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(Shelbyville Times-Gazette)   Try to pass a real $50 bill at a Quick Mart in Tennessee? That's a jailin'   (t-g.com) divider line 190
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2012-05-01 04:24:57 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Fark Derp Liberals will not appreciate it....


I can guarantee you they won't when you start the phrase off with a slur.

I'm assuming you weren't actually trying to make a point and were just trolling, though.
 
2012-05-01 04:25:30 PM  

Stile4aly: Hard to get too upset with the Quickie Mart guy here. He tried a counterfeit test and the bill failed. The cops couldn't immediately authenticate the bill either so they held him until they could. No one did anything strictly wrong.


Except that police don't normally arrest people who unwittingly pass counterfeit bills. That's because it's not a crime to unknowingly pass fake money, so you only get arrested if the cops think you know it's fake. Or if you're not white, obvs.

/ actually it might be a crime in the hellscape that is Tenessee, who knows, but it's not a federal crime. Even here in Florida, they just confiscate the money
 
2012-05-01 04:26:12 PM  
drug dealers and prostitutes do not care if you pay in counterfeit
imma just sayin
 
2012-05-01 04:26:35 PM  

PirateFuzzball: They went to two banks to verify the legitimacy of the bill? So was the Secret Service agent too busy banging a hooker to come over and do his job or did they just not bother calling the agency that handles these things? And does he now have an arrest record for trying to pay with a legit $50 that's probably better served being sold to a collector?


He can try and get his record expunged. After all the bill was legitimate when all was said and done. However, there was probable cause for arrest given it failed the counterfeit test and the bill did not conform to expectations. Given this, the arrest, while inconveniencing to the individual, was appropriate and probably would support maintaining the arrest on the record. It really depends on the standards the state has adopted on how to expunge something off their record.

As a side note, depending on the condition of the bill, it might be worth more than face value and he should take it to have it assessed.
 
2012-05-01 04:26:54 PM  
Gasper was told by Horner to take the bill to a lawyer as a down-payment on a racial profiling/wrongful arrest lawsuit.
 
2012-05-01 04:27:04 PM  

markie_farkie: Petit_Merdeux: have it exchanged for a newer one.



"I can do that"


Winner.
 
2012-05-01 04:27:05 PM  
I was half expecting the idiot clerk and subsequently cop didn't know there was such a thing as a $50 bill.
 
2012-05-01 04:27:24 PM  
He should have spent that farker back when it was new. Coulda bought a lot more with it.
 
2012-05-01 04:27:32 PM  
So, I'm curious - where did he get a bill so old that he was arrested for having counterfeit currency?

It likely wasn't in circulation, or this bill would've been caught sooner. So, where did it come from - who had prior custody of it before Lorenzo? How did it get in Lorenzo's possession?
 
2012-05-01 04:28:01 PM  
After Lorenzo Gaspar was jailed, Horner showed the bill to Sgt. Bill Logue, the Shelbyville Police Department's evidence technician, who told him old legitimate bills wouldn't "check" with a marker and suggested he have it inspected at a bank.

That's the problem right there. This wouldn't have happened in Springfield, home of the finest police work.

/Lou.
 
2012-05-01 04:29:06 PM  

Hip_about_time: drug dealers and prostitutes do not care if you pay in counterfeit
imma just sayin


Um... no. That's a good way to get shot.
 
2012-05-01 04:31:17 PM  
Gasper was told by Horner to take the bill to a bank and have it exchanged for a newer one.
ya; beins' he's got all that authority to tell him to do that... don't want the guy to think he isn't partially right, you know... I mean; being he's a cop and took the dude to jail for nothing and all... you know.
 
2012-05-01 04:31:19 PM  
Doesn't the bill have a date on it like every other bill made in the past hundred years?
Why does the article keep saying how old it is but nobody bothers to mention the date?

Or is it so old that it predates bill dating? Which would also be something to report on.

/w
//t
///f
 
2012-05-01 04:33:48 PM  

laurens: I wish we could take our police to the bank and have them exchanged for newer ones.


I think we should treat them like seeds. Plant them and see what pops up.
 
2012-05-01 04:33:56 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Fark Derp Liberals will not appreciate it....but credit the Shelbyville PD for actually investigating...and releasing Gaspar when it was determined that it was not counterfeit

Now, if this was, say, an Angela Corey-State Attorney Buck Tooth BumFark jurisdiction....this guy would be on trial for his life. Fark Derp Liberals favorite prosecutor would have been hero-worshiped if she prosecuted....like they do for the phoney prosecution of George Zimmerman


So so close. You went just a bit too far by throwing in Zimmerman, though. Solid 7/10.
 
2012-05-01 04:34:01 PM  
www.antiquebanknotes.com

FAKE!!
 
2012-05-01 04:34:29 PM  

here to help: Hip_about_time: drug dealers and prostitutes do not care if you pay in counterfeit
imma just sayin

Um... no. That's a good way to get shot.


we arent talking about Mayberry RFD.
Did you know in large urban areas, that drug and sex transactions sometimes take place between anonymous parties?
 
2012-05-01 04:34:31 PM  

GoodOmens: Trance750: CSB:

When I was in Junior High, there was a kid who was as dumb as a box of rocks (actually that may be insulting the box of rocks). He took a dollar bill and tried to photo-copy it, using the schools Xerox machine, and wondered why it didn't produce any greenbacks

So I heard the first generation vending machines bill acceptors took photocopied bills.


Given how primitive early machine vision was I can believe that if it was a good quality copier. The electronics "saw" everything in monochrome. Basically it was just edge enhancement and detection to check which bill had been inserted. If it matched a particular pattern the machine took it for that amount and if didn't match a defined pattern it spit back out. You had to insert the bill only on direction because they didn't even build the machines with more than one imaging sensor or the patterns for the back of the bills. Just the front and facing one direction.
 
2012-05-01 04:35:59 PM  

FormlessOne: So, I'm curious - where did he get a bill so old that he was arrested for having counterfeit currency?

It likely wasn't in circulation, or this bill would've been caught sooner. So, where did it come from - who had prior custody of it before Lorenzo? How did it get in Lorenzo's possession?


When I worked at a liquor store when I was a kid I used to get all sorts of money, 2 dollar bills, someone raiding their or their kid's Kennedy half dollar collection, really old bills were not uncommon. Liquor will make someone spend a currency they wouldn't normally spend.
 
2012-05-01 04:36:23 PM  
I got my hands on one of these about 30 years ago working in a counting room at a PX. Someone must have been an idiot. It's worth around 5K right now. It won't be going with me to a Taco Bell anytime soon.


img.ehowcdn.com
 
2012-05-01 04:36:35 PM  
How do you spell "derp" with a drawl?
 
2012-05-01 04:36:44 PM  
If I were Gasper and Horner told me to take my $50 bill to a bank and exchange it for a newer one I might have been tempted to make a remark or two about what he could do to himself and about his parentage.
 
zez
2012-05-01 04:37:39 PM  
I once got a $20 silver certificate as change. had it less than a day because I owed a friend 20 bucks and he took it.
 
2012-05-01 04:38:07 PM  

Queensowntalia: UCFRoadWarrior: Fark Derp Liberals will not appreciate it....

I can guarantee you they won't when you start the phrase off with a slur.

I'm assuming you weren't actually trying to make a point and were just trolling, though.


Don't discourage them. I like it when fanatics on either side of the political aisle make themselves and their hollow opinions spoon fed to them from talk radio easily identifiable so I can add them to my ignore list. I figure I'll eventually weed out all the trolls and find some useful meaningful discussion.

/Why yes, I AM new to the interwebs, why do you ask?
 
2012-05-01 04:38:48 PM  

FnkyTwn: Doesn't the bill have a date on it like every other bill made in the past hundred years?
Why does the article keep saying how old it is but nobody bothers to mention the date?


Exactly what I was wondering. I did a GIS for old $50 bill and found one from 1934 -- had a date. How hard would it have been to look?
 
2012-05-01 04:39:10 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Fark Derp Liberals will not appreciate it....but credit the Shelbyville PD for actually investigating...and releasing Gaspar when it was determined that it was not counterfeit

Now, if this was, say, an Angela Corey-State Attorney Buck Tooth BumFark jurisdiction....this guy would be on trial for his life. Fark Derp Liberals favorite prosecutor would have been hero-worshiped if she prosecuted....like they do for the phoney prosecution of George Zimmerman


Man, I like my trolls well-done, as well as rare.
You're medium all the way.
Try harder.

/ and that's Fark Libtard to you, motherfu(ker
 
2012-05-01 04:44:05 PM  
No problem.

Most of my US $50 bills have General William Tecumseh Sherman on them and the slogan Sux to be You, Johnny Reb!

They also bear the signatures of President Harry S Truman and Texas Governor George Walker Bush, Jr.

upload.wikimedia.org
Some of the bills bear the image of Sir Samuel Vymes Duke of Ankh-Morpork, who has a more than passing ressemblance to General Sherman, and bear the paw-print of a small Pug dog, Governor of the Bank of Ankh-Morpork, and the signature of Lord Vetenari, Patrician.

These bank notes bear the slogan: This is real money, issued by the Bank of Ankh-Morpork, not mere Fiat currency. Are you calling Lord Vetenari a liar? Woof! You wouldn't like the penalty for rejecting legal tender.

It is believed that the Woof! is a comment by the Governor of the Bank, but nobody is quite sure what it means. It may, however, be an interjection by Lord Veternari's belovèd Wuffles, copied down by the Secretary accidentally while Lord Veternari was dictating. The verso shows the Oblong Office with Lord Vetenari behind the desk and Wuffles on the floor in front of the desk, chewing on a bone, possibly human, that he has dug up somewhere.
 
2012-05-01 04:45:13 PM  

xebeche_tzu: How do you spell "derp" with a drawl?


xebeche_tzu

/sorry, it's a disease I inherited. Never leave a joke hanging.
 
2012-05-01 04:45:48 PM  

Matthew Keene: I got my hands on one of these about 30 years ago working in a counting room at a PX. Someone must have been an idiot. It's worth around 5K right now. It won't be going with me to a Taco Bell anytime soon.


[img.ehowcdn.com image 575x243]


its the 2 dollar bills you gotta worry about at taco bell
 
2012-05-01 04:46:43 PM  
James (The amazing) Randi says that he likes to take real bills, spray them with ordinary laundry starch, and then pay them in at the bank, so they are re-circulated.
The common test for a bad bill is to use an iodine 'marker' pen which detects traces of starch in cheap counterfeit paper..........so real bills, that have been treated, show up as counterfeit.
[the really stupid part is that "good" counterfeits use decent paper, which will easily pass this 'marker' test]

his reasoning, is that he is exposing bunk gadgets [counterfeit bill detectors]

normally, I admire Randi, but Randi can sometimes be a dick
 
2012-05-01 04:46:58 PM  
There is all kinds of fail going on here. The store clerk, for not simply declining it and recognizing he/she is not a currency expert and lacked the expertise to determine if the bill is real or not, and the police for not doing the same. Plus there was no reason to believe that the person attempting to pay with the money was the CREATOR of the fake bill (if it's fake).

If the guy had a known address and identification, there is zero reason for the police to arrest him, as they could have simply taken the $50 into evidence, taken his information, and then if it turned out that a bank (or U.S. Secret Service) confirmed it as counterfeit they could always launch an investigation at that point.
 
2012-05-01 04:47:50 PM  

zez: I once got a $20 silver certificate as change. had it less than a day because I owed a friend 20 bucks and he took it.


How does that work?

On the note it says that you can take it to the bank that's listed on the note (the regional Fed) and exchange it for $20 in silver. Now, is that at the current exchange rate? Or is it for something like 20 silver dollars that are roughly an ounce of 90% silver? They're about $40 right now, so a $20 Silver Certificate would get you $800 like that. But, knowing the way people are, they'd give you a half ounce of silver. Actually, they'd just give you a $20 FRN in exchange despite what it says on the bill. farkers
 
2012-05-01 04:48:07 PM  

macadamnut: take the bill to a bank and have it exchanged for a newer one.

Fark that. Either it's legal tender or it's not.


THIS
 
2012-05-01 04:49:58 PM  
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2012-05-01 04:52:18 PM  

indylaw: ambassador_ahab: Jake Havechek: Sue the balls off of those pigs so they have to patrol on bicycles.

I like this answer better. Maybe "false imprisonment" since he was detained without having done anything wrong?

That and malicious prosecution.


I was thinking he was doing pretty good getting an apology. These days, it seems the cops would just charge you with resisting arrest rather than admit they'd made a mistake.
 
2012-05-01 05:01:58 PM  
are used to work as a cashier in a fast food joint and kids wouldbring in dollar bills from 1920. I can just picture the look on their dads face when they explained they stole money from his collection to pay for a cheeseburger.
 
2012-05-01 05:02:11 PM  
"Gasper was told by Horner to take the bill to a bank and have it exchanged for a newer one. "

The new kind with the secret RFID chip and ink saturated with chemicals that cause the person touching it to be compliant to subliminal messages being broadcast from street cameras.

Obey, citizen! OBEY!
 
2012-05-01 05:03:49 PM  

barncook: are used to work as a cashier in a fast food joint and kids wouldbring in dollar bills from 1920. I can just picture the look on their dads face when they explained they stole money from his collection to pay for a cheeseburger.


They could have at least performed a frontal lobodotmy on the character and received $50 in hit points. from the federal govt.
 
2012-05-01 05:05:59 PM  
Canadian $50 bank notes are salmon colour (orange-pink) while American bank notes were once signed by Salmon P. Chase, pictured here on the $1 bill:

upload.wikimedia.org
THIS IS LEGAL TENDER YOU STUPID BIMETALLIST B*******S!

upload.wikimedia.org

Coincidence? Nothing is coincidental! There's no such thing as coincidence! Every synchronicity is the key to a great conspiracy somewhere.

Salmon. P. Chase promoted the idea of the Slave Power Conspiracy before Lincoln.

Chase was one of the most prominent members of the new Republican Party before becoming Chief Justice. Chase articulated the "Slave Power conspiracy" thesis well before Lincoln, devoting his energies to the destruction of what he considered the Slave Power - the conspiracy of Southern slave owners to seize control of the federal government and block the progress of liberty. He coined the slogan of the Free Soil Party, "Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_P._Chase

Today we call the Slave Power Conspiracy "the great Right Wing conspiracy", "the GOP", and the Tea Parties. Like the Bourbons, the Slave Power Conspiracy has forgotten nothing and learned nothing.

They have yet to take over completely the Government of the United States, but sadly they succeeded in taking over the Republican Party in the 1970s, and now control Washington as far as K Street, the Letter M, and the number 13.

Oh, you poor doomed children! Especially if you were raised by the Childrens Television Workshop.

Poor Canada, as Our Lady of Fatima once exclamed. You're next when the USA falls to the SPC.
 
2012-05-01 05:09:59 PM  

brantgoose: Canadian $50 bank notes are salmon colour (orange-pink) while American bank notes were once signed by Salmon P. Chase, pictured here on the $1 bill:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x271]
THIS IS LEGAL TENDER YOU STUPID BIMETALLIST B*******S!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x56]

Coincidence? Nothing is coincidental! There's no such thing as coincidence! Every synchronicity is the key to a great conspiracy somewhere.

Salmon. P. Chase promoted the idea of the Slave Power Conspiracy before Lincoln.

Chase was one of the most prominent members of the new Republican Party before becoming Chief Justice. Chase articulated the "Slave Power conspiracy" thesis well before Lincoln, devoting his energies to the destruction of what he considered the Slave Power - the conspiracy of Southern slave owners to seize control of the federal government and block the progress of liberty. He coined the slogan of the Free Soil Party, "Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_P._Chase

Today we call the Slave Power Conspiracy "the great Right Wing conspiracy", "the GOP", and the Tea Parties. Like the Bourbons, the Slave Power Conspiracy has forgotten nothing and learned nothing.

They have yet to take over completely the Government of the United States, but sadly they succeeded in taking over the Republican Party in the 1970s, and now control Washington as far as K Street, the Letter M, and the number 13.

Oh, you poor doomed children! Especially if you were raised by the Childrens Television Workshop.

Poor Canada, as Our Lady of Fatima once exclamed. You're next when the USA falls to the SPC.


The letter M actually *is* the number 13. if u assign a number to every letter.
I know this from elementary school
 
2012-05-01 05:10:20 PM  

jigger: zez: I once got a $20 silver certificate as change. had it less than a day because I owed a friend 20 bucks and he took it.

How does that work?

On the note it says that you can take it to the bank that's listed on the note (the regional Fed) and exchange it for $20 in silver. Now, is that at the current exchange rate? Or is it for something like 20 silver dollars that are roughly an ounce of 90% silver? They're about $40 right now, so a $20 Silver Certificate would get you $800 like that. But, knowing the way people are, they'd give you a half ounce of silver. Actually, they'd just give you a $20 FRN in exchange despite what it says on the bill. farkers


Nope. The Treasury stopped redeeming silver certificates for coined silver in 1964. After that, they issued sealed plastic baggies of unminted silver, totalling .7734 troy ounces of .999 silver. You can see a pic of one of these "silver packs" in http://www.cointalk.com/t187839/. If you have a $20 silver certificate, in good condition, it's worth more as a banknote to a collector, but not worth the cost of the metal at spot.
 
2012-05-01 05:11:01 PM  
My GED law degree tells me that ignorance of the law is no excuse, so somebody should be going to jail for false imprisonment.
 
2012-05-01 05:12:58 PM  

IvanTheSilent: jigger: zez: I once got a $20 silver certificate as change. had it less than a day because I owed a friend 20 bucks and he took it.

How does that work?

On the note it says that you can take it to the bank that's listed on the note (the regional Fed) and exchange it for $20 in silver. Now, is that at the current exchange rate? Or is it for something like 20 silver dollars that are roughly an ounce of 90% silver? They're about $40 right now, so a $20 Silver Certificate would get you $800 like that. But, knowing the way people are, they'd give you a half ounce of silver. Actually, they'd just give you a $20 FRN in exchange despite what it says on the bill. farkers

Nope. The Treasury stopped redeeming silver certificates for coined silver in 1964. After that, they issued sealed plastic baggies of unminted silver, totalling .7734 troy ounces of .999 silver. You can see a pic of one of these "silver packs" in http://www.cointalk.com/t187839/. If you have a $20 silver certificate, in good condition, it's worth more as a banknote to a collector, but not worth the cost of the metal at spot.


Gawddangit, forgot to note that the Treasury stopped issuing even the granulated silver in '68. Sorry.
 
2012-05-01 05:15:31 PM  

Hip_about_time: here to help: Hip_about_time: drug dealers and prostitutes do not care if you pay in counterfeit
imma just sayin

Um... no. That's a good way to get shot.

we arent talking about Mayberry RFD.
Did you know in large urban areas, that drug and sex transactions sometimes take place between anonymous parties?


So you're now saying that you can sneak fake bills past them easily? Because your first statement implied that they'd just be cool with it... which is false. They might give you 50% of the face value of the phony currency but they aren't just gonna take your bad money out of kindness.

Trying to pull a fast one on pimps and dealers is a BAD idea. In fact doing business with them at all is a bad idea.
 
2012-05-01 05:18:01 PM  
cincinnatimercantile.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-01 05:18:50 PM  
$50 bills ARE and will always be bad luck

moreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-05-01 05:20:03 PM  

Freschel: Should see how much a collector would pay for that bill.


This. If it was really freaking old it might be worth something.

Someone post Pawn Stars dude to edumacate us that shiat isn't always valuable just cuz it's old. So maybe not. Also, everything is worth almost exactly 1/2 to 1/3 of what you ask for it.
 
2012-05-01 05:22:49 PM  
And why is it that our money seems so ugly and unimaginitive in the modern era? I know the engraving process (i seen it on the teevee) and I still think each bill's beginning is an amazing piece of artwork- but it just seems less- inspired?
All the themes are heads and buildings. And newer, harder to copy numbers.
In the annals of US currency history, though, there are oodles of gorgeous bills- inspired by both emerging Americana, and the 'classics' of western lore and literature and myth.
 
2012-05-01 05:28:37 PM  
I want to know what happened when he showed back up at that quick mart after being released from jail. The awkward silence must have been deafening.

I would have had the quick mart change it out with a real 50 after that ordeal. fark the bank.
 
2012-05-01 05:30:40 PM  

TheMysticS: And why is it that our money seems so ugly and unimaginitive in the modern era? I know the engraving process (i seen it on the teevee) and I still think each bill's beginning is an amazing piece of artwork- but it just seems less- inspired?
All the themes are heads and buildings. And newer, harder to copy numbers.
In the annals of US currency history, though, there are oodles of gorgeous bills- inspired by both emerging Americana, and the 'classics' of western lore and literature and myth.


The new Canadian $50s and $100s have a clear part on them. First time I saw one it was dark and I thought it had been burned or something.

It's kind of ugly.

www.northumberlandview.ca

www.windsorstar.com
 
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