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(Talking Points Memo)   The latest side effect to Obamacare: it's saving senior citizens billions on Medication. Romney expected to try and claim this latest news as his own shortly   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 144
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2012-05-01 08:15:57 AM
Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.
 
2012-05-01 08:19:19 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.


And why would anyone care about the welfare of the elderly? Old people should just borrow money from their parents if they get sick. Romney 2012!
 
2012-05-01 08:20:24 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.


uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.
 
2012-05-01 08:33:51 AM

FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.


I have no problem paying for older people as I will eventually need medicare and social security.

The problem is groups like the AARP think they are owed something just for living. Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly that makes me not want to pay for them.
 
2012-05-01 08:36:23 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.

I have no problem paying for older people as I will eventually need medicare and social security.

The problem is groups like the AARP think they are owed something just for living. Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly that makes me not want to pay for them.


Grab an old lady and shake her until she apologizes to you.
 
2012-05-01 08:39:50 AM

FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.


No, that is why the law is necessary. But the "because everyone needs it" is not a constitutional argument.
 
2012-05-01 08:40:23 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.


I agree, the old and sick are non producers. They do nothing but use up resources.
 
2012-05-01 08:42:56 AM
So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?
 
2012-05-01 08:43:11 AM
Everybody is going to die: should there be a mandate that we all buy funeral insurance?
Should funeral coverage be a part of medical coverage?

/Discuss
 
2012-05-01 08:44:56 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.


That's how health insurance works. You think your own premiums cover your $150K cardiac bypass surgery?
 
2012-05-01 08:44:57 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: FlyingLizardOfDoom: FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.

I have no problem paying for older people as I will eventually need medicare and social security.

The problem is groups like the AARP think they are owed something just for living. Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly that makes me not want to pay for them.

Grab an old lady and shake her until she apologizes to you.


OK. I spurted coffee on that one.
 
2012-05-01 08:46:48 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: FlyingLizardOfDoom: FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.

I have no problem paying for older people as I will eventually need medicare and social security.

The problem is groups like the AARP think they are owed something just for living. Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly that makes me not want to pay for them.

Grab an old lady and shake her until she apologizes to you.


Annnd favorited.
 
2012-05-01 08:51:23 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Everybody is going to die: should there be a mandate that we all buy funeral insurance?
Should funeral coverage be a part of medical coverage?

/Discuss


Is the inability to afford funerals significantly affecting interstate commerce? Are there dead people who are suffering because they aren't rich enough to be buried? Are funeral homes required by law to provide services regardless of the customer's ability to pay?

/even Scalia knew this was a BS question
//the Solicitor General's inability to respond adequately doesn't make it less of a BS question
 
2012-05-01 08:54:06 AM
Don't worry. Just like the killing of Osama bin Laden, the GOP will find a way to say that this is a bad thing.
 
2012-05-01 08:54:32 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: I have no problem paying for older people as I will eventually need medicare and social security.


I'm 57 years old. Thank you, oh beneficent FlyingLizardofDoom for your charity.
 
2012-05-01 08:59:24 AM

Aarontology: Don't worry. Just like the killing of Osama bin Laden, the GOP will find a way to say that this is a bad thing.


No I think they've transitioned to saying everything good that happens was their idea.
 
2012-05-01 09:00:30 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly


the fark
 
2012-05-01 09:01:03 AM

MorrisBird: FlyingLizardOfDoom: I have no problem paying for older people as I will eventually need medicare and social security.

I'm 57 years old. Thank you, oh beneficent FlyingLizardofDoom for your charity.


Your welcome.
 
2012-05-01 09:01:35 AM

BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?


Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?
 
2012-05-01 09:02:12 AM
I was in Lowe's the other day pushing my cart around when I collided with a young guy pushing his cart.

I said to the young guy, "Sorry about that. I'm looking for my wife and I guess I wasn't paying attention to where I was going."

The young guy says, "That's OK. It's a coincidence. I'm looking for my wife, too. I can't find her and I'm getting a little desperate.

I said, "Well, maybe we can help each other. What does your wife look like?"

The young guy says, "Well, she is 24 years old, tall, with blond hair, big blue eyes, long legs, big boobs, and she's wearing tight white shorts, a halter top and no bra. What does your wife look like?"

I said, "Doesn't matter --- let's look for yours."

Most old guys are helpful like that.
 
2012-05-01 09:02:53 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Everybody is going to die: should there be a mandate that we all buy funeral insurance?
Should funeral coverage be a part of medical coverage?

/Discuss


Isn't that generally what Life Insurance is for amongst other things?
 
2012-05-01 09:03:48 AM

HotWingConspiracy: No I think they've transitioned to saying everything good that happens was their idea.


Ah, of course. They're tricksy like that.
 
2012-05-01 09:04:05 AM

BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?


actually they're just getting sugar pills at the pharmacy, they feel better because the government has been secretly adding alien meat to all meat products sold to the elderly.
They had to dispose of those alien bodies from the secret moon wars somehow and as it turns out alien meat is majik. You got a problem with old people eating majik meat? well, talk to Bush, this was his moon war.
 
2012-05-01 09:04:49 AM
fta: Republicans have instead seized on cost projections and some of the law's failures, such as the now-neutered long-term care CLASS program, to paint the law as an expensive monstrosity.

Of course they did.

Selectively cherry picking already debunked talking points is a way of life for them now.

Why do Republicans love Big Pharma and hate Gramps and Granny?
 
2012-05-01 09:04:57 AM

EWreckedSean: Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?


Tax cuts for the rich. Duh.
 
2012-05-01 09:05:06 AM

EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?


Not from your broke ass. Stop pretending you have a tax burden.
 
2012-05-01 09:05:22 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly


don't worry, they're setting up a holiday where people like you can line up and all the sick and elderly will come by and kiss your feet so you can feel better about yourself you farken douchebag.
 
2012-05-01 09:05:50 AM
Romney expected to try and claim this latest news as his own shortly

The weird part is that this wouldn't be entirely untrue (as close to the truth as the GOP can ever hope to get). HCR was drafted based on the Massachusetts health insurance system. But the GOP has made the issue so completely toxic to their base that it would be political suicide to take credit for it, even if all the news was positive.
 
2012-05-01 09:07:48 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.

No, that is why the law is necessary. But the "because everyone needs it" is not a constitutional argument.


Everyone will eventually use =/= Everyone needs
 
2012-05-01 09:09:24 AM
Mandated private medical insurance is a terrible half-assed insurance scheme. It takes the worst of all systems and puts it into one bitter pill.

At some point we'll get around to joining the rest of the Western world and provide single-payer universal health care. At least I hope we do.
 
2012-05-01 09:09:49 AM

EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?


Well, the fact that seniors (not a group known for their financial largesse), who'd been screwed by the donut hole since its inception - thanks, Medicare actuaries! - are saving $3.4B is a big deal on its own.

Like you say, I'd like to know what the breakdown is and whether that's $3.4B we taxpayers would have spent on Medicare anyway. Among other things.

Stephen Hawking taught me that stuff doesn't travel for free. Hooray for vulnerable seniors saving money, but raspberries if that just means the budget's missing $3.4B from somewhere else.
 
2012-05-01 09:10:07 AM

quatchi: fta: Republicans have instead seized on cost projections and some of the law's failures, such as the now-neutered long-term care CLASS program, to paint the law as an expensive monstrosity.

Of course they did.

Selectively cherry picking already debunked talking points is a way of life for them now.

Why do Republicans love Big Pharma and hate Gramps and Granny?


How is the government covering billions more in drugs bad for Big Pharma?
 
2012-05-01 09:11:20 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: The problem is groups like the AARP think they are owed something just for living. Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly that makes me not want to pay for them.


ok, now i know you're trolling.

that was funny, though. really. 9/10.


/though there is a whole segment of the senior population who wants to "keep government out of medicare." so i guess that's technically a lack of gratitude.
//and a lack of a grasp of reality
 
2012-05-01 09:14:30 AM
Government screws up the healthcare market place causing costs to skyrocket.

Government must step in to save us

You can't explain that.
 
2012-05-01 09:14:31 AM

MorrisBird: I'm 57 years old.


How you doin'?
 
2012-05-01 09:14:49 AM

EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?


FTA: The savings were wrung through a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs - 50 percent on brand names, 7 percent on generics - and rebates for seniors who fell under a coverage gap known as the "doughnut hole."

Read the article, THEN comment. Better yet: read the article, then kill yourselves.
 
2012-05-01 09:16:22 AM

FlashHarry: /though there is a whole segment of the senior population who wants to "keep government out of medicare." so i guess that's technically a lack of gratitude.
//and a lack of a grasp of reality


That's the part that grates me. A huge portion of the elderly population is comfortably ensconced in the social safety net, but doesn't want to pay taxes on it. They know it will hold together long enough to meet their needs, and fark everybody else. And they have an entire political party telling them that they deserve to pay nothing and receive everything.
 
2012-05-01 09:16:31 AM

EWreckedSean: quatchi: fta: Republicans have instead seized on cost projections and some of the law's failures, such as the now-neutered long-term care CLASS program, to paint the law as an expensive monstrosity.

Of course they did.

Selectively cherry picking already debunked talking points is a way of life for them now.

Why do Republicans love Big Pharma and hate Gramps and Granny?

How is the government covering billions more in drugs bad for Big Pharma?


Seriously, it's a short article. Read it.
 
2012-05-01 09:17:44 AM

FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: The problem is groups like the AARP think they are owed something just for living. Its the lack of gratitude on behalf of the sick and elderly that makes me not want to pay for them.

ok, now i know you're trolling.

that was funny, though. really. 9/10.


/though there is a whole segment of the senior population who wants to "keep government out of medicare." so i guess that's technically a lack of gratitude.
//and a lack of a grasp of reality


Glad someone realized im a troll.

/as long as hospitals are required to take patients without requiring payment in advance, people should be required to have insurance. That's the best argument for universal heathcare. Everything else is crap.
 
2012-05-01 09:18:18 AM

EWreckedSean: How is the government covering billions more in drugs bad for Big Pharma?


fta: The savings were wrung through a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs - 50 percent on brand names, 7 percent on generics.

Big Pharma 'loses' here on the discounted drug negotiation and the rebates go back directly to the old people who fell into Bush's donut hole.

That's why the GOP are fighting this beyond their by now traditional "Anything Obama does is bad by definition" rhetoric.

Republicans just don't like to see the government negotiating on the people's behalf.

Their corporate masters beat them over the nose with a rolled up quarterly report and call them rude words.
 
2012-05-01 09:20:18 AM

magusdevil: EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?

FTA: The savings were wrung through a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs - 50 percent on brand names, 7 percent on generics - and rebates for seniors who fell under a coverage gap known as the "doughnut hole."

Read the article, THEN comment. Better yet: read the article, then kill yourselves.


Again, where are these rebates coming from? Could the headline read "Obamacare costs taxpayers $X.X billion in rebates?". The article doesn't discuss it, nor does it discuss the quid pro quo for any new discounts. So EWreckedSean's question remains unanswered.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:13 AM

EWreckedSean: Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?


From your fair share of taxes. Or more accurately, you children's if we do not stiff China for the money.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:52 AM

magusdevil: EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?

FTA: The savings were wrung through a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs - 50 percent on brand names, 7 percent on generics - and rebates for seniors who fell under a coverage gap known as the "doughnut hole."

Read the article, THEN comment. Better yet: read the article, then kill yourselves.


Which answers not at all where the money is coming from. who is paying for the discounts on prescription drugs? Are the pharma's footing the bill, or is medicare covering the extra costs? Where is the money for the rebates coming from? Maybe try stopping being an asshole for 5 seconds and ask some of these questions because they are important.
 
2012-05-01 09:23:16 AM
Funny, this pales in comparison to cluster-fark that is Medicare Part D, yet you never hear a Fark right-wing hypocrite complain about that.
 
2012-05-01 09:23:18 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: magusdevil: EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?

FTA: The savings were wrung through a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs - 50 percent on brand names, 7 percent on generics - and rebates for seniors who fell under a coverage gap known as the "doughnut hole."

Read the article, THEN comment. Better yet: read the article, then kill yourselves.

Again, where are these rebates coming from? Could the headline read "Obamacare costs taxpayers $X.X billion in rebates?". The article doesn't discuss it, nor does it discuss the quid pro quo for any new discounts. So EWreckedSean's question remains unanswered.


It does if Fark is really your only news source.
 
2012-05-01 09:23:24 AM

EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?


You're right. It's coming right out of our pockets.

Because Medicare before these reforms was perfectly efficient and pharmaceutical companies weren't swimming in seas of windfall profits at the expense of the tax-payer.

There's no way the program could have been streamlined and improved. Because that would mean government did something good, and St. Reagan assured me that is impossible.
 
2012-05-01 09:24:02 AM
Before Romney claims that Obama is just doing what Romney told him to do (and he will), Romney's people will spin this as a negative. See, kids? This is why your tuition is high and student loans will have to have even higher interest rates.
 
2012-05-01 09:24:41 AM

Wendy's Chili: EWreckedSean: BillCo: So, this is magic money that these seniors are saving. I mean, it's not like you and I are paying for it, right?

Kind of what I was thinking. So we are picking up another $3.4 billion in senior drug costs. I'm not morally opposed to that, excepting the fact we keep hearing about how we need to trim medicare costs. Where is the extra $3.4 billion coming from then?

You're right. It's coming right out of our pockets.

Because Medicare before these reforms was perfectly efficient and pharmaceutical companies weren't swimming in seas of windfall profits at the expense of the tax-payer.

There's no way the program could have been streamlined and improved. Because that would mean government did something good, and St. Reagan assured me that is impossible.


Right, or what is more likely is that the Medicare budget will still be trimmed, and these services are coming at the cost of other services being cut.
 
2012-05-01 09:25:13 AM

EWreckedSean: who is paying for the discounts on prescription drugs?


Just stop now. This doesn't make any sense and I feel bad for you.
 
2012-05-01 09:25:25 AM

FlashHarry: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem with Obamacare is that the young and fit have to pay for the savings the old and sick get. Seems like another welfare program to me.

uh... the whole point is that even the young and fit will eventually be old and sick. get it?

everyone will eventually use healthcare. this is why the law mandating insurance is constitutional.


Lol. You are going to flip so badly when June hits. Everyone will eventually eat. Everyone will eventually travel. Everyone will eventually seek shelter. Everyone will eventually utilize entertainment. By your logic government has 100% control of a humans life.
 
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