fatalvenom: I'd love to see a good NHL fighter get in the octo once to see what he could do.

Here ya go:

Link

When I was 25, my 58 year old uncle had some boxing gloves and I thought I could beat his ass....30 seconds later when I got up off the ground, my Dad finished laughing and told me about my uncle boxing in the Marine Corps in the 1950's

/I'm almost 50 now and wishing I could kick some 20 somethings ass

That 53 year old has probably done heavy work every day for the last 30 years. Probably been in a few brawls too. Still an accomplishment.

What the hell is with all you people fighting your dads and uncles? Is this common? Did I miss a memo?


/we usually just go fishing.

That looks like a normal bar fight.

that wasn't a fixed fight

this is a fixed fight Link

he even does the WWE tap

Here is a professional's opinion:

the older dude is out of trim but he's not unfit for this. Anybody can keep it up for three minutes(DOHOHO VIAGRA JOKE). He's not untrained, he did some boxing or something somewhere, he can throw a punch and stand up. Niether one is really skilled. MMA makes shiatty boxers and shiatty wrestlers on purpose, so no surprises there. The younger dude is taking it easy on him, at least, he's not fighting with his heart until its too late.

Key point: The old dude is pasting those hits in. every punch he lands is a truck, and it hurts. You can't see it unless you know what to look for, but Black Trunks is getting ringy-dingied on every head hit, and he doesn't realize the danger until he's half KTFO.

funny stuff, and doubtless a legendary clip, but it doesn't prove anything beyond HEY STUPID, don't let a guy up again, don't be a punching bag, and hey guess what a guy with 30-40 lbs on you is going hit you pretty GD hard, dumbass.

I only hope the old man earned enough money to help Aunt May pay the mortgage.

the kid threw the fight.

obvious really. You could see him stopping himself from finishing the old man off at :45 - :50

Dancin_In_Anson: The 2:20 mark reminds me of when I was 16 and told my Dad (56) that I could kick his ass.

I was wrong.

/miss you Pop.

I'm 35 and my 15 year old son likes to take a go at me every now and then (all in fun, mind you). I always win, but I'll never tell him how close he gets.

Headso: The MMA fights are too scientific, bring back tough man. Those were fun to watch, you'd get two fat guys throwing haymakers until one connects in one fight and a 100lb weight disadvantage in the next and then a golden glove guy versus some redneck, it was crazy.

This is for you.

ModernPrimitive01

MMA...........it's for the gays.

They play it at our local dive gay bar all the time.

ModernPrimitive01: MMA...........it's for the gays.

/there are plenty of places around the web to watch 2 guys hump

Good to know - We'll bow to your superior knowledge of gay porn sites then.

"trained"

This word you keep using blah blah blah

TheLopper: What the hell is with all you people fighting your dads and uncles? Is this common? Did I miss a memo?


/we usually just go fishing.

You sound gay.

Seriously though... it's kind of a right of passage for a lot of people. Actually... I guess it's technically not "passage" since the inevitable outcome is that dad knows shiat you don't and he's going to whoop your punk ass.

I tried it... My dad was 36 when I was born... so by the time I got around to trying my luck, he was already old and pretty fat. I guess I forgot the part about him playing "pro" football in the 50's and his teenage boxing training.

He's 75 now... I might try it again.

/It started because I said, "Crap" to my mom. It's been the 50's in their house for about 60 years.
// Love you... sir.

come on man... putting on boxing gloves doesn't make you a boxer. Getting in the cage doesn't make you an MMA fighter. The kid let him live the first time he knocked him down, then he totally gassed out before the first round was even over. He had zero ground skills and his striking looked totally unschooled. This looked more like a toughman contest than an MMA match.

I was like "How can you people not realize how fake this is?" Then I remembered the weekly WWE Raw thread, and I was like "Oooooh, I am in one"

parazen: I was like "How can you people not realize how fake this is?" Then I remembered the weekly WWE Raw thread, and I was like "Oooooh, I am in one"

If you've ever been to an amateur night, this fight looks quite legit. In Tampa, FL we have a amateur MMA ring and I go just for cheap beer and good laughs at how terrible some of the fighters are.

Every now and then (1 out of 10?) you catch someone who actually KNOW's what he is doing and seriously whip the crap out of someone.
8 out of 10 end up like this fight, pure crap and laughable.
1 out of 10 you actually have a decent fight between 2 amateurs who are wanting to learn/fight and actually have decent instructors/managers.

I did martial arts for most of my life, and stepped into the ring - it turned out it was pretty bad, I had no formal "MMA" training, except I watched enough Mike Tyson videos to feel like billy badarse.
Yeah, my fight ended in a draw - both of us bleeding from all over, I still have a great scar above my eye where it got split open few weeks ago.

Needless to say, unless you seriously want to wake up the next day in a very BAD painful way, sure take a shot at amateur.

/thinking of taking up golf, less chance to get killed

NuttierThanEver: Like anything popular MMA has its share of posers who are more into the image and cool t-shirts and acting like a badass (without actually you know, being one) than in putting in the work it takes to really master the skills to become a good fighter. The "MMA" school (actually a car repair place converted to a "combat training gym" by throwing some rubber mats on the floor) near where I live holds semi-regular cage fights at the local fairgrounds. The majority of the fighters are doughy morons who spend the majority of the time getting winded from staring at each other.

... That sounds like a ring I want to get in.

Nothing sounds more enjoyable than a ring full of doughy wannabes wanting to fight.

Klippoklondike: Carth: bhcompy: MrJesus: bhcompy: Carth: MrJesus:

ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground


Only if you're an LAPD officer in a physical altercation with a subject (source) The Gracies always seem to leave the source out when plugging BJJ.

Not that you should train BJJ for self-defense on the ground anyways, particularly since badguys don't wear keikogis

No-Gi exists for a reason. Also, people are usually wearing some type of clothing (usually), so it isn't totally useless.

Sure, but there are far more effective ground martial arts for self defense.

Which ones are you thinking? Sambo, Olympic wrestling? MMA grappling is probably better since it allows striking as well but it is heavily based on BJJ.

I have a feeling MMA grappling will be it's own martial art in the next 10 or so years. For a long time mma fighters couldn't train it all at one gym, they had to go to a separate training facilities; a wrestling place, a boxing place, a muay thai place, a kickboxing place, a bjj place. Now, there are actual mma gyms that train it all at once while blending it together into one thing. I know Greg Jackson (famous trainer of Jon Jones, GSP, and others) is actually creating an mma belt system of his own right now. I wouldn't be surprised if that catches on. I know we cal it Mixed Martial Arts, but it's becoming a martial art of it's own.

Putting your face in a dude's crotch and rolling around is a "martial art?"

One Bad Apple: ...Is that... Is that Stephan Bonner holding the camera ?

Bonnar, not Bonner. And yes, it is him.

All real fights go to the ground.

studebaker hoch: All real fights go to the ground.

Well yea, once one person is knocked out they are on the ground.

I think that what this video shows (besides the fact that man kind has no chance as a species), it that 53 ain't old.

that old dude threw more kicks than that younger guy. A "trained" mma'er would have leg kicked this old guy into submission. You gotta hand it to the old guy though, he seemed to have more energy and stamina than the younger dude.

Pray 4 Mojo: TheLopper: What the hell is with all you people fighting your dads and uncles? Is this common? Did I miss a memo?


/we usually just go fishing.

You sound gay.

Seriously though... it's kind of a right of passage for a lot of people. Actually... I guess it's technically not "passage" since the inevitable outcome is that dad knows shiat you don't and he's going to whoop your punk ass.

I tried it... My dad was 36 when I was born... so by the time I got around to trying my luck, he was already old and pretty fat. I guess I forgot the part about him playing "pro" football in the 50's and his teenage boxing training.

He's 75 now... I might try it again.

/It started because I said, "Crap" to my mom. It's been the 50's in their house for about 60 years.
// Love you... sir.

It's gay to not fight your dad? It's a right of passage? You people are weird.

/drugs are bad

fatalvenom: I'd love to see a good NHL fighter get in the octo once to see what he could do.

preferably a goalie

TheLopper: Pray 4 Mojo: TheLopper: What the hell is with all you people fighting your dads and uncles? Is this common? Did I miss a memo?


/we usually just go fishing.

You sound gay.

Seriously though... it's kind of a right of passage for a lot of people. Actually... I guess it's technically not "passage" since the inevitable outcome is that dad knows shiat you don't and he's going to whoop your punk ass.

I tried it... My dad was 36 when I was born... so by the time I got around to trying my luck, he was already old and pretty fat. I guess I forgot the part about him playing "pro" football in the 50's and his teenage boxing training.

He's 75 now... I might try it again.

/It started because I said, "Crap" to my mom. It's been the 50's in their house for about 60 years.
// Love you... sir.

It's gay to not fight your dad? It's a right of passage? You people are weird.

/drugs are bad

No, it's mostly a "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I KNOW MORE THEN YOU DO NOW OLD MAN! AND I CAN WHOOP YOUR ASS!"

Thankfully, I have an older brother. He tried that shiat when he turned 18 and wanted to party til 4 A.M. and parents wouldn't let him.

My dad trained spec ops guys in the military. Not for combat, but he had to be pretty damn fit for what he trained them for. So the end result was pretty pathetic on my brothers part. The only person I've seen that could full on hit my dad and get away with it was my mom. Say what you will about the old geezer but he's never raised a hand to a woman. He's on up there in his years, walks with a cane, and has to have help getting his grocery's to the car. But my god am I still afraid of that man. I pity the poor thug who designates him as an easy mark.

Cythraul: junkmetal: That was awesome. Now the old man, physically, is going to hurt a lot more than that kid the next day, but mentally, the kid took a major blow.

Yeah, and he got his butt handed to him by a 53 year old guy in bad shape, too. I've seen some physically fit 50+ year olds that could scrap. I'm not really sure this guy is one of them. I just think his competition sucked.

My opinion only, is that the old man, not being trained, didn't follow the "rules" or expectations of how opponents would or should react in certain situations.

I can't believe Rick Flair is still at it.

MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

But did ol' man buy the tee shirts?

/HARCORE
/HUUUUUUUAAAAAGHHH!

MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

The LAPD link was a citation.

MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

The LAPD link was a citation.

You're right, I missed that link, however that source directly contradicts you by stating: The LAPD study does not show that "90% of fights go to the ground." Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground.

So while many fights end up on the ground, it is a far cry from the near certainty that the statement 90% of fights end up on the ground. In addition, the author notes, that the police and public have different reasons for going to the ground.

manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

The LAPD link was a citation.

You're right, I missed that link, however that source directly contradicts you by stating: The LAPD study does not show that "90% of fights go to the ground." Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground.

So while many fights end up on the ground, it is a far cry from the near certainty that the statement 90% of fights end up on the ground. In addition, the author notes, that the police and public have different reasons for going to the ground.

Pedantry doesn't look good on you.

MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

The LAPD link was a citation.

You're right, I missed that link, however that source directly contradicts you by stating: The LAPD study does not show that "90% of fights go to the ground." Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground.

So while many fights end up on the ground, it is a far cry from the near certainty that the statement 90% of fights end up on the ground. In addition, the author notes, that the police and public have different reasons for going to the ground.

Pedantry doesn't look good on you.

It's not pedantry, saying 90% of fights end up on the ground is black and right wrong. It's not like you said penultimate and meant ultimate. You said something not at all supported by facts.

manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

The LAPD link was a citation.

You're right, I missed that link, however that source directly contradicts you by stating: The LAPD study does not show that "90% of fights go to the ground." Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground.

So while many fights end up on the ground, it is a far cry from the near certainty that the statement 90% of fights end up on the ground. In addition, the author notes, that the police and public have different reasons for going to the ground.

Pedantry doesn't look good on you.

It's not pedantry, saying 90% of fights end up on the ground is black and right wrong. It's not like you said penultimate and meant ultimate. You said something not at all supported by facts.

You're not likely to get anywhere arguing with authoritarians. If you won every round of a 15 round heavyweight debate with a Double High leader over history,logic, scientific evidence, the Constitution, you name it, in an auditorium filled with high RWAs, the audience probably would not change its beliefs one tiny bit. Authoritarian followers might even cling to their beliefs more tightly, the wronger they turned out to be. Trying to change highly dogmatic, evidence-immune, groupgripping people in such a setting is like pissing into the wind. -Robert Altemeyer

MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: manimal2878: MrJesus: ProTip Hotshot: 90% of fights go to the ground

Citation needed. Do you mean 90% of the fights in the ring? Going to the ground in a street fight means somebodies buddy is going to stomp your head into that same ground while you are down there I would think.

You should scroll up for citations and extensive discussions on the subject - including the scenario you just described.

That's not a citation, those are anecdotes.

The LAPD link was a citation.

You're right, I missed that link, however that source directly contradicts you by stating: The LAPD study does not show that "90% of fights go to the ground." Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground.

So while many fights end up on the ground, it is a far cry from the near certainty that the statement 90% of fights end up on the ground. In addition, the author notes, that the police and public have different reasons for going to the ground.

Pedantry doesn't look good on you.

It's not pedantry, saying 90% of fights end up on the ground is black and right wrong. It's not like you said penultimate and meant ultimate. You said something not at all supported by facts.

You're not likely to get anywhere arguing with authoritarians. If you won every round of a 15 round heavyweight debate with a Double High leader over history,logic, scientific evidence, the Constitution, you name it, in an auditorium filled with high RWAs, the audience probably would not change its beliefs one tiny bit. Authoritarian followers might even cling to their beliefs more tightly, the wronger they turned out to be. Trying to change highly dogmatic, evidence-immune, groupgripping people in such a setting is like pissing into the wind. -Rober ...

So you admit you made up some bullshiat?

No, just enjoying some butthurt by throwing your profile back at you.

This thread is long since done. Plead your case elsewhere.

MrJesus: No, just enjoying some butthurt by throwing your profile back at you.

This thread is long since done. Plead your case elsewhere.

Not butthurt, just bored.

manimal2878: MrJesus: No, just enjoying some butthurt by throwing your profile back at you.

This thread is long since done. Plead your case elsewhere.

Not butthurt, just bored.

Same or I wouldn't be here replying to a dead thread.

I saw a fairly recent show on History Channel about basic training in the USMC for hand-to-hand and it looked like there was some newer techniques being taught that looked like they came from MMA/BJJ. Kind of surprising, I would think in actual combat you would avoid grappling for fear your enemy's buddy would walk up and put a bullet in your head while you are rolling around on the ground.