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(The Daily Beast)   When you boil everything down, the real reason the GOP and its talking heads are upset with Obama's bin Laden ad is simple: he's using their playbook. And it's working. Ric Romero nods in agreement   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 52
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2012-05-01 08:29:46 AM
8 votes:
Let's see...

Bush Jr. didn't want to go after Bin Laden. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority"

Romney says he would not order a tactical strike on Osama if he was found in Pakistan. So does McCain.

The GOP tried time and time again to make sure that responders present at Ground Zero on 9/11 didn't get the physical and mental health care they needed.

When President Obama's order finally led to Bin Laden's death, the GOP claimed it was Bush Jr.'s extensive work on finding Bin Laden (apparently including the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan) that led to the mission's success.

Romney flips his stance, says even Jimmy Carter would have made that kind of order. Forgets the Iranian hostage crisis, a politically and realistically difficult situation which cost Carter his chance at a second term.

Seems to me that the GOP are sissies when it comes to national security.
Obama and the Democrats are tougher on it.

Does the GOP have a problem with Democrats telling the truth?
2012-05-01 10:08:02 AM
6 votes:

NateGrey: They try and try to get something to stick to Obama, anything, and he just laughs them off.


More importantly, they seem to be trying their hardest to make Obama's success in killing bin Laden and capturing his files the #1 news story for as long as possible.

Hint to the GOP: This is not the discussion you want to encourage. Obama's consistently shown results on foreign policy since he's been in office. If anything, he's very aggressive-- ordering SEAL raids and drone strikes into sovereign nations without the permission (or even the knowledge) of their governments. He helped topple Qaddafi in a way that made toppling Saddam look like the quagmire (strategically and logistically) it was.

Second hint: You look like disingenuous assholes when you make 10,000 political speeches twisting logic past its breaking point to accuse Obama of "palling around with terrorists" over the last four years... and then turn around and complain that his administration is "exploiting" successes against high-profile terrorists by mentioning them. These things really happened. This administration has been killing high-profile terrorists like they're the ones getting the bounties. It's getting hard to even name a prominent al-Qaeda guy who is still walking around free, instead of being locked up or reduced to a thin pinkish smear of goo. Talking about that is fair game. It's an actual issue, instead of talking about him eating dog meat as a child.

Maybe you should steer the conversation towards substantive topics where you have accomplishments from the last four years to tout, if you can think of any.
2012-05-01 11:30:47 AM
5 votes:
The saddest part about it all is that President Obama and his administration (along with the Seals) did with 50 people what the Republicans claimed would take Billions of dollars per week, occupation of two countries, and millions of dead and injured soldiers and civilians.
2012-05-01 11:16:49 AM
4 votes:

SilentStrider: Il Douchey: ST6: "Mr. President, we've cornered BinLaden. Our Seals are poised and ready to strike, every second of delay jeopardizes the Seal's lives and the mission's success, so all we need is your simple consent to do this thing"

Obama: "But I'm in the middle of an important round of golf; and we still need to round up everybody for a historic photo-op. I really need to think this over"

ST6: "But, Mr. President, surely you've considered this nearly inevitable endgame call already; it's the culmination of everything we've been doing for the last decade...It's a simple question Mr. President, just answer yes or no, and we can move on"

Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"

What is this I don't even


Shhh...it is a Republitard fantasy.

Facts that Republitards ignore about the OBL assault.

1. Obama insisted it not be done with a bombing campaign in order to avoid civilian casualties.

2. Obama insisted that the assault team be larger in order to engage Pakistani force and fight their way out of the country.

3. Obama debated a drone strike, but independent analysis of the intelligence put the likely hood of OBL being the man in the compound at 50/50.

4. A failed assault would probably ended Obama's chances to win 2012.

5. It was 2-3 days after the go command was issued before the weather cleared and ST 6 was able to attempt the assault.

6. If the assault team had not been as large as it was the assault would have failed, because of the helicopter crash.

The planning and decision to execute the attack is one of the bravest decisions a US president has ever made, he bet years of intelligence work, his presidency and the lives of those men on one throw of the dice.

President Obama is a great president and history will remember him as a giant among midgets. He should be immortalized in granite.
2012-05-01 11:12:51 AM
4 votes:

TIKIMAN87: Obama didn't make the call. The Pentagon did.

He is lying about making the decision to go in after Osama and only using it as a phoney political strategy.


Obama did far more than just push a big button that said "Yes, Kill Bin Laden." He was fully involved in the planning process and definitely earned credit for getting Bin Laden. Here's some delicious copypasta to show you how wrong you are.

The president made his concerns known in a briefing about 10 days before the assault on the bin Laden compound. According to senior aides, Obama felt that the special operations COA, or course of action, was too risky. Under the COA at that time, only two helicopters would enter Pakistani airspace, leaving little backup if something went wrong. "I don't want you to plan for an option that doesn't allow you to fight your way out," the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

So the plan was revised. Ultimately, four helicopters flew into Pakistani airspace, including two refueling helicopters that carried additional personnel. In the end, the extra forces didn't need to fight their way out of the compound, but a backup helicopter did play a key role in the operation. One of the two primary assault helicopters, an HH-60 Pave Hawk lost its lift, landed hard and had to be destroyed. The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. "The President created the 'fight your way out' option," explained an administration official.


Cite
2012-05-01 10:03:53 AM
4 votes:

NateGrey: Republicans cant catch a break.


They really don't deserve one. And, when you look at the Republican party, you have to think that, in the voters' minds, Obama could punch kittens and set nuns on fire, and he's still going to look better and less insane than they ever could.

Seriously. I don't agree with many things Obama's done, but when I look at the GOP, I just laugh. There is simply no way a sane person could ever support them. They are just a dying political party that has resorted to impotently lashing out like bitter little children.
2012-05-01 11:11:13 AM
3 votes:

TIKIMAN87: Obama didn't make the call. The Pentagon did.

He is lying about making the decision to go in after Osama and only using it as a phoney political strategy.


No, the Pentagon didn't. You bring me a general who authorized an incursion into a foreign country, an important regional ally no less, and I will show you someone who was, is being, or will be court martialed very, very soon. Final approval for something like that comes from the man upstairs. Hell the sec-def and his VP were trying to convince him NOT to do it.
2012-05-02 12:53:47 AM
2 votes:
There isn't just one reason, or even a main reason, why the GOP and the talking heads are upset. There are a lot of potential reasons.

In no particular order:

1) There is no identifiable enemy for America to oppose. There is no Soviet/Communist threat. There is no Nazi/Imperialist Japan threat. There is no Native American threat. No British threat. No Spanish/Mexican threat. The closest thing America has to a threat right now is China - and China has America by the financial balls.

The things America stands against now - terrorism, drugs, crime in general - are concepts, or subjects. Not people. Not societies. They have no lands, no histories, no shared values. They have no power and so they cannot be opposed in a clear and obvious manner. There is no capital city of terrorism, much as how many people would want to call that Mecca or Tehran or (insert Islamic city here). There is no navy commanded by crime in general for the US to send in the carrier fleets. There is no bureaucracy on the other side in the war on drugs. They take nuance and subtlety to fight, and those are far more difficult to get excited about than a speech where a popular president says "Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall!".

The current GOP wants this. They need this; it's a big reason they idolize Ronald Reagan so much. He was the last president to truly stand against an identifiable enemy, to clearly be the "Good" against an easy to identify "Evil". There was a capital for Communism - Moscow. There was a Soviet Navy that could be fought. There was a bureaucracy on the "Evil" side that was making sure that things worked as well as they could. The current GOP craves something like that to be able to have an identity they are comfortable with.

2) A general unconscious sense that they made a terrible, terrible mistake in 2000. The Bush Jr. presidency was a disaster, but Bush Jr. himself is well regarded. He's excused as being a good and decent man who put his trust in the wrong people, and let them lead him astray. W was a good human being who honestly wanted to do what was best for his country, but he was used by the people around him. They used his loyalty for their own purposes, and the country suffered for it.

That in essence, the things that went wrong from 2000 to 2008 weren't his fault - he just wasn't the man to deal with them. America, and the GOP, needed a principled soldier who had seen combat, who had been through a hell not entirely of his making, and survived. A man who wasn't afraid to do what he thought was right even when everyone was telling him it was wrong.

Otherwise known as John McCain. (Or at least a romanticized version of John McCain.) The guy that they had ignored so that they could put in that good ol'boy who would be fun to have a beer with, George W. Bush. What would 2000 to 2008 have been like with John McCain as president? A soldier who had gone to Vietnam, who had been shot down and then been a POW for five years, and who had the scars to prove it? How would he have dealt with OBL, with Afghanistan? Would he have gone into Iraq at all? These questions gnaw at the current GOP, sapping their confidence and adding to their belligerence.

The mistake they made was nominating George W. Bush for president. Al Gore would have been a disaster too, but they weren't the ones who nominated Gore. And they had a chance to nominate someone who might have been far better - John McCain.

3) The realization that the demographic shift in America is on the side of the Democrats for the wrong reasons. Latino's, African Americans and Muslims should be firmly in the camp of the GOP. All three groups are key Democrat constituencies now due to the actions of the current GOP and the perception (and in many cases, the reality) of overt racism in the GOP. All three groups are projected to grow dramatically in the next generation while the GOP base is slowly dying off.

For the GOP to bring them into the fold, the GOP has to do one of two things. One, wait for the Democratic party at all levels of government to do something radically stupid and outright racist, where Blacks, Latino's and Muslims decide that the Democrats can't be trusted at all. This would have to be something like a call from on high to exclude any non-white, non-Christian person from being a high ranking Democrat, and have a majority of local Democratic party groups go along with it, or adopting the Confederate flag as the new flag of the party, or something equally pervasive and stupid. Then the groups would be forced to join the Republicans because there's no where else for them to go. Just like how the Tea Party were fed up with everyone, but ended up in the Republican fold anyway rather than making a true third party.

Or just as impossible, the GOP will have to change itself. And will need to take the power away from the current base that is driving the party off of a cliff. The very talking heads who are causing all this trouble will need to be removed from their positions of power, or will need to change their ways. That's hard. I'd even say that's impossible, without an intervention.

I don't see the GOP having the ability or inclination to do this. I don't see Rush Limbaugh looking in the mirror and saying "I am a force of destruction in America. I am weakening my country, my society and my people. I am hurting the people I claim to love, and I must change my ways." I don't see Eric Cantor or Paul Ryan deciding that compromising with Democrats is sometimes the right thing to do, that they can have a perspective on things that is different than the Republicans but just as valid and useful. I don't see Roger Ailes deciding that accuracy and truth is more important in the news than sensationalism or destroying Democrats.

(The fact that Obama is black, with a Muslim father, and is a Democrat is not helpful to their cause, but if John Edwards had won the nomination and then the presidency, the GOP would still be spiraling toward destruction. With Obama in there the crazies (including the ones who aren't necessarily Republican but would never vote Democrat anyway. In a two party system, there's nowhere else to go.) simply have stomped on the gas pedal, cranked the stereo up to 9 and are leaning on the horn.)

Best thing for the GOP in November is a crushing defeat. A Reagan vs Mondale type defeat. The GOP needs to be so ambivalent about Romney that enough stay home in November that Obama is declared the winner by Fox News before any results west of the Mississippi come in. And that this follows through to any Senate and Congressional seats up for election at the same time. The GOP needs to be crushed so badly that they can't dismiss the results in any way. It needs to be the equivalent of a junkie puking in front of their childs birthday party and then eating the vomit right off of the floor because there was still a pill in there that wasn't digested then sucking the carpet hoping to get the last of the drug infested juices up. Something so unequivocal that there is no possible way to rationalize it or pass the blame on to someone else.

/tl;dr : GOP needs to get an arse whopping of Mondalic proportions. Then they can get rid of the diseased wood that's killing them slowly.
//amusingly, the Federal and Ontario Liberal parties need the same treatment up here in America's Hat.
2012-05-01 12:23:22 PM
2 votes:

Headso:

republicans hate Obama so much they are mad Bin Laden is dead.


yeah, it's really really weird to watch. I think the GOP would rather have Bin Laden alive and planning bigger/better terrorist attacks on this country rather than see Obama get a 2-5 point rise in the polls over his death.

that implies a level of hatred towards Obama and the United States that is difficult for me to contemplate.
2012-05-01 11:43:18 AM
2 votes:
McRaven speaks respectfully of Bush as Commander in Chief, saying he "made some very, very tough decisions." About Obama, without a question to prompt him, he waxes lyrical and at length. The planning and decision making for the bin Laden raid, he volunteers, "was really everything the American public would expect from their national leadership."

"The President was at all times presidential," he says. "I would contend he was the smartest guy in the room. He had leadership skills we'd expect from a guy who had 35 years in the military."
Linkariffic. End of the article


Keep pushing this talking point, Repubs. You're going to have to take down Admiral McRaven to make this one stick. Good luck with that.
2012-05-01 11:41:45 AM
2 votes:
FACT: If Osama Bin Laden had been killed by the Bush Administration, there would still be semen stains on the roof of the Fox News Room.

The degree to which the GOP politicized the Iraq war dwarfs this example.

During the 2008 elections GOP candidates disagreed with Obama for saying that if he had information about Bin Laden in Pakistan, that he would go in and take him out. Which is exactly what happened, and now they look like the chicken hawks they are.

That is why they are going full retard over this issue. It's their Achilles heel.
2012-05-01 11:41:36 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: BillCo: Meh. I have no problem with Obama playing this up. I mean, it really is his only accomplishment.

Except for:

-Lily Ledbetter
-Credit CARD
-ACA
-Repeal of DADT
-Ending Iraq
-GM #1 automaker in the world


You're absolutely correct.


That list is pretty modest compared to the full list. Restoring the USA's reputation on the international stage is also a notable bullet among many others.
2012-05-01 11:25:21 AM
2 votes:
When you boil everything down, the real reason the GOP and its talking heads are upset with Obama's bin Laden ad is simple: he's using their playbook a black Democrat.
2012-05-01 11:18:49 AM
2 votes:
Now all of Bush administration flaks and has-beens are coming out to criticize Obama (Bolton, Rumsfeld). Romney should probably be quite on this issue and let it fade.

The problem is... Republicans can't do that. The fact that obama came out with such a hard and fast punch right to their "national security" jaw has bruised their egos. This attack on their manhood cannot stand and must be denounced vigoursly and repeatedly!

Of course, the longer Osama bin Laden tops the news cycle the better it is for Obama so basically he is using the Republicans own inability to reign in their message on this point against them.

I see this being repeated on a lot of issues.

It's kind of awesome. /popcorn
2012-05-01 04:26:47 PM
1 votes:

WombatControl: So, now Obama is in Afghanistan and will give another nationally televised speech tonight.

I have a feeling that this level of extreme ball-spiking will not play well with the American people. Afghanistan is a mess, and the fact that we killed bin Laden did nothing to change that.

Obama's trip is little more than a campaign rally, and that level of utter hubris is not something that the American people will tolerate.




Bwahahahaaa. Your concern sounds genuine.

So, how do you feel about the level of utter hubris in giving a speech on an aircraft carrier with the words "Mission Accomplished" in the background? Should that be considered spiking the ball before making the touchdown?
And who created the mess in Afghanistan, anyways? Do you think moving most of our resources into Iraq helped or hurt that effort?
2012-05-01 04:01:07 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: Lord_Baull: colon_pow: i first heard the term, in this reference, when the president said that we're not releasing the photos of dead bin laden, and we don't need to spike the football.


What do you recommend, then, for a sitting president to do during an election year to demonstrate his accomplishments during his tenure?

try to have at least a couple.


Well, our economy isn't a smoking crater, and is, in fact, recovering in every measurable way, DESPITE the obstruction and sabotage by the congressional Republicans. That's one thing.
2012-05-01 03:13:23 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: the more team obama goes around spiking this football


You sound upset that Bin Laden is dead, we might have a terrorist sympathizer here.
2012-05-01 01:25:30 PM
1 votes:
If this is the best the right can do when it comes to attacking Obama they haven't got a chance in November.

"He takes too much credit for the things he did!"

Really?
2012-05-01 12:35:44 PM
1 votes:
In American politics, no talking point is dumb enough not to work, if you implement it correctly. The right sort of mind can get mileage out of even the dumbest farking GED-in-law argument you've ever heard.

Karl Rove knew this. He was the master of this. His job was to win elections and he accomplished it by any means necessary and I definitely have a begrudging kind of respect for his evil genius. This is why he was able to portray Bush, the silver spoon draft-dodger, as a "war hero" and Kerry, the guy who actually got a Purple Heart, as a weak-kneed commie-loving hippie.

Rove got to know his opponents as well as he knows his base, and I think he knew Kerry was not the sort to respond forcefully to any kind of criticism, no matter how outlandish, and capitalized on it. It took Kerry forever to properly respond to all of the distortions towards his military service. That speaks volumes about his shortcomings as a candidate, but it also suggests Rove had a pretty good idea how he would react, and tailored the campaign accordingly.

Which is where I think the biggest problem lies for Republicans. They don't understand Obama. They overreact to the cartoonish characterization of Obama that exists solely in their echo chamber, rather than the reality of Obama, so they hurl attacks, flail wildly, and none of it sticks.
2012-05-01 12:33:37 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Weaver95: Headso:

republicans hate Obama so much they are mad Bin Laden is dead.

yeah, it's really really weird to watch. I think the GOP would rather have Bin Laden alive and planning bigger/better terrorist attacks on this country rather than see Obama get a 2-5 point rise in the polls over his death.

Prob not all members of the GOP, but soy_bomb for sure.


i'm not so sure. look, the GOP has had this weird subtext to much of their actions over the past couple years...and that being this unspoken hope for a massive number of US civilian deaths on the Democrats watch. its like the Republicans WANT the country to be terrified or that the GOP can't act on their legislative agenda without there being a whole lot of distractions going on.
2012-05-01 12:08:00 PM
1 votes:
Once upon a time, there was a king who wanted to build the grandest cathedral the world had ever seen. All the greatest architects of the land tried to secure the job, but none could convince the king that they shared his vision. Finally, an architect came to the king. "I will build you your cathedral," he said, "It will be twice as big as the biggest cathedral in the world, with a dome twice as big as the biggest dome, and a bell tower twice as big as the biggest bell tower."

The king's advisers said, "He's lying! What he promises is impossible. No one can build what he promises. Make him show us his plans, and we will prove he is a fraud."

The architect refused to show him his plans. Instead, he took an egg from within his cloak and said, "I will come back in a week. If, at that time, you can stand this egg on its long end, I will give you the plans for free. But if you cannot, and I can, you will pay me twice my asking price." The king considered and agreed.

In one week, true to his word, the architect returned. "Well, king," he said, "can you stand the egg on its end." The king said, "No, and no one else in the kingdom could do so as well." "Very well," the architect said, "Give me the egg." The architect took the egg, and, with one swift move, cracked the long end of the egg against the table, flattening it, and allowing it to stand upright. The king hired him on the spot.

The moral: Anything looks easy, once someone shows you how to do it.
2012-05-01 12:01:44 PM
1 votes:

unlikely: Weaver95: I find this conversation fascinating...

On so many levels.

I also like to watch gymnastics coverage during the olympics.


our GOP shills actually sound pissed off that Bin Laden got killed off.
2012-05-01 12:01:31 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I forgot who said it (David Corn I think), but if Osama had been killed under the Bush administration, Cheney would have hastened off to Mt. Rushmore and started carving in W's face.

Anyone who doesn't think Bush would have milked it mercilessly - far beyond what Obama has done - is a bloody fool.


Ridiculous. What, I bet you think Bush would have strapped on a flight suit, hopped into a Navy Jet, landed on an aircraft carrier to give a speech right there with an enormous "Mission Accomplished" banner or something, right? The way you portray Bush and the GOP is simply ridiculous. That would never happen.
2012-05-01 12:00:53 PM
1 votes:
The GOP of all people is whining about the politicization of national security???!?!?!?

Who the farking fark do they think they are trying to fool with this line of BS???
2012-05-01 12:00:43 PM
1 votes:

Il Douchey: ST6: "Mr. President, we've cornered BinLaden. Our Seals are poised and ready to strike, every second of delay jeopardizes the Seal's lives and the mission's success, so all we need is your simple consent to do this thing"

Obama: "But I'm in the middle of an important round of golf; and we still need to round up everybody for a historic photo-op. I really need to think this over"

ST6: "But, Mr. President, surely you've considered this nearly inevitable endgame call already; it's the culmination of everything we've been doing for the last decade...It's a simple question Mr. President, just answer yes or no, and we can move on"

Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"


too stupid; didn't read
2012-05-01 11:54:43 AM
1 votes:
I forgot who said it (David Corn I think), but if Osama had been killed under the Bush administration, Cheney would have hastened off to Mt. Rushmore and started carving in W's face.

Anyone who doesn't think Bush would have milked it mercilessly - far beyond what Obama has done - is a bloody fool.
2012-05-01 11:48:20 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Sure.
We all remember all of the political ads by bush about how we captured saddam Hussein. Then there were the follow up ads about when he was executed

Yeah. They played those every year and through the 2008 campaign.


Bush didn't run in 2008, you colossal farking retard.
2012-05-01 11:47:50 AM
1 votes:

soy_bomb: As far as I am concerned, don't stop Obama from bragging that he killed UBL. Step back and let him go off the deep end with it.


Awwww, look how hard the pathetic partisan twat is trying to make this bullshiat talking point stick...

What is this, the third thread today you've tried this in?

The GOP is getting beat on their own ground and you clowns are making yourselves look ridiculous trying to spin it into a negative for the Obama Administration.

I almost feel sorry for you... Almost.
2012-05-01 11:41:41 AM
1 votes:

Il Douchey:

Il Douchey: Mr. President, do you have a minute?

Obama: Mr. Il Douchey, what can I do for you?

II Douchey:
Well, me and the other closet queens in the GOP 101st Keyboard Derp Brigade were talking about, y'know, the rumor.


Obama: The Rumor?

II Douchey: K'now, that stereotype, about blackman thingees?

Obama: Blackman thingees? WTF?

II Douchey: You know....penises. . Is it true?

Obama: *SIghs* Jesus Christ, I went through this same bullshiat with Coulter. (Unzips pant) Yes, see, it's true!

II Douchey: Oh my *blushes* I never knew. Can I...Can I ....touch it?

* KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK*

II Douchey's Mom: What are you doing in the bathroom! You've been in there for over an hour!!!!

II Douchey: NOTHING MOM! LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! *throws his Obama doll under the sink and pulls up his pants*

II Douchey's Mom: Then come out, I'm worried about you!!! Are you having problems making poopies?

*II Douchey opens bathroom door and storms out past his Mom*

II Douchey: Dammit Mom, we talked about this......
2012-05-01 11:40:13 AM
1 votes:
LOL. What a bullshiat argument. Obama scores the winning touchdown, hands the ball to the ref like Barry Sanders and gets mobbed by a few teammates before coming out and saying, "look, its not time to spike the football".

Republicans in 2012: "Look at Obama showboating and celebrating!! He's the Chad Ochocinco of Presidents! NOBODY would celebrate this.

Republicans in 2004: "Do that dance President Bush! Go Bushie, it's your birthday! Go Bushie, it's your birthday! Mission Accomplished! If Jon Kerry were President we'd be a farking smoking crater in the ground by the next election."

/Consistency is not one of their strong points.
2012-05-01 11:38:07 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...


Well, for about 40 years now, it's been against the rules for democrat to criticize republicans. This helps to understand why team GOP holds its breath until it turns blue every time Obama criticizes them - after they successfully transformed the democrats into a party of spineless wimps afraid of their shadows, they themselves turned into giant pussies. They no longer know how to deal with anyone who challenges them - especially not a bla- blah ... I mean nig ... nigotiator like Obama.
2012-05-01 11:36:46 AM
1 votes:

soy_bomb: As far as I am concerned, don't stop Obama from bragging that he killed UBL. Step back and let him go off the deep end with it.


So you've got no useful spin or counter is what you're saying.
2012-05-01 11:30:24 AM
1 votes:
That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...
2012-05-01 11:28:57 AM
1 votes:

Il Douchey: ST6: "Mr. President, we've cornered BinLaden. Our Seals are poised and ready to strike, every second of delay jeopardizes the Seal's lives and the mission's success, so all we need is your simple consent to do this thing"

Obama: "But I'm in the middle of an important round of golf; and we still need to round up everybody for a historic photo-op. I really need to think this over"

ST6: "But, Mr. President, surely you've considered this nearly inevitable endgame call already; it's the culmination of everything we've been doing for the last decade...It's a simple question Mr. President, just answer yes or no, and we can move on"

Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"


please put your dick in a blender and put it on frappe.
2012-05-01 11:28:43 AM
1 votes:

BillCo: Meh. I have no problem with Obama playing this up. I mean, it really is his only accomplishment that I can't possibly ignore/avoid/spin/etc.


You're cute. FTFY.
2012-05-01 11:28:39 AM
1 votes:
I strongly endorse the GOP keeping the debate alive as to whether Obama's decision to capture/kill OBL was uniquely great or commonly great. Just like they kept the debate going whether or not women should have access to affordable contraception for 3 months.
2012-05-01 11:26:07 AM
1 votes:
This is a turf war, and the GOP have been holding on to this patch for decades it seems. They aren't going to let it go without a fight, but they've chosen poorly as far as opponents go.
2012-05-01 11:21:59 AM
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One more thing to add to the catalog of Obama's Big Brass Balls:

7. He made his decision knowing full well what happened to Carter when he made a very similar call (a decision, by the way, that also required big brass balls).
2012-05-01 11:21:45 AM
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TIKIMAN87: Obama didn't make the call. The Pentagon did.

He is lying about making the decision to go in after Osama and only using it as a phoney political strategy.


As a veteran of Afghanistan, I just want to take a moment and let you know you're a giant idiot.
2012-05-01 11:17:48 AM
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Bloody William: It's hilarious to see the right-wing try to make some bizarre fantasy about what "really" happened, because they're so obsessed with stopping Obama they can't admit that something actually went right when he gave the order.

No, it was the Pentagon that really did it. No, it was his advisers. No, Seal Team Six went Expendables on bin Laden against Obama's orders. Anything but facing the fact that there was a tough decision and Obama said, "Go, even though it's risky. We need to do this."


But if anything had gone wrong, either by losing lives of the SEALS, failing to kill Osama, or severe public outcry/ political blowback from Pakistan, they would have rubbed themselves raw over this as a mistake by Obama. And we all know it.
2012-05-01 11:13:28 AM
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TIKIMAN87: Obama didn't make the call. The Pentagon did.

He is lying about making the decision to go in after Osama and only using it as a phoney political strategy.


Have you a reference in support of your claim? If your claim is accurate, then for what reason are the military officials who acted without required authorization from the President of the United States of America free rather than in prison for treason?
2012-05-01 11:09:21 AM
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cameroncrazy1984: BillCo: Meh. I have no problem with Obama playing this up. I mean, it really is his only accomplishment.

Except for:

-Lily Ledbetter
-Credit CARD
-ACA
-Repeal of DADT
-Ending Iraq
-GM #1 automaker in the world


You're absolutely correct.


I'm not sure BillCo is supportive of any of that stuff. He wants the women in the kitchen and the queers in the closet and the Arabs in the crosshairs.
2012-05-01 11:09:05 AM
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It's hilarious to see the right-wing try to make some bizarre fantasy about what "really" happened, because they're so obsessed with stopping Obama they can't admit that something actually went right when he gave the order.

No, it was the Pentagon that really did it. No, it was his advisers. No, Seal Team Six went Expendables on bin Laden against Obama's orders. Anything but facing the fact that there was a tough decision and Obama said, "Go, even though it's risky. We need to do this."
2012-05-01 11:08:20 AM
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That's actually a pretty good counter to an opponent that attacks you on your strengths: co-opt his strengths. Then he is attacking himself.
2012-05-01 11:05:13 AM
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Obama actually did kill Bin Laden. Achieving the stated goal and telling the truth about it is not part of the GOP playbook.
2012-05-01 09:49:29 AM
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Frankly, the word on the street in Pakistan is that the reason we never saw Osama's body is that Osama was never there.

Of course, the word on the street in Pakistan is always subject to considerable skepticism. But, observers point out the following:
* There was never an unusual traffic coming in and out of the compound that would have indicated someone important holding up there.
* There were no guards posted at points around the compound that would have aroused suspicion.
* In a country notorious for loose lips sinking ships, no one ever hinted at any unusual activity or presence at the compound - though even lower-level officials would have had to have some knowledge.
* Osama was said to have been a very sick man, likely in need of continual dialysis - yet there was never any indication of him coming out for hospital visits, or doctors going in on a regular basis.
* Though Pakistan is full of Osama supporters, there was no massive public outcry against the US "invasion" - and the Pakistanis love to take to the streets.

All circumstantial to be sure. But, faced with choosing between believing the Pakistanis and Barack Obama, it is a toss-up at best.


Republicans - supporting terrorists since Jan 20, 2009.
2012-05-01 09:32:43 AM
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Lets not forget, it was Bush's White House that ignored the "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In the US" memo. They were too busy fighting Ashcroft's War on Pornography. Did not think bin Laden was a credible threat.
2012-05-01 09:21:16 AM
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BillCo: Meh. I have no problem with Obama playing this up. I mean, it really is his only accomplishment.


Except for:

-Lily Ledbetter
-Credit CARD
-ACA
-Repeal of DADT
-Ending Iraq
-GM #1 automaker in the world


You're absolutely correct.
2012-05-01 09:21:03 AM
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They're also upset that they failed miserably in catching or killing him, even after ten years of screaming about how they're the only ones who could.

But then again, they had Bush at the helm the whole time so failure really was the only option.
2012-05-01 09:16:01 AM
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Il Douchey: Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"


ok, let's assume for a second that this is how it actually went down.

so you're saying that obama is such a farking zen master and operating on such a higher plane than everyone else that he's able to finish a round of golf AND order the successful assassination of the man who perpetrated the greatest terrorist attack in US history? a man who eluded the republican president before him?

HE'S GOT MY VOTE!
2012-05-01 09:03:31 AM
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Il Douchey: ST6: "Mr. President, we've cornered BinLaden. Our Seals are poised and ready to strike, every second of delay jeopardizes the Seal's lives and the mission's success, so all we need is your simple consent to do this thing"

Obama: "But I'm in the middle of an important round of golf; and we still need to round up everybody for a historic photo-op. I really need to think this over"

ST6: "But, Mr. President, surely you've considered this nearly inevitable endgame call already; it's the culmination of everything we've been doing for the last decade...It's a simple question Mr. President, just answer yes or no, and we can move on"

Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"


I hope to God you're at least getting paid for what you've been doing around here for the last week or so. The idea that you may be doing this for free is too depressing to consider.
2012-05-01 08:38:54 AM
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Dead bogeymen can no longer be used to instill fear in the rubes
 
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