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(Slate)   Malcolm Gladwell: football is doomed   ( slate.com) divider line
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2012-05-01 11:04:54 AM  
Oh, American Football. Yeah, I'm okay with this. Especially college football, I'll never understand why 50 year old men who never graduated from high school are so infatuated with university teams.
 
2012-05-01 11:56:06 AM  
I don't usually agree with Malcolm Gladwell, but when I do, I really like the cut of his jib.
 
2012-05-01 12:11:52 PM  
Mods must have played a lot of football, considering the number of repeats going green.
 
2012-05-01 01:27:08 PM  
You can certainly mitigate the risk. But remember the issue isn't concussions. It is "repetitive subconcussive impact." It's not the one big hit. It is the cumulative effect of thousands of little hits that lineman and defensive backs (the most affected positions) endure, play after play. Can you take the "head" out of line play? You can. But then what you are left with would no longer be called tackle football. It would be called touch football.

Are you ready for some... Touch football?
 
2012-05-01 01:28:50 PM  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!

/good luck with that.
 
2012-05-01 01:58:33 PM  
Again?
 
2012-05-01 02:04:03 PM  
Double post?
 
2012-05-01 02:04:35 PM  

basemetal: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!

/good luck with that.


This is actually a very real issue. Just because you're ignorant to it, doesn't change that fact.

The comparison to boxing is best.

I think the college football & basketball system is idiotic how it is set up where top professional prospects agree to intern for free, allow a company to make millions off their talents as they risk everything for nothing more than exposure.

Let the NBA and NFL fund their own development systems.
 
2012-05-01 02:05:10 PM  
Damnit mods, what did I *tell* you about crack while at work?

Enough of the doubles already!
 
2012-05-01 02:06:59 PM  
again?
 
2012-05-01 02:07:36 PM  
I'm not a scientist or have a background in the rigors of academia, but when I write crappy books, I pretend I do.

/ stfu gladwell
 
2012-05-01 02:08:37 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: again?


No wonder we can't get any hockey threads.
 
2012-05-01 02:09:00 PM  

MugzyBrown: I think the college football & basketball system is idiotic how it is set up where top professional prospects agree to intern for free


a) this is how most industries are "set up"
b) both sports, on the collegiate level, predate their professional counterparts by several decades.
c) full tuition, housing, food, free tutors, gym access, training, exposure, travel, access to alums, etc. is not "free"
 
2012-05-01 02:14:51 PM  
FARK IT WE'LL DO IT TWICE
 
2012-05-01 02:14:58 PM  
Aren't we done with this pop culture charlatan yet? The best thing about his work is the ease with which you can use it to discern which of your acquaintances aren't particularly smart.
 
2012-05-01 02:15:16 PM  
Sorry Malcolm, college football ain't sport its business. It won't end for some altruistic reason no matter how compelling it is.
 
2012-05-01 02:17:49 PM  

IAmRight: MugzyBrown: I think the college football & basketball system is idiotic how it is set up where top professional prospects agree to intern for free

a) this is how most industries are "set up"
b) both sports, on the collegiate level, predate their professional counterparts by several decades.
c) full tuition, housing, food, free tutors, gym access, training, exposure, travel, access to alums, cash stipendsetc. is not "free"


FTFY
 
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2012-05-01 02:18:48 PM  

fatalvenom: ihatedumbpeople: again?

No wonder we can't get any hockey threads.


can get any because no one is posting any.
 
2012-05-01 02:23:09 PM  

rudemix: Sorry Malcolm, college football ain't sport its business. It won't end for some altruistic reason no matter how compelling it is.


But that's the thing - it currently exists in a state where it's really a business, but it's enough of an 'academic sport' that people are willing to close their eyes to the reality and go along with the story of it being student athletes playing on a school team.

I think the Grantland article cited in this one really hits the nail on the head - the beginning of the end will be whenever some jury, somewhere, gives a multi-million dollar judgement to a multiple-concussion student against a middle tier college or high school. LSU couldn't care less... but other than a few high schools in Texas, most can't cover the risk / insurance to cover something like that. And high schools are much more risk-adverse, since they most don't get a serious income out of football - if the choice is exposure to multi-million dollar lawsuits or switching to touch football, it won't even be a serious debate.
 
2012-05-01 02:24:54 PM  

xaks: Damnit mods, what did I *tell* you about crack while at work?

Enough of the doubles already!


To be fair, Drew didn;t start making helmets mandatory until recently, so there are a lot of undiagnosed head injuries among the staaff
 
2012-05-01 02:26:32 PM  

MugzyBrown: basemetal: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!

/good luck with that.

This is actually a very real issue. Just because you're ignorant to it, doesn't change that fact.

The comparison to boxing is best.

I think the college football & basketball system is idiotic how it is set up where top professional prospects agree to intern for free, allow a company to make millions off their talents as they risk everything for nothing more than exposure.

Let the NBA and NFL fund their own development systems.


I have to agree with HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA guy.

Gladwell has a great message and I wish he were right but football isn't going anywhere ever. It's much too popular and ingrained in our culture.

Also, if football were ever banned then I'd have to find another job.
 
2012-05-01 02:27:06 PM  
He should join forces with the jackass 4-5 articles down
 
2012-05-01 02:28:08 PM  
The NFL should be forced to create their own "Minor League" system, instead of piggy-backing off of universities. That's the whole problem here.

If the NFL had a Minor League system, all the actual talent could "go pro" after high school, and spend a couple years before reaching the NFL.
 
2012-05-01 02:28:48 PM  

king of vegas: Gladwell has a great message and I wish he were right but football isn't going anywhere ever. It's much too popular and ingrained in our culture.


Yeah, lawsuit-happy, "for the kids" people haven't had any success eliminating things that were once popular and ingrained in our culture.
 
2012-05-01 02:33:07 PM  

pacified: The NFL should be forced to create their own "Minor League" system, instead of piggy-backing off of universities. That's the whole problem here.

If the NFL had a Minor League system, all the actual talent could "go pro" after high school, and spend a couple years before reaching the NFL.


They don't really know what all the "actual talent" is, but I think they could co-exist.

I think the virtual nuclear arms race of college football teams might calm the f*ck down a bit, which would be nice.
 
2012-05-01 02:33:23 PM  
seasonedcitizenprepper.com
 
2012-05-01 02:34:33 PM  
Once again, from Fark's Redundant Department of Redundancy, here's Malcolm Gladwell once again from Fark's Redundant Department of Redundancy
 
2012-05-01 02:35:36 PM  

Gdiguy: rudemix: Sorry Malcolm, college football ain't sport its business. It won't end for some altruistic reason no matter how compelling it is.

But that's the thing - it currently exists in a state where it's really a business, but it's enough of an 'academic sport' that people are willing to close their eyes to the reality and go along with the story of it being student athletes playing on a school team.

I think the Grantland article cited in this one really hits the nail on the head - the beginning of the end will be whenever some jury, somewhere, gives a multi-million dollar judgement to a multiple-concussion student against a middle tier college or high school. LSU couldn't care less... but other than a few high schools in Texas, most can't cover the risk / insurance to cover something like that. And high schools are much more risk-adverse, since they most don't get a serious income out of football - if the choice is exposure to multi-million dollar lawsuits or switching to touch football, it won't even be a serious debate.


I'm in agreement with you because it will take a big hit to the money side to get any university or any school of any size to make a switch. This may be the comment that gets me Farkularly B-slapped here but, I think the fact that a majority of the athletes are minorities who wouldn't see a college without an ability to play sports plays into the decisions made by those at the top because they aren't worried some black kid from somewhere gets injured making them lots of money.
 
2012-05-01 02:35:49 PM  
Repeat threads are doooomed!!!11!
 
2012-05-01 02:39:00 PM  
a) this is how most industries are "set up"
b) both sports, on the collegiate level, predate their professional counterparts by several decades.


a) This is not really true, especially in sports. Most sports in the world have their own systems and is not associated with college at all... even US sports like baseball.

b) Every professional sport is predated by amature sports.. so?
 
2012-05-01 02:39:42 PM  
As long as there are people lining up for the opportunity to smash their heads into each other, football isn't going anywhere.

Oh, and the money. As long as the beer/TV companies are giving them money and making money in return, football is still going to be a thing.
 
2012-05-01 02:42:36 PM  

MugzyBrown: a) This is not really true, especially in sports. Most sports in the world have their own systems and is not associated with college at all... even US sports like baseball.


Neither football nor basketball has a viable "minor league," that is, a league that someone can go to out of high school and have a good chance of being seen by a scout. Baseball and hockey are the only sports with an extensive system of minor leagues. College is the minor leagues for those sports.
 
2012-05-01 02:44:00 PM  
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2012-05-01 02:58:13 PM  

MugzyBrown: a) This is not really true, especially in sports.


Then why the hell did I have all those internships, including internships within the sports industry, where I worked 40+ hours/week and didn't get paid (as did several other interns)? Right, it was so I would have a better chance of becoming a professional in that industry.

MugzyBrown: b) Every professional sport is predated by amature sports.. so?


Hockey was kind of created in college but was pretty much mostly athletic association-based within a couple of years. Baseball was played by randoms and other people forever - it was played by pros before it was played in colleges. Football was invented by colleges and continued to remain pretty much college-only for 40 years before the first football leagues were created (30 before the first pro team). Basketball was created on a lower level than colleges, but colleges adopted it before pros, and the current league wasn't created until over 50 years later. I wouldn't actually include it in the same tier as football.
 
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