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2012-05-01 02:34:03 PM  
FTA: US Air Force's airmen, the world's most elite...

Second most elite. They don't land on one of these.
www.militaryfactory.com

They also have a tendancy to not win against the Navy in practice dogfights.

Of course, Lockheed design wasn't always pretty, but sometimes you just want your shiat to work.(Of course, if they'd stop coming out with major new upgrades that are full of flaws, it probably would, but that's another story)
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-01 02:34:28 PM  

madgonad: It might have something to do with the fact that because the damn planes cost so much they will never get to fight when the next international squable breaks out. Pilots don't just want to fly training missions and admire sexy airplanes in hangers. They want the chance to test their mettle against our adversaries, and frankly, the only thing that will drag the F22 out of the hanger is a war against China. So if a pilot wants combat citations and medals - they ain't gonna get them flying an F22.




Only my supposition, but the AF also announced that since several of the incidents weren't hypoxia, they want to study the medical condition of the f-22 pilots. What could go wrong, if they dig into your medical situation ?? (maybe no more flying of any type.

Plus, F-22 is a limited scope. 180 AC. Only so much room.

The F-35 is over 10,000 flight hours and is through much of it's testing. That may be the program to get into. Still uses OBOGS, and has been up to 40,000 ft.
 
2012-05-01 02:34:44 PM  
Warthog? SR-71?

Cobra planes.
 
2012-05-01 02:35:53 PM  

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The P38 Lightning
[www.military-aircraft.org.uk image 640x310]

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
[www.fas.org image 640x374]

And the most beautiful and magestic of any aircraft mankind has ever conviced, the SR-71 Blackbird.
[www.militaryfactory.com image 640x459]



The F22 however does seem to be a bit... lacking in it's grandeur.


You forgot the best part- the A-10 is still in service and no one has ever been able to match the SR-71/Oxcart family in terms of performance (though other technologies rendering the concept obsolete did probably kill any viable competitors the SR-71 might have had otherwise).
 
2012-05-01 02:36:31 PM  

way south: A "Very small" number... How small, exactly?

/One guy with a fetish for cargo planes?
/Article smells of bullshiat.


More like a bunch of guys that don't like it when their plane's oxygen system goes tits-up, and they crash.
 
2012-05-01 02:36:43 PM  
That may be the case, but I was speaking more from a raw technology POV, no so much about surveillance.
 
2012-05-01 02:39:53 PM  
i.imgur.com

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purdy
 
2012-05-01 02:40:34 PM  

CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.


Right, those engineers are DEAD by now and all that's left are some "tweeners", guys that got their degree between sliderules and computers.

Isn't this the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR aircraft?

Link

I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah I'm sure of it.

I'd just like to point out that for the afore mentioned ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure WORLD HUNGER a few times. I mean actually cure it. To cure world hunger you need 300 billion so with ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure world hunger, pay off the kickbacks to congress, the senate and all the world leaders that stand to lose out exploiting the hungry for their own evil ends and still actually make definitive progress against world hunger. After which everyone would be so freakin' grateful you wouldn't need the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX because people would GIVE us oil and buy all the GMO produce and cheap defective crap we make. Terrorism would be a bad thing of the past because the previously evil 'mericans are actually pretty nice guys now and then we can get rid of * * * LOST CARRIER * * *
 
2012-05-01 02:42:50 PM  

eclectus: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
www.fas.org

Warthog... Truly Beautiful? THEY CALL IT A WARTHOG! It is one of the ugliest things ever to grace the skies, a plane so hideous that SAM's won't shoot it down. The A-10 is many things. Many glorious badass things. But Beautiful is NOT one of them.


This. The A-10 is a wonderful plane. Superb in the role it was designed for and in it's sheer toughness, but "beautiful"?
 
2012-05-01 02:42:52 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Subby, isn't the F-35 more advanced?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x502]


They're not actually out in the field yet. A lot of Navy pilots are also upset because it's only single engine.
 
2012-05-01 02:43:08 PM  
In the mid 1960s Germany lost nearly 30% of their F-104 Starfighter total fleet due to accidents. Canada was worse at nearly 60% of their fleet. The Starfighter had an accident rate nearly twice as high as any other fighter at the time. But finding pilots to fly was never a problem. Why? Simple: for a very long time, nothing was faster.

So you're telling me that a significant number of pilots that are specifically selected for their aggressive nature and flight aptitude are refusing to fly an aircraft that a) Cannot be seen by radar b) Is able to travel over supersonic speeds for extended periods of time and c) Will undoubtedly be the point of the spear for any shooting match for the next twenty years because they feel it is "unsafe"?

I call bulls!@#.

What I suspect is happening is that they are requesting reassignment because the amount of flight time available is greatly diminished due to the significant increase in the number of maintenance hours required per flight hour compared to their F-15, F-16, etc counterparts. Couple that with the previous groundings and new crews transitioning every day = high demand with low availability for a high ticket item.

//But that's just pure speculation on my part.
 
2012-05-01 02:43:20 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Subby, isn't the F-35 more advanced?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x502]


Nope. The F22 is faster, has a higher ceiling, smaller radar signature, better radar, and is more maneuverable.

Although by the time the F35 actually comes into service, the F22 might be ready to retire, so in that case the F35 would be more advanced.
 
2012-05-01 02:43:21 PM  

Marcintosh: CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Right, those engineers are DEAD by now and all that's left are some "tweeners", guys that got their degree between sliderules and computers.

Isn't this the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR aircraft?

Link

I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah I'm sure of it.

I'd just like to point out that for the afore mentioned ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure WORLD HUNGER a few times. I mean actually cure it. To cure world hunger you need 300 billion so with ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure world hunger, pay off the kickbacks to congress, the senate and all the world leaders that stand to lose out exploiting the hungry for their own evil ends and still actually make definitive progress against world hunger. After which everyone would be so freakin' grateful you wouldn't need the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX because people would GIVE us oil and buy all the GMO produce and cheap defective crap we make. Terrorism would be a bad thing of the past because the previously evil 'mericans are actually pretty nice guys now and then we can get rid of * * * LOST CARRIER * * *


Poe's law in effect. You aren't really this dumb right?
 
2012-05-01 02:43:21 PM  

lordaction: netweavr: I wonder how much of this is disinformation.

"The F-22 doesn't work."
"The F-22 is flawed."
"Don't bother copying the F-22 it's a hanger-queen."
"If America ever fought another real Air Force, the F-22 would be taken out by a rain-storm."

Exactly what I was thinking. Fark is dominated by communists which makes them incapable of critical thinking so don't expect many people too agree with you though.


That's more a product of growing up during the Cold War and less a product of Communism.

...wait that came out weird.
 
2012-05-01 02:44:43 PM  

CatfoodSpork: darch: Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

True, true. But still... damn, that thing was impressive.

The first 50 years of aviation was a period of rapid improvement. Then innovation stopped.

I figured if they were declassifying the SR71, they must have other, even crazier awesomer planes....turns out...

well, there are probably some pretty crazy classified planes, but still...


I just kind of figured satellites...
 
2012-05-01 02:45:01 PM  

mab1823: Warthog? SR-71?

Cobra planes.


With modifications but essentially yes. Check out so of the ancestors to the SR-71 (the "Oxcart Family" as I referred to earlier) and you'll see that some of the features Cobra added to the Night Raven were actually tried IRL.
 
2012-05-01 02:45:04 PM  

bemis23: Poe's law in effect. You aren't really this dumb right?


He does have a point, though. All those wars started because people are hungry... oh wait, that's dumb too.
 
2012-05-01 02:45:18 PM  
DON'T CUT MILITARY SPENDING! There are warmongering companies that rely on wasteful government spending.
 
2012-05-01 02:46:16 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Subby, isn't the F-35 more advanced?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x502]


Nope, it's the cheaper little brother.
 
2012-05-01 02:47:00 PM  
If they could fix the oxygen system, I think the fighter jocks would be lined up to fly it.

CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.


Actually, Lockheed (there was no Lockheed-Martin in 1962) has built quite a few good aircraft for the USAF and Navy, the C-130, C-141, C-5 and P-3 are all still in service.

Back in 1974, my father an I were watching the evening news and there was a report about the SR-71 having broke the all time Atlantic crossing time record. My father started laughing and said that after all those years he could finally talk about it. He was sent to Johnson Atoll in 1960 to work on the SR-71 project, which was ultra secret then. Even when I was in the USAF, whenever a Blackbird flew in, it was always at night and security was tightened. The USAF later admitted that many UFO sightings reported were actually SF-71s flying at very high altitude. Their skin would actually sweat Jet-A to keep it from over-heating. Sometime the friction of the air would cause this to ignite and burn away in a bright fire trail following he aircraft. So I'm thinking that a lot of the "UFOs" people report are other top-secret USAF aircraft.
 
2012-05-01 02:47:20 PM  

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The P38 Lightning
[www.military-aircraft.org.uk image 640x310]

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
[www.fas.org image 640x374]

And the most beautiful and magestic of any aircraft mankind has ever conviced, the SR-71 Blackbird.
[www.militaryfactory.com image 640x459]



The F22 however does seem to be a bit... lacking in it's grandeur.


It's a stealth aircraft. Those are generally not meant to be seen.
 
2012-05-01 02:47:38 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The P38 Lightning
[www.military-aircraft.org.uk image 640x310]

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
[www.fas.org image 640x374]

And the most beautiful and magestic of any aircraft mankind has ever conviced, the SR-71 Blackbird.
[www.militaryfactory.com image 640x459]



The F22 however does seem to be a bit... lacking in it's grandeur.

You forgot the best part- the A-10 is still in service and no one has ever been able to match the SR-71/Oxcart family in terms of performance (though other technologies rendering the concept obsolete did probably kill any viable competitors the SR-71 might have had otherwise).


FWIW, there has been talk of an SR-72 for quite some time now. Here' an old article on it (from 2007).
 
2012-05-01 02:49:57 PM  

lucksi: some of the US Air Force's airmen, the world's most elite

FFS, why is it so hard to write an article without the self masturbatory glorification of the US?


Why don't you just come out and say "I hate the United States"? You then would gotten your point across with 1/4 of the effort.
 
2012-05-01 02:51:50 PM  

Benni K Rok: FTA: US Air Force's airmen, the world's most elite...

Second most elite. They don't land on one of these.
www.militaryfactory.com

They also have a tendancy to not win against the Navy in practice dogfights.


Made me think of the PBS documentary where they followed some Navy pilots in training. A bunch of them get sent out to meet up with a carrier and make their first carrier landing.

"Okay where's the carrier?"
"Gotta' be around here somewhere..."
"There it is! Over to the left!"
(camera shows a little speck on a really big ocean)
"Holy ***! That's... IT?"
 
2012-05-01 02:53:30 PM  

OrbitalFerret: Oh, you made my day. :-) The only reasons we didn't get this fighter is that Northrop already had the B-2 contract, and the other kids get whiny when the wealth isn't spread around. That, and Lockheed has always had better hookers.


Yeah, I recall the feeling that something smelled a bit rotten back in the day when we had two perfectly good flying 23s losing to a single 22 ... which promptly crashed two days later leaving us ZERO flying 22s (as the winner), and both flying 23s were fated to languish in museums.
 
2012-05-01 02:55:02 PM  

darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.


What have you done for me lately?
 
2012-05-01 02:55:07 PM  

JackieRabbit: If they could fix the oxygen system, I think the fighter jocks would be lined up to fly it.

CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Actually, Lockheed (there was no Lockheed-Martin in 1962) has built quite a few good aircraft for the USAF and Navy, the C-130, C-141, C-5 and P-3 are all still in service.

Back in 1974, my father an I were watching the evening news and there was a report about the SR-71 having broke the all time Atlantic crossing time record. My father started laughing and said that after all those years he could finally talk about it. He was sent to Johnson Atoll in 1960 to work on the SR-71 project, which was ultra secret then. Even when I was in the USAF, whenever a Blackbird flew in, it was always at night and security was tightened. The USAF later admitted that many UFO sightings reported were actually SF-71s flying at very high altitude. Their skin would actually sweat Jet-A to keep it from over-heating. Sometime the friction of the air would cause this to ignite and burn away in a bright fire trail following he aircraft. So I'm thinking that a lot of the "UFOs" people report are other top-secret USAF aircraft.


LOL. What??!?!
 
2012-05-01 02:56:05 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: Made me think of the PBS documentary where they followed some Navy pilots in training. A bunch of them get sent out to meet up with a carrier and make their first carrier landing.

"Okay where's the carrier?"
"Gotta' be around here somewhere..."
"There it is! Over to the left!"
(camera shows a little speck on a really big ocean)
"Holy ***! That's... IT?"

***CARRIER LOST***
 
2012-05-01 02:56:09 PM  
SR-71? That slow old piece of crap?

Thing could only do Mach 3. Mach 20 or 13,000 mph is where it's at.
 
2012-05-01 02:56:54 PM  
Is this a program we can ignore sunk costs on, or do we have to keep "investing" money so it doesn't look like a failure?

Ha, don't answer that.
 
2012-05-01 02:58:15 PM  

Marcintosh: CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Right, those engineers are DEAD by now and all that's left are some "tweeners", guys that got their degree between sliderules and computers.

Isn't this the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR aircraft?

Link

I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah I'm sure of it.

I'd just like to point out that for the afore mentioned ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure WORLD HUNGER a few times. I mean actually cure it. To cure world hunger you need 300 billion so with ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure world hunger, pay off the kickbacks to congress, the senate and all the world leaders that stand to lose out exploiting the hungry for their own evil ends and still actually make definitive progress against world hunger. After which everyone would be so freakin' grateful you wouldn't need the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX because people would GIVE us oil and buy all the GMO produce and cheap defective crap we make. Terrorism would be a bad thing of the past because the previously evil 'mericans are actually pretty nice guys now and then we can get rid of * * * LOST CARRIER * * *


HMMMM...how many billions of Dollars have already been spent over the years trying to cure World hunger? And guess what? A dent hasn't been made! And you know why? Because there is no cure! Just like the "War On Poverty". It's always going to be there. Like it or not. No amount of money spent is going to change it.
 
2012-05-01 03:00:10 PM  

Bunnyhat: Every time I new piece of technology comes down there are a large number of military people who want nothing to do with it.

Look at how long it took Civil War generals to realize the grand ol'battle charge was now a relic of the past thanks to the accurate and sustainable rate of fire rifles gave infantry. Hell, the British were still trying cavalry charges during WW1.


I feel like this is a little different -- this isn't requiring our Air Force to change what they've been doing for decades by adopting revolutionary new tactics or organizations, it's just supposed to be a vehicle that enables them to complete their current missions better. Key words: supposed to. If it DOESN'T make it easier, and in fact only produces marginal benefits with much greater risks and costs, then it's not worth adopting. You shouldn't upgrade to new technology just for the sake of newness, or to try to recoup sunk costs.

In a lot of cases, the impact of technology is overstated. Yes, airpower has played a huge role in winning battles ever since the Spanish Civil War (maybe earlier?), and WWII was won by the A-bomb. But for much of the war, even towards the end, Nazi Germany had the technological advantage -- they were the first to field a jet fighter in combat, and their Panther tank is often considered the best tank of the era. But ultimately, the war was won by the crappy Shermans (and the less crappy but still cheap T-34s) because they were easy to build, operate, and maintain, and they delivered just enough of a punch. And in fact in the beginning of the war, when the Germans were winning, they didn't outclass their opponents on the battlefield -- they were using light Pz Mk.II's against much heavier French S35's and British Matilda II's, and some of their best tanks were captured from the Czech Army. The Germans won because they were better able to coordinate their air force with their ground forces. Ultimately, training, experience, and coordination will win out over small technological advantages.
 
2012-05-01 03:00:11 PM  

give me doughnuts: eclectus: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: RocketRay: Lockheed-Martin strikes again.

Of the top three truly beautiful military planes ever created, Lockheed is responsible for two of them. They are of course

The A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog)
www.fas.org

Warthog... Truly Beautiful? THEY CALL IT A WARTHOG! It is one of the ugliest things ever to grace the skies, a plane so hideous that SAM's won't shoot it down. The A-10 is many things. Many glorious badass things. But Beautiful is NOT one of them.

This. The A-10 is a wonderful plane. Superb in the role it was designed for and in it's sheer toughness, but "beautiful"?


Tell that to the guys requesting CAS in Afghanistan.
 
2012-05-01 03:02:42 PM  
 
2012-05-01 03:03:38 PM  

3StratMan: Marcintosh: CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Right, those engineers are DEAD by now and all that's left are some "tweeners", guys that got their degree between sliderules and computers.

Isn't this the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR aircraft?

Link

I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah I'm sure of it.

I'd just like to point out that for the afore mentioned ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure WORLD HUNGER a few times. I mean actually cure it. To cure world hunger you need 300 billion so with ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure world hunger, pay off the kickbacks to congress, the senate and all the world leaders that stand to lose out exploiting the hungry for their own evil ends and still actually make definitive progress against world hunger. After which everyone would be so freakin' grateful you wouldn't need the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX because people would GIVE us oil and buy all the GMO produce and cheap defective crap we make. Terrorism would be a bad thing of the past because the previously evil 'mericans are actually pretty nice guys now and then we can get rid of * * * LOST CARRIER * * *

HMMMM...how many billions of Dollars have already been spent over the years trying to cure World hunger? And guess what? A dent hasn't been made! And you know why? Because there is no cure! Just like the "War On Poverty". It's always going to be there. Like it or not. No amount of money spent is going to change it.


cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2012-05-01 03:04:29 PM  

Snarfangel: Is this a program we can ignore sunk costs on, or do we have to keep "investing" money so it doesn't look like a failure?

Ha, don't answer that.


Google F-22 modernization.
 
2012-05-01 03:04:49 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: Benni K Rok: FTA: US Air Force's airmen, the world's most elite...

Second most elite. They don't land on one of these.
[www.militaryfactory.com image 300x250]

They also have a tendancy to not win against the Navy in practice dogfights.


Made me think of the PBS documentary where they followed some Navy pilots in training. A bunch of them get sent out to meet up with a carrier and make their first carrier landing.

"Okay where's the carrier?"
"Gotta' be around here somewhere..."
"There it is! Over to the left!"
(camera shows a little speck on a really big ocean)
"Holy ***! That's... IT?"


I heard an awesome description on how to simulate a night carrier landing.

1) Find a large, empty room.
2) Place a postage stamp somewhere in the middle
3) Turn the lights out
4) Start from one side of the room, make a flying forward leap with your tongue out.
5) If you've licked the stamp, congratulations, you've landed on a carrier.
 
2012-05-01 03:04:59 PM  

Desquamation: darch: The first 50 years of aviation was a period of rapid improvement. Then innovation stopped.

I figured if they were declassifying the SR71, they must have other, even crazier awesomer planes....turns out...

well, there are probably some pretty crazy classified planes, but still...

I've wondered the same thing: if something as fantastical as the SR-71 was built in the 60's, what must they have (classified) these days? The mind boggles.

IIRC satellites killed the SR-71.


You recall incorrectly. We used them for a *LONG* time after satellites came on the scene.

The problem with satellites is that they generally follow predictable orbits. If you have a sooper-sekretno airplane you don't want the US to see, just make sure it's in the hanger at 9:00am local time. An aircraft is unpredictable, however. You never know when it will appear overhead, which means you can catch a target unawares.

Also, things don't always happen on a satellite-friendly schedule. If you need to have coverage of an area and the next available satellite pass is 12+ hours away, that's not going to help you.

What really killed the SR-71 is stealthy unmanned drones. They provide a loiter capability that the Blackbird didn't have, and they can also engage targets if necessary, and if one gets shot down, there are no pilots in jeopardy.
 
2012-05-01 03:07:43 PM  

RocketRay: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

What have you done for me lately?


My name's not Clarence. It's Kelly. Mr. Johnson if you're nasty.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:04 PM  
LOL. What??!?!

It would sweat jet fuel while on the ground as they could never find a plastic or polymer that would bind the titanium skin around the tanks. Once it was at altitude (read: almost in space), the skin would expand by almost 6" and seal up those leaks.

Fun fact- the Blackbird would leak so much gas on the ground pre-takeoff that a tanker would already be circling overhead for a 15 minute re-fueling.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:20 PM  

Marcintosh: CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Right, those engineers are DEAD by now and all that's left are some "tweeners", guys that got their degree between sliderules and computers.

Isn't this the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR aircraft?

Link

I'm pretty sure it is. Yeah I'm sure of it.

I'd just like to point out that for the afore mentioned ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure WORLD HUNGER a few times. I mean actually cure it. To cure world hunger you need 300 billion so with ONE TRILLION DOLLARS you could cure world hunger, pay off the kickbacks to congress, the senate and all the world leaders that stand to lose out exploiting the hungry for their own evil ends and still actually make definitive progress against world hunger. After which everyone would be so freakin' grateful you wouldn't need the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX because people would GIVE us oil and buy all the GMO produce and cheap defective crap we make. Terrorism would be a bad thing of the past because the previously evil 'mericans are actually pretty nice guys now and then we can get rid of * * * LOST CARRIER * * *


You still need weapons programs/systems to fight the warlords who steal the food destined to cure world hunger.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:53 PM  

JackieRabbit: Their skin would actually sweat Jet-A to keep it from over-heating. Sometime the friction of the air would cause this to ignite and burn away in a bright fire trail following he aircraft. So I'm thinking that a lot of the "UFOs" people report are other top-secret USAF aircraft.


Umm, nope.
The skin leaked jet fuel because it was soft and loose at the rivets, until it got up to mach speed, then the heat would expand the titanium, and it would seal right up.

Link

Similarly, the fuselage panels were manufactured to fit only loosely on the ground. Proper alignment was only achieved when the airframe heated up and expanded several inches. Because of this, and the lack of a fuel sealing system that could handle the thermal expansion of the airframe at extreme temperatures, the aircraft would leak JP-7 jet fuel on the runway. At the beginning of each mission, the aircraft would make a short sprint after takeoff to warm up the airframe, then refuel before heading off to its destination.
 
2012-05-01 03:15:38 PM  

URAPNIS: JackieRabbit: If they could fix the oxygen system, I think the fighter jocks would be lined up to fly it.

CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Actually, Lockheed (there was no Lockheed-Martin in 1962) has built quite a few good aircraft for the USAF and Navy, the C-130, C-141, C-5 and P-3 are all still in service.

Back in 1974, my father an I were watching the evening news and there was a report about the SR-71 having broke the all time Atlantic crossing time record. My father started laughing and said that after all those years he could finally talk about it. He was sent to Johnson Atoll in 1960 to work on the SR-71 project, which was ultra secret then. Even when I was in the USAF, whenever a Blackbird flew in, it was always at night and security was tightened. The USAF later admitted that many UFO sightings reported were actually SF-71s flying at very high altitude. Their skin would actually sweat Jet-A to keep it from over-heating. Sometime the friction of the air would cause this to ignite and burn away in a bright fire trail following he aircraft. So I'm thinking that a lot of the "UFOs" people report are other top-secret USAF aircraft.

LOL. What??!?!


From what I read, I thought it's actually the other way around -- the skin would leak jet fuel at slower (i.e.
 
2012-05-01 03:16:14 PM  
F-22 Pilots Don't Want to Fly the F-22

Not to worry. In a handful of years, they'll all be "flying" these from halfway around the world:

twistedsifter.sifter.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-05-01 03:17:19 PM  

Arkanaut: URAPNIS: JackieRabbit: If they could fix the oxygen system, I think the fighter jocks would be lined up to fly it.

CatfoodSpork: darch: Lockheed-Martin strikes again

They built the SR-71.

Nuff said.

Yeah. They built it. In 1962. That was 50 years ago. You can only rest on those laurels for so long.

Actually, Lockheed (there was no Lockheed-Martin in 1962) has built quite a few good aircraft for the USAF and Navy, the C-130, C-141, C-5 and P-3 are all still in service.

Back in 1974, my father an I were watching the evening news and there was a report about the SR-71 having broke the all time Atlantic crossing time record. My father started laughing and said that after all those years he could finally talk about it. He was sent to Johnson Atoll in 1960 to work on the SR-71 project, which was ultra secret then. Even when I was in the USAF, whenever a Blackbird flew in, it was always at night and security was tightened. The USAF later admitted that many UFO sightings reported were actually SF-71s flying at very high altitude. Their skin would actually sweat Jet-A to keep it from over-heating. Sometime the friction of the air would cause this to ignite and burn away in a bright fire trail following he aircraft. So I'm thinking that a lot of the "UFOs" people report are other top-secret USAF aircraft.

LOL. What??!?!

From what I read, I thought it's actually the other way around -- the skin would leak jet fuel at slower (i.e.


Yep.
See Maud Dib comment.
 
2012-05-01 03:18:23 PM  
HTML Fail :/

To continue:
...(i.e. less than Mach 2) speeds because there were gaps in the skin of the aircraft. The gaps are there because at the aircraft's normal operating speed (i.e. Mach 3+) the air would get so hot it would make the skin expand.
 
2012-05-01 03:19:04 PM  

xxmedium: In the mid 1960s Germany lost nearly 30% of their F-104 Starfighter total fleet due to accidents. Canada was worse at nearly 60% of their fleet. The Starfighter had an accident rate nearly twice as high as any other fighter at the time. But finding pilots to fly was never a problem. Why? Simple: for a very long time, nothing was faster.

So you're telling me that a significant number of pilots that are specifically selected for their aggressive nature and flight aptitude are refusing to fly an aircraft that a) Cannot be seen by radar b) Is able to travel over supersonic speeds for extended periods of time and c) Will undoubtedly be the point of the spear for any shooting match for the next twenty years because they feel it is "unsafe"?

I call bulls!@#.

What I suspect is happening is that they are requesting reassignment because the amount of flight time available is greatly diminished due to the significant increase in the number of maintenance hours required per flight hour compared to their F-15, F-16, etc counterparts. Couple that with the previous groundings and new crews transitioning every day = high demand with low availability for a high ticket item.

//But that's just pure speculation on my part.


Its called "risk-averse"

It's creeping into every facet of our world superpowerness. CIA, State Department, the risk-averse favor strongly worded letters preferably signed by someone else......I mean whos gonna be willing to sign a report that some 3rd world country is stockpiling WMDs nowadays.....
 
2012-05-01 03:20:39 PM  

valkore: F-22 Pilots Don't Want to Fly the F-22

Not to worry. In a handful of years, they'll all be "flying" these from halfway around the world:

[twistedsifter.sifter.netdna-cdn.com image 640x392]


And when they're shot down, the 'pilots' can blame it on lag.
 
2012-05-01 03:20:44 PM  

way south: A "Very small" number... How small, exactly?

/One guy with a fetish for cargo planes?
/Article smells of bullshiat.


Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I'm on fan of the military industrial complex but this article takes one quote and runs with it in a very bias manner.
 
2012-05-01 03:21:55 PM  

JackieRabbit: So I'm thinking that a lot of the "UFOs" people report are other top-secret USAF aircraft.


I've always thought the US Government has encouraged UFO reports simply to distract people from top secret research projects.
 
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