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(Slate)   Last week's "study" that claimed homophobes were actually closeted gays? Yeah, about that   (slate.com) divider line 249
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2012-05-01 08:14:15 AM
It's absolutely farking ridiculous to say that outspoken homophobes are simply closeted gays. They're closeted, self-loathing gays. If they were merely closeted gays, they'd stay quiet about it. The contempt they feel for themselves is what compels them to loudly proclaim to everybody that they do not have any affinity at all for what their daily fantasies and nightly dreams tells them is all too true.
 
2012-05-01 08:30:12 AM
I am seriously amazed the study was written on so much, given it hinges on the proven BS of subliminal messaging via quickly-flashed words.
 
2012-05-01 08:34:33 AM

Pocket Ninja: It's absolutely farking ridiculous to say that outspoken homophobes are simply closeted gays. They're closeted, self-loathing gays. If they were merely closeted gays, they'd stay quiet about it. The contempt they feel for themselves is what compels them to loudly proclaim to everybody that they do not have any affinity at all for what their daily fantasies and nightly dreams tells them is all too true.


F*ckin' Ay Skippy.
 
2012-05-01 08:47:42 AM
Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.
 
2012-05-01 09:29:42 AM
Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-05-01 09:31:43 AM
Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear
 
2012-05-01 09:31:58 AM
Oh. I guess they're just regular morally-corrupt and hateful bigots, then.
 
2012-05-01 09:32:12 AM

Cythraul: Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.


Yup.

In modern parlance, haters be hatin'.
 
2012-05-01 09:32:16 AM
So some guys like to suck dick and some don't, honestly who cares.
 
2012-05-01 09:32:54 AM

Cythraul: Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.


This. Just because a person is outspoken about doesn't mean they are . If so, every liberal on Fark would truly be a conservative and vice-versa.
 
2012-05-01 09:33:41 AM
What? Being straight is a choice too, right?
 
2012-05-01 09:34:14 AM
I absolutely despise mushrooms. Does that mean I'm a closeted mushroom?
 
2012-05-01 09:34:44 AM
don't tell me, there is an occasional exception to the rule. something tells me the subber is a closeted, self-loathing gay.
 
2012-05-01 09:35:27 AM
And remember, all vegetarians secretly love steak, Peta members would all really enjoy a good dog fight if only they'd loosen up and let themselves, and people that strongly oppose censorship really deep down just want to be told what to do.
 
2012-05-01 09:35:49 AM
The adage: "Methinks he protesteth too much" applies frequently here. It is not absolute, by any means. But if somebody really rails about something, I start looking for the opposite behavior.
 
2012-05-01 09:35:50 AM
Hating someone in your outgroup is natural. It's worse when the outgroup makes you feel uncomfortable due to similarities.

We should work to overcome our natural tendency towards prejudice, but it's a difficult to overcome instinct. Understanding goes both ways, and although we may disapprove of people who hate gays, we should try to understand that they aren't acting simply out of malice.

Whether or not homophobes are secretly homosexuals or not, we should be trying to make homosexuality as normal as being left handed or black.
 
2012-05-01 09:36:28 AM
Ted Haggard just got a massage and then he threw the meth away.
 
2012-05-01 09:36:35 AM
Some columnist at Slate.com can't believe the methodology of this study was sound, therefore all psychological studies are invalid forever and Pat Buchanan is retroactively president.

Or, the media took a very tentative research finding and presented it as a definitive conclusion that it was not intended to be taken as.
 
2012-05-01 09:36:36 AM
i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2012-05-01 09:37:15 AM
Vocal authoritarians are usually the largest hypocrites.
 
2012-05-01 09:37:40 AM
Article just stated that the methods used by the study aren't concrete and that it could be wrong. This isn't so much a debunking as a, "It wasn't perfect." Hopefully there will be better studies to come.

//That anti-gay crusader, he's such a flamer...
 
2012-05-01 09:38:10 AM

Why Would I Read the Article: I absolutely despise mushrooms. Does that mean I'm a closeted mushroom?


There's a fungus amongus! :o
 
2012-05-01 09:38:12 AM

soia: So some guys like to suck dick and some don't, honestly who cares.


Republicans. Republicans care deeply about it. Deeply, moistly, and thrustingly.
 
2012-05-01 09:38:45 AM
Why is this a follow-up? This is the original article I read last week, and I'm pretty sure it was linked from here on Slate.
 
2012-05-01 09:38:49 AM
I'm not gay. All these dudes suckin' my dick are the ones that're gay.
 
2012-05-01 09:41:08 AM

machoprogrammer: Cythraul: Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.

This. Just because a person is outspoken about doesn't mean they are . If so, every liberal on Fark would truly be a conservative and vice-versa.


Why Would I Read the Article: I absolutely despise mushrooms. Does that mean I'm a closeted mushroom?


Mayah: And remember, all vegetarians secretly love steak, Peta members would all really enjoy a good dog fight if only they'd loosen up and let themselves, and people that strongly oppose censorship really deep down just want to be told what to do.


All 3 of you are basing your comments on things you choose.
Homosexuality is not a choice.
You aren't born a conservative, a vegan, or a hater of Mushrooms.

Choices are very different from genetics.
 
2012-05-01 09:41:12 AM

doubled99: Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear


Because they're worried it's something they can catch through contact. Not too many people worried about catching blackness.
 
2012-05-01 09:41:41 AM

Why Would I Read the Article: I absolutely despise mushrooms. Does that mean I'm a closeted mushroom?


No, but if you start going on a big public crusade to ban mushrooms, I might start to wonder WTF is wrong with you.
 
2012-05-01 09:42:05 AM
My favorite part of the article:

The irony to all this is that we don't need penile circumference and reaction-time measures to tell us what we already know: Of course some homophobes are gay! The folk wisdom about people who protest too much comes out of a massive data set of social experiences and communal observations.

In other words, people with years of training and experience in the scientific method along with the time, resources, and inclination to study this specific question have come up mostly empty handed, but who needs 'em? We have folk wisdom!
 
2012-05-01 09:42:28 AM
Author of TFA sounds gay.

/NTTAWTT
 
2012-05-01 09:42:47 AM
So, either they're gay themselves, so all they can think about is gay sex, or they really really hate gays so all they can think about is gay sex. Either way, they're thinking about homos all the time, and that doesn't seem healthy. I recommend a hobby, or regular, vigorous, sweaty exercise. Preferably with a nice man with a well-groomed mustache and perfect hair.
 
2012-05-01 09:43:14 AM
Eh. Not all homophobes are self-loathing closeted gays. It may just be due to their upbringing in a strictly religious household. Now, someone who was NOT brought up in a fundie household but is homophobic...that might be different.

Sombunall, either way.

Cythraul: Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.


Tight, puckered, well-lubed assholes.
 
2012-05-01 09:44:06 AM

santadog: You aren't born a conservative, a vegan, or a hater of Mushrooms.


Wrong. Hatred of mushrooms begins at conception. Or probably two weeks after mum's last period.
 
2012-05-01 09:44:29 AM
One confusing point I have that I'd like sincere feedback on, if possible, is this:
I'm not gay. I don't dislike homosexuals. But because I don't automatically support all of the politico issues homosexual friends of mine have, I am automatically anti-. Which in itself seems to be a buzzword....but I'm antigay. I have even responded with comments like, but your gay and were friends. I get more rhetoric in reply. This is not much different than republican friends or democrat firms I have that we get to talking about politically charged topics and they all adopt a very, you're either for us or against us mentality.
 
2012-05-01 09:44:54 AM

doubled99: Why is the term :phobia" only used with an aversion to homosexuals?

Dislike of minorities=Hate
Dislike of homosexuals=Fear


Xenophobe?

Most of the gay haters I know are extremely nice people and I doubt very much they are closet homos. There is one thing they seem to have in common though, which is: religion.
 
2012-05-01 09:44:57 AM
Or was it before?
 
2012-05-01 09:45:17 AM

Pocket Ninja: It's absolutely farking ridiculous to say that outspoken homophobes are simply closeted gays. They're closeted, self-loathing gays. If they were merely closeted gays, they'd stay quiet about it. The contempt they feel for themselves is what compels them to loudly proclaim to everybody that they do not have any affinity at all for what their daily fantasies and nightly dreams tells them is all too true.


You can't say that 100% though, maybe a portion of those are but people need to get over this that they hate because they fear they're that orientation.

Sometimes people because they are ignorant or just douchebags. It does happen, trying to justify it this way just cements their hatred as being correct.
 
2012-05-01 09:45:42 AM
Whatever the precedents, their homo-say-what task leaves itself open to an easy, alternative interpretation.

Maybe so. But the one where they hooked up measuring devices to their penises, and homophobes were more likely to get boners then straight men, when looking at sexy men, isn't so open to interpretation...
 
2012-05-01 09:45:49 AM

santadog: machoprogrammer: Cythraul: Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.

This. Just because a person is outspoken about doesn't mean they are . If so, every liberal on Fark would truly be a conservative and vice-versa.

Why Would I Read the Article: I absolutely despise mushrooms. Does that mean I'm a closeted mushroom?

Mayah: And remember, all vegetarians secretly love steak, Peta members would all really enjoy a good dog fight if only they'd loosen up and let themselves, and people that strongly oppose censorship really deep down just want to be told what to do.

All 3 of you are basing your comments on things you choose.
Homosexuality is not a choice.
You aren't born a conservative, a vegan, or a hater of Mushrooms.

Choices are very different from genetics.


Well, I don't know about the mushrooms... But we're talking about people who choose to oppose homosexuality and what that means about them. It does not, actually, mean that they are gay. That is dumb.
 
2012-05-01 09:47:26 AM
From Fark I have learned:

1. Homophobes, Republicans, Tom Cruise, John Travolta and anyone who claims to be straight are all secretly gay.

2. Men with cars more expensive than the commenter have smaller penises and that makes them feel better about their shiatty car. Of course it also means they're thinking about another dude's cock, which makes them secretly gay.
 
2012-05-01 09:47:59 AM

Proteios1: One confusing point I have that I'd like sincere feedback on, if possible, is this:
I'm not gay. I don't dislike homosexuals. But because I don't automatically support all of the politico issues homosexual friends of mine have, I am automatically anti-. Which in itself seems to be a buzzword....but I'm antigay. I have even responded with comments like, but your gay and were friends. I get more rhetoric in reply. This is not much different than republican friends or democrat firms I have that we get to talking about politically charged topics and they all adopt a very, you're either for us or against us mentality.


Ah, I think I see your problem there.
 
2012-05-01 09:48:07 AM

Proteios1: feedback


Having gay friends doesn't automatically make you not anti-gay. It's not how you treat individuals so much as how you feel the entire group should be treated. Of course, it's also silly to say that if you don't fully support everything the gay community stands for then you're anti-gay. As with everything, there are shades of gray.
 
2012-05-01 09:48:19 AM

xanadian: Eh. Not all homophobes are self-loathing closeted gays. It may just be due to their upbringing in a strictly religious household. Now, someone who was NOT brought up in a fundie household but is homophobic...that might be different.

Sombunall, either way.

Cythraul: Sometimes assholes are just assholes. There's no real rhyme or reason to it.

Tight, puckered, well-lubed assholes.


I know people who aren't religious but are that way because their parents would always say shiat like "no son of mines gonna be queer"
 
2012-05-01 09:48:26 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Whether or not homophobes are secretly homosexuals or not, we should be trying to make homosexuality as normal as being left handed or black.


something something Obama
 
2012-05-01 09:48:33 AM
I knew a dude from high school who was always, "F*ggot this, f*ggot that." About 10 years after high school, I read in the newspaper where he was arrested in a mens room at a NJ Turnpike rest area for soliciting an undercover cop.
 
2012-05-01 09:48:34 AM

xanadian: Eh. Not all homophobes are self-loathing closeted gays. It may just be due to their upbringing in a strictly religious household. Now, someone who was NOT brought up in a fundie household but is homophobic...that might be different.


The findings of the study didn't say that self-identifying "very straight" people that showed homophobic behavior were actually gay.

The study showed that:
1. 20% of self identifying "highly straight" people had reactions to imagery consistent with homosexuals
2. Those 20% were significantly more likely than the average person in the study to exhibit homophobic behavior.

There appears to be a correlation between being deep in the closet and homophobia.
 
2012-05-01 09:49:15 AM

Counter_Intelligent: santadog: You aren't born a conservative, a vegan, or a hater of Mushrooms.

Wrong. Hatred of mushrooms begins at conception. Or probably two weeks after mum's last period.


You just haven't found the right mushroom. Maybe you need to be forceably feed a mushroom so that you can make a commitment to it. Maybe you can think of Britain while you eat.

//Oddly enough I hate mushrooms but got them in my omelet the other day, instead of sending it back, I forced myself to eat them, it wasn't so bad.. I pretended they were steak.
 
2012-05-01 09:49:21 AM
This report is still a lot more reliable than last month's "People are stealing Tide detergent by the carload and trading it for drugs" story.
 
2012-05-01 09:49:37 AM

Raging Thespian: Proteios1: feedback

Having gay friends doesn't automatically make you not anti-gay. It's not how you treat individuals so much as how you feel the entire group should be treated. Of course, it's also silly to say that if you don't fully support everything the gay community stands for then you're anti-gay. As with everything, there are shades of gray.


Poor grammar?
 
2012-05-01 09:50:26 AM

santadog: Homosexuality is not a choice.


Has this ever been proven? Or is it just one of those things that gets repeated so much that it's now a "fact"? Like "Homophobes are secretly gay."
 
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