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(Slate)   Last week's "study" that claimed homophobes were actually closeted gays? Yeah, about that   ( slate.com) divider line
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2012-05-01 09:50:40 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Ah, I think I see your problem there.


Er, previous comment was in response to this.
 
2012-05-01 09:51:10 AM  

Raging Thespian: Proteios1: feedback

Having gay friends doesn't automatically make you not anti-gay. It's not how you treat individuals so much as how you feel the entire group should be treated. Of course, it's also silly to say that if you don't fully support everything the gay community stands for then you're anti-gay. As with everything, there are shades of gray.


That is one of the stupidest and trolliest things ever uttered on fark and I should know since I have been known to have posts in both categories.
 
2012-05-01 09:51:30 AM  

Arkanaut: AverageAmericanGuy: Whether or not homophobes are secretly homosexuals or not, we should be trying to make homosexuality as normal as being left handed or black.

something something Obama


I never would have voted for him if I knew he was left handed. Why didn't he bring this up in the campaign?

What's he trying to hide??
 
2012-05-01 09:51:31 AM  
Calling people gay for saying homosexuality is wrong is nothing more then shaming language intended to halt any discussion. The left adopts such tactics as any reasonable discussion would quickly reveal that they and their policies are worthless. Also why if you criticize anything they do you are somehow a "racist".
 
2012-05-01 09:52:58 AM  
Heterophobes are closeted normal people.
 
2012-05-01 09:52:58 AM  

factoryconnection: There appears to be a correlation between being deep in the closet and homophobia.


Oh and I suppose that self-identifying "highly straight" people were shown to be significantly more likely to be actually gay (20%) than the average (10%).
 
2012-05-01 09:53:03 AM  
asphinctersayswut?
 
2012-05-01 09:53:30 AM  
Pffft. Next you'll tell me Psychology is not an exact science.
 
2012-05-01 09:53:36 AM  

Splish: santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."


I'm straight and I don't recall having a choice in the matter. One day a girl in my class just looked hot.

Shrug.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:40 AM  

soia: So some guys like to suck dick and some don't, honestly who cares.


Agreed unless you're personally involved, why care where somebody else is getting it?
 
2012-05-01 09:54:52 AM  

Splish: santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."


Go nuts
 
2012-05-01 09:54:54 AM  

Mayah: And remember, all vegetarians secretly love steak, Peta members would all really enjoy a good dog fight if only they'd loosen up and let themselves, and people that strongly oppose censorship really deep down just want to be told what to do.


And anyone who speaks out against pedophiles should have their children taken away. It all makes perfect sense...

Gay people.. stop fixating on those who don't like you and get on with your lives.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:59 AM  
It pisses me off when vocal homophobes are secretly having gay sex. How dare they get more gay sex than us out men!
 
2012-05-01 09:55:53 AM  

Splish: santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."


According to gays its proven by "why would I choose to be alienated???!!!"

Personally I believe you're born with certain leanings and then you choose your own paths, its why bi and swingers exist.

Then some men just love the cock so much they can't say no.
 
2012-05-01 09:56:14 AM  

santadog: All 3 of you are basing your comments on things you choose.
Homosexuality is not a choice.
You aren't born a conservative, a vegan, or a hater of Mushrooms.

Choices are very different from genetics.


So what if it is?
 
2012-05-01 09:56:57 AM  

lordaction: Calling people gay for saying homosexuality is wrong is nothing more then shaming language intended to halt any discussion. The left adopts such tactics as any reasonable discussion would quickly reveal that they and their policies are worthless. Also why if you criticize anything they do you are somehow a "racist".


You sound like a gay racist.
 
2012-05-01 09:57:00 AM  

lordaction: Calling people gay for saying homosexuality is wrong is nothing more then shaming language intended to halt any discussion. The left adopts such tactics as any reasonable discussion would quickly reveal that they and their policies are worthless. Also why if you criticize anything they do you are somehow a "racist".


Again, the study didn't say that all homophobes are actually gay. What it said is that self-identifying "highly straight" individuals were significantly more likely to be gay (20%) than the average person (10%) and that those 20% of closeted gays were significantly more likely to be homophobic than the average person.

The large majority of self-identifying "highly straight" people are straight, and no doubt the large majority of homophobes are also straight. However, the macho, homophobic type is more likely than the average person to actually be gay.
 
2012-05-01 09:57:25 AM  

doubled99: Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear


I think it has something to do with The Force. Fear leads to hate, hate leads to self-loathing, self-loathing leads to a bj in the Mos Eisley spaceport men's room from a wookie with herpes.
 
2012-05-01 09:58:38 AM  

HailRobonia: It pisses me off when vocal homophobes are secretly having gay sex. How dare they get more gay sex than us out men!


Amen to that. Every time I see a story about a conservative leader and twelve abercrombie greeters playing lubeslide I'm always like "Why isn't that me?"
 
2012-05-01 10:00:19 AM  
I think Herman Cain should suck a cock to see if he decides to be gay afterwords.
 
2012-05-01 10:00:38 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gay people.. stop fixating on those who don't like you and get on with your lives.


It's not easy when the people who don't like you are doing their damnedest to ensure you can't get on with your life.
 
2012-05-01 10:00:40 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gay people.. stop fixating on those who don't like you and get on with your lives.


If those that hate them would stop making laws to specifically and explicitly limit their rights and participation in society, I'm sure they would.

HailRobonia: It pisses me off when vocal homophobes are secretly having gay sex. How dare they get more gay sex than us out men!


Don't feel too bad... they may be having more sex but it is all at highway rest stops, airport bathrooms, and in hunting lodges. You get to have your man action on sheets if you so choose. This is probably why they don't accept the whole "privacy of our own homes" argument, because they're all like "privacy, homes, what? Where are you monsters cruising for sex? In front of your wives at your house? GROSS!"
 
2012-05-01 10:01:19 AM  

LDM90: Splish: santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."

I'm straight and I don't recall having a choice in the matter. One day a girl in my class just looked hot.

Shrug.


I have a friend who has bounced back and forth between genders that he's like a pinball, sometimes I think he uses the gay angle to bang some of the hottest chicks I have ever known. Its kind of sad when a guy who was with a guy just a month earlier is know banging girls so hot they would make you stop and say "damn".

Ehhh oh well at least he's having fun.
 
2012-05-01 10:01:53 AM  

Splish: santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."



If it were a choice, I'da gotten laid ALOT more when I was in the Navy.
 
2012-05-01 10:01:55 AM  

factoryconnection: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gay people.. stop fixating on those who don't like you and get on with your lives.

If those that hate them would stop making laws to specifically and explicitly limit their rights and participation in society, I'm sure they would.

HailRobonia: It pisses me off when vocal homophobes are secretly having gay sex. How dare they get more gay sex than us out men!

Don't feel too bad... they may be having more sex but it is all at highway rest stops, airport bathrooms, and in hunting lodges. You get to have your man action on sheets if you so choose. This is probably why they don't accept the whole "privacy of our own homes" argument, because they're all like "privacy, homes, what? Where are you monsters cruising for sex? In front of your wives at your house? GROSS!"


It's like they didn't realize they can probably meet their wives half way and get a nice poolboy.
 
2012-05-01 10:02:39 AM  

doubled99: Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear


Well, the minority thing could also be called xenophobia. Hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or their politics or culture.
Also, I know anecdotes don't count for much, but when I was in high school the most vitriolic homophobe I knew finally admitted to everyone (after several years) that he was a dick-smoker and proud of it! That was 30 years ago, and he's still proud of it.
 
2012-05-01 10:03:14 AM  
santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Ive met some people that were born gay, Ive met others that decided to be gay or not later in life. I would say its both predetermined and a choice.

Look at the kinseys report, there are more than two polar decisions on sexuality in it.
 
2012-05-01 10:05:17 AM  

Splinshints: Splish: santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.

Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."

Go nuts


So, no, but we're trying so gosh darn hard to prove that it is.

Are pencils cheese? According to current data, no, although recent evidence suggests that they may be. A meta analysis shows that both cheese and pencils are frequently solid, yellow, and found in most households. Further research is clearly indicated.
 
2012-05-01 10:05:35 AM  
I know psych experimental design is tricky, but come on. Subliminal messaging and wedding-cake figurines? That's the best we can do?
 
Bf+
2012-05-01 10:05:43 AM  
What a terrible article.
 
2012-05-01 10:06:20 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gay people.. stop fixating on those who don't like you and get on with your lives.

It's not easy when the people who don't like you are doing their damnedest to ensure you can't get on with your life.


How? Are they beating you? Are they forcing you to conform? Are they telling you that if your gay you can't work?

Oh no, they say you can't get married......the horror. Give it time and the issue will die down but let's not act like they are actively stopping you from being gay.

The only thing I never agree with is not letting gays in hospital rooms for their partners just because the family doesn't accept his/her lifestyle.
 
2012-05-01 10:06:44 AM  

doubled99: Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear


Because nigerphobia sounds bad?
 
2012-05-01 10:08:36 AM  

lordaction: Calling people gay for saying homosexuality is wrong is nothing more then shaming language intended to halt any discussion. The left adopts such tactics as any reasonable discussion would quickly reveal that they and their policies are worthless. Also why if you criticize anything they do you are somehow a "racist".


I'm sorry. Why are you, of all people, bringing the concept of a "reasonable discussion" into this? There's nothing reasonable about your opinions. You hate gay people, you want to make them second class citizens, and we've all seen enough of your bullshiat comments here to know that's the case.

People don't call you a racist or a homophobe to mock and shame you, they call you a racist and a homophobe because you're a racist and a homophobe. Typically, however, you've decided to use your own inferiority as a personal cross and pretend it's so unfair that you're being accurately labeled a racist and a homophobe when you say racist and homophobic things.

Just a tip. If you're going to try and nail yourself up on that cross, try getting a sockpuppet. Enough of us at this point have seen enough of your posts to know you're full of shiat and your whining is just whining.

You can have whatever baseless, dipshiat opinion you want, but quit whining because people call your opinions what they are: dipshiat and baseless.
 
2012-05-01 10:11:07 AM  
One thing to be aware of with most social psych research is that it doesn't necessarily reflect the population as a whole. Most often (and in the case of the study cited also), research is done on college undergraduates, and usually mostly females. The reason is that they use the students in the psych courses as guinea pigs, and women pick to study psych much more often than men.

So all we learn is what college women think, and this cannot necessarily be extrapolated to how family men in their 40s, granny, etc think.
 
2012-05-01 10:11:31 AM  
Well... Hilter sure hated himself some Jews while at the same time technically being one himself....
 
2012-05-01 10:11:59 AM  

steamingpile: Oh no, they say you can't get married......the horror. Give it time and the issue will die down but let's not act like they are actively stopping you from being gay.

The only thing I never agree with is not letting gays in hospital rooms for their partners just because the family doesn't accept his/her lifestyle.


Adoption? Often, No
Marriage? Even with a few states participating, No
Shared property? No
Non-contested inheritance? No
Shared insurance benefits? No
Non-contested custody of children? No

Oh, and you already mentioned access to your very sick loved ones... forgetting of course power of attorney and medical decision making that go with that.

But hey, it is just simple party pooping, right? Nothing of ACTUAL IMPORTANCE, right?
 
2012-05-01 10:13:01 AM  

Splish: So, no, but we're trying so gosh darn hard to prove that it is.

Are pencils cheese? According to current data, no, although recent evidence suggests that they may be. A meta analysis shows that both cheese and pencils are frequently solid, yellow, and found in most households. Further research is clearly indicated.


I'm going to need you to clarify your ignorance so I can mock you accurately. Are you implying that all genetic and brain structure factors that have been discovered are all just a long string of improbable coincidences, or are you implying that complex social behavior such as sexual preference can only be explain by nature OR nurture?

Or are you one of those dumb people who says stupid things like "it's just a theory"?

I'd hate to make fun of you for the wrong thing here...
 
2012-05-01 10:14:25 AM  

factoryconnection: steamingpile: Oh no, they say you can't get married......the horror. Give it time and the issue will die down but let's not act like they are actively stopping you from being gay.

The only thing I never agree with is not letting gays in hospital rooms for their partners just because the family doesn't accept his/her lifestyle.

Adoption? Often, No
Marriage? Even with a few states participating, No
Shared property? No
Non-contested inheritance? No
Shared insurance benefits? No
Non-contested custody of children? No

Oh, and you already mentioned access to your very sick loved ones... forgetting of course power of attorney and medical decision making that go with that.

But hey, it is just simple party pooping, right? Nothing of ACTUAL IMPORTANCE, right?


You forgot protection against discrimination in the work place for being gay.
 
2012-05-01 10:18:49 AM  
FTFA: A homosexual might be more attuned to a picture of two men because it aligns with his personal interests-no surprise there. But a homophobe would be more attuned to it for the opposite reason: It runs counter to his personal interests; it makes him nervous.

Guess what? Having strong feelings (negative or positive) is a much bigger indicator of attraction than being neutral about something.

/Duh
//Also empirically proven
 
2012-05-01 10:18:52 AM  
The "choice" debate is stupid. Religion is a choice, yet (in the US) it is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of religion. So I say we should declare homosexuality a religion. The Church of Gayness has a lot in common with Christianity, actually. We both adore a man who is hung...
 
2012-05-01 10:18:55 AM  

doubled99: Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear


No, that's actually a pretty common nomenclature for hate. Go look up "Xenophobe" or "Anglophobe" in the dictionary and see what it says.
 
2012-05-01 10:20:13 AM  
Ted Haggard was never an "anit-gay activist".
 
2012-05-01 10:20:29 AM  
Religious institutions is part of the problem I think. It is perfectly natural to have some level of same sex attraction. Some people only want members of the sex, some are bisexual, and others of us can find certain members of the same sex that get the juices flowing even if we never act on those urges. So on their 1 to 10 scale I think naturally most people fall about a 3, which is still straight just with some urges when they look at an attractive person. The problem with religious institutions is they take that normal, healthy mentality and try to suppress it under a guise of a deadly sin that will make you burn in hell. So now you have people who are ashamed, scared, and feeling guilty over a perfectly natural sexual response. In turn, they become outspoken and "homophobic" to hide their shame. It is ridiculous and just another in a long line of reason I despise organized religion.
 
2012-05-01 10:21:04 AM  
I want to see a self-professed straight guy who claims sexuality is a choice, choose to become gay.

Come on, prove your own argument!
 
2012-05-01 10:21:36 AM  
TFA:

"He-who-smelt-it delt-it theory"

LOL

Not to be confused with the

"He-who-denied-it-supplied-it theory"

or the

"He-who-articulated-it-particulated-it theory"
 
2012-05-01 10:23:17 AM  

Splinshints: lordaction: Calling people gay for saying homosexuality is wrong is nothing more then shaming language intended to halt any discussion. The left adopts such tactics as any reasonable discussion would quickly reveal that they and their policies are worthless. Also why if you criticize anything they do you are somehow a "racist".

I'm sorry. Why are you, of all people, bringing the concept of a "reasonable discussion" into this? There's nothing reasonable about your opinions. You hate gay people, you want to make them second class citizens, and we've all seen enough of your bullshiat comments here to know that's the case.

People don't call you a racist or a homophobe to mock and shame you, they call you a racist and a homophobe because you're a racist and a homophobe. Typically, however, you've decided to use your own inferiority as a personal cross and pretend it's so unfair that you're being accurately labeled a racist and a homophobe when you say racist and homophobic things.

Just a tip. If you're going to try and nail yourself up on that cross, try getting a sockpuppet. Enough of us at this point have seen enough of your posts to know you're full of shiat and your whining is just whining.

You can have whatever baseless, dipshiat opinion you want, but quit whining because people call your opinions what they are: dipshiat and baseless.


Thanks for the great example of shaming language instead of reasonable discussion.
 
2012-05-01 10:23:52 AM  
Stopped reading at "to prove the he-who-smelt-it-dealt-it theory of human sexuality". What dumb middle school kid did they pay to write this?
 
2012-05-01 10:24:22 AM  

factoryconnection: Adoption? Often, No
Marriage? Even with a few states participating, No
Shared property? No
Non-contested inheritance? No
Shared insurance benefits? No
Non-contested custody of children? No


I knew a gay guy who adopted kids. He thought gay marriage was stupid, so didn't even though he could. Shared property isn't automatic, but can be accomplished with very minimal effort. Inheritance can always be contested. Insurance can be shopped for, and if you think straight people are free from having custody of children contested, I'd like to ask how long have you been living on earth.
 
2012-05-01 10:25:26 AM  
Living a gay lifestyle is only a choice for bisexuals.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Sexuality is on a continuum, like pretty much EVERYTHING. Of course, that doesn't fit in well with the simple black and white world most people live in. But it's really the way it is. And chances are, it's a pretty standard bell curve, meaning there are just as many "totally" gay people as there are "totally" straight people (with "totally" being X amount of standard deviations from the mean, where X is probably at least 2 or more likely 3.)

This also means that a lot of people are more accurately labeled "bisexual" than "straight" or "gay". (That doesn't mean they are bisexual in practice.) A typical bell curve would have over 60% of the population within only one standard deviation of the mean.

So yeah, for quite a few people, living a gay lifestyle is a choice.

However, your spot on the sexuality continuum is NOT a choice.
 
2012-05-01 10:25:54 AM  

Uncle Pim: Guess what? Having strong feelings (negative or positive) is a much bigger indicator of attraction than being neutral about something.


So people who get squeamish while watching SAW movies are secret murderers. Give up, you sound like a moron.
 
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