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(The Atlantic)   As Romney keeps saying that even Carter would have killed bin Laden, let's remember that Carter is a graduate of the Naval Academy who served for 10 years. That's 10 years more than the cumulative service of the Romney family   (theatlantic.com ) divider line 222
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2012-05-01 12:01:36 PM  
That's because Romney wants to honor the commitment of Carter to our country through his military service....unlike Obama who DIDN'T serve and doesn't understand the pressures of putting men into harm's way
 
2012-05-01 12:05:18 PM  
I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.
 
2012-05-01 12:06:15 PM  

Aar1012: That's because Romney wants to honor the commitment of Carter to our country through his military service....unlike Obama who DIDN'T serve and doesn't understand the pressures of putting men into harm's way


So killing OBL was the right thing to do. Except when Obama does it. Because he doesn't understand that he was putting men in harm's way.
 
2012-05-01 12:09:03 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Aar1012: That's because Romney wants to honor the commitment of Carter to our country through his military service....unlike Obama who DIDN'T serve and doesn't understand the pressures of putting men into harm's way

So killing OBL was the right thing to do. Except when Obama does it. Because he doesn't understand that he was putting men in harm's way.


Exactly! During the raid, He was probably thinking about what tie to wear at the celebratory press conference should the SEALs succeed or whom to blame should they fail
 
2012-05-01 12:17:19 PM  
www.specialoperations.com

Really, Carter would have sent U.S. special operations troops on a high-risk, clandestine mission into a foreign country we weren't technically at war with? No shiat, Mittens?
 
2012-05-01 12:23:56 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.


And he would have to had registered for the draft too.
 
2012-05-01 12:26:54 PM  
Carter okayed the development of the neutron bomb.
 
2012-05-01 01:01:55 PM  
Any president would have OK'd an attempt to kill Bin Laden. Most would have used a drone strike that even if successful would have left open the possibility that Bin Laden was still alive. Obama knew that we had to be sure and took the risk of actually sending in troops to do the job face to face. That is the difference.
 
2012-05-01 01:05:11 PM  

NowhereMon: Any president would have OK'd an attempt to kill Bin Laden.


Except that one other did have that chance, and said no.
 
2012-05-01 01:18:44 PM  

EnviroDude: jehovahs witness protection: I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.

And he would have to had registered for the draft too.


Yeah, it's not like Romney fled to France or anything, that would be silly!
 
2012-05-01 01:33:58 PM  
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Its a dead issue, Submitter. We don't elect "War Heroes" to be President anymore. Its lost its cred. Doesn't matter.
 
2012-05-01 01:39:24 PM  

NowhereMon: Any president would have OK'd an attempt to kill Bin Laden. Most would have used a drone strike that even if successful would have left open the possibility that Bin Laden was still alive. Obama knew that we had to be sure and took the risk of actually sending in troops to do the job face to face. That is the difference.


Good point and there are other points that make this an Obama success:

1) Obama gave the order without knowing for certain OBL was there. It is my understanding that it was far from a sure thing. I work with quite a few "leaders" that won't risk shiat unless they feel they have 95% of the information. The comments about Obama's decision based on the information he had, is that it was "gutsy".

2) You have to find him before you can OK the strike. Another President might not have looked for him as aggressively in Pakistan

3) another President might have informed the Pakistani government instead of doing it in secrecy which could have lead to mission failure

4) another President might have mishandled the issue of the photos/burial (I like the way Obama handled it)
 
2012-05-01 01:47:19 PM  
Romney doesn't appear to understand it's not too late to give the nomination to someone else.

// Even Republican Tea Party crypto-fascist airhead zombies like Romney should understand that.
 
2012-05-01 01:55:00 PM  
Here's the claim from Romney's book that we checked back then:

"Never before in American history has its president gone before so many foreign audiences to apologize for so many American misdeeds, both real and imagined," Romney wrote. "It is his way of signaling to foreign countries and foreign leaders that their dislike for America is something he understands and that is, at least in part, understandable. There are anti-American fires burning all across the globe; President Obama's words are like kindling to them."


But even mentioning his role in the operation means Obama is playing politics with foreign policy.

I originally thought perhaps the Obama team was playing it too heavily. Then I think of all the things Romney the French Missionary has said and say, "Fark him."
 
2012-05-01 01:55:04 PM  

notmtwain: Romney doesn't appear to understand it's not too late to give the nomination to someone else.

// Even Republican Tea Party crypto-fascist airhead zombies like Romney should understand that.


what would be the point of anyone else getting the nomination?
 
2012-05-01 01:57:34 PM  
As we speak, Romney is visiting a fire station near Ground Zero

WHY IS HE POLITICIZING 9/11????
 
2012-05-01 02:00:55 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: As we speak, Romney is visiting a fire station near Ground Zero

WHY IS HE POLITICIZING 9/11????


With Rudy "9/11" Guiliani.
 
2012-05-01 02:02:20 PM  
Unless I'm mistaken, Carter *DID* order this type of thing, when he ordered a daring rescue of the Iran hostages. It failed and helped propel him out of the presidency.

This is simply evidence that ordering this stuff is really, really risky. It's sort of the opposite of what Romney wants to be saying.
 
2012-05-01 02:11:12 PM  
You know, maybe Rmoney is right, all of this focus on foreign policy and national security is distracting us for the real issue at hand:

www.scooterbomb.com
 
2012-05-01 02:13:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Unless I'm mistaken, Carter *DID* order this type of thing, when he ordered a daring rescue of the Iran hostages. It failed and helped propel him out of the presidency.

This is simply evidence that ordering this stuff is really, really risky. It's sort of the opposite of what Romney wants to be saying.


I know. It's not going to play well along side the "why is Obama taking credit?" whines.
 
2012-05-01 02:30:05 PM  

EnviroDude: jehovahs witness protection: I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.

And he would have to had registered for the draft too.


You guys make a cute couple :)
 
2012-05-01 02:37:59 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: As we speak, Romney is visiting a fire station near Ground Zero

WHY IS HE POLITICIZING 9/11????


It's not the same when Team GOP does it.
 
2012-05-01 02:41:50 PM  
Using terrorism as a scare tactic = OK

Celebrating a victory against terrorism = Sin
 
2012-05-01 02:50:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: As we speak, Romney is visiting a fire station near Ground Zero

WHY IS HE POLITICIZING 9/11????


You forget, the GOP is allowed to do that all they want.
 
2012-05-01 02:52:41 PM  
As long as we all remember what happened to Carter's re-election when his high-risk mission went awry.
 
2012-05-01 02:52:47 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.


Ba-dum-tssh
 
2012-05-01 02:55:04 PM  
That's because everybody who serves is 'honorable'...

fark you, subby.
 
2012-05-01 02:58:07 PM  
www.commondreams.org
Republicans: "Vote for us because the greatest terrorist attack on US soil happened on our watch and we attacked the wrong country costing thousands of US lives and trillion of dollars!!!! But forget about those were failures pretend like they were positives!!!"

Obama: "I made the decision on taking out OBL."

Republicans: "STOP BRINGING POLITICS INTO THE WAR ON TERRORISM!!!!"
 
2012-05-01 02:59:20 PM  

Diogenes: Using terrorism as a scare tactic = OK

Celebrating a victory against terrorism = Sin


I think that sums it up nicely.
 
2012-05-01 03:00:35 PM  
Jimmy Carter has done only one thing of note:

In1979, Carter deregulated the American beer industry by opening access of the home-brew market back up to the craft brewers, making it again legal to sell malt, hops, and yeast to American home brewers for the first time since the effective 1920 beginning of Prohibition in the United States.

Unfortunately, that caused this to happen:
www.rustycans.com
 
2012-05-01 03:01:57 PM  

heinrich66: That's because everybody who serves is 'honorable'...

fark you, subby.


Conservatives share many character defects. Their most disgusting being their shameless hypocrisy on military service.
 
2012-05-01 03:02:47 PM  
Carter also went to nuke school. It might be hard for some to believe, but they don't let just any swabby into that program.
 
2012-05-01 03:02:51 PM  
What exactly was Romney's success rate as a missionary? How many Mormons did he convert? If he wasn't very successful, why should we trust him to be President? If he was successful, should we really trust someone who is obviously talented at the art od deception?
 
2012-05-01 03:03:19 PM  

Sgt Otter: Really, Carter would have sent U.S. special operations troops on a high-risk, clandestine mission into a foreign country we weren't technically at war with? No shiat, Mittens?


.....leaves satisfied.
 
2012-05-01 03:03:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: As we speak, Romney is visiting a fire station near Ground Zero


And Barack Obama is in Afghanistan right now. Actually doing something.
 
2012-05-01 03:04:13 PM  
i151.photobucket.com

Romney served by protesting in favor of the Vietnam draft in 1966-- which he couldn't take part in because of his religious duties to convert heathen French.

Obama, on the other hand, started kindergarten in 1966, and moved to Indonesia the following year, proving his un-American German-Indonesian heritage, and lack of support for troops.

/seriously, Romney, you can't support a draft you avoided and claim you understand sacrifice better than others
 
2012-05-01 03:04:40 PM  
Carter legalized home brewing.
Romney would probably criminalize it if he could.
 
2012-05-01 03:05:39 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.


Assuming that was the joke I think it was intended to be, that was pretty funny.

/please don't tell me you were serious
//please don't tell me you were serious
///please don't...
 
2012-05-01 03:05:50 PM  
He stands for the mormon church which once stood up to the armies of Lincoln and came to a draw. Which is better than you fool Dixie folk did.
 
2012-05-01 03:06:21 PM  

T-Servo: [i151.photobucket.com image 634x495]


It's amazing.

The Young Republicans look exactly the same on any campus today.
 
2012-05-01 03:08:27 PM  
If it was such a simple task, why didn't the previous President get bin Laden?
 
2012-05-01 03:09:14 PM  
Im not so sure Carter would have given the order. That idiot never met a dictator he didn't love.
 
2012-05-01 03:09:31 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I heard that Obama guy didn't serve either.
The military requires you to show them your long form birth certificate.


Watch the first minute and get over it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mzJhvC-8E

/if you hurt my friends, you hurt my pride
//gotta meet a man, I can't let it slide
 
2012-05-01 03:10:11 PM  
What these dipsticks don't say is that Carter was an Engineer and thought like an Engineer. In other words, he micro managed the hell out of the Iranian Operation, which was one major factor why it failed so damn bad.

Obama let the military manage their own damn operation and that is his style. Romney is a moron and should just shut the fark up about this stuff. He has zero experience with foreign policy, unless you count hiding money overseas.
 
2012-05-01 03:10:57 PM  
You know, Romney's argument is essentially "I would have been as good as Obama was." The premise of the argument is Obama did a good thing.

1) We know for 100% certain what Obama would do because he was the one who actually did it.
2) We all agree it was a good thing.
3) Romney would probably have done the same thing.

Therefore vote Romney? Good luck with that one.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:00 PM  

T-Servo: [i151.photobucket.com image 634x495]

Romney served by protesting in favor of the Vietnam draft in 1966-- which he couldn't take part in because of his religious duties to convert heathen French.

Obama, on the other hand, started kindergarten in 1966, and moved to Indonesia the following year, proving his un-American German-Indonesian heritage, and lack of support for troops.

/seriously, Romney, you can't support a draft you avoided and claim you understand sacrifice better than others


In fairness to him, he did sorta flip-flop on that one when his father told him not to go to anymore protests. This man has no convictions whatsoever.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:31 PM  

Muta: If it was such a simple task, why didn't the previous President get bin Laden?


Because keeping a boggie man alive helps justify military spending. That fear needs a face.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:33 PM  

notmtwain: Romney doesn't appear to understand it's not too late to give the nomination to someone else.

// Even Republican Tea Party crypto-fascist airhead zombies like Romney should understand that.


I've been saying the '12 GOP Primary resembles the '72 Dem Primary for a while now.

Anybody remember who the nominee coming out of the 1972 Dem convention was? Because it wasn't McGovern.
 
2012-05-01 03:12:27 PM  

qorkfiend: As long as we all remember what happened to Carter's re-election when his high-risk mission went awry.


That's what's really upsetting to conservatives. They wish those SEALS had died in a flaming wreck.
 
2012-05-01 03:12:28 PM  
Sgt Otter:
Really, Carter would have sent U.S. special operations troops on a high-risk, clandestine mission into a foreign country we weren't technically at war with?

We actually were "at war" with Iraq at that point. From the moment they invaded our embassy and took our ambassadorial staff hostage, they had entered an actual - if not declared by us - state of war with the US.

You don't have to have a declaration of war for a state of war to exist. All the declaration usually does is recognize an existing state of war - like the the US declaration in 1941.
 
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