be... unhealthy

//And I'm farking out of cocoa for brownies :(
 
2012-05-01 10:14:24 PM  

meat0918: I like Michael Pollan's advice "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." Raw, cooked, pickled, fermented, whatever; just make sure it's food.


I think you missed Pollan's premise.
 
2012-05-01 10:35:26 PM  

Knucklepopper: meat0918: I like Michael Pollan's advice "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." Raw, cooked, pickled, fermented, whatever; just make sure it's food.

I think you missed Pollan's premise.


What part of "Just make sure it's food" means I missed Pollan's premise?
 
2012-05-01 10:41:10 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: coco ebert: So, dnrtfa but one thing I'm curious about re raw foods. I can't really digest certain vegetables very well when raw. Is there a way to "cook" them without heat (i.e. pickling or something like that) that makes them more digestable? Can raw food people pickle and marinate or is that not allowed either?

Why don't you just cook your food?


Yeah, I do. I was just curious about raw food diets and digestion. Just the thought of eating raw broccoli sends me into spasms of stomach pain.
 
2012-05-01 11:12:04 PM  

butt-nuggets: I don't want to read all that shiat, can someone dumb it down for me, in 2 sentences or less please?


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OMG came here to say that!! Geez, I read 3 sentences and I'm like, "wow, did they include the wrong link or WTF IS this pussy shiat??"
 
2012-05-01 11:24:15 PM  
Really? Am I'm the only one who loves raw food here....... just wash it and eat it......we Swedes have a very long tradition of raw food; berrries,nuts (alomds and walnuts in particular) veg, fish (know your sources - mecury is not a fun daily additive)....I love the occasional steak or duck, but raw food is amazing. You boil those veg you kill em - all goodness gone - if you eat cooked brocolli (what am I saying it's Frak and Americans, so brocolli is not really an item when you got cheezeboogers) it's cardboard and nutritionally d-e-a-d, washed thoroughly, raw it's one of the best health foods on the planet. Plus energy and gym kick and drive from raw food is amazing......

Yeah, I know - I sound fat......
 
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