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2012-05-01 01:49:52 PM
Huzzah for the jolly old thirties! Champers at Le Touquet!

*boards de Havilland Dragon Rapide at Croydon*
 
2012-05-01 01:57:16 PM
I didn't know Europe ever gave up on its rampant anti-Semitism. That's why they were all so happy to help get Israel going back in 1948. Yay! We can send them all there!

I know here in America we like to think we're the most evil intolerant and racist people on the planet (because Americans do everything better than anyone else) but Europeans are way worse than we could ever be, having had a couple thousand years more practice.
 
2012-05-01 01:58:11 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-01 02:02:13 PM
I will never understand why so many people have so much animosity towards Jews. Why are these people so close minded an bigoted?

Without the Jews we wouldnt have the bible, communism, social marxism, multiculturalism, gender equality, class warfare, wars in the middle east, AIPAC's stranglehold on the congress and senate, modern art, political correctness, integration, NAACP, SPLC, gun control, holomador and 'Maud'. Among other things.
 
2012-05-01 02:03:47 PM
Maybe if all the people in the world spent all their energy on positive things instead of focusing on the negatives this world would be a better place. Then again, maybe not.
 
2012-05-01 02:21:24 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: I also take things from the American Interest with a large grain of salt.


Then maybe you need to also look at the Ha-artez interview with the creep.

Brevik picked off the kids of the ruling class and introspection and repentance for all sins the murder alleged (which is that the Euro left said after 9-11 and constantly say to Israeli victims of terror) he is casting about for a scapegoat.

/Not saying the kids deserved it.
//So don't say the people of Sederot deserve being rocketed either.
 
2012-05-01 02:23:11 PM
Okay. I agree the professor's a dick; but Helen Thomas' soul mate? I'm only aware that she committed the grievous sin of criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
 
2012-05-01 02:24:03 PM

jigger: Headso: So move to the US, we don't care about anything but green here.

Actually, they tried that in the 30s and the US told them to ESAD.

Link

In late 1938, 125,000 applicants lined up outside U.S. consulates hoping to obtain 27,000 visas under the existing immigration quota.

In a highly publicized event in May-June 1939, the United States refused to admit over 900 Jewish refugees who had sailed from Hamburg, Germany, on the St. Louis. The St. Louis appeared off the coast of Florida shortly after Cuban authorities cancelled the refugees' transit visas and denied entry to most of the passengers, who were still waiting to receive visas to enter the United States. Denied permission to land in the United States, the ship was forced to return to Europe.


Ancient history. I had a great aunt who used to say "jew" in a whisper like she was calling someone just out of earshot a coont or something. Today that old woman is dead. We have a very few dipshiats on the fringes of the right and left of the political spectrum who espouse antisemitism, but today, if you held a Klan rally even in downtown Pulaski, TN, there would probably be more people who showed up to throw spoiled groceries than showed up in support.
 
2012-05-01 02:25:25 PM
People are down, they're frustrated and the people in power are incentivized to point the finger absolutely *anywhere* else.
So all the old boogeymen are getting dragged out of the closet.

Immigrants. Communists. Jews. Even the freakin Roma.

Pay no attention to the actual policies that caused the collapse.
Pay no attention to the policies that have prolonged it.
Blame the Boogeymen. Hate them. Kick them out, clear them out, and it will all be OK again.
 
2012-05-01 02:27:39 PM
I hate bankers.

Not Jews.
 
2012-05-01 02:42:46 PM

Overfiend: mbillips: Well, one obscure Norwegian academic is an anti-Semite, so that's enough to paint the whole continent for me.

Well, there's this legitimate contender for mayor of London:

Link

And this article:

Link

But it's just one guy...right?


And the mayor of Malmö
And a major leftist newspaper in the same country as the above mayor...

/If the Jews abandon Scandanavia, I wish the square headed fools all the joys of their new Islamic citizens whom they've sought to accomodate. It will give a new meaning to the term 'Dane-Geld.'
 
2012-05-01 02:44:30 PM

phrenicmonkey: Okay. I agree the professor's a dick; but Helen Thomas' soul mate? I'm only aware that she committed the grievous sin of criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians.


It was a bot more than that. She added the 'get back to Poland' bit too.
 
2012-05-01 02:48:08 PM

JackieRabbit: 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s...

One of the only reasons there is an Israel is that after WW1, so many Europeans were glad Hitler was dead, but still wanted to know what they were supposed to do with the rest of the Jews.


If only Hitler HAD died after WW1.
 
2012-05-01 02:58:23 PM

mbillips: Well, one obscure Norwegian academic is an anti-Semite, so that's enough to paint the whole continent for me.


Hell, Norway itself is obscure. I think the country's population is about 1/2 that of New York City.
 
2012-05-01 03:05:01 PM
I've never understood antisemitism. What is there to hate about them?

Every Star-of-David wearer I've met is about as white as anyone, so the easiest discrimination, skin color, is out. While it's a superficial point, several of the most attractive women in movies, television, and modeling these days have a strong Jewish heritage, so they certainly aren't an inherently ugly group of people. A significant percentage of this era's (arguably) greatest contributions from authors, directors, inventors, and researchers come from that same background, so they aren't unproductive either.

It seems to me that "they" are running the country because they're motivated, charismatic, and savvy enough to obtain and hold leadership positions. By western standards, that's a good thing. I think it's time to get over this religious nonsense and focus on the real problem - the Irish.
 
2012-05-01 03:06:37 PM

Spade: jiaxiaobo: Headso: So move to the US, we don't care about anything but green here.

This.

We will take all 8 million of you. Please remove yourself from the center of the Arab World. Love, the World

This would be amusing as it would be funny to watch what was Israel descend into a third world craphole just like most of the rest of the region in regards to human/women/gay rights and in terms of economics and standard of living, but without the whole "it's the Jews fault because they own Israel" card.

They'd probably still blame the Jews though.


Not only that, but they'd claim the USA is the center of the Arab world.

/and the intellectuals would find a reason to support their claim
//Las Vegas is where the Holy Nineteen vacationed, it'd become the new Dome of the Rock overnight
 
2012-05-01 03:09:27 PM

screwzloos: By western standards, that's a good thing. I think it's time to get over this religious nonsense and focus on the real problem - the Irish.


No. Italians. Case in point - Jersey shore. What did the italians do for this country, eh? Irish built it! Steel! Rails! Potato farms!

/Sort of kidding.
 
2012-05-01 03:17:03 PM

screwzloos: I've never understood antisemitism. What is there to hate about them?

Every Star-of-David wearer I've met is about as white as anyone, so the easiest discrimination, skin color, is out. While it's a superficial point, several of the most attractive women in movies, television, and modeling these days have a strong Jewish heritage, so they certainly aren't an inherently ugly group of people. A significant percentage of this era's (arguably) greatest contributions from authors, directors, inventors, and researchers come from that same background, so they aren't unproductive either.

It seems to me that "they" are running the country because they're motivated, charismatic, and savvy enough to obtain and hold leadership positions. By western standards, that's a good thing. I think it's time to get over this religious nonsense and focus on the real problem - the Irish.


I've heard some people say they find them annoying, one-on-one.
 
2012-05-01 03:21:36 PM

RogueVortex: screwzloos: By western standards, that's a good thing. I think it's time to get over this religious nonsense and focus on the real problem - the Irish.

No. Italians. Case in point - Jersey shore. What did the italians do for this country, eh? Irish built it! Steel! Rails! Potato farms!

/Sort of kidding.


Not that I have any desire to defend the Italians, but they *are* indirectly responsible for the foods Americans call pizza and lasagna (indirectly because American pizza and lasagna are not quite what you'll find in Italy).

/Now I want pizza.
 
2012-05-01 03:28:16 PM

RibbyK: Yes, in the high Sierras and we'd call them Mountain Jews.


EXTREEEEEME!
 
2012-05-01 03:38:48 PM
Sarkozy orders all jews expelled from france

One of my favourite websites, jewify.org which replaces `gypsy` with `jew` to see how bad things are for people who are actually discriminated against. When jewish people have headline like this then, yes, they are victims again.
 
2012-05-01 03:39:56 PM
I work with a few Jewish people and my wife worked at a Jewish school, although we're Christian. The only thing I can figure with the Jew hate is people really like bacon, and don't trust non-bacon-eaters.

/Got nuthin' else. Don't understand Jew-bashing.
 
2012-05-01 04:07:53 PM

Wolfmanjames: The mamzer made approving comments on the 'Protocols' and all but stated Auschwitz was justified.


FTFA in Haaretz: "[It was] not unproblematic that Jews had key niches in a society humiliated by defeat at Versailles [...] In no way, absolutely no way, does this justify the atrocities. But it created anti-Semitism that could have been predicted."

I don't think that's controversial. There were many Jews of prominence in post-WW1 Germany and elsewhere in Eastern Europe, such as Austria. Many Jews were of a liberal orientation, and liberalism was out of favor... Liberalism was seen as foreign, and Jews were seen as foreign. The conflation into an "enemy of the nation" identity was potentially predictable.

There is nothing objectively anti-semitic about his comments on that point. There is a fine line between "A causes B" and "A was just asking for B", but I think he was still on the safe side of the line.

On the Elders of Zion, though, I can see why his comment on how nobody has actually read it was construed as an endorsement. But the point is, he didn't actually endorse the book, he asked if anyone had actually read it. From a historian's perspective, I'm sure it's a fascinating read based on what it says about the Russian security services that penned it and the history of anti-semitism. I think Haaretz using Galtung's comments to claim he's straight-up anti-semitic is stretching a little.

Overall, I think his comments on the Breivik murders are the most damning. What the hell was he thinking?

That said, I would still maintain that whatever the hell he said was nowhere close to the anti-semitism that was prevalent pre-WW2.
 
2012-05-01 04:16:28 PM

inner ted: you know who else has nostalgia for the 1930's

/amidoinitrite?


H.... Hitler?
 
2012-05-01 04:16:43 PM

chaunceymo: So it's surprising that after almost 2000 years of institutionalized oppression and hatred of the Jews, culminating in half of them being killed or driven off the continent, Europeans didn't instantly accept them as equals when they were told they had to by their leaders?

In my purely anecdotal experience, many Europeans that I've known or worked with, even highly educated, liberal ones, have some very deep-seated issues with Jews. Nothing as overt as American-style racism, I've never had any personal problems with any of them of felt like they were treating me differently. It's more of an abstract thing, not like they expect all Jews to be bad human beings, but maybe that they have a predisposition to it. Realizing it's not terribly easy to explain now that I try.

I guess a close equivalent would be something that is similarly pervasive and insidious in Western culture even if it's not something any educated, liberal westerner would wear on their sleeve: chauvinism. You get the feeling that when modern, well-adjusted guys are joking about women making them a sandwich or staying barefoot and pregnant or being bad at math or whatever, some of the guys aren't really joking. The same people seem to get a little too excited about studies or news stories that in some way suggest women are less worthy than men. That same feeling crops up eerily often when I get to know Europeans (particularly Northern Europeans), but with Jews replacing women as the group they hold in somewhat concealed contempt.



If the Jews would make with the BLTs when they wouldn't have these little problems.
 
2012-05-01 04:20:15 PM

chuckufarlie: If only Hitler HAD died after WW1.


Not to go all Brainiac on you or anything, but technically it WAS after WWI.
 
2012-05-01 05:07:38 PM
Thread Godwins itself? How's that for a fine ole solution?

/never understood the hate for jews
 
2012-05-01 07:51:18 PM
You may be interested to read (new window, PDF) actual informed research about anti-semitism in Europe, which paints a very different picture.

Summary: There are pockets of anti-semitism in Europe, particularly in the UK and slavic countries like Hungary and Poland, but overall the trends do not necessarily paint the picture of Europe as a bastion of jew-hate (at least not to the level the article suggests)
 
2012-05-01 08:25:20 PM
Dickens and Shakespeare both wrote stuff that makes modern anti-semites look like pikers. So, it's certainly nothing new. In England.
 
2012-05-01 08:25:49 PM

DysphoricMania: /never understood the hate for jews


They suck at bagging groceries and overcharge for lawn care.
 
2012-05-01 09:28:49 PM
whatev. just the latest in the string of fake anti-jew propaganda that israel is currently spewing out to try and get people to sympathize with it and get off its back about operating the largest concentration camp in the world. Oh and they want to look like good guys for their upcoming unprovoked attack on Iran. in other words, just another day.
 
2012-05-01 10:52:57 PM

RibbyK: fickenchucker: move Israel to Nevada?

Yes, in the high Sierras and we'd call them Mountain Jews.


I don't know whether or not this is what you were referring to.
 
2012-05-02 12:20:41 AM
Just to be fair, this isn't a news article, it's just an editorial/opinion piece in the guise of news.

But then, most everything is these days...
 
2012-05-02 01:25:20 AM

Wolfmanjames: phrenicmonkey: Okay. I agree the professor's a dick; but Helen Thomas' soul mate? I'm only aware that she committed the grievous sin of criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

It was a bot more than that. She added the 'get back to Poland' bit too.


Sorry, Wolfmanjames. I was at work. I googled it, based on what you said. This is kind of off topic, and you're probably long gone by now. But it kind of bugs me how a little old lady's been vilified for having an opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. Everyone probably takes something different from the following. I haven't seen any footage, so I don't know what her tone was, or if she was flashing a shiv.

Nesenoff: Any comments on Israel? We're asking everybody today, any comments on Israel?
Thomas: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.
Nesenoff: Ooh. Any better comments on Israel
Thomas: Hahaha. Remember, these people are occupied and it's their land. It's not German, it's not Poland...
Nesenoff: So where should they go, what should they do?
Thomas: They can go home.
Nesenoff: Where's the home?
Thomas: Poland, Germany...
Nesenoff: So you're saying the Jews go back to Poland and Germany?
Thomas: And America and everywhere else. Why push people out of there who have lived there for centuries? See?
Nesenoff: Are you familiar with the history of that region?
Thomas: Very much. I'm of Arab background.
Nesenoff: I see. Do you speak Arabic?
Thomas: Very little. We were too busy Americanizing our parents... All the best to you.[51]
-May 27, 2010, RabbiLive.com [46]

At the risk of getting piled on, I don't see what's anti-Semitic here. She was asked for a comment. This is a political statement about the occupation of Palestine. She named three countries where Israelis emigrated from. Because we can't separate "Israeli settler" from "Jew", anyone that opposes Israel as it exists must be a bigot? Her background certainly goes some way to explaining why she feels the way she does. She probably could have framed her response better, but it was probably off the cuff.

/can't believe I'm white-knighting her.
/think she'll sleep with me?
 
2012-05-02 02:58:57 AM

phrenicmonkey: At the risk of getting piled on, I don't see what's anti-Semitic here. She was asked for a comment. This is a political statement about the occupation of Palestine. She named three countries where Israelis emigrated from. Because we can't separate "Israeli settler" from "Jew", anyone that opposes Israel as it exists must be a bigot? Her background certainly goes some way to explai ...


Simply the fact that she reversed what actually happened. The Arabs who would later become Palestinian "refugees" tried to push the Jewish community that had been living there under Ottoman rule for centuries into the Mediterranean. The fact that they lost doesn't ennoble their genocidal aims in any way, and certainly doesn't mean they were pushed out themselves. In fact, the Arabs who didn't join in the ethnic cleansing not only kept their land, but gained full citizenship in Israel, and their descendents enjoy its benefits to this day. Many of them even serve loyally in the IDF, and when Hezbollah kidnapped and tortured one to death, the IDF eventually agreed to exchange over a thousand terrorists for his corpse so he could be laid to rest, treating his return as just as important as the return of the bodies of Jewish IDF members.

But that doesn't matter, does it? Since the Palestinians lost, that automatically means they were the underdog, and must have been fighting for justice, not genocide. Then the likes on Helen Thomas wonder how so many people keep conspiring to support "Israel at any price," as if the only reason anyone could possibly support Israel is either through bribery or mind control.
 
2012-05-02 09:32:35 AM

dready zim: Sarkozy orders all jews expelled from france

One of my favourite websites, jewify.org which replaces `gypsy` with `jew` to see how bad things are for people who are actually discriminated against. When jewish people have headline like this then, yes, they are victims again.


Except the actual headline is removal of "illegal" gypsies.
 
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