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(The Daily Beast)   When you boil everything down, the real reason the GOP and its talking heads are upset with Obama's bin Laden ad is simple: he's using their playbook. And it's working. Ric Romero nods in agreement   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 313
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2012-05-01 12:15:08 PM

sprawl15: Why would he carry an egg around in his cape? Does he have a special egg sling just in case someone questions his credentials?


I'm surprised you haven't heard of this. The egg test is a proven indicator of skill in any field.
 
2012-05-01 12:16:10 PM

BillCo: Meh. I have no problem with Obama playing this up. I mean, it really is his only accomplishment.


Well, that and over two years of continuous job growth.
 
2012-05-01 12:17:33 PM

soy_bomb: HotWingConspiracy: soy_bomb: As far as I am concerned, don't stop Obama from bragging that he killed UBL. Step back and let him go off the deep end with it.
So you've got no useful spin or counter is what you're saying.

Why do I need to spin or counter? I am encouraging Obama to continue the behavior he has exhibited for the last few days.


yes, but for some reason you think Obama is misbehaving while the rest of the country thinks of his actions in a positive manner. THAT'S the joke son!
 
2012-05-01 12:18:44 PM

MyRandomName: Do liberals really not understand logic?



Why is it that individuals with an 8th grade reading level (and a degree of spacial reasoning that barely qualifies them to do manual labor) always use this phrase as if it actually helps their point, and convinces everyone else listening that he/she is some kind of mathematical genius instead of the obvious (opposite) truth? It just makes you look like a douche, lacking logical reasoning yourself, with a chip on your shoulder, and some latent penis envy issues.
 
2012-05-01 12:18:46 PM

Bloody William: I love how the narrative is now "The pins were all lined up for Obama, he just had to say yes!"

It's not just dismissing Obama, but it's dismissing the fact that a raid into a compound on the soil of a sovereign nation with which we're allied is incredibly risky for many many reasons, and no insertion, especially with immediate extract, can be considered a "simple" thing. There was more than strategic planning to find bin Laden and get him. There had to have been extensive and careful tactical planning to actually make sure the raid would go down without becoming a bug hunt.


When Clinton went after OBL, he was accused of trying to distract from BJ gate. Apparently, Bush's policies were able to get OBL despite interference from Obama.
 
2012-05-01 12:19:07 PM
it's gonna be funny when the navy seals start speaking out about this.
 
2012-05-01 12:19:18 PM

James F. Campbell: 2 Douchey: I could have sworn I put you on ignore already. Back to the depths of hell with ye, farkwit.


You sure showed him! Bet he's crying in shame now! Please continue to update us on your ignore list, we are all so very interested.
 
2012-05-01 12:19:43 PM

sprawl15: RyogaM: The architect refused to show him his plans. Instead, he took an egg from within his cloak and said, "I will come back in a week. If, at that time, you can stand this egg on its long end, I will give you the plans for free. But if you cannot, and I can, you will pay me twice my asking price." The king considered and agreed.

Why would he carry an egg around in his cape? Does he have a special egg sling just in case someone questions his credentials?



lol! This is why I have you favorited as Supreme Commander in the Battle of Minutae. Well done!
 
2012-05-01 12:20:32 PM

sprawl15: Why would he carry an egg around in his cape? Does he have a special egg sling just in case someone questions his credentials?


You don't?
 
2012-05-01 12:20:57 PM

soy_bomb: HotWingConspiracy: soy_bomb: As far as I am concerned, don't stop Obama from bragging that he killed UBL. Step back and let him go off the deep end with it.
So you've got no useful spin or counter is what you're saying.

Why do I need to spin or counter? I am encouraging Obama to continue the behavior he has exhibited for the last few days.


republicans hate Obama so much they are mad Bin Laden is dead.
 
2012-05-01 12:21:46 PM

phritz: One more thing to add to the catalog of Obama's Big Brass Balls:

7. He made his decision knowing full well what happened to Carter when he made a very similar call (a decision, by the way, that also required big brass balls).


He also made the call knowing full well Clinton was berated for not making the call in time in 98. Your point?
 
2012-05-01 12:23:14 PM
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"Republicans... you magnificent bastards, *I read your book*!
 
2012-05-01 12:23:22 PM

Headso:

republicans hate Obama so much they are mad Bin Laden is dead.


yeah, it's really really weird to watch. I think the GOP would rather have Bin Laden alive and planning bigger/better terrorist attacks on this country rather than see Obama get a 2-5 point rise in the polls over his death.

that implies a level of hatred towards Obama and the United States that is difficult for me to contemplate.
 
2012-05-01 12:24:21 PM

Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...


Romney was asked to clarify mere days after the statement. He did. Obama ignored this in the ad because romney bluntly stated obl would die. It is quite disingenuous to use a statement already clarified 4 years ago. In fact it is stupid and panders to segment of his followers too stupid to actually pay attention, hence why fark libs love it.
 
2012-05-01 12:25:55 PM

MyRandomName: Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...

Romney was asked to clarify mere days after the statement. He did. Obama ignored this in the ad because romney bluntly stated obl would die. It is quite disingenuous to use a statement already clarified 4 years ago. In fact it is stupid and panders to segment of his followers too stupid to actually pay attention, hence why fark libs love it.


so basically Obama outplayed Romney and that's what's got you mad as hell? dude...I hate to say this but...this IS the big leagues. either Romney steps up his game or the President is gonna keep kicking his ass in the PR game.
 
2012-05-01 12:26:32 PM

sprawl15: RyogaM: The architect refused to show him his plans. Instead, he took an egg from within his cloak and said, "I will come back in a week. If, at that time, you can stand this egg on its long end, I will give you the plans for free. But if you cannot, and I can, you will pay me twice my asking price." The king considered and agreed.

Why would he carry an egg around in his cape? Does he have a special egg sling just in case someone questions his credentials?


Um, he was on the way to his second job as a short-order cook, and has to bring his own supplies because his boss is a jerk. He also had bacon, if that helps.
 
2012-05-01 12:29:13 PM

theorellior: sprawl15: Why would he carry an egg around in his cape? Does he have a special egg sling just in case someone questions his credentials?

You don't?


Well, I have something I call my egg sling. I wouldn't crush its contents on a table in front of a king, however.
 
2012-05-01 12:29:42 PM
If only Giuliani 9/11 had run for president 9/11 we could put an end 9/11 to all of this politicizing 9/11 of national security 9/11.

//9/11
 
2012-05-01 12:31:08 PM

Weaver95: Headso:

republicans hate Obama so much they are mad Bin Laden is dead.

yeah, it's really really weird to watch. I think the GOP would rather have Bin Laden alive and planning bigger/better terrorist attacks on this country rather than see Obama get a 2-5 point rise in the polls over his death.


Prob not all members of the GOP, but soy_bomb for sure.
 
2012-05-01 12:33:29 PM
It's fun to see the Conservatives get all butthurt over Obama upstaging the GOP in the "National Security" department.
 
2012-05-01 12:33:37 PM

Headso: Weaver95: Headso:

republicans hate Obama so much they are mad Bin Laden is dead.

yeah, it's really really weird to watch. I think the GOP would rather have Bin Laden alive and planning bigger/better terrorist attacks on this country rather than see Obama get a 2-5 point rise in the polls over his death.

Prob not all members of the GOP, but soy_bomb for sure.


i'm not so sure. look, the GOP has had this weird subtext to much of their actions over the past couple years...and that being this unspoken hope for a massive number of US civilian deaths on the Democrats watch. its like the Republicans WANT the country to be terrified or that the GOP can't act on their legislative agenda without there being a whole lot of distractions going on.
 
2012-05-01 12:35:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: It's fun to see the Conservatives get all butthurt over Obama upstaging the GOP in the "National Security" department.


It would be more amusing to see something they don't get butthurt over.
 
2012-05-01 12:35:44 PM
In American politics, no talking point is dumb enough not to work, if you implement it correctly. The right sort of mind can get mileage out of even the dumbest farking GED-in-law argument you've ever heard.

Karl Rove knew this. He was the master of this. His job was to win elections and he accomplished it by any means necessary and I definitely have a begrudging kind of respect for his evil genius. This is why he was able to portray Bush, the silver spoon draft-dodger, as a "war hero" and Kerry, the guy who actually got a Purple Heart, as a weak-kneed commie-loving hippie.

Rove got to know his opponents as well as he knows his base, and I think he knew Kerry was not the sort to respond forcefully to any kind of criticism, no matter how outlandish, and capitalized on it. It took Kerry forever to properly respond to all of the distortions towards his military service. That speaks volumes about his shortcomings as a candidate, but it also suggests Rove had a pretty good idea how he would react, and tailored the campaign accordingly.

Which is where I think the biggest problem lies for Republicans. They don't understand Obama. They overreact to the cartoonish characterization of Obama that exists solely in their echo chamber, rather than the reality of Obama, so they hurl attacks, flail wildly, and none of it sticks.
 
2012-05-01 12:37:20 PM

NateGrey: Republicans cant catch a break.

They try and try to get something to stick to Obama, anything, and he just laughs them off.

Obama caught on a live mic about leeway after elections. ZOMG he is Soviet spy. Then normal people forget about it and Teapublicans are grinding their teeth.

Obama ate dog meat as a young child, makes jokes about it and gets laughs.

It sucks to be a Republican.

/Vote Republican



I imagine it's like being a Redskins fan. There's a lot of fans that have a lot of passion, but the team is full of duds and the only thing they walk away with every year is a hearty helping of shame and disappointment.

/not a Redskins fan
 
2012-05-01 12:38:15 PM

MyRandomName: Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...

Romney was asked to clarify mere days after the statement. He did. Obama ignored this in the ad because romney bluntly stated obl would die. It is quite disingenuous to use a statement already clarified 4 years ago. In fact it is stupid and panders to segment of his followers too stupid to actually pay attention, hence why fark libs love it.


Mitt Romney, 2008: "I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort."

Obama ignored this statement in the ad also. It goes to the very crux of the matter: everyone, Bush, Hillary, McCain, and Romney, criticized Obama for stating he would go into Pakistan to get high-value targets without Pakistan's permission or knowledge. Romney's statement is even worse, because his statement implies that he would not have entered and ally of our even with permission, because it would make other countries less likely to join us in our effort to defeat al Qaeda. The Osama mission would have failed catastrophically, we would not have gotten Osama and his treasure trove of intel, and our SEALs would have been greeted with a compound full of terrorists waiting for them if we told Pakistan we were coming.
 
2012-05-01 12:38:42 PM

MyRandomName: Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...

Romney was asked to clarify alter his comments, as they did not poll well, mere days after the statement. He did. Obama ignored this in the ad because romney bluntly stated obl would die eventually.


ftfy
 
2012-05-01 12:41:17 PM

MyRandomName: Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...

Romney was asked to clarify mere days after the statement. He did. Obama ignored this in the ad because romney bluntly stated obl would die. It is quite disingenuous to use a statement already clarified 4 years ago. In fact it is stupid and panders to segment of his followers too stupid to actually pay attention, hence why fark libs love it.


So you're telling me Romney changed his position based on political pressure?

We already KNEW that about Romney. The man doesn't have a single consistent policy position.
 
2012-05-01 12:42:52 PM

FlashHarry: so you're saying that obama is such a farking zen master and operating on such a higher plane than everyone else that he's able to finish a round of golf AND order the successful assassination of the man who perpetrated the greatest terrorist attack in US history? a man who eluded the republican president before him?


A Jedi considers it unsporting to use the Force in an ordinary, friendly golf game, but when a crisis arises one does what one must.
 
2012-05-01 12:43:52 PM

colon_pow: it's gonna be funny when the navy seals start speaking out about this.



Special Ops people have spoken out before. It does happen. In fact, one spoke out about how Dubya failed to five the strike order when they had OBL cornered at Tora Bora.

What would they say about Fartbongo that would affirm the grade-school fantasy world you've constructed for yourself?
 
2012-05-01 12:44:19 PM

sprawl15: theorellior: sprawl15: Why would he carry an egg around in his cape? Does he have a special egg sling just in case someone questions his credentials?

You don't?

Well, I have something I call my egg sling. I wouldn't crush its contents on a table in front of a king, however.


I will require assistance in removing the potato chip crumbs from my keyboard.

/glorious!
 
2012-05-01 12:45:26 PM
It's hilarious watching the usual idiots cry about "misleading ads"...
 
2012-05-01 12:50:22 PM

mrshowrules: colon_pow: it's gonna be funny when the navy seals start speaking out about this.


Special Ops people have spoken out before. It does happen. In fact, one spoke out about how Dubya failed to five the strike order when they had OBL cornered at Tora Bora.

What would they say about Fartbongo that would affirm the grade-school fantasy world you've constructed for yourself?


this kind of stuff...

Link
 
2012-05-01 12:51:14 PM
When you boil everything down, you usually end up with a charred, sticky layer of inedible burnt paste clinging to the bottom of the pot.
 
2012-05-01 12:52:01 PM

Rann Xerox: "Republicans... you magnificent bastards, *I read your book*!


Excellent reference, by the way.

That would be freaking hilarious if Obama just adopted all of Rove's tactics for this election. I think Rove would have a brain aneurysm.
 
2012-05-01 12:53:21 PM

canyoneer: When you boil everything down, you usually end up with a charred, sticky layer of inedible burnt paste clinging to the bottom of the pot.


and the eggs are all cracked and rubbery
 
2012-05-01 12:58:15 PM
Fact: If Bush had gotten bin Laden we would have had GW Bush day parades on that date every year.

Of course they hate it that Obama is actually doing a better job than they did.

And of course they're butthurt because he took that talking point from them.

Remember when they used to tell us if a Democrat was elected they'd be attacked immediately?
Why Cheney pretty much told us that if Obama were elected that he would be tested his first year in office because he was weak on terror.

And yes Boehner and co. campaigned on it. as per his confidential memo to his fellow congress members

As a result of our efforts during this debate, Americans will recognize that on the issue of national security, they have a clear choice between a Republican Party aware of the stakes and dedicated to victory, versus a Democrat Party without a coherent national security policy that sheepishly dismisses the challenges America faces in a post- 9/11 world.
 
2012-05-01 12:58:34 PM

phritz: Mikey1969: That's it? THAT'S the ad? I've been meaning to watch it, and now that I did, I must admit to being quite let down. So you have a candidate running in office and listing an achievement, while listing specific quotes that his opponent has made regarding HIS unwillingness to do the same as the current candidate, and that's 'bad'?

Grow up, people...

Well, for about 40 years now, it's been against the rules for democrat to criticize republicans. This helps to understand why team GOP holds its breath until it turns blue every time Obama criticizes them - after they successfully transformed the democrats into a party of spineless wimps afraid of their shadows, they themselves turned into giant pussies. They no longer know how to deal with anyone who challenges them - especially not a bla- blah ... I mean nig ... nigotiator like Obama.


Yeah. it's really hard to stay an Independent when the Right has turned into a giant collection of backstabbing asshats. The Dems have stayed so timid that I can't swing completely to their side either, but at the current pace, I would take 1,000 Dems over any of these Republicans, with the exception of Huntsman. The Right deosn't seem to understand that you can be all pro defense and FOR a hard line stance and STILL use diplomacy as your first tactic in most situations, and the Dems don't seem to know how to actually dig in and fight.

As a result, the Right has put the 'asshole' in USA.

What we really need is a 4 or 5 Party system, it balances everything out in the middle, with no one side getting close to capsizing the boat.

/Or better yet, NO parties...
 
2012-05-01 01:00:29 PM

sprawl15: It's undignified and unbefitting the office of the President of the United States, Leader of the Free World, Bastion of Democracy in the vast Ocean of Tyranny and Subversion to play to win.


Well. unless he was a Republican of course. THEN he'd throw on a flight suit and appear on the deck of an airdraft carrier with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner in the background. Hell, Republicans are so cool that they don't even have to wait for the 'Mission' to be 'Accomplished'...
 
2012-05-01 01:03:36 PM

canyoneer: When you boil everything down, you usually end up with a charred, sticky layer of inedible burnt paste clinging to the bottom of the pot.


Not necessarily... Someone who knows what they're doing can end up with a lovely sauce with excellent flavor and consistency.
 
2012-05-01 01:03:44 PM

Slaves2Darkness: SilentStrider: Il Douchey: ST6: "Mr. President, we've cornered BinLaden. Our Seals are poised and ready to strike, every second of delay jeopardizes the Seal's lives and the mission's success, so all we need is your simple consent to do this thing"

Obama: "But I'm in the middle of an important round of golf; and we still need to round up everybody for a historic photo-op. I really need to think this over"

ST6: "But, Mr. President, surely you've considered this nearly inevitable endgame call already; it's the culmination of everything we've been doing for the last decade...It's a simple question Mr. President, just answer yes or no, and we can move on"

Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"

What is this I don't even

Shhh...it is a Republitard fantasy.

Facts that Republitards ignore about the OBL assault.

1. Obama insisted it not be done with a bombing campaign in order to avoid civilian casualties.

2. Obama insisted that the assault team be larger in order to engage Pakistani force and fight their way out of the country.

3. Obama debated a drone strike, but independent analysis of the intelligence put the likely hood of OBL being the man in the compound at 50/50.

4. A failed assault would probably ended Obama's chances to win 2012.

5. It was 2-3 days after the go command was issued before the weather cleared and ST 6 was able to attempt the assault.

6. If the assault team had not been as large as it was the assault would have failed, because of the helicopter crash.

The planning and decision to execute the attack is one of the bravest decisions a US president has ever made, he bet years of intelligence work, his presidency and the lives of those men on one throw of the dice.

President Obama is a great president and history will remember him as a giant among midgets. He should be imm ...


I know someone posted links to some of those comments the other day. Can someone be kind enough to repost it (or maybe repost this comment with the links attached)?

I'd do it myself, but I only have a few minutes at a time to spare thanks to my job, and I really, REALLY want to serve a big cup of STFU to some of my conservative buddies on Facebook who keep spouting off the "he doesn't deserve any credit for this at all" bullsh*t.

/much thanks :-)
 
2012-05-01 01:04:32 PM

canyoneer: When you boil everything down, you usually end up with a charred, sticky layer of inedible burnt paste clinging to the bottom of the pot.


I think you need to check the copper wiring on your still.
 
2012-05-01 01:09:16 PM

Weaver95: canyoneer: When you boil everything down, you usually end up with a charred, sticky layer of inedible burnt paste clinging to the bottom of the pot.

I think you need to check the copper wiring on your still.


Shhhhhhhhh! The revenuers watch these threads!
 
2012-05-01 01:09:45 PM
If you absolutely have to attack Obama on defense, you could easily use his expanded use of drone attacks as your argument. Not only did one of our drones get captured by the Iranians, but they also don't have the best record when it comes to civilian casualties. I think that's a valid criticism.

But instead you run with this, which is exactly why you deserve to lose.
 
2012-05-01 01:12:39 PM

Bag of Hammers: Il Douchey:

Il Douchey: Mr. President, do you have a minute?...


God, what a fitting fark handle that guy picked.
 
2012-05-01 01:16:32 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Bush Jr. didn't want to go after Bin Laden. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority"


Jake Havechek: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02


George Bush never said this.

He said a lot of things that were similar to this, but this particular quote is a fabrication.
 
2012-05-01 01:18:23 PM

Bloody William: Examples? Or is this some sort of weird satire?


no, it's s/citrus/lemon s/shindig/party
 
2012-05-01 01:18:45 PM

colon_pow: Il Douchey: ST6: "Mr. President, we've cornered BinLaden. Our Seals are poised and ready to strike, every second of delay jeopardizes the Seal's lives and the mission's success, so all we need is your simple consent to do this thing"

Obama: "But I'm in the middle of an important round of golf; and we still need to round up everybody for a historic photo-op. I really need to think this over"

ST6: "But, Mr. President, surely you've considered this nearly inevitable endgame call already; it's the culmination of everything we've been doing for the last decade...It's a simple question Mr. President, just answer yes or no, and we can move on"

Obama: "OK, look, we're at the turn; just give me forty minutes to grab a hot dog and put a black jacket over my golf shirt and I'll meet you in the Situation room for the picture -I mean the call, the call"

spot on, Il Dude.


Are these two really this stupid? This has to be an act, right?
 
2012-05-01 01:19:42 PM

NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: It's fun to see the Conservatives get all butthurt over Obama upstaging the GOP in the "National Security" department.

It would be more amusing to see something they don't get butthurt over.


Tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
2012-05-01 01:19:54 PM

Jake Havechek: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)


But they sure killed the shiat out of Saddam! Why, I'm not exactly sure...
 
2012-05-01 01:25:30 PM
If this is the best the right can do when it comes to attacking Obama they haven't got a chance in November.

"He takes too much credit for the things he did!"

Really?
 
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