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lennavan		2012-05-01 03:52:24 PM

When discussing this very specific topic of Scott Brown's 23 year old daughter on his insurance because of ObamaCare, where can you find the following quote:

"For the Republican senator, this isn't necessarily hypocrisy."

1) Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
2) Glenn Beck's website.
3) Andrew Breitbart's moans from the grave.
4) Fox and Friends' Steve Doocy
5) Rachel Maddow's Blog.

Go ahead, guess.

qorkfiend		2012-05-01 03:53:31 PM

Over 100 posts and only two pictures of the daughters? Fark, I am disappoint.

bdub77		2012-05-01 03:54:00 PM

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Are we paying for her birth control? This is relevant.

You mean the so-called Whore provision?

I kind of want to defend Brown here, because was it really his decision? I mean he's in a family and his daughter wants or needs healthcare, he's supposed to say no for political reasons? Would that shiat even fly with his wife or for that matter his daughter?

Now of course I suppose he could have paid out of pocket. But a lot of people have made good arguments. If Buffet wanted to pay higher taxes he could just write a check, but no one actually does that. This is really the equivalent - because he disagreed on a position he should pay thousands for healthcare for his daughter instead? Should politicians pay for every decision they disagree on? Some do, but I would argue it's stupid to do so. Besides, who's to say it wouldn't help change his mind on the matter?

In any case it'll probably hurt Brown, which I'm fine with since he (and the people of Mass) basically farked the whole package over by getting elected. Well, and the utter incompetence of Reid.

meat0918		2012-05-01 03:54:34 PM

lennavan: When discussing this very specific topic of Scott Brown's 23 year old daughter on his insurance because of ObamaCare, where can you find the following quote:

"For the Republican senator, this isn't necessarily hypocrisy."

1) Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
2) Glenn Beck's website.
3) Andrew Breitbart's moans from the grave.
4) Fox and Friends' Steve Doocy
5) Rachel Maddow's Blog.

Go ahead, guess.

I guess #5, because the others don't want to even remotely mention the positives of Obamacare.

moralpanic		2012-05-01 03:54:59 PM

lennavan: moralpanic: You're not paying higher taxes. You're DONATING to the government.

Seriously dude? You're going to draw a distinction here? Voluntarily paying more in taxes to the government is not the same thing as DONATING to the government?

Of course there's a distinction. Nobody wants to pay higher taxes. But some people see the need for it if you want to live in a society that takes care of the unfortunate. Democrats donate all the time. Buffet has given billions away and will give more billions away. But nobody wants to pay higher taxes.

It's amazing how hard some people will derp, just to conclude the Republicans are bad. There are so many examples of GOP hypocrisy out there, so many examples of even Scott Brown himself being a tard/douche. Why the hell do you need to cling so hard to this one? Let it go man, let it go.

Ya, and we'll continue to bring up the other assholish things that the GOP does. That doesn't mean we can't take them to task for things like this.

Botkin of the Yard		2012-05-01 03:56:29 PM

Chelle82: I got kicked off my dad's insurance at 19, despite being a full-time student. It was Independent Health.

That's unfortunate. I my case, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan was the insurer and it was good stuff. I could have stayed on a lot longer than I did.

I think insurance companies ought to be required to keep minors on through school. I also think this is the sort of incremental reform that could have been handled without something like the ACA.

qorkfiend		2012-05-01 03:56:51 PM

bdub77: I mean he's in a family and his daughter wants or needs healthcare, he's supposed to say no for political reasons?

One wonders why he's opposed to the law, and would vote to repeal it if he could.

tenpoundsofcheese		2012-05-01 03:57:22 PM

Cyberluddite: gerrymander: How dare he play by the rules and say the rules should be changed!
I'll bet he pays all his taxes while campaigning for reductions in tax rates too, the hypocrite.

Are you just being intentionally obtuse, or do you really need to have this explained to you?

Here's a hint: Federal law requires you (as opposed to simply allows you) to pay your taxes regardless of whether you agree with the tax rates or not. You do not have the option to opt out of paying taxes. Federal law allows you (but does not require you) to keep your kids on your employer's health plan up to age 25 regardless of whether or not you agree with the law, but you may opt not to do so.

Now go back and see if your comment still makes sense to you.

Here is another hint.
You aren't required to take every deduction on your taxes.

But 0bama did!

the opposite of charity is justice		2012-05-01 03:57:38 PM

Scott Brown's tenure in the senate.

qorkfiend		2012-05-01 03:58:40 PM

Botkin of the Yard: I also think this is the sort of incremental reform that could have been handled without something like the ACA.

Possibly, but by who? The GOP would never make any moves towards a policy like this, and I don't fault the Democrats for trying taking advantage of a unique opportunity to try and get it all done instead of doing it piecemeal over thirty years.

lennavan		2012-05-01 03:59:44 PM

moralpanic: Of course there's a distinction. Nobody wants to pay higher taxes.

Warren Buffet does. What'd I win? Wait wait, let me try again -

moralpanic: Of course there's a distinction. Nobody wants to pay higher taxes.

Nobody wants to be forced to purchase something either, even if it's health insurance. Looks like that particular distinction went away.

moralpanic: But some people see the need for it if you want to live in a society that takes care of the unfortunate.

Yeah, wait were you talking about ObamaCare or higher taxes? Nobody wants to be forced to purchase health insurance but some people see the need for it if you want yadda yadda. Don't you see how similar these situations are?

Again, there is no hypocrisy.

moralpanic: Ya, and we'll continue to bring up the other assholish things that the GOP does. That doesn't mean we can't take them to task for things like this.

I'd just prefer you not since it makes the left seem retarded.

Corvus		2012-05-01 03:59:52 PM

lennavan: Corvus: Right but they think that ALL rich people need to pay more taxes not just them. Only them doing it would have almost no effect.

We've now returned to - you think Scott Brown volunteering to not take advantage of ObamaCare would have any effect on anything whatsoever? What's with the different standards?

So does Scott Brown not think that "GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER HEALTH CARE" is just as good as normal "capitalism" healthcare?

You and others keep dodging that.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:01:20 PM

lennavan: Okay, at this point I'm going to ask you to stop being retarded in your posts. We're talking about Scott Brown, not "Republicans." ObamaCare is not "healthcare." Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

So Obamacare is not "Government take over of healthcare" like Republicans have repeated for years? You mean that is a lie?

Please stop dodging and actually answer.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:02:36 PM

Corvus: lennavan: Corvus: Right but they think that ALL rich people need to pay more taxes not just them. Only them doing it would have almost no effect.

We've now returned to - you think Scott Brown volunteering to not take advantage of ObamaCare would have any effect on anything whatsoever? What's with the different standards?

So does Scott Brown not think that "GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER HEALTH CARE" is just as good as normal "capitalism" healthcare?

You and others keep dodging that.

If by "dodging" you mean "already addressed that and you completely missed it," sure.

lennavan: Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

moralpanic		2012-05-01 04:02:52 PM

lennavan:
Yeah, wait were you talking about ObamaCare or higher taxes? Nobody wants to be forced to purchase health insurance but some people see the need for it if you want yadda yadda. Don't you see how similar these situations are?

Again, there is no hypocrisy.

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lennavan		2012-05-01 04:03:48 PM

Corvus: lennavan: Okay, at this point I'm going to ask you to stop being retarded in your posts. We're talking about Scott Brown, not "Republicans." ObamaCare is not "healthcare." Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

So Obamacare is not "Government take over of healthcare" like Republicans have repeated for years? You mean that is a lie?

Please stop dodging and actually answer.

lennavan: Okay, at this point I'm going to ask you to stop being retarded in your posts. We're talking about Scott Brown, not "Republicans." ObamaCare is not "healthcare." Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

Seriously, clean that shiat up, I have no idea how to respond to you when you're conflating multiple concepts all at once.

qorkfiend		2012-05-01 04:04:31 PM

The Obamacare nanny-state government takeover of health care is SO BAD, I'm going to use it to insure my family. Yes, it is THAT BAD.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:05:06 PM

lennavan: Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare,

What?

Scott Brown on "Obamacare":

It operates by broad dictation from Washington, showing no respect for the judgment, needs or rights of individual Americans and the states. And it opens the door to endless abuses of power such as this latest mandate

That is not him saying it worse?

Really? You want to go with that?

moralpanic		2012-05-01 04:05:44 PM

lennavan:
Seriously, clean that shiat up, I have no idea how to respond to you when you're conflating multiple concepts all at once.

For somebody who has been here for so many years, you sure do a lot of whining.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:06:42 PM

Botkin of the Yard		2012-05-01 04:07:01 PM

qorkfiend: Possibly, but by who? The GOP would never make any moves towards a policy like this, and I don't fault the Democrats for trying taking advantage of a unique opportunity to try and get it all done instead of doing it piecemeal over thirty years.

I don't fault the democrats for trying either. I fault them for failing to come up with a decent finished product. I also fault the GOP for essentially refusing to participate in any helpful way.

We know that Obama abandoned the idea of a public option even before things got rough. We know that the ACA keeps us stuck with the same employer paid model we desperately need to get rid of. This thing is corporatist garbage and I don't see why I should vote for anyone who supported it.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:07:32 PM

moralpanic: lennavan:
Yeah, wait were you talking about ObamaCare or higher taxes? Nobody wants to be forced to purchase health insurance but some people see the need for it if you want yadda yadda. Don't you see how similar these situations are?

Again, there is no hypocrisy.

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You know how you know someone recognizes their argument has completely failed? I mean, on Fark.com that is. No one ever admits they are wrong, so you can't figure it out by them admitting it. You have to look for the signs. There are three main signs:

1) You make a strong counter point and they vacate the thread entirely but still post in other threads.
2) You make a strong counter point they cannot respond to, so they resort to posting meme JPGs instead of making actual merited replies.
3) Since they cannot logically counter, they pretend your counter point was instead so stupid and/or trolling that it does not merit a reply.

You went with 2 & 3. A nice selection.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:08:33 PM

lennavan: Corvus: lennavan: Corvus: Right but they think that ALL rich people need to pay more taxes not just them. Only them doing it would have almost no effect.

We've now returned to - you think Scott Brown volunteering to not take advantage of ObamaCare would have any effect on anything whatsoever? What's with the different standards?

So does Scott Brown not think that "GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER HEALTH CARE" is just as good as normal "capitalism" healthcare?

You and others keep dodging that.

If by "dodging" you mean "already addressed that and you completely missed it," sure.

lennavan: Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

Umm YES HE HAS:

Plymouth, Massachusetts that pilgrims from Europe established a colony because of religious persecution at home.

Now, it is Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren who has assumed the mantle of oppressor. She and her allies on the left are dictating to Catholics and other people of faith that they must do as they are told when it comes to health care or face the consequences, regardless of their personal religious beliefs.

He says Obamacare infringes on freedom of religion. Why would he want his daughter's freedom of religion to be oppressed?

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:10:15 PM

Corvus: I didn't read the article

Yeah, I know. Should I post the relevant quotes from it or let you continue posting really stupid comments? So far I've let you continue posting really stupid comments and I gotta tell you, I'm getting some decent lulz from it so I'm leaning that way right now.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:12:31 PM

Corvus: When you disagree with a small part of a 906 page bill that means you disagree 100% with the entire thing.

I don't think that's true at all.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:13:22 PM

lennavan: Corvus: I didn't read the article

Yeah, I know. Should I post the relevant quotes from it or let you continue posting really stupid comments? So far I've let you continue posting really stupid comments and I gotta tell you, I'm getting some decent lulz from it so I'm leaning that way right now.

YOu farking liar. Now you are making up quotes of mine because you can't answer and I've show you are wrong.

lennavan: I like fondling little boys!!!

OMG I can't believe you said that!!!

When the GOP repeated that "Obamacare" was a "Government takke over of healthcare" were they lying or not?

When Brown said that "Obamacare" was an attack on people's freedom of religion was he lying or not?

You keep dodging what they said/

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:13:32 PM

Corvus: If someone in a political party says/does something, that means the entire party believes and supports it

I'm not so sure about that belief of yours. I disagree.

moralpanic		2012-05-01 04:14:11 PM

lennavan: moralpanic: lennavan:
Yeah, wait were you talking about ObamaCare or higher taxes? Nobody wants to be forced to purchase health insurance but some people see the need for it if you want yadda yadda. Don't you see how similar these situations are?

Again, there is no hypocrisy.

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You know how you know someone recognizes their argument has completely failed? I mean, on Fark.com that is. No one ever admits they are wrong, so you can't figure it out by them admitting it. You have to look for the signs. There are three main signs:

1) You make a strong counter point and they vacate the thread entirely but still post in other threads.
2) You make a strong counter point they cannot respond to, so they resort to posting meme JPGs instead of making actual merited replies.
3) Since they cannot logically counter, they pretend your counter point was instead so stupid and/or trolling that it does not merit a reply.

You went with 2 & 3. A nice selection.

Do you know how you can recognize somebody who is out of their league when arguing but isn't aware of it?

1) They like to believe that their arguments are so 'strong' that the only reason why somebody stops arguing with them is because of their skill, when reality is that they're only talking in circles.

2) They can't follow others argument coherently, and repeatedly tell others that what they're saying is unclear.

3) They need to get the last word in, thinking that because they made the last statement, they won the argument.

You went with all 3. You have skills in pretending you know what you're talking about. Congrats?

Guidette Frankentits		2012-05-01 04:14:14 PM

Corvus: Why would you voluntarily participate in something you believe is "Government take over of your healthcare" or a plan to have "socialism take over the United States"? That's ok to do if you want to save a few dollars?

Point taken. I guess he could choose to kick her off.

Tyee		2012-05-01 04:14:30 PM

it is just outrageous that this guy would allow, or can't stop, his adult children from taking advantage of a program that he, and they, are forced to paying for. Even though this program is probably illegal unconstitutional.

Hetfield		2012-05-01 04:14:40 PM

lennavan: When discussing this very specific topic of Scott Brown's 23 year old daughter on his insurance because of ObamaCare, where can you find the following quote:

"For the Republican senator, this isn't necessarily hypocrisy."

1) Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
2) Glenn Beck's website.
3) Andrew Breitbart's moans from the grave.
4) Fox and Friends' Steve Doocy
5) Rachel Maddow's Blog.

Go ahead, guess.

You've been accusing your opponents of fallacious argumentation above and now you're resorting to a superlame appeal to authority that proves exactly...nothing.

Good work.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:14:57 PM

lennavan: Corvus: When you disagree with a small part of a 906 page bill that means you disagree 100% with the entire thing.

I don't think that's true at all.

HE VOTED TO REPEAL THE ENTIRE BILL.

How is that being against a small part of it?

He called it an attack on freedom of religion. Republicans said "It's a government takeover of healthcare" where they lying or not?

bdub77		2012-05-01 04:15:20 PM

Corvus: So Obamacare is not "Government take over of healthcare" like Republicans have repeated for years? You mean that is a lie?

Please stop dodging and actually answer.

People tend not to answer when the term is the same as calling your cleaning lady "facilities maintenance manager" or your garbageman a "waste disposal expert."

What do you envision when you hear "government takeover"? Is it the same as the FDIC walking into a bank and shutting it down? Is it like when the Fed loaned hundreds of billions to banks or AIG or GM? Or is it the fact that when you drive from Illinois to Indiana you're still on a farking road. OMG Government takeover of my roads! !

It's a gimmicky marketing word. Whether not it is a lie is immaterial. The phrase is designed to manipulate people. You could likewise argue that your paycheck is a "government takeover of your money". Except those taxes pay for things.

Or instead of calling it Obamacare, you could call it the ACA. The ACA mandates that the government manage the healthcare system through the use of private insurers, and it establishes healthcare for all the citizens of this country, not just the ones who can afford it. It is not a lie, it is merely a distortion.

As it stands, most people in this country already pay for healthcare. This wouldn't change. But it doesn't deny coverage for preexisting conditions and it covers a lot more people. And I'm fine with this, because it the ones who can't pay end up being covered in ERs and we all eat the costs for it.

The_Six_Fingered_Man		2012-05-01 04:15:28 PM

Corvus: When Brown said that "Obamacare" was an attack on people's freedom of religion was he lying or not?

Taking THINGS out OF context can BE a fun and exciting EXERCISE for those that HAVE little else to offer IN THE way of an actual ARGUMENT.

qorkfiend		2012-05-01 04:16:14 PM

Botkin of the Yard: qorkfiend: Possibly, but by who? The GOP would never make any moves towards a policy like this, and I don't fault the Democrats for trying taking advantage of a unique opportunity to try and get it all done instead of doing it piecemeal over thirty years.

I don't fault the democrats for trying either. I fault them for failing to come up with a decent finished product. I also fault the GOP for essentially refusing to participate in any helpful way.

We know that Obama abandoned the idea of a public option even before things got rough. We know that the ACA keeps us stuck with the same employer paid model we desperately need to get rid of. This thing is corporatist garbage and I don't see why I should vote for anyone who supported it.

You can be 100% certain the GOP plan would be even worse. "The Democrats aren't perfect" shouldn't be a valid reason to aid the GOP by not voting.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:16:43 PM

lennavan: Corvus: If someone in a political party says/does something, that means the entire party believes and supports it

I'm not so sure about that belief of yours. I disagree.

I didn't say he did.

Separate question:

Was the GOP lying when they said "Obamacare is a government take over of healthcare"? Were they lying or not.

Was Brown lying when he said Obamacare was an attack on religious liberties?

Why can't you answer these?

bdub77		2012-05-01 04:18:01 PM

lennavan: You went with 2 & 3. A nice selection.

You forgot about 4) Completely move the goalposts and try to move the discussion onto something different.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:19:09 PM

lennavan: 12 old boys get me excited. I know it shouldn't but they do.

That's sick.

/if you want to be a scum bag that you have to make shiat up because you're afraid to answer my questions fine.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:19:18 PM

Corvus: YOu farking liar. Now you are making up quotes of mine because you can't answer and I've show you are wrong.

Click the linked quote, it takes you to where you actually posted that. I just made your words more clear in what you were actually saying. You're welcome.

Corvus: You keep dodging what they said/

I'm not actually dodging. I've made some decent relevant points in an attempt to have an honest discussion with you. You've ignored those points and instead gone on your own stupid rant. Honest discussion now off the table, I decided to match your level of derp for fun and entertainment while I wait for things at work to finish.

Tell you what, I'll return to my honest discussion points and if you give me an honest reply, we can give this another go. What do you say? Here are 4 things I brought up earlier, I'd like a reply to each of them. Stop dodging the points I'm making:

lennavan: "For the Republican senator, this isn't necessarily hypocrisy."

1) Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
2) Glenn Beck's website.
3) Andrew Breitbart's moans from the grave.
4) Fox and Friends' Steve Doocy
5) Rachel Maddow's Blog.

Go ahead, guess.

1) Hint - it was #5. Rachel Maddow's blog agrees with me. What do you have to say about that?

lennavan: Okay, at this point I'm going to ask you to stop being retarded in your posts. We're talking about Scott Brown, not "Republicans." ObamaCare is not "healthcare." Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

2) You are calling ObamaCare health care. It is not health care. Stop it.
3) You are inserting quotes from the GOP and pretending like that means Scott Brown believes it. Just because one person from a political party says something doesn't mean all people in that party support and agree with it.
4) Scott Brown supports state level ObamaCare.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:20:03 PM

moralpanic: Do you know how you can recognize somebody who is out of their league when arguing but isn't aware of it?

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The_Six_Fingered_Man		2012-05-01 04:20:24 PM

lennavan: an attempt to have an honest discussion with you

Here is where you should have realized your folly.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:20:44 PM

bdub77: lennavan: You went with 2 & 3. A nice selection.

You forgot about 4) Completely move the goalposts and try to move the discussion onto something different.

Hah, good one, you're right, I did forget about that one.

moralpanic		2012-05-01 04:21:12 PM

lennavan: moralpanic: Do you know how you can recognize somebody who is out of their league when arguing but isn't aware of it?

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EyeballKid		2012-05-01 04:21:42 PM

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY: "NO, NO, I SAID DO AS I SAY!!!!"

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:21:50 PM

lennavan: I'm not actually dodging.

REally?

Ok answer:

You said Obamacare is not "healthcare" so:

Was the GOP lying when they said "Obamacare is a government take over of healthcare"? Were they lying or not.

Was Brown lying when he said Obamacare was an attack on religious liberties?

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:22:35 PM

Corvus: Why can't you answer these?

I can, I will once you answer the 4 points I wanted addressed above. I brought up those points prior to you asking these questions. We'll do the back and forth deal, not the you pepper me with questions and talking points while ignoring everything I'm saying.

EWreckedSean		2012-05-01 04:22:50 PM

Lawnchair: EWreckedSean: Why do we keep pretending that supporting one or even a dozen parts of a 2700 page law means you must support the whole thing?

Why do we keep pretending that the Republicans support any of the multiple positive changes in the law, when they had every opportunity to pass any or all of those changes over the last 20+ years.

When were they raised individually and what were the votes?

The_Six_Fingered_Man		2012-05-01 04:22:52 PM

I love it when people conflate someone's actual argument with what they IMAGINE their argument was.

Corvus		2012-05-01 04:23:16 PM

lennavan: 2) You are calling ObamaCare health care. It is not health care. Stop it.

So then:

Was the GOP lying when they said "Obamacare is a government take over of healthcare"? Were they lying or not.

lennavan		2012-05-01 04:23:55 PM

Corvus: lennavan: I'm not actually dodging.

REally?

Did you just quote my post, completely dodge the entire point of that post and accuse me of dodging you?

lennavan: I'm not actually dodging. I've made some decent relevant points in an attempt to have an honest discussion with you. You've ignored those points and instead gone on your own stupid rant. Honest discussion now off the table, I decided to match your level of derp for fun and entertainment while I wait for things at work to finish.

Tell you what, I'll return to my honest discussion points and if you give me an honest reply, we can give this another go. What do you say? Here are 4 things I brought up earlier, I'd like a reply to each of them. Stop dodging the points I'm making:

lennavan: "For the Republican senator, this isn't necessarily hypocrisy."

1) Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
2) Glenn Beck's website.
3) Andrew Breitbart's moans from the grave.
4) Fox and Friends' Steve Doocy
5) Rachel Maddow's Blog.

Go ahead, guess.

1) Hint - it was #5. Rachel Maddow's blog agrees with me. What do you have to say about that?

lennavan: Okay, at this point I'm going to ask you to stop being retarded in your posts. We're talking about Scott Brown, not "Republicans." ObamaCare is not "healthcare." Scott Brown is not saying ObamaCare is worse than non-ObamaCare, he wants it enacted at the state level.

2) You are calling ObamaCare health care. It is not health care. Stop it.
3) You are inserting quotes from the GOP and pretending like that means Scott Brown believes it. Just because one person from a political party says something doesn't mean all people in that party support and agree with it.
4) Scott Brown supports state level ObamaCare.

Yeah, you did. Dude, you rule.

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