So force women to carry unwanted children that the government won't take care of or educate.

Seems like a real winner for the GOP

Guidette Frankentits: So force women to carry unwanted children that the government won't take care of or educate.

Seems like a real winner for the GOP

They have to make a permanent underclass for slave cheap labor SOMEHOW. How else will we compete with China?

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, wars and unneeded tax cuts don't need to be paid for, but school lunches, public radio, student loans and clean water do. Got it.

how else are the rich going to pay for their school lunches, radio stations, schooling and clean water?!

again people expect the GOP to clean up the mess of the dems.

the dems proposed and approved the interest rate hikes.

So...how soon will the revolution start? And will it start with a bang or just a few small skirmishes and then snowball?

We seem to be just complacent enough with bread and circuses to remain docile, but will that last?

Why would we offset not increasing taxes?

If the tax cuts go away, revenue goes up.
if the tax cuts stay, revenue stays the same.
There's nothing to offset.

Cut defense by 1%. Problem solved.

The Bush tax cuts need to go away, even if it means raising taxes on everyone. I don't care anymore. Then they need to give tax cuts to the people who need them (and I ain't talking about millionaires)

Descartes: Why would we offset not increasing taxes?

If the tax cuts go away, revenue goes up.
if the tax cuts stay, revenue stays the same.
There's nothing to offset.

I think if they have to extend it, they have to recalculate their budget since it's based on the idea that the tax cuts would go away once it hits the expiration date.

In other words, extending them would make projected revenue go down most likely.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cut defense by 1%. Problem solved.

I would say by like 25%. Then we would be on the fast track to prosperity!!!

Tiny American flags for all!!!

Skanque: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cut defense by 1%. Problem solved.

I would say by like 25%. Then we would be on the fast track to prosperity!!!

Tiny American flags for all!!!

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I was thinking specifically of the student loan offset dog and pony show. Personally I'd like to see defense cut 5% per year for ten years.

Descartes: Why would we offset not increasing taxes?

If the tax cuts go away, revenue goes up.
if the tax cuts stay, revenue stays the same.
There's nothing to offset.

Currently, official budget projections are based on extrapolation of current tax law including future changes (read: expirations) that are also part of the legislation. Current law says that tax rates will go up at the end of 2012 and therefore a 2.4 trillion dollar revenue increase over 10 years is used by the CBO in their projections today. Extending the tax rate beyond 2012 would change that 2.4 trillion dollar value the CBO has been "counting on". If current law said that there was no planned expiration of the tax rates, you would be correct in that there would be nothing to offset.

Skanque: The Bush tax cuts need to go away, even if it means raising taxes on everyone. I don't care anymore. Then they need to give tax cuts to the people who need them (and I ain't talking about millionaires)

The correct term is Job-creators not millionaires.

/sarcasm

Seriously though, I agree. The long-term plan should be: Raise taxes on all. Cut spending on things which don't have long-term economic benefits and start reducing the debt. We as a whole spent our way into this whole, we all will have to suck it up to fix it.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Skanque: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cut defense by 1%. Problem solved.

I would say by like 25%. Then we would be on the fast track to prosperity!!!

Tiny American flags for all!!!

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I was thinking specifically of the student loan offset dog and pony show. Personally I'd like to see defense cut 5% per year for ten years.

This would be great, but I don't think now is the time. The recovery is still anemic, and I don't think pulling more money out (which would likely result in layoffs) would have a beneficial effect.

qorkfiend: This would be great, but I don't think now is the time. The recovery is still anemic, and I don't think pulling more money out (which would likely result in layoffs) would have a beneficial effect.

It depends on where the pentagon decided to start cutting. A lot of that spending goes out of the country.

Skanque: The Bush tax cuts need to go away, even if it means raising taxes on everyone.

They are the 0bama Tax Cuts Now.
The Bush tax cuts expired.

0bama approved an extension.


So you want to raise taxes in order to give it to students?

Let's get this straight once and for all. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is more important--nothing--NOTHING!--is more important than lowering the deficit--NOTHING!--EVER!--nothing is more important than lowering the deficit. NOTHING.

Do you UNDERSTAND this yet? Libby lib lib?

Finally?

NOTHING. EVER.

(Except tax cuts for the wealthy and defense spending and oil subsidies.)

We should offset student loans by raising tuition.

Wait, that isn't how it works?

Corvus: BLeap: We as a whole spent our way into this whole,

A) "hole"
B) Actually about 600 BILLION of the deficit a year is caused by the economy collapse of 2008. So no it wasn't just spending it was because of the economic collapse.

do you have a source for that number?

Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: Skanque: The Bush tax cuts need to go away, even if it means raising taxes on everyone.

They are the 0bama Tax Cuts Now.
The Bush tax cuts expired.

0bama approved an extension.


So you want to raise taxes in order to give it to students?

Well then you should have no problem with repealing those Obama tax cuts some to pay for it should you?

Why? It is one thing that 0bama got right.

Are you for or against the tax cuts? You seem to be playing both sides like your normally do on the issue.

It has certainly helped in the recent improvement in the economy so seems to be working. Why change that now? 0bama and I both view that it was a good thing.

qorkfiend: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Skanque: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cut defense by 1%. Problem solved.

I would say by like 25%. Then we would be on the fast track to prosperity!!!

Tiny American flags for all!!!

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I was thinking specifically of the student loan offset dog and pony show. Personally I'd like to see defense cut 5% per year for ten years.

This would be great, but I don't think now is the time. The recovery is still anemic, and I don't think pulling more money out (which would likely result in layoffs) would have a beneficial effect.

You could always redirect that $$$ to projects that would directly benefit Americans. Infrastructure, education, health care funding, developing alternative energy capacity, mass transit, etc etc.

Would be a much more useful and efficient way to spend the money than on blowing up sand dunes.

tenpoundsofcheese: again people expect the GOP to clean up the mess of the dems.

the dems proposed and approved the interest rate hikes.

So tax cut after tax cut and paying for two wars with no way of funding the country is the way to go? Got it.

The GOP is NOT a fiscal conservative party....this is the biggest lie they've tricked their base into believing.

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: qorkfiend: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Skanque: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cut defense by 1%. Problem solved.

I would say by like 25%. Then we would be on the fast track to prosperity!!!

Tiny American flags for all!!!

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I was thinking specifically of the student loan offset dog and pony show. Personally I'd like to see defense cut 5% per year for ten years.

This would be great, but I don't think now is the time. The recovery is still anemic, and I don't think pulling more money out (which would likely result in layoffs) would have a beneficial effect.

You could always redirect that $$$ to projects that would directly benefit Americans. Infrastructure, education, health care funding, developing alternative energy capacity, mass transit, etc etc.

Would be a much more useful and efficient way to spend the money than on blowing up sand dunes.

Oh, sure, but I doubt that the budget crafters in Congress would go along.

tenpoundsofcheese: Skanque: The Bush tax cuts need to go away, even if it means raising taxes on everyone.

They are the 0bama Tax Cuts Now.
The Bush tax cuts expired.

0bama approved an extension.


So you want to raise taxes in order to give it to students?

Yes, and everyone else. The top three income tax rates need to be 70, 60, and 50%. Oh and all financial gains that a person or corporation acquires from any source should be considered income. Yes even capital gains, inheritance, health care benefits, etc...

Slaves2Darkness: tenpoundsofcheese: Skanque: The Bush tax cuts need to go away, even if it means raising taxes on everyone.

They are the 0bama Tax Cuts Now.
The Bush tax cuts expired.

0bama approved an extension.


So you want to raise taxes in order to give it to students?

Yes, and everyone else. .

well at least you are honest about wanting to take money from one group and give it to another.

The GOP can go fark themselves right now. They're going to shaft a very large number of people.

trotsky: The GOP can go fark themselves right now. They're going to shaft a very large number of people.



I'm still waiting for someone to defend the disparity between those two charts. You don't think I'm going to get it either do you?

Republicans spend more than anyone.
Republicans expand government more than anyone.

This has been proven again & again.

Just because you drink diet soda or stop eating twinkees, only to chow down at the restaurant buffet,
does NOT make you a weight loss expert.

It makes you glutted with less money.
And Coca-cola with less options & Hostess out of work.

The student loan tax rate issue is a perfect encapsulation of the two parties:

Democrats: Pay for it by taxing the wealthy more

Republicans: Pay for it by cutting preventative healthcare for the needy

WhyteRaven74: trotsky: The GOP can go fark themselves right now. They're going to shaft a very large number of people.

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I'm still waiting for someone to defend the disparity between those two charts. You don't think I'm going to get it either do you?

show the dollar amounts per year, not the percentages.

Those students should have been more financially responsible and graduated sooner.

tenpoundsofcheese: well at least you are honest about wanting to take money from one group and give it to another.


Green states are donor states. Red states are beneficiary states.

tenpoundsofcheese


show the dollar amounts per year, not the percentages.

So you really need a jpg that is 22,000 pixels tall so you can see the difference between $12,000 a year and $118 million a year?


/that 118 mil came from some guy that made 6.3 mill and also got 112 mi. from stock options.
//maybe someone made more but that proved my point well enough for this thread