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2012-05-01 12:06:03 PM  
Actually, MENSA started lowering their standards many years ago. There is actually another organization, a "MENSA-+", so to speak, for those truly exceptional intellect who have tired of the droll, predictable nature of pedants who believe a sub-160 IQ is even worth mentioning, much less celebrating with an "exclusive membership." But I can't really say much more about it other than that if you haven't received an invitation yet, you probably shouldn't expect one.
 
2012-05-01 12:15:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Actually, MENSA started lowering their standards many years ago. There is actually another organization, a "MENSA-+", so to speak, for those truly exceptional intellect who have tired of the droll, predictable nature of pedants who believe a sub-160 IQ is even worth mentioning, much less celebrating with an "exclusive membership." But I can't really say much more about it other than that if you haven't received an invitation yet, you probably shouldn't expect one.


Your club allows 160's in? They must be positively desperate. My organization doesn't even consider people until they hit at least 170.
 
2012-05-01 12:25:24 PM  
Mensa? I can't believe that anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that old scam.
 
2012-05-01 12:44:58 PM  
I'm a member of Ultra fark. We is only allowed the smartest.
 
2012-05-01 12:48:17 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-01 01:13:19 PM  

PainInTheASP: Mensa? I can't believe that anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that old scam.


Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.
 
2012-05-01 01:22:43 PM  

jaylectricity: Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.


You know what's really sad, though? Not that there are those losers in life who haven't been published in that, because we all know there are. But that some of the people who do earn this achievement then fail to make it into the next volume, Who's Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities. I can't even imagine how sad it must be to hit such a height in high school and then never achieve anything of note again. How it must feel to be 20 and staring a life of abject failure and despair full-on, I'm glad I can only imagine. *shudder*
 
2012-05-01 02:09:23 PM  
Any MENSA Farkers out there? You'll be please to meet your newest member: a two year old

"Embarrassed MENSA guy" eh subby?
 
2012-05-01 02:10:57 PM  
I'm a blue-ribbon Participant!
 
2012-05-01 02:12:23 PM  
I went to bovine university. I'm plenty qualified.
 
2012-05-01 02:16:52 PM  
Derr...wut?
 
2012-05-01 02:17:33 PM  
Why be embarrassed? If you're really MENSA, then you'd understand that IQ =/= overall knowledge.
 
2012-05-01 02:44:50 PM  
Every time I hear MENSA I think of Me, Myself, and Irene.
 
2012-05-01 02:50:58 PM  
The kid can do all that but he hasn't learned to use a toilet yet?
 
2012-05-01 02:51:29 PM  
I got a participation trophy once. That's good, right?
 
2012-05-01 02:52:35 PM  
MENSA members are never pleased with anything.
 
2012-05-01 02:52:39 PM  
Did the kid not get into an east coast graduate school?
 
2012-05-01 02:53:30 PM  

Dieruff: The kid can do all that but he hasn't learned to use a toilet yet?


He's just precocious. He's actually been a full-fledged toilet fetishist since six months.

The diaper thing is like foreplay for him.
 
2012-05-01 02:54:17 PM  

jaylectricity: PainInTheASP: Mensa? I can't believe that anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that old scam.

Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.


Ha!
 
2012-05-01 02:54:37 PM  
MENSA = Mentally and Emotionally Narcissistic Subhuman Assholes.
 
2012-05-01 02:55:10 PM  
07734
 
2012-05-01 02:56:09 PM  
Surely they are in mensa for kids?
 
2012-05-01 02:56:30 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Every time I hear MENSA I think of Me, Myself, and Irene.


I think of Asia Carrera.
 
2012-05-01 02:56:51 PM  
the entire group consists of self-congratulatory assholes who compete for attention with other self-congratulatory assholes. read the magazine for a couple months and you'll come to the same conclusion.
 
2012-05-01 02:59:32 PM  
images.picturesdepot.com

what a 2-year-old MENSA member might look like
 
2012-05-01 03:00:27 PM  
*ahem*
Triple 9
 
2012-05-01 03:01:00 PM  
Is there actually a valid "no bullshiat" IQ test that is recognized throughout the USA? Too many ones out there to believe them as accurate.


/anyone?
 
2012-05-01 03:02:35 PM  
Not in Mensa but smart enough to know what a quotient is. Given that mensa is open to people whose IQ's are in the 98th percentile and above, it would only follow that 2% of two year olds, or one year olds, or newborns or fetuses (probably should not have gone there) would qualify.

Call me when the kid proves the Higgs boson exists or figures out how to combine all the forces in nature.
 
2012-05-01 03:03:42 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle

Is there actually a valid "no bullshiat" IQ test that is recognized throughout the USA? Too many ones out there to believe them as accurate.


/anyone?


Great, now all the stupid people will come in and say IQ don't mean sh*t, man. I'm street smart.

Yep, and size doesn't matter....suuuuure.


/runs
 
2012-05-01 03:04:40 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the entire group consists of self-congratulatory assholes who compete for attention with other self-congratulatory assholes.


True, but there's an additional dimension that's important. You can be a self-congratulatory asshole (like me!) but still understand that joining the self-congratulatory asshole club won't make you any less of an asshole, or count as actual congratulations.

It's the lack of self-awareness that makes Mensa what it is, not any particular correlation between IQ test scores and antisocial behavior.

/this
//qft
///as usual, I win the thread
 
2012-05-01 03:06:37 PM  
You can't compare IQ numbers across age groups.
 
2012-05-01 03:06:47 PM  
I'm pretty sure the only requirement is the ability to pay dues.
 
2012-05-01 03:07:58 PM  
Two years and nine months old yet not smart enough to know that he should be way past walking around in dirty diapers?
 
2012-05-01 03:08:07 PM  

Dieruff: The kid can do all that but he hasn't learned to use a toilet yet?


he's off doing smart stuff, and he ain't got time for that shiat.
 
2012-05-01 03:09:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: You can't compare IQ numbers across age groups.


....or socioeconomic lines either for that matter.
 
2012-05-01 03:09:30 PM  
Any MENSA Farkers out there?

Well, the distaffbopper is by no means stupid, but I don't think she's up there in MENSA territory either.
 
2012-05-01 03:09:56 PM  
Nothing would pleased me more!
 
2012-05-01 03:10:15 PM  
mensa is cool because as an org they scam smart people. Most groups would say no way, we can't scam them they are too smart, let's run some wtc memorabilia commercials on fox news. But mensa said no, we can scale this peak. They said "we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard" Pretty sure that's where that quote comes from...
 
2012-05-01 03:13:13 PM  
there are a ton of different tests that can get you in, some just being spatial. So if the kid is really good at puzzles, it could be enough.

I'll reserve judgement until I see him at the local OATH mixer.


http://www.oathsociety.com/
 
2012-05-01 03:13:51 PM  
Well, high IQ aside, it is pointless for the kid to be a member of MENSA right now. The whole idea of a high IQ society is so those more mentally adroit can speak freely with those of comparable cognitive ability without having to dumb down what they say for any mouth breathing knuckle dragging troglodytes. This kid, for all his mental acuity, still can't communicate at more than a rudimentary level and the only reason for getting him into MENSA is to assuage the giant egos of his parents.
 
2012-05-01 03:15:02 PM  
Dr. Zoe D. Katze, Ph.D., C.Ht. snickers at this kind of news.

I, on the other hand, belong to a different kind of intellectual group. We start with doubt instead of intelligence and work our way up from there.

/How do I know what I say I know?
 
2012-05-01 03:16:00 PM  
I actually AM in MENSA. I've never actually gone to any gatherings out of fear of running into the John Fitzgerald Page types. And I was high as a kite when I took the test, too.

I think it just means I'm good at taking standardized tests.
 
2012-05-01 03:16:04 PM  
Is this where we come to make fun of all the groups we can't get into so we'll feel better about ourselves?
 
2012-05-01 03:17:14 PM  
Mensa? Wow...I didn't think that started happening until 10 or 11.

Kid must be very embarrassed.
 
2012-05-01 03:17:25 PM  
I'll admit it, I went and took the test about 10 years ago (it was offered at a local university during the summer) and got in. Paid my $40 for a year of membership and everything. I got on an email list for the local chapter and after a few messages from what appeared to be the most boring group of allegedly smart people ever to exist I just stopped reading them. Never even went to an outing or whatever they did/do to get together.

Still have the card though, fun to pull out and get a few laughs once in a while. Not sure to this day whether it was a scam or not, I didn't know anyone else in the test group so I couldn't find out if any of them actually didn't get in.

In summation: I am so smart, SMRT.

Alternate summation: CSB
 
2012-05-01 03:18:03 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: You can't compare IQ numbers across age groups.


very much this

I was a freaky genius when I was a little kid. These days, I'm lucky I remember to put my pants on every morning. I have no idea how it happened, but you can't argue with the results..
 
2012-05-01 03:18:51 PM  

Dafodude: And I was high as a kite when I took the test, too.

I think it just means I'm good at taking standardized tests


Yeah, those 2 things as well.
 
2012-05-01 03:19:00 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the entire group consists of self-congratulatory assholes who compete for attention with other self-congratulatory assholes. read the magazine for a couple months and you'll come to the same conclusion.


If it takes you a couple of months to read a magazine, then you are not MENSA material...
 
2012-05-01 03:19:15 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: Mensa? Wow...I didn't think that started happening until 10 or 11.

Kid must be very embarrassed.


Yeah, especially considering he's a boy!
 
2012-05-01 03:19:35 PM  

wildcardjack:
/How do I know what I say I know?


I don't know, but I do know that I can say things I don't know because most folks don't know either and won't call bullshiat on me.

so really, who cares? say it with conviction, and say it for the lulz.
 
2012-05-01 03:19:45 PM  
MENSA today, NAMBLA tomorrow.
 
2012-05-01 03:19:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Pocket Ninja: Actually, MENSA started lowering their standards many years ago. There is actually another organization, a "MENSA-+", so to speak, for those truly exceptional intellect who have tired of the droll, predictable nature of pedants who believe a sub-160 IQ is even worth mentioning, much less celebrating with an "exclusive membership." But I can't really say much more about it other than that if you haven't received an invitation yet, you probably shouldn't expect one.

Your club allows 160's in? They must be positively desperate. My organization doesn't even consider people until they hit at least 170.


170? what scallywags. Mine is 195+ only. There are 2 members.
 
2012-05-01 03:21:31 PM  

Dieruff: The kid can do all that but he hasn't learned to use a toilet yet?


Which makes him perfect for MENSA!

/there is a reason intelligence and wisdom are two different stats
 
2012-05-01 03:21:40 PM  

KnowEyeInnTeem: The_Original_Roxtar: the entire group consists of self-congratulatory assholes who compete for attention with other self-congratulatory assholes. read the magazine for a couple months and you'll come to the same conclusion.

If it takes you a couple of months to read a magazine, then you are not MENSA material...


In my defense it was the size of the old sears catalog and had a LOT of nudie pictures in it.
 
2012-05-01 03:23:35 PM  

jaylectricity: Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.


Unfortunately, the WWAAHSS appears to have had our Congress's "magic touch" concerning finances -
as they are now shut down due to bankruptcy.

Probably that ol' "startling intellectual genius coupled with a total absence of common sense" malady - so prevalent these days -
that led to their downfall.

Or, they might have just been unlucky. . .
 
2012-05-01 03:23:55 PM  
I remember my Aunt's neighbors were mensa members and would always tangentially insert that into the conversation when they were over for coffee. They lived in a two bedroom ranch with vinyl siding on Lanes Mills road in Lakewood NJ.

Thought I: fat lot of good mensa is doing them.
 
2012-05-01 03:24:51 PM  
fap fap fap fap fap fap fap *shudder*
 
2012-05-01 03:24:55 PM  
I might qualify but it would be marginal. I tend to dislike people who act superior, or whom you ask a fairly simple question as an icebreaker (including ones where you already have an answer), and they point to a computer and say "look it up." although I don't fit in with most of the people I've tried to hangout with, I can't see hanging out with smug people. Like everyone else, I just want to belong. Maybe I need to find more nerdy Trekkie type people locally.
 
2012-05-01 03:25:59 PM  
Smart enough but not good at testing, playing Boggle or Scrabble nor do I enjoy games so I sit in the car when everyone else goes inside.

"there are many types of intelligence you know, why there's . . . "
"Yeah I know, there's the kind of intelligence that tells you to shut your mouth instead of speaking down to others"

Just one more way to divide people - everyone's gotta be better than someone else I suppose-similar to Arlo Guthrie's "Last Guy"
 
2012-05-01 03:26:44 PM  
Haven't paid my dues since passing the test.
Took it because my bud bet me dinner that I couldn't get in.

I keep thinking briefly that I should hop back in and meet some people, and then go '....mmmmnnaaaaaaaahh'.
Because if someone at a gathering asked me why I joined, I'd have to either lie or answer "because Chili's has great boneless buffalo wings."
 
2012-05-01 03:31:29 PM  

Dafodude: I actually AM in MENSA. I've never actually gone to any gatherings out of fear of running into the John Fitzgerald Page types. And I was high as a kite when I took the test, too.

I think it just means I'm good at taking standardized tests.


This is the post I was waiting for. I have three favorite fark threads, in no particular order.
1. Intelligence/MENSA threads. Farkers congregate and tell everyone how they're members of
MENSA/tested off the charts in IQ tests but can't tie their own shoes, hold down a meaningful job
and do daffy things like put their cell phones in the fridge and answer their beer can.

2. Penis size threads, pretty much for the same reason as above. I'm so large that when it comes
time for me to be intimate, the woman or man says they're not interested in internal injuries or
having their jawbones dislocated. No mention of doing daffy things with their immense penises like
prying up some pavement and forgetting to use the jackhammer on the job.

3. Beer threads, because who the hell don't like beer? I'll even go as far as saying Smartypants
McMissiledong is a beer drinker which makes him OK in my book.
 
2012-05-01 03:32:56 PM  
Anyone who would actually join MENSA should be disqualified.

I used that line while having dinner with a university chancellor. He agreed wholeheartedly. What a stupid reason to have a club.
 
2012-05-01 03:35:01 PM  

imontheinternet: HotWingConspiracy: You can't compare IQ numbers across age groups.

very much this

I was a freaky genius when I was a little kid. These days, I'm lucky I remember to put my pants on every morning. I have no idea how it happened, but you can't argue with the results..


no, you are just smart enought to realize that pants are optional and move on from there
 
2012-05-01 03:35:43 PM  
At least I dont' poop myself, noobie.
 
2012-05-01 03:36:09 PM  

Pocket Ninja: jaylectricity: Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.

You know what's really sad, though? Not that there are those losers in life who haven't been published in that, because we all know there are. But that some of the people who do earn this achievement then fail to make it into the next volume, Who's Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities. I can't even imagine how sad it must be to hit such a height in high school and then never achieve anything of note again. How it must feel to be 20 and staring a life of abject failure and despair full-on, I'm glad I can only imagine. *shudder*


What about the "Who's Who of American Businesses"? Don't forget about them!

CSB: They contacted my business partner about a year ago. He got all excited about it. Was ready to order to plague, until I had to sit him down and explain it to him. In his defense, he's old and just doesn't know any better.

Burr: Dieruff: The kid can do all that but he hasn't learned to use a toilet yet?

Which makes him perfect for MENSA!

/there is a reason intelligence and wisdom are two different stats


Intelligence is knowing that a tomatoe is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
 
2012-05-01 03:39:24 PM  

ProEugenics: Pocket Ninja: jaylectricity: Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.

You know what's really sad, though? Not that there are those losers in life who haven't been published in that, because we all know there are. But that some of the people who do earn this achievement then fail to make it into the next volume, Who's Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities. I can't even imagine how sad it must be to hit such a height in high school and then never achieve anything of note again. How it must feel to be 20 and staring a life of abject failure and despair full-on, I'm glad I can only imagine. *shudder*

What about the "Who's Who of American Businesses"? Don't forget about them!

CSB: They contacted my business partner about a year ago. He got all excited about it. Was ready to order to plague, until I had to sit him down and explain it to him. In his defense, he's old and just doesn't know any better.

Burr: Dieruff: The kid can do all that but he hasn't learned to use a toilet yet?

Which makes him perfect for MENSA!

/there is a reason intelligence and wisdom are two different stats

Intelligence is knowing that a tomatoe is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit
salad.


Just sayin'
 
2012-05-01 03:40:52 PM  

Dafodude: I actually AM in MENSA. I've never actually gone to any gatherings out of fear of running into the John Fitzgerald Page types. And I was high as a kite when I took the test, too.

I think it just means I'm good at taking standardized tests.


Same here. I'm an idiot, but I took acid about 3 hours before my ACT and outscored my gf who was in Mensa and AP classes. I was on speed during the asvab and aced it, and smoked out right before the english portion of the psat and missed 1 question. Unfortunately I came down and fell asleep during the math section.
 
2012-05-01 03:41:09 PM  
BTW... how is it that this kid with a lower IQ than mine got his own friggin article? You know what I got? More homework.
 
2012-05-01 03:42:48 PM  
When he's grown up he'll be an excellent driver. Won't set foot on most airplanes, either.

/gotta watch Wopner
 
2012-05-01 03:43:56 PM  

ProEugenics: tomatoe


Clearly another MENSA member.

/Yes, I know that good orthography != intelligence
//Was that intentional? was [thatthejoke.jpg]? It's hard to tell around here.
 
2012-05-01 03:46:54 PM  
Being a member of MENSA changed my life.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to finish my widget-stamping quota for the day.
 
2012-05-01 03:47:23 PM  
I thought paying to be called smart by an organization was the IQ test.
 
2012-05-01 03:50:09 PM  
The two year old would have written a better headline.
 
2012-05-01 03:50:09 PM  

jaylectricity: PainInTheASP: Mensa? I can't believe that anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that old scam.

Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.


What if no one cares?
 
2012-05-01 03:50:18 PM  
Why do so many people put Mensa in all caps? It's not an acronym and looking around their website, I can't find anywhere that they use all caps though there are plenty of places where they don't even capitalize the first letter, which is kind of odd. Is everyone being ironic and I just don't get it?
 
2012-05-01 03:53:08 PM  
FTFA: "Meet Anthony Popa Urria. At two years and nine months, Anthony has a staggeringly high IQ score of 154, just a few points shy of the estimated IQs of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking."

This is where I stopped reading, because I understood then that the article as pure bullshiat. Einstein never had his IQ measured. Some people have have estimated it to be between 160 and 180, but this is only a swag. His actual IQ was probably much higher. Hawking thinks that IQ numbers are complete BS and that people who tout their IQ scores are losers. However, in college, he suffered a serious head injury and took an IQ test to make sure his mental acuity was returning to normal. He won't discuss it, but supposedly his IQ was estimated to be between 200 and 250.
 
2012-05-01 03:53:41 PM  
www.hardcoregaming101.net
 
2012-05-01 03:54:08 PM  

EngineerAU: Why do so many people put Mensa in all caps? It's not an acronym and looking around their website, I can't find anywhere that they use all caps though there are plenty of places where they don't even capitalize the first letter, which is kind of odd. Is everyone being ironic and I just don't get it?


Because if you write it "Mensa" it looks like a woman's name or a Gungan word.
and all the mensa tell you, Gungans words don't be looking too smarts.
 
2012-05-01 03:54:33 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-01 03:56:51 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: jaylectricity: PainInTheASP: Mensa? I can't believe that anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that old scam.

Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.

What if no one cares?


Well then, what would be the point of living?
 
2012-05-01 03:56:55 PM  

Sticky Hands: Because if you write it "Mensa" it looks like a woman's name or a Gungan word.


Female geniuses join WOMENSA. Wait, I meant to say "sheniuses".
 
2012-05-01 03:57:42 PM  

JackieRabbit: FTFA: "Meet Anthony Popa Urria. At two years and nine months, Anthony has a staggeringly high IQ score of 154, just a few points shy of the estimated IQs of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking."

This is where I stopped reading, because I understood then that the article as pure bullshiat. Einstein never had his IQ measured. Some people have have estimated it to be between 160 and 180, but this is only a swag. His actual IQ was probably much higher. Hawking thinks that IQ numbers are complete BS and that people who tout their IQ scores are losers. However, in college, he suffered a serious head injury and took an IQ test to make sure his mental acuity was returning to normal. He won't discuss it, but supposedly his IQ was estimated to be between 200 and 250.


The thing is, the IQ number isn't what matters, because there are so many rubrics of measurement. It's the percentile that counts. So, for example, I was 98th percentile in all categories except spatial reasoning, where I was 97th. Not a big deal, but a pet peeve of mine.

/you learn a lot of things working with a neuropsychologist
//you learn a lot of things trying to join MENSA
///including there's an awful lot of dumb "smart" people out there
 
2012-05-01 04:00:59 PM  
I feel badly for this kid. I was a smart kid, too -- not as advanced as the kid in the article, but I was reading at 3. Was consistently the top student in the school and was always a few grades ahead in math and science. Ended up being socially stunted and had an overinflated ego because of it, and so I was extremely lonely and miserable. Kept volunteering for difficult courses and projects I hated because I felt I had to in order to continue to prove that I was smart. Overextended myself in every way possible. Hated life. Thing is, I wasn't really a genius, just mentally advanced for my age, and by the time I got to university, people caught up to me. Realizing that I wasn't a super-genius pretty much shattered me, and I was severely depressed for a couple of years as I struggled to pull my own head out of my ass.

I'm glad that happened, because I look back on how unbearable and miserable I was growing up, and I just shake my head. Needed a kick to the face a lot sooner. And that was with parents who DIDN'T push me or pressure me very hard. This two-year-old being enrolled in MENSA and then in the papers about it = the parents want to show off their brilliant child. That kid is going to grow up in such a miserable, pressure-filled bubble... I do not envy him one bit.
 
2012-05-01 04:05:24 PM  

GnomePaladin: I'll admit it, I went and took the test about 10 years ago (it was offered at a local university during the summer) and got in. Paid my $40 for a year of membership and everything. I got on an email list for the local chapter and after a few messages from what appeared to be the most boring group of allegedly smart people ever to exist I just stopped reading them. Never even went to an outing or whatever they did/do to get together.

Still have the card though, fun to pull out and get a few laughs once in a while. Not sure to this day whether it was a scam or not, I didn't know anyone else in the test group so I couldn't find out if any of them actually didn't get in.

In summation: I am so smart, SMRT.

Alternate summation: CSB


I joined back in 1991 and had great fun finding pen pals through there. Made for very interesting letters to read, espeically from the members who were in prison. Nope, they didn't screen them out. Hey, a jury of 12 of your peers might have found you guilty, but that doesn't mean you're dumb.

After getting into grad school, I realized that most people who are smart and pursue education and careers naturally meet plenty of other smart folks to consort with. Thus, Mensa is for the intelligent but isolated or under-educated, who have to work to find a social circle at their intelligence leve. Mensans tend to be quite weird, socially clumsy and not all that interesting.

/and sometimes incarcerated
//very glad I had those letters delivered to my PO box
 
2012-05-01 04:06:53 PM  

Snakeophelia: Mensans tend to be quite weird, socially clumsy and not all that interesting.


like smart versions of software engineers.
 
2012-05-01 04:08:13 PM  
I've been in Mensa for over 30 years (also in Triple Nine).

A. There are dozens of standardized IQ tests that are internationally recognized.
B. IQ tests correlate strongly with General Intelligence, as recognized by professionals in the field.
C. General Intelligence correlates strongly with processing speed in the brain (fMRI).
D. Processing speed and high neural interconnectedness are always seen together. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Greenfield,_Baroness_Greenfield

I joined Mensa for social reasons and ended up marrying a Mensan (also a member of Triple Nine).
 
2012-05-01 04:09:10 PM  

imontheinternet: HotWingConspiracy: You can't compare IQ numbers across age groups.

very much this

I was a freaky genius when I was a little kid. These days, I'm lucky I remember to put my pants on every morning. I have no idea how it happened, but you can't argue with the results..


So, you used to be smart as a monkey, but now your dumb as a chimp?
 
2012-05-01 04:10:45 PM  

rocketpants: [i.imgur.com image 640x382]


No, not a qualifying score on any test.
 
2012-05-01 04:11:12 PM  
A good friend of mine was married to a topless dancer, and one day she threw a party at their place and invited all of her friends. My girlfriend made sure to come with me. Anyway, we were chatting with this gorgeous German girl, and when we asked what she did for a living, she told us she was a call girl. As the conversation progressed, she mentioned that she got into MENSA just to get some higher level clientele.
 
2012-05-01 04:13:19 PM  

Joe Peanut: she mentioned that she got into MENSA just to get some higher level clientele.


Smart girl.

/rimshot
 
2012-05-01 04:16:56 PM  

Dafodude: I actually AM in MENSA. I've never actually gone to any gatherings out of fear of running into the John Fitzgerald Page types. And I was high as a kite when I took the test, too.

I think it just means I'm good at taking standardized tests.


Exactly, there are all kinds of smart. One incident that comes to mind is a very intelligent accountant who thought the new batteries were defective because the flashlight didn't work. They were in backwards.
 
2012-05-01 04:17:07 PM  

natazha: I've been in Mensa for over 30 years (also in Triple Nine).

A. There are dozens of standardized IQ tests that are internationally recognized.
B. IQ tests correlate strongly with General Intelligence, as recognized by professionals in the field.
C. General Intelligence correlates strongly with processing speed in the brain (fMRI).
D. Processing speed and high neural interconnectedness are always seen together. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Greenfield,_Baroness_Greenfield

I joined Mensa for social reasons and ended up marrying a Mensan (also a member of Triple Nine).


So what diseases have you two cured?

Alternatively, what large university system / multinational corporation / think tank do you spearhead?

How many Macarthur grants? Nobel prizes?

Look, if you're just a member of the National Academy of Sciences, you don't have to be embarassed about it.
 
2012-05-01 04:18:00 PM  
So, what I'm learning from this thread is that if I want to hang around a bunch of condescending know-it-alls who think they're smarter than everyone else, I should just attend the next Fark Party.
 
2012-05-01 04:18:10 PM  

natazha: marrying a Mensan (also a member of Triple Nine).


made mensa level (whoopee do) But damn son, never known a 999. You guys are farking FREAKS..lol
 
2012-05-01 04:20:22 PM  

Sticky Hands: Snakeophelia: Mensans tend to be quite weird, socially clumsy and not all that interesting.

like smart versions of software engineers.


No different from software engineers actually. The both have an inflated sense of their own intelligence.

Scoring well on a test doesnt necessarily translate into being good at anything else.

Just as being very good at making computers work doesnt necessarily translate into being good at anything else.

The waitress I was just talking to has a better understanding of the world and how it works than any of the dozens of mensans I've met.
 
2012-05-01 04:20:57 PM  
www.wichitavortex.com
 
2012-05-01 04:22:56 PM  
Snakeophelia:
After getting into grad school, I realized that most people who are smart and pursue education and careers naturally meet plenty of other smart folks to consort with. Thus, Mensa is for the intelligent but isolated or under-educated, who have to work to find a social circle at their intelligence leve. Mensans tend to be quite weird, socially clumsy and not all that interesting.

/and sometimes incarcerated
//very glad I had those letters delivered to my PO box


My experience too. I've discovered a lot of mensans have very high intelligence, but low motivation, and poor decision making skills.
 
2012-05-01 04:25:19 PM  

rocketpants: [i.imgur.com image 640x382]


err dude...125 won't get you in.
2 std dev's required
/~130+ Stanford-Binet
 
2012-05-01 04:27:10 PM  
im gud with being smarterer then the rest uf you
 
2012-05-01 04:29:25 PM  
I actually am an official member, have been for 14 years.
 
2012-05-01 04:30:55 PM  

Sticky Hands: EngineerAU: Why do so many people put Mensa in all caps? It's not an acronym and looking around their website, I can't find anywhere that they use all caps though there are plenty of places where they don't even capitalize the first letter, which is kind of odd. Is everyone being ironic and I just don't get it?

Because if you write it "Mensa" it looks like a woman's name or a Gungan word.
and all the mensa tell you, Gungans words don't be looking too smarts.


Also, because in Spanish, Mensa means stupid girl. Makes me laugh every time someone brings up how smart Mensa members are supposed to be.
 
2012-05-01 04:36:11 PM  

betelgeux: Dafodude: I actually AM in MENSA. I've never actually gone to any gatherings out of fear of running into the John Fitzgerald Page types. And I was high as a kite when I took the test, too.

I think it just means I'm good at taking standardized tests.

This is the post I was waiting for. I have three favorite fark threads, in no particular order.
1. Intelligence/MENSA threads. Farkers congregate and tell everyone how they're members of
MENSA/tested off the charts in IQ tests but can't tie their own shoes, hold down a meaningful job
and do daffy things like put their cell phones in the fridge and answer their beer can.

2. Penis size threads, pretty much for the same reason as above. I'm so large that when it comes
time for me to be intimate, the woman or man says they're not interested in internal injuries or
having their jawbones dislocated. No mention of doing daffy things with their immense penises like
prying up some pavement and forgetting to use the jackhammer on the job.

3. Beer threads, because who the hell don't like beer? I'll even go as far as saying Smartypants
McMissiledong is a beer drinker which makes him OK in my book.


You'll really like me then. I like to read my MENSA mag while doing a keg stand before deep throating my man.
 
2012-05-01 04:37:28 PM  
DENSA points and laughs.

/and by "points" i mean picks their nose
 
2012-05-01 04:41:48 PM  

betelgeux: Smartypants
McMissiledong


There's my new band name...
 
2012-05-01 04:43:59 PM  

mr lawson: rocketpants: [i.imgur.com image 640x382]

err dude...125 won't get you in.
2 std dev's required
/~130+ Stanford-Binet


Maybe we should apply similar entry restrictions to the White House.
 
2012-05-01 04:50:32 PM  

rocketpants: Maybe we should apply similar entry restrictions to the White House.


won't get an argument out of me
 
2012-05-01 04:51:58 PM  

Duskwuffie: MENSA = Mentally and Emotionally Narcissistic Subhuman Assholes.


So you got in, right?
 
2012-05-01 04:53:52 PM  

natazha: (also a member of Triple Nine).


Feeling a bit insecure are we?
 
2012-05-01 04:56:46 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Feeling a bit insecure are we?


Feel a little bit threaten?
 
2012-05-01 05:00:29 PM  
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
 
2012-05-01 05:06:42 PM  
Once again, Farkers are off the charts. Doesn't matter if it's height, wealth, charitable giving or IQ's.
 
2012-05-01 05:10:08 PM  
Why would I be embarrassed? I am jealous! If my "giftedness"had been identified when in school, I would have been sent to another school where I wasn't bored all day long and where I could learn something from the teachers.
 
2012-05-01 05:13:30 PM  
Nice of you to rub it in to the rest of us normals
 
2012-05-01 05:38:02 PM  
Member of MENSA and still shiats his pants. Methinks there may be a flaw in their membership selection process.
 
2012-05-01 05:39:07 PM  
Sure it's been said, but the Mensa test is whether you're dumb enough to pay for a certificate and membership to an organisation that means presicely nothing in the real world...
 
2012-05-01 05:50:43 PM  
Irrelevant, but made me think my entry to an '04 PS contest, "Unlikely Nascar Sponsors"

i8.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-01 05:52:54 PM  
"of", that is.

/long day serving jury duty....
 
2012-05-01 05:55:35 PM  
I'm a member and I've never been to a meeting. In fact, I don't personally know any Mensans other than myself.

I just pay the membership dues every year so I have the right to walk around the office with a Mensa mug or 'accidentally' fling my membership card out of my wallet and onto the counter when paying for my coffee at Starbucks.

/Oops, that's not my debit card.
//Why yes, baby, I am a member of Mensa
 
2012-05-01 05:57:52 PM  
My question. are they available for sex
 
2012-05-01 06:06:14 PM  
I took an IQ test at age seven. My parents never gave me the results, but afterward the school skipped me ahead one grade and put me in the gifted program. So I'm thinking I could join Mensa, if I gave half a crap. (this is an AW thread, isn't it?)
 
2012-05-01 06:27:43 PM  
What's funny is that I read this link earlier today in the monthly Mensa email, but I'm not a member. Well, not a proper one.

I slept in a Holiday Inn Express once and they granted me an honorary life membership. The annual members have to pay for pretzels when we go to bars but lifetime members get all the free pretzels they can eat.
 
2012-05-01 06:59:40 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: You can't compare IQ numbers across age groups.


Sure you can. You might not get any meaningful data, but you can do it.
 
2012-05-01 07:04:10 PM  

jcadam: I'm a member and I've never been to a meeting. In fact, I don't personally know any Mensans other than myself.

I just pay the membership dues every year so I have the right to walk around the office with a Mensa mug or 'accidentally' fling my membership card out of my wallet and onto the counter when paying for my coffee at Starbucks.

/Oops, that's not my debit card.
//Why yes, baby, I am a member of Mensa


I took the test to qualify in high school just to be able to say that I got in. Was registered for about a year before I realized it was kind of stupid.

/Not sure where my card is anymore
 
2012-05-01 07:22:59 PM  

bad_blood: there are a ton of different tests that can get you in, some just being spatial. So if the kid is really good at puzzles, it could be enough.

I'll reserve judgement until I see him at the local OATH mixer.

http://www.oathsociety.com/


There's a society for computer security professionals?

/ohh... oath not oauth
 
2012-05-01 07:23:25 PM  
Fark an adult with the IQ of a 2 year old? Crime.
Fark a 2 year old with an IQ of and adult? Crime.

/You can't win.
//Yeah, over there.
///It's a reserved seat, thank you.
 
2012-05-01 07:53:32 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Actually, MENSA started lowering their standards many years ago. There is actually another organization, a "MENSA-+", so to speak, for those truly exceptional intellect who have tired of the droll, predictable nature of pedants who believe a sub-160 IQ is even worth mentioning, much less celebrating with an "exclusive membership." But I can't really say much more about it other than that if you haven't received an invitation yet, you probably shouldn't expect one.


Hipster troll?
 
2012-05-01 07:53:50 PM  
I used to be a Mensa member. A 2-year old will fit right in.
 
2012-05-01 07:55:13 PM  
Mensa is like anything else.. you get out of it what you put into it. The GenX (I'm too young) and Gen-Y (I'm almost too old) group have a pretty solid collection of people that I'm proud to call internet friends. I've met a few in passing, but they're decidedly out of my age group. There can be a lot of jerks; arrogance runs freely. But the value in membership is that, as a rule, most people have well reasoned throught processes, and many have been "through it", either in crappy public or private school, or crappy jobs, as somebody who gets easily bored (or has Aspies, ADD, etc).

The idea that you can't compare anything with an IQ number is silly, and patently false. While, yes, it's a false benchmark, the relative intelligence of people you meet in the real world most certainly correlate with their supposed IQ numbers. Coincidently, Mensa doesn't use, internally, an "IQ" test. And you never get your score. Also, for the US test, if you don't know what a spark plug is, you're kind of screwed.

Nowhere outside of the group have I regularly met the kind of people who go through life like me: introverted but still social; intensely interested in one hobby for 3-4 weeks where you learn everything about it then move on; back-to-nature recurve archers next to hippies next to Nugents next to militant Green Peace members. If you qualify for Gen-Y/Gen-X based on year, I actually encourage you to join. It's not the "everybody is an a**hole" aspect of Mensa that's fun; it's the conversations, and the fact that one of the regional gatherings this year is supposed to have a "chocolate sex fountain", if I'm remembering the term right. Mensa is about a giant group of eclectic people who embrace the same in others.

And, if you sign up, get on the mailing lists and such, then stop paying your dues....well...SIG coordinators are also "lazy", we'll say, and probably won't remove you very fast.
 
2012-05-01 07:59:31 PM  

bad_blood: there are a ton of different tests that can get you in, some just being spatial. So if the kid is really good at puzzles, it could be enough.

I'll reserve judgement until I see him at the local OATH mixer.

http://www.oathsociety.com/


Looks like they're not smart enough to create a half decent site.

/I passed judgement the moment I saw page1
 
2012-05-01 08:02:30 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Is there actually a valid "no bullshiat" IQ test that is recognized throughout the USA? Too many ones out there to believe them as accurate.


The standard test in the US is the WAIS-IV (for adults; there's also a version for children).
 
2012-05-01 08:45:19 PM  
I went to one meeting after they invited me to their "group". Sorry, but I couldn't fit in the room with all those egos. There were a couple of people there to hang out with but, no, it just wasn't worth it.

I'm just not a "join a social club" kinda guy, I guess.
 
2012-05-01 08:59:31 PM  
I didn't take a test. I wouldn't get in. In fact, I got on the internet tonight for something else but started at Fark and it took me awhile to remember why I'm here. Not 'why I'm here' as an existential question. I really want to know why I got home from work and sat in this seat and still haven't done or seen one thing other than what you knuckleheads have to say about stuff. You think there's a fracking club for me? Jesus Christ I don't even think I've taken a leak in forever but it doesn't matter because you usually have to eat or drink something in order to need a bathroom. Club? I don't need a club to tell me how smart I am. I already know. I'm not. Up your ass. Chicken wings.
 
2012-05-01 09:05:23 PM  
I used to be a member of Mensa, but realized that it wasn't what I wanted in a social group. My main biatch is that they're stubbornly committed to NOT having a political agenda. Instead of a mutual-aid society like the Freemasons where smarty-pants folks conspire to help each other to conquer the world (or at least make out like bandits), it's a bunch of people playing Boggle or Charades. Not bad for idle chit-chat, but I think I'd rather join the Skull 'n' Crossbones gang. I did meet a few cool people from the local Mensa and they're indifferent to the fact that I'm an ex-member. Oh, well...
 
2012-05-01 09:11:08 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I didn't take a test. I wouldn't get in. In fact, I got on the internet tonight for something else but started at Fark and it took me awhile to remember why I'm here. Not 'why I'm here' as an existential question. I really want to know why I got home from work and sat in this seat and still haven't done or seen one thing other than what you knuckleheads have to say about stuff. You think there's a fracking club for me? Jesus Christ I don't even think I've taken a leak in forever but it doesn't matter because you usually have to eat or drink something in order to need a bathroom. Club? I don't need a club to tell me how smart I am. I already know. I'm not. Up your ass. Chicken wings.


I took the exam. Paid to get in. Took the exam and turned it in knowing I would get in. Fun fact: I didn't use my real name or anything on the entrance papers. So . . . tolololololo
./and enjoy not knowing who all the smarties are, NSA.
///Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Smarties.
 
2012-05-01 09:11:43 PM  

vudukungfu: Nana's Vibrator: I didn't take a test. I wouldn't get in. In fact, I got on the internet tonight for something else but started at Fark and it took me awhile to remember why I'm here. Not 'why I'm here' as an existential question. I really want to know why I got home from work and sat in this seat and still haven't done or seen one thing other than what you knuckleheads have to say about stuff. You think there's a fracking club for me? Jesus Christ I don't even think I've taken a leak in forever but it doesn't matter because you usually have to eat or drink something in order to need a bathroom. Club? I don't need a club to tell me how smart I am. I already know. I'm not. Up your ass. Chicken wings.

I took the exam. Paid to get in. Took the exam and turned it in knowing I would get in. Fun fact: I didn't use my real name or anything on the entrance papers. So . . . tolololololo
./and enjoy not knowing who all the smarties are, NSA.
///Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Smarties.

 
2012-05-01 09:12:42 PM  
Was I supposed ot add an Are Ah to the tololololol?

rats.
Mensa + drunk posting = fail.
Trolorlolrolololol
 
2012-05-01 09:13:55 PM  
I haven't read any comments, but I would guess based on past posts by other Farker's...around 98% put themselves in that catagory...
Another thought, they would also try to argue with this two year old (no, not me) from the article to tell the little tyke just who is smarter and maybe even try to have a which beer is better converation...
 
2012-05-01 09:17:32 PM  

LivefromGA: I haven't read any comments, but I would guess based on past posts by other Farker's...around 98% put themselves in that catagory...
Another thought, they would also try to argue with this two year old (no, not me) from the article to tell the little tyke just who is smarter and maybe even try to have a which beer is better converation...


Inappropriate use of apostrophe

Sorry, you're out.
 
2012-05-01 09:17:34 PM  
In Mensa and Triple Nine.

Yet to find a single person who cares, including me. Took tests for kicks and grins.
 
2012-05-01 09:19:18 PM  
As I've told countless people. Intelligence is over-rated. Hard work is not.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:46 PM  
OK I'm about to commit the ultimate sin and post something kind of serious on FARK but here goes-
If I was 6'11" and I offered to help someone get something off the top shelf they would be appreciative. If I could bench press 400lbs and I wore tight tank tops to show off my muscles people would admire them. If I was a good mechanic and I told the people around me that I was, they would be happy to know it and call on me when their cars broke down. If I was an awesome football player and wore jock gear and talked about sports all the time other guys would worship the ground I walk on. If, however, I happen to let on that I'm really smart people label me as arrogant and shun me.
I'm good at learning. That's all. What other folks have to study and practice just comes natural to me. In high school I'd read the text book, sleep through class, skip the homework, then ace the exam and pass the semester with a C. My teachers mostly hated me for that. I blew grading curves all the time so the other students tended to hate me too.
Sometimes I slip-up and say 'smart' things at the wrong time and people get really weird and intimidated. I grew up kind of poor and I've noticed it much more with lower income folks- like being smart is somehow an insult to them. It affects every aspect of life. Bosses resent you and think you're after their job. Significant others resent the fact that you are right about silly little trivial things most of the time. My father doesn't 'get' me and thinks I'm just weird (OK- I am weird but I'm not just weird).
I'd rather live in a world where being smart was just another skill set to be used when appropriate, but I know that won't happen. I was doing some kitchen chemistry experiments with my young nephew when he said 'Uncle redsquid, I wish I had your brain'. It really made me think. I love that kid and I want him to be happy and successful. I wouldn't wish 'genius' on him.
I'd trade 50 IQ point tomorrow for faith in Jesus and a love of sports. Really-no snark at all.
 
2012-05-01 09:25:39 PM  
Sample sizes can be deceiving. He might be smart for his age, but a 2-yr old with a 150 IQ is only as smart as a 3 yr old.

Also, to paraphrase Dilbert, being a genius has surprisingly few practical applications, and having a 150 IQ doesn't make life any more fun.
 
2012-05-01 09:29:04 PM  
many licensed drivers consider themselves excellent behind the wheel when in reality they are not.

there was a line that Burt Reynolds had in 'Smokey and the Bandit', something about how smart he appears all depends on who he is standing next to.

the gift of birth i received was a good imagination. i'm also willing to go mouth to ass on a first date, i don't care, i'll do it. everyone loves a rimjob.
 
2012-05-01 09:35:09 PM  
It's smarter to be lucky than it is lucky to be smart
 
2012-05-01 09:42:54 PM  
My IQ qualifies for admission, but I am too intelligent to join such an organization.

Groucho Said it best.... I would not join any organization that would have me as a member!
 
2012-05-01 09:47:20 PM  

MaliFinn: Sample sizes can be deceiving. He might be smart for his age, but a 2-yr old with a 150 IQ is only as smart as a 3 yr old.

Also, to paraphrase Dilbert, being a genius has surprisingly few practical applications, and having a 150 IQ doesn't make life any more fun.


in fact, it makes it less fun.

I have no citations, so please omit the xkcd cartoon, but I remember reading an article stating that beyond a seperation of 2 standard deviations, relationships were nearly impossible to maintain. so, a person with an IQ 2 standards above the norm (~130) would have to limit his or her dating pool to those who are in the top 50% in terms of intellect. this isn't so bad. But when you jump another standard deviation to the right (~145) that limits your dating pool to the top 14%. a person with an IQ of 145 dating a person with an IQ of 100 is analogous to a person with an IQ of 100 person dating someone with an IQ of 55.
 
2012-05-01 10:03:59 PM  
Possibly of interest, but a bit smug and TLDR-
Link
 
2012-05-01 10:34:38 PM  

redsquid: OK I'm about to commit the ultimate sin and post something kind of serious on FARK but here goes...


I think it is more something along the lines of all the above mentioned things, the tall, strong, athletic, mechanically inclined are all things that someone can, for the most part, demonstratively prove through visual inspection. Here on fark, and maybe you're not talking about just fark, it's easy for some blowhard to spout off about how brilliant they are. It's usually tempered with some self deprecating statement about how they reluctantly earned the title but don't do anything with it. There's the usual statement about how the test was taken on a goof while they were either; drunk, high, asleep, comatose, or legally dead. People really grow tired of hearing how smart the speaker claims to be. I know I hate hearing how smart "you" are without something to back it up such as helping me find a matrix that puts some other matrix in Jordan canonical form.

In summation, the self proclaimed geniuses here laying it on is no different than listening to some guy at the bar talk about how when he leaves there he'll be polishing his CMH, simultaneously waxing his Porsche and the ass of a supermodel and then going to the gym in 26 minutes. I included the C in CMH because it's an indicator that people are usually full of it and it's transparent.
 
2012-05-01 10:59:19 PM  

betelgeux: redsquid: OK I'm about to commit the ultimate sin and post something kind of serious on FARK but here goes...

I think it is more something along the lines of all the above mentioned things, the tall, strong, athletic, mechanically inclined are all things that someone can, for the most part, demonstratively prove through visual inspection. Here on fark, and maybe you're not talking about just fark, it's easy for some blowhard to spout off about how brilliant they are. It's usually tempered with some self deprecating statement about how they reluctantly earned the title but don't do anything with it. There's the usual statement about how the test was taken on a goof while they were either; drunk, high, asleep, comatose, or legally dead. People really grow tired of hearing how smart the speaker claims to be. I know I hate hearing how smart "you" are without something to back it up such as helping me find a matrix that puts some other matrix in Jordan canonical form.

In summation, the self proclaimed geniuses here laying it on is no different than listening to some guy at the bar talk about how when he leaves there he'll be polishing his CMH, simultaneously waxing his Porsche and the ass of a supermodel and then going to the gym in 26 minutes. I included the C in CMH because it's an indicator that people are usually full of it and it's transparent.


I'm with you, but I was talking about IRL more than ITG. People may rightly label you as arrogant for bragging about how smart you are, but they can get downright hostile when you show them how smart you are, even when they asked for your help to begin with.
 
2012-05-01 11:43:44 PM  

LivefromGA: I haven't read any comments, but I would guess based on past posts by other Farker's...around 98% put themselves in that catagory...


I love the IQ threads. I had no idea so many geniuses gathered in one place. it's almost like........a Mensa meeting.

Pocket Ninja: jaylectricity: Listen buddy, when you can claim that you've been published in Who's Who Among American High School Students, come back and talk to me.
You know what's really sad, though? Not that there are those losers in life who haven't been published in that, because we all know there are. But that some of the people who do earn this achievement then fail to make it into the next volume, Who's Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities. I can't even imagine how sad it must be to hit such a height in high school and then never achieve anything of note again. How it must feel to be 20 and staring a life of abject failure and despair full-on, I'm glad I can only imagine. *shudder*


It's actually not that bad. Because, you know, you don't know about it then. And you're 20.
 
2012-05-01 11:52:49 PM  
I'd trade 50 IQ point tomorrow for faith in Jesus and a love of sports ...

Know how I know you are not Intelligent?

Sorry, it had to be said....
 
2012-05-02 12:06:45 AM  

yhetti: Mensa is like anything else.. you get out of it what you put into it. The GenX (I'm too young) and Gen-Y (I'm almost too old) group have a pretty solid collection of people that I'm proud to call internet friends.


I'm a little too tired to tell who's earnest and who's just trolling, but nevertheless I'll out myself. I took the test in 2000 (on a Saturday morning after I had been out drinking for St. Patrick's Day the night before) just to see if I could pass it. And I did, back when they actually did give you your score. For about seven years, it was basically just a card in my wallet. Then the local Gen X coordinator (I'm in both Gen X and Gen Y) started sending out invites to meetups like bowling or apple picking or the corn maze or something, so I went to a few, met some people, and then started going to gatherings.

When you first go to a gathering, your natural inclination is to try to impress everyone with how smart you are, because after all it's this is that group of smart people you've heard about for so many years and you want to prove to them as well as to yourself that you belong. But you soon realize that no one really cares and so you get over that urge pretty quickly. I used to play up the Mensa angle in my day-to-day life after I first got in, but that's something I pretty much stopped doing a long time ago.

Sure, what you've heard about the disproportionate share of weirdos, oddballs, and creeps is absolutely true, but you can tell who they are and (usually) avoid them accordingly (though if you're a cute chick, that may be easier said than done). There also seems to be much more intrigue surrounding Mensa politics than real politics, which fascinates me -- not the Mensa politics per se, in which I have almost zero interest, but just how some people get so worked up over Mensa politics.

After a few gatherings you're essentially just meeting up with a circle of friends. I just came back from a gathering this past weekend. It wasn't, "I'm going up there to massage my ego and lord my intelligence over the hotel staff and presume that I know the answers to life, the universe, and everything because we're so much better than everybody else and why aren't you kissing my feet already and oh yeah that's because you're not allowed in here." It was, "Hey, I'm going to see Rob and Jen and Leon and Caroline and Andrew and Kerry and Mark and Peter and Virginia and John and Marianne and Bob, play a few games, maybe enter a trivia contest, and drink a lot." Almost a quarter of my Facebook list is Mensa people (outnumbering Farkers by almost 10 to 1), every single one of whom I've actually met. I know people in at least 22 states I wouldn't know otherwise. It's a series of weekend-long parties a few times a year. And in many respects, it's really no different than hanging out with my Fark friends at a Fark party.
 
2012-05-02 01:52:19 AM  
A group of smart people? Fascinating. Let me know they get around to actually using that brilliance to solve some problems.

/goes back to reading immunology paper

And no, that's not 'look at me, I'm smart, I read scientific papers', its 'See this? This paper? This is what smart groups of people do with their time. They create papers like this and share them, so that others might benefit.'
 
2012-05-02 03:06:05 AM  
Honest question: Is it true that guys like Hawking & Einstein only have IQs in the 160-170 range? Because that's just a little surprising to me... Depending on which test you ise, my IQ ranges about 145-150, but I have MANY friends with documented IQs that are consistently in the 150-160 range. But...they really don't seem all that smart - CERTAINLY not Hawking/Einstein smart!

Is that true? If so, how on earth can you explain the vast legions of people with IQ's in the 150+ range who are dumber than a box of rocks?
 
2012-05-02 03:18:38 AM  

redsquid: OK I'm about to commit the ultimate sin and post something kind of serious on FARK but here goes-
If I was 6'11" and I offered to help someone get something off the top shelf they would be appreciative. If I could bench press 400lbs and I wore tight tank tops to show off my muscles people would admire them. If I was a good mechanic and I told the people around me that I was, they would be happy to know it and call on me when their cars broke down. If I was an awesome football player and wore jock gear and talked about sports all the time other guys would worship the ground I walk on. If, however, I happen to let on that I'm really smart people label me as arrogant and shun me.
I'm good at learning. That's all. What other folks have to study and practice just comes natural to me. In high school I'd read the text book, sleep through class, skip the homework, then ace the exam and pass the semester with a C. My teachers mostly hated me for that. I blew grading curves all the time so the other students tended to hate me too.
Sometimes I slip-up and say 'smart' things at the wrong time and people get really weird and intimidated. I grew up kind of poor and I've noticed it much more with lower income folks- like being smart is somehow an insult to them. It affects every aspect of life. Bosses resent you and think you're after their job. Significant others resent the fact that you are right about silly little trivial things most of the time. My father doesn't 'get' me and thinks I'm just weird (OK- I am weird but I'm not just weird).
I'd rather live in a world where being smart was just another skill set to be used when appropriate, but I know that won't happen. I was doing some kitchen chemistry experiments with my young nephew when he said 'Uncle redsquid, I wish I had your brain'. It really made me think. I love that kid and I want him to be happy and successful. I wouldn't wish 'genius' on him.
I'd trade 50 IQ point tomorrow for faith in Jesus and a love of s ...


If I wasn't already married...

Seriously (no snark!), I totally agree with you and empathize.

Maybe that's the key to real happiness: surround yourself with people who are similar to you. If your significant other has a similarly high IQ, you get to have awesome conversations instead of resentment. But it's hard, especially if you grew up in a poorer family. You have the IQ that's normally associated with a higher SES, but you have the life experience of someone with a lower SES. It would be hard to find a place to fit in.

There's always Fark! :)
 
2012-05-02 07:16:03 AM  

morgantx: redsquid: OK I'm about to commit the ultimate sin and post something kind of serious on FARK but here goes-
If I was 6'11" and I offered to help someone get something off the top shelf they would be appreciative. If I could bench press 400lbs and I wore tight tank tops to show off my muscles people would admire them. If I was a good mechanic and I told the people around me that I was, they would be happy to know it and call on me when their cars broke down. If I was an awesome football player and wore jock gear and talked about sports all the time other guys would worship the ground I walk on. If, however, I happen to let on that I'm really smart people label me as arrogant and shun me.
I'm good at learning. That's all. What other folks have to study and practice just comes natural to me. In high school I'd read the text book, sleep through class, skip the homework, then ace the exam and pass the semester with a C. My teachers mostly hated me for that. I blew grading curves all the time so the other students tended to hate me too.
Sometimes I slip-up and say 'smart' things at the wrong time and people get really weird and intimidated. I grew up kind of poor and I've noticed it much more with lower income folks- like being smart is somehow an insult to them. It affects every aspect of life. Bosses resent you and think you're after their job. Significant others resent the fact that you are right about silly little trivial things most of the time. My father doesn't 'get' me and thinks I'm just weird (OK- I am weird but I'm not just weird).
I'd rather live in a world where being smart was just another skill set to be used when appropriate, but I know that won't happen. I was doing some kitchen chemistry experiments with my young nephew when he said 'Uncle redsquid, I wish I had your brain'. It really made me think. I love that kid and I want him to be happy and successful. I wouldn't wish 'genius' on him.
I'd trade 50 IQ point tomorrow for faith in Jesus and a ...


There is a certain castigation of intelligence. I posted this above, but I landed in the 98th percentile using the WAIS. I mentioned it only once, to my wife, who now uses that whenever she feels I'm too sure of myself. Intelligent jokes or conversations are a non-starter with a lot of people I know (I referenced the Maginot Line once and got blank stares), and my students all put on my report OMG, SO SMART as if they were flabbergasted to come across an intelligent person.

I live in rural Virginia, so this might change if I move somewhere else, but right now, being smart is a real pain the ass. I usually have to dumb myself down.
 
2012-05-02 08:05:29 AM  
They also let a little girl in recently, but I think she was 5 or 6

/Too old
 
2012-05-02 09:08:58 AM  
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2012-05-01 12:06:03 PM


Actually, MENSA started lowering their standards many years ago. There is actually another organization, a "MENSA-+", so to speak, for those truly exceptional intellect who have tired of the droll, predictable nature of pedants who believe a sub-160 IQ is even worth mentioning, much less celebrating with an "exclusive membership." But I can't really say much more about it other than that if you haven't received an invitation yet, you probably shouldn't expect one.




Doesn't anyone here EVER call this guy out?
 
2012-05-02 09:17:39 AM  
I am by far the smartest person in the history of this planet.

And damn does it ever suck being surrounded all day, every day by you farking tards.
 
2012-05-02 10:25:12 AM  
Discussions about IQ and intelligence always crack me up... I never see people get so defensive/jealous/YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME!1!!1one!!!1! about any subject as much as this.

People are smarter than you. This makes them able to do a lot of things better than you. Get over it.
 
2012-05-02 10:40:13 AM  

yhetti: Nowhere outside of the group have I regularly met the kind of people who go through life like me: introverted but still social; intensely interested in one hobby for 3-4 weeks where you learn everything about it then move on; back-to-nature recurve archers next to hippies next to Nugents next to militant Green Peace members. If you qualify for Gen-Y/Gen-X based on year, I actually encourage you to join. It's not the "everybody is an a**hole" aspect of Mensa that's fun; it's the conversations, and the fact that one of the regional gatherings this year is supposed to have a "chocolate sex fountain", if I'm remembering the term right. Mensa is about a giant group of eclectic people who embrace the same in others.


I'm exactly the same way, almost to the point of frustration. It actually puts some serious self doubts into my head, because I question why I cant dedicate to something for a very long time like a lot of people. Its nice to know its a problem other people have. Ive only been friends with one other similar person, but he had some rather serious character flaws that staled our friendship over time.

/Was asked if I wanted to join mensa when I was younger. Didnt see the point.
 
2012-05-02 10:56:17 AM  
I joined MENSA to socialize. I know, I know, stop laughing.

/never paid my dues again
//met my best friend in life there, though, so that's something
 
2012-05-02 11:37:20 AM  

doubled99: Doesn't anyone here EVER call this guy out?


You actually think he's serious?
 
2012-05-02 11:51:30 AM  

morgantx: redsquid: ...


My advice to any young, single, smart Farkers out there is to be very careful about who you marry. I knew my wife socially for over 10 years before we ended up dating and getting married. I always had a crush on her- she was kind of my dream girl. She was cool and cute. Well... cute fades and cool stops being important but smart lasts forever. I love my wife but it is trying sometimes. I used to have smart, hip friends to converse with but when you get married and grow up your friends go their own way and drift off and you're left with that person you married. Think it out and make sure that what you have is really what you will want forever because it can get really lonely when it's just you and her and she's not into the same things you are. Having a partner to share your journey is a lot more rewarding than having a passenger who can't understand why you can't put the notebook down or why last years passion for circuit design turned into this years passion for boat building which is soon becoming a need learn welding but none of it actually brings in an income. If I hear 'I just don't understand- you're so smart you could get a job anywhere if you just applied yourself' one more time I just may explode. 2 corinthians 6:14 'Be ye not unevenly yoked...' applies to much more than just old jewish fairy tales. Remember kids- one day you'll want to have an actual conversation.
 
2012-05-02 12:47:12 PM  

lake_huron: ProEugenics: tomatoe

Clearly another MENSA member.

/Yes, I know that good orthography != intelligence
//Was that intentional? was [thatthejoke.jpg]? It's hard to tell around here.


It was meant as a reference to one of our most brilliant Vice Presidents (althought I remembered later that it was "potatoe")
 
2012-05-02 01:09:36 PM  

morgantx: redsquid: OK I'm about to commit the ultimate sin and post something kind of serious on FARK but here goes-


betelgeux has basically the right answer. Everyone agrees that a 6'11" guy is tall. Everyone agrees that if you can bench 400, you're strong. There's no universally agreed-upon measure of intelligence or knowledge, though. And because most people are, forgive me, smart enough to understand that, the guy who's blustering away about his high IQ or his SATs or his Ph.D sounds like a pathetic jerk trying to assert his superiority.

More than that, though--how can I put this? There's a classic psych experiment where a group of subjects are given a task to do, where there's an objective measure of their performance. (It can be almost anything--alphabetizing things very quickly, driving tests, memory tests, etc.) Some of the subjects are highly skilled in the task and have professional experience with it. Some have a passing familiarity with the task, and some have none at all. After the task is completed, but without being told their scores, the subjects are asked to rate their own performance, and to estimate how it would compare to the average person's ability. Here's how it breaks down.

• The experts know they've done very well, and correctly predict that they're among the best.
• The people in the middle of the bell curve--mostly people who are generally familiar with the task but not especially skilled in it--believe they've done very poorly, and assume that they're among the worst.
• The people with the least ability--who are unfamiliar with the task and/or have the least innate aptitude--believe they've done well, and assume that they're considerably above average at this task.

The reason for the worst performers thinking they're among the best isn't arrogance; you can take the same people and give them a different task, and they'll behave according to their actual skill level on that task, too. The reason that the worst performers so badly misjudge their ability is that their innate lack of skill causes them to fundamentally misunderstand the parameters by which they're being judged. They're so oblivious to what they're supposed to be doing that they have no basis for understanding the mistakes they're making on that particular task, so they assume they're doing well. Whereas if you have even a little bit of aptitude, all of a sudden you understand how far short of perfection you're falling.

When I read what you've said about yourself, I don't see someone who's mistaken about his "intelligence." I'm sure you're pretty smart in the various ways you've identified, and if you think you're intellectually curious, well, you probably are.

But I do get the sense that you're severely misjudging the cause of your social problems. People are intimidated by your intelligence. They're annoyed by your intelligence. They think you're coming after their job with your brain. It's what's making your marriage so hard. It's why other people retreat into "fairy tales." It's why you get called "weird." And the only one who appreciates you for your best quality is a sweet little boy who hasn't yet learned that the Gammas and Deltas are supposed to hate the Alphas.

Like most people, I think of myself as smarter than most people. Perhaps more than most, I can point to grades and degrees and jobs that you'd associate with a "smart person." But in all my years of smartitude, I've never once managed to open my mouth and "intimidate" the "lower classes" with the raw force of my intellect. I've never once "slipped up" or "happened to let on" that I was smart, as though I were Clark Kent and my glasses fell off for a split-second. I've never accidentally responded with a synopsis of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory when someone asked me if I watched the game last night. There are plenty of people who tell me they think I'm smart, and more than a couple who think I'm not so smart, or anyway nothing special, but they form that opinion gradually. And it doesn't override everything else they think about me as a person.

In other words, if people are resentful and suspicious and offended and intimidated and weirded out by you, it may not be your intelligence that's the cause. It may be that that's just the most flattering explanation you can come up with.
 
2012-05-02 07:37:28 PM  
Prof. Ann Marion , you were my teacher. Sorry about your ****.
 
2012-05-03 02:21:42 PM  

Duskwuffie: Prof. Ann Marion , you were my teacher. Sorry about your ****.


Thank you for remembering and sharing your concern of my ****. Truth be told, my **** is a congenital problem. I've tried to ^^^^^^ with my **** but there's a certain degree of chafing involved with that process. Specialists recommended rubbing ###### on my **** in hopes that color and swelling change, but much like your +++++++, my **** is probably going to stay the way it is. Thankfully, though, unlike your +++++++, my **** doesn't cause me to be a -------- with at @@@@ that drips %%%%%%%% every time your ~~~~~~ hits a == with a >>>>>>. For that, you have my full pity...
 
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