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2012-05-01 08:18:40 AM
They can keep him.
 
2012-05-01 08:22:40 AM
breitbart link? whatever it is, i'm guessing it's either completely false or so edited and twisted beyond reality to render it effectively false.
 
2012-05-01 08:28:34 AM
Anyone laying claim to Perez Hilton has serious issues.
 
2012-05-01 09:18:54 AM
What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk
 
2012-05-01 09:19:20 AM
Paris Hilton's chihuahua?
 
2012-05-01 09:21:20 AM

Bevets: What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk


Why not end marriage as we know it? Get government out of the business once and for all and leave it as a shell of a religious institution. Sounds like a winning idea to me.
 
2012-05-01 09:21:50 AM
Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".
 
2012-05-01 09:22:42 AM
At first I read that as Paris Hilton. Thought, "sounds about right, more money than brains."

Then I read Perez Hilton, my opinion didn't change.
 
2012-05-01 09:22:53 AM
Bevets: they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it.

Please clarify how heterosexual marriage will be ended. Seriously. I look forward to your reply.
 
2012-05-01 09:23:25 AM
Can't we just be good and kind to each other? Isn't faith in love and honesty and kindness all any of us really need?

Yeah, I'm sure the Breitbartistas will be taking that part to heart.
 
2012-05-01 09:24:35 AM

Bevets: The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality.


Not even christians care about that pap.
 
2012-05-01 09:24:58 AM
Brietbart link? If you gave his corpse an enema, you could've bury his body in a matchbox. No clickie, sorry Drew.
 
2012-05-01 09:24:59 AM
What was wrong with what savage said exactly?
 
2012-05-01 09:25:02 AM

FlashHarry: breitbart link? whatever it is, i'm guessing it's either completely false or so edited and twisted beyond reality to render it effectively false.


Savage called someone name for walking out of his pro-gay speech. Perez Hilton called Savage a bully for this. Britbart article applauds Hilton as an anti bullying crusader who should be applauded by anyone who has been bullied anywhere.. Yes I serious.
 
2012-05-01 09:25:26 AM
Marriage must really be a strong institution if it can be ruined simply by two people of the same sex enganging in it.

Christ, Social Conservatives are such thin-skinned nancies.
 
2012-05-01 09:26:30 AM
1. Breitbart's dead... who cares what his zombie blog says?
2. Who the fark is Perez Hilton? Did he cure cancer? Discover the unified field theory? Invent a longer lasting light bulb?
 
2012-05-01 09:26:44 AM

MindStalker: FlashHarry: breitbart link? whatever it is, i'm guessing it's either completely false or so edited and twisted beyond reality to render it effectively false.

Savage called someone name for walking out of his pro-gay speech. Perez Hilton called Savage a bully for this. Britbart article applauds Hilton as an anti bullying crusader who should be applauded by anyone who has been bullied anywhere.. Yes I serious.


The only true bullying is anti-Christian bullying. Those queers need to just toughen up and Deal With It, boys will be boys
 
2012-05-01 09:28:41 AM

Bevets: they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it


Marriage as "we" know it - meaning who?

Because marriage as my grandfather knew it changed twice over his lifetime (he died in 2009) - thrice if you count HI, MA and a few others legalizing gay marriage. Marriage as my dad knew it has changed once or twice. Hell, my great-grandfather (1890-something-1983) probably saw marriage change more than a few times in his life, as well.

So is this just "I'm ascairt of change! Please don't let anything be different from how I imagined things always were because my conceptions of things in my 40-50 years of life is of course how things have ALWAYS been, forever and amen."

Jesus. Grow the fark up and learn to play nice with the rest of the class.
 
2012-05-01 09:28:58 AM
Wait, Zombie Breibart wants to try to promote Perez Hilton in order to bash Dan Savage?

LOLOLOL! Yeah, that's gonna go over well.

*checks comments*

FTFC: AGENTMOM You mean the guy that bullied Miss America is going to come out against Bullying? Yeah . . .

Wow, the remaining not-so-bright-Barters really suck at this.

Dan Savage rules. Perez Hilton is a pretentious ass.
 
2012-05-01 09:29:19 AM
FTFA:


Celebrity blogger Perez Hilton wrote this evening to condemn the actions of Dan Savage:
UGH ....

Savage later called the walk-out "pansy-a**ed" which, from someone who helms an anti-bullying campaign, is obviously a very negative thing to say ....
Can't we just be good and kind to each other? Isn't faith in love and honesty and kindness all any of us really need?
 
2012-05-01 09:30:00 AM

OneTimed: Marriage must really be a strong institution if it can be ruined simply by two people of the same sex enganging in it.

Christ, Social Conservatives are such thin-skinned nancies.


Careful, Perez Hilton's about to out you as a bully.
 
2012-05-01 09:30:47 AM
It would have been useful if the article explained wtf this was all about.
 
2012-05-01 09:31:10 AM
Perez Hilton needs to stop saying things that make the drool brigade at Breitbart love him and go back to doing what he's best at - photoshopping semen mustaches on Kim Kardashian.
 
2012-05-01 09:31:33 AM

MindStalker: FlashHarry: breitbart link? whatever it is, i'm guessing it's either completely false or so edited and twisted beyond reality to render it effectively false.

Savage called someone name for walking out of his pro-gay speech. Perez Hilton called Savage a bully for this. Britbart article applauds Hilton as an anti bullying crusader who should be applauded by anyone who has been bullied anywhere.. Yes I serious.


Actually, Hilton didn't use the word "bully", Buttbart added that.

Bunch of Xtian kids walked out of a speech where Savage was talking about the bible and how it is used to justify bullying against gays, and he called the bible BS. That's his style. He later characterized the walk-out as cowardly (used a naughty word) and PH said he should have been nicer.

As usual, Buttbart twisted it until any connection with reality is coincidental.
 
2012-05-01 09:31:38 AM

Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".


Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.
 
2012-05-01 09:34:25 AM
Yeah like Perez Hilton has never used his website to bully anybody.
 
2012-05-01 09:34:50 AM
What's Bevets doing in a non-evolution thread?

/guess there haven't been enough of those lately
 
2012-05-01 09:35:00 AM

Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.


Oh FFS. Listen to the speech and the actual response before you spew.
It's all Buttbart manufactured outrage. Savage is savage, but on point and it's a good point.
 
2012-05-01 09:36:16 AM

CPennypacker: What was wrong with what savage said exactly?


Calling a bunch of students "pansy-asses", even if that's exactly what they were, is perhaps not the most appropriate behavior for a guest speaker at a high school.
 
2012-05-01 09:36:51 AM
No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.
 
2012-05-01 09:37:43 AM

Bevets: they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it


I agree, dude. Those damn homosexuals wanting to get married has made it impossible for me to get married myself. I was just saying to my girlfriend last night, "Sweetie muffin honey doll, I would buy you a ring and marry you, but I can't."
And she said "Why can't we get married? Does your father not approve of me?"
I said: "No, my whole family loves you."
She said: "Then is it because we don't have enough money?"
I said: "No, that's not the problem."
She said: "Well what is it then? Why can't we get married?"
I said: "The gays! Don't you see?! The gays want to get married, and they're ending marriage as we know it!"
She said: "Oh no! That means it is completely physically impossible for us to still go to the church or courthouse and obtain a marriage contract, since we a normal, god-fearing heterosexual couple!"

It was very sad, and like you, I am absolutely furious that these gays are making it impossible for me to get married. It is such an intrusion on my life when people want to be treated fairly and equally!
 
2012-05-01 09:38:17 AM

Bevets: they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist.


Exactly. What liberals don't seem to understand, is that marriage is a religious institution created by God and God's will doesn't follow human whims and fads. The day a colored boy is allowed to marry my white daughter, I imagine God will be looking down at His broken creation with tears in His eyes.

www.georgiagoldengirls.org
 
2012-05-01 09:38:41 AM

Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.


It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.
 
2012-05-01 09:39:28 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.


But NOT each other. That would be wrong.
 
2012-05-01 09:39:58 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: What's Bevets doing in a non-evolution thread?

/guess there haven't been enough of those lately


They upgraded from bevets_4.1.bat to bevets_4.2.
 
2012-05-01 09:40:01 AM
All Perez is saying, is if you are speaking out against bullying, being a dick isn't going to go over well. So it seems to be going over great with the victims. How well do you think it's doing on the bullies?

Make yourself blameless of STFU.
 
2012-05-01 09:40:42 AM
That was a typo, but I think it works better, otherwise I just pwnd myself. :P
 
2012-05-01 09:40:53 AM

MrBallou: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

Oh FFS. Listen to the speech and the actual response before you spew.
It's all Buttbart manufactured outrage. Savage is savage, but on point and it's a good point.


I'm not outraged. I'm just saying: when giving a speech, you might not want to engage in behavior that you're speaking against. It's just dumb.
 
2012-05-01 09:42:14 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.


You bullying anti anti-bully bully, you!
 
2012-05-01 09:42:16 AM
Perez "I got attention for writing 'FAT COW' on celebrity photos" Hilton should def-def-definitely be involved with anti-bullying. Oh, wait, my eyes just fell out cause I rolled 'em too hard.

Perez Hilton has absolutely no credibility with anyone, whatsoever, nor has he ever.

I do, however, think it is perfectly normal that a "news source" like Breitbart would "cover" this totally idiotic and completely irrelevant non-story.
 
2012-05-01 09:44:27 AM
But it's okay for Hilton to bully girls in beauty pageants.
 
2012-05-01 09:46:24 AM
img859.imageshack.us
 
2012-05-01 09:47:40 AM
Remember, it doesn't matter if you are right, it matters if you've ever been wrong. This is good news for bullies. They can never be right, because they have been so wrong. They should just continue being bullies, because they can't change! I mean, who does Dan Savage think he is? He used to be a Catholic, so who is he to now be right about the bullies in the church. He may as well have raped little boys himself, farking enabler!

Nice logic, victims.
 
2012-05-01 09:47:50 AM
It's like a gay Goofus and Gallant.

...which would actually explain a lot about their relationship off-panel. Goofus is clearly a power top.
 
2012-05-01 09:49:03 AM

s2s2s2: Remember, it doesn't matter if you are right, it matters if you've ever been wrong. This is good news for bullies. They can never be right, because they have been so wrong. They should just continue being bullies, because they can't change! I mean, who does Dan Savage think he is? He used to be a Catholic, so who is he to now be right about the bullies in the church. He may as well have raped little boys himself, farking enabler!

Nice logic, victims.


I learned in high school that sometimes the only way to deal with bullies is by swinging back at them. Ignoring them, taking the high ground, being nice, sometimes it doesn't farking work.
 
2012-05-01 09:49:19 AM
Know who else got all butthurt over this? GOProud, the House Ni*BONG* of the LGBT community.
 
2012-05-01 09:49:44 AM

jehovahs witness protection: But it's okay for Hilton to bully girls in beauty pageants.


Right. My knowledge of Hilton is marginal at best, but I thought he was famous for running a very negative celebrity gossip blog.
 
2012-05-01 09:51:36 AM
Good luck in that war on bullies!

www.pinkshirtday.ca
 
2012-05-01 09:51:50 AM

s2s2s2: Remember, it doesn't matter if you are right, it matters if you've ever been wrong. This is good news for bullies. They can never be right, because they have been so wrong. They should just continue being bullies, because they can't change! I mean, who does Dan Savage think he is? He used to be a Catholic, so who is he to now be right about the bullies in the church. He may as well have raped little boys himself, farking enabler!

Nice logic, victims.


wtf am i reading
 
2012-05-01 09:52:23 AM

QU!RK1019: jehovahs witness protection: But it's okay for Hilton to bully girls in beauty pageants.

Right. My knowledge of Hilton is marginal at best, but I thought he was famous for running a very negative celebrity gossip blog.


Yeah. He's the textbook catty biatch. Why anyone pays attention to him is beyond me.
 
2012-05-01 09:52:53 AM

Biological Ali: s2s2s2: Remember, it doesn't matter if you are right, it matters if you've ever been wrong. This is good news for bullies. They can never be right, because they have been so wrong. They should just continue being bullies, because they can't change! I mean, who does Dan Savage think he is? He used to be a Catholic, so who is he to now be right about the bullies in the church. He may as well have raped little boys himself, farking enabler!

Nice logic, victims.

wtf am i reading


I asked myself the same question. I still have no idea.
 
2012-05-01 09:52:54 AM

Bloody William: I learned in high school that sometimes the only way to deal with bullies is by swinging back at them. Ignoring them, taking the high ground, being nice, sometimes it doesn't farking work.


I found that just standing up, looking them in the eye, and screaming "Come on! Let's go!" shut em up pretty quick. They want to dominate, not fight someone willing to fight. They are testing the people around them. Show them you won't be pushed around by whatever they throw at you, and it becomes irrelevant to both of you. It always worked for me, might not always work for anyone else. I have never thrown a punch, but I have been in fights. I have never lost, because I chose wisely.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:25 AM

Bevets: Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it.


Which "marriage as we know it"? Do you mean the marriage between a man and a woman? The marriage that is, historically, the domain of the tyranny of chauvinistic patriarchies? The marriage that treated women like chattel or a property deed that transferred the woman's rights from her father to her husband and typically resulted in the loss of her name, her assets and her sexual freedom (not that she had any to begin with)? The marriage that specified her dowry being more important than her? The marriage that united families and the men who ruled those families; unions not from love but from a consolidation of position, property, power and politics? The marriage that ensured dynastic lineage through the male line and kept women in the home? THAT marriage?

...good riddance.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:26 AM

Biological Ali: wtf am i reading


Perez said something reasonable. His words are not made wrong by past actions or words. I can make the same argument about damned near anybody. This is why you can't have nice things.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:27 AM
He's obviously one classy guy....

www.themudflats.net
 
2012-05-01 09:54:51 AM
Perez "Out Anybody and Everybody He Can" Hilton doesn't get to criticize anyone on bullying, ever, for any situation or reason, no matter who he is criticizing.
 
2012-05-01 09:55:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: I still have no idea.


More words of truth from Cameron. You know you well.
 
2012-05-01 09:55:21 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Uh, he's just proud of his google bomb
 
2012-05-01 09:55:36 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.
 
2012-05-01 09:57:22 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


I don't see anything wrong with that. He went after a bigoted asshole in a wonderfully funny way, turned Santorum into an internet meme, a joke. Then the Republicans nearly went and made him their nominee. Which just makes the whole thing even funnier.
 
2012-05-01 09:59:22 AM
A hero tag on a daily breitbart link that spews bullshiat and even bevets from out of nowhere after not being seen for some time.

Can some of you fark mods and admins at least TRY to make your trolling somewhat subtle? You are just one step away from just admitting that bevets is one of your accounts at this point.
 
2012-05-01 09:59:22 AM

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: wtf am i reading

Perez said something reasonable. His words are not made wrong by past actions or words. I can make the same argument about damned near anybody. This is why you can't have nice things.


I didn't think it was possible for you to make even less sense than what you started out with, but you somehow continue to outdo yourself.
 
2012-05-01 10:00:05 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


I'm pretty liberal, and I intensely dislike Dan Savage. He is definitely a smug asshole. The Santorum thing was pretty funny because Frothy is also an asshole and his brand of social conservatism is pretty vile, but Savage's brand of gay activism seems to rely more on shock factor over smarts, or heart.

That's just my .02
 
2012-05-01 10:00:33 AM

Biological Ali: I didn't think it was possible for you to make even less sense than what you started out with, but you somehow continue to outdo yourself.


I am not surprised by your inability to comprehend it.
 
2012-05-01 10:02:17 AM
Oh, here's Dan Savage's apology and statement on the incident.
 
2012-05-01 10:03:11 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Dan Savage is 100 times classier than Rick Santorum.
 
2012-05-01 10:04:37 AM

Zerochance: BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

I'm pretty liberal, and I intensely dislike Dan Savage. He is definitely a smug asshole. The Santorum thing was pretty funny because Frothy is also an asshole and his brand of social conservatism is pretty vile, but Savage's brand of gay activism seems to rely more on shock factor over smarts, or heart.

That's just my .02


Ever read his non-political sex advice column? It's hilarious, chilling, arousing, disgusting and informative all rolled into one. My wife, who's not big on the political or the funny, reads it regularly for the titillation.
 
2012-05-01 10:09:42 AM

LectertheChef: Oh, here's Dan Savage's apology and statement on the incident.


That was classy of him. I love Dan. He wasn't wrong, just a tad overzealous. I understand it, and he does too.
 
2012-05-01 10:10:01 AM
BravadoGT:

He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Bloody William:

Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.


Would you also do this?
 
2012-05-01 10:11:03 AM

LectertheChef: Oh, here's Dan Savage's apology and statement on the incident.


From the Apology

"But gay people feel insulted by "love the sinner, hate the sin" because it is insulting. Likewise, my use of "pansy-assed" was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong. And I apologize for saying it."

Doesn't he realize that's not the way people apologize anymore. A proper apology would be

"I'm sorry if they were offended by being called "pansy-assed"
 
2012-05-01 10:11:21 AM

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: I didn't think it was possible for you to make even less sense than what you started out with, but you somehow continue to outdo yourself.

I am not surprised by your inability to comprehend it.


You do realize that Breitbart is basically just quasi-satire engineered to annoy the libs, right? Just a heads-up, on the off chance that you actually think there's a reasonable point in there somewhere.
 
2012-05-01 10:12:49 AM

Biological Ali: You do realize that Breitbart is basically just quasi-satire engineered to annoy the libs, right? Just a heads-up, on the off chance that you actually think there's a reasonable point in there somewhere.


Well, I wasn't too pansy-assed to click the link. I wanted to know what PH said. I agreed with it. I have disagreed with him before. I like that Dan has since backed off and admitted he was insulting. But hey, being right is just what I do.
 
2012-05-01 10:15:05 AM

Bhasayate: rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.

You bullying anti anti-bully bully, you!


I believe in bullies getting a taste of their own medicine.

The Ultimate Anti-Bullying PSA: Kid Fights Back With Devastating Body Slam
 
2012-05-01 10:15:21 AM

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: You do realize that Breitbart is basically just quasi-satire engineered to annoy the libs, right? Just a heads-up, on the off chance that you actually think there's a reasonable point in there somewhere.

Well, I wasn't too pansy-assed to click the link. I wanted to know what PH said. I agreed with it. I have disagreed with him before. I like that Dan has since backed off and admitted he was insulting. But hey, being right is just what I do.


Ah, so you're just pulling our legs too. Carry on then.
 
2012-05-01 10:16:20 AM

Biological Ali: Ah, so you're just pulling our legs too. Carry on then.


/hugs you.
 
2012-05-01 10:19:17 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.

You bullying anti anti-bully bully, you!

I believe in bullies getting a taste of their own medicine.

The Ultimate Anti-Bullying PSA: Kid Fights Back With Devastating Body Slam


I've seen that, it's bad ass. More people need devastating body slams, I think.
 
2012-05-01 10:23:25 AM

Bevets: Would you also do this?


No, but of course they're two completely different things and you damn well know that, you disingenuous little zealot.
 
2012-05-01 10:24:55 AM

Bevets: Would you also do this?


Ew. He took knob polishing to a whole new level.
 
2012-05-01 10:25:36 AM
Lol, if the breitbartians want to poke a stick over at Perez Hilton, let them. hahaha

Dan Savage probably went too far, and is paying for it. He will move on from it and the gay rights movement will keep going.
 
2012-05-01 10:29:16 AM
Seeing as this comes from deadmoran.com, it probably means that Perez said something slightly negative about Obama or something equally ridiculous.

/let that website die
//seriously
 
2012-05-01 10:32:51 AM

Bevets: BravadoGT:

He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

Bloody William:

Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.

Would you also do this?


Make wikipedia entries? Pay a fine? Lick a doorknob? I've seen you at least able to be coherently wrong on other sites, so don't pretend you're incapable of doing it here.
 
2012-05-01 10:36:59 AM

QU!RK1019: It would have been useful if the article explained wtf this was all about.


That's why I cam here... I'm guessing that since the gays are involved, the only reason that Brietbart is using this is because they can attack Savage, but since it's about "those people", they don't want to talk about it because they might catch The Gay.

So far from what I can gather, Savage was speaking, someone didn't like what he had to say, he called them a 'pansy ass', and ZOMG Bullying!!!
 
2012-05-01 10:38:12 AM

Cubs300: No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.


There's a 'right' P Hilton? Seriously?
 
2012-05-01 10:38:45 AM
Where's the summon Bevets card?

/ even though he's already here
// I just wanna see it again
 
2012-05-01 10:39:24 AM

BSABSVR: Bevets: BravadoGT:

He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

Bloody William:

Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.

Would you also do this?

Make wikipedia entries? Pay a fine? Lick a doorknob? I've seen you at least able to be coherently wrong on other sites, so don't pretend you're incapable of doing it here.


I think the Bevets-Bot means "Would you constantly post quotes and links in lieu of any actual discussion?"
 
2012-05-01 10:41:46 AM
Since someone posted Savage's apology, here's the video of what actually happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs

And why it's not bullying: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-shore/dan-savage-and-the-truth_b_1 4 63390.html

What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.
 
2012-05-01 10:43:42 AM
I know "BREITBART" is just a website, so it can keep on soldiering, but every time I see a link from it I can't help but perceive whatever is being reported as coming from zombie-Breitbart as opposed to shiat-shoveling from the dolt parade he left behind.
 
2012-05-01 10:45:23 AM

Mikey1969: Cubs300: No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.

There's a 'right' P Hilton? Seriously?


She's more of a "right" one than someone who actually CHOSE to use a name similar to hers.

Who is worse - the original attention whore, or the attention whore who uses the original attention whore's attention whoredom to get more attention for himself?

I'd say the worst person is the one who would write an article using the secondary whore to back up their own bigotry.

So, here's the list of all involved, not quite as horrible to most horrible:

1. Paris Hilton
2. Perez Hilton
3. Ben Shapiro

Shapiro gets horrible points not only for the article, but also for the fact that he's still grinding on Breitbart's corpse, trying to get a few more paychecks.
 
2012-05-01 10:46:52 AM

Zerochance: BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

I'm pretty liberal, and I intensely dislike Dan Savage. He is definitely a smug asshole. The Santorum thing was pretty funny because Frothy is also an asshole and his brand of social conservatism is pretty vile, but Savage's brand of gay activism seems to rely more on shock factor over smarts, or heart.

That's just my .02


I'm guessing you're unaware of Mr. Hilton's particular brand of activism then?
 
2012-05-01 10:53:18 AM
He's dead but the hate lives on.

I won't click that link.
 
2012-05-01 11:01:09 AM

Bloody William: I learned in high school that sometimes the only way to deal with bullies is by swinging back at them. Ignoring them, taking the high ground, being nice, sometimes it doesn't farking work.


The best technique? Turn your back on them and walk away. You have to have every available sense on fire to hear that swing to the back of your head, or hear them start to move to catch up to you, but turning your back and walking away works amazingly. I don't mean in some noble 'I am above violence' act, but because it scares the fark out of them about just what you can do if they decide to push things to the breaking point. It helps to walk with an air of total confidence in your choice also... I actually had a guy search me out the next day and apologize, told me that he'd gotten the wrong impression of me, and he wanted to try and make friends. LOL. All because I told someone twice my size to fark off and turned my back on him.
 
2012-05-01 11:02:37 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Mikey1969: Cubs300: No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.

There's a 'right' P Hilton? Seriously?

She's more of a "right" one than someone who actually CHOSE to use a name similar to hers.

Who is worse - the original attention whore, or the attention whore who uses the original attention whore's attention whoredom to get more attention for himself?

I'd say the worst person is the one who would write an article using the secondary whore to back up their own bigotry.

So, here's the list of all involved, not quite as horrible to most horrible:

1. Paris Hilton
2. Perez Hilton
3. Ben Shapiro

Shapiro gets horrible points not only for the article, but also for the fact that he's still grinding on Breitbart's corpse, trying to get a few more paychecks.


I guess if you put it that way, Paris Hilton actually ISN'T at the bottom of the dung heap...
 
2012-05-01 11:04:53 AM
The homophobia in the Deadbart article is ginormous.

And the whole thing is the usual false equivalence gag: if you comdemn people for bullying, you're a bully. If you condemn someone for racism, you're a racist. If you point out class warfare, you're engaging in class warfare.

It reminds me of my freshman year of college. Smarmy little weasals would try dumb stuff like this in pretty much any class that requires forming an argument - say, a rhetoric or English lit. course - and they'd be buttstounded when they were handed a D or an F. ZOMG, you mean we have to make actual arguments, and can't just go with "rubber/glue"?

Have none of these dimwits ever seen the inside of a college 101 course? Or are some schools just lousy? Or are they just lazy? I really would like to know.
 
2012-05-01 11:05:17 AM
I'm not clicking on your lousy Breitbart link, smitty.

How ya doin' biatch? Good, biatch.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-05-01 11:16:20 AM
No need to be all butt-hurt over the situation.
 
2012-05-01 11:34:39 AM

lexslamman: Bevets: What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk

Why not end marriage as we know it? Get government out of the business once and for all and leave it as a shell of a religious institution. Sounds like a winning idea to me.


To be fair, marriage* started as a function of the state, not religion, though good luck getting a believer to acknowledge that obvious fact.

*I mean more the official acknowledgement of an exclusive relationship here. As the prevalence of the "common law marriage" concept across human societies shows, people were shacking up together long before anyone in authority started to care about it.
 
2012-05-01 11:38:41 AM
 
2012-05-01 11:49:30 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Bhasayate: Edsel: Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

Oh, spare me. Trying to paint Savage as a bully in this incident is stupid - it's right up there with "how can you call yourself tolerant when you won't put up with my hate" stupidity.

What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.

And prideful disdain is, if I recall correctly, a sin in the Christian religion


Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.
 
2012-05-01 12:00:51 PM

Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.


The opposite of bullying is not "let's be nice and get along".
 
2012-05-01 12:03:12 PM

Bhasayate: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Bhasayate: Edsel: Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

Oh, spare me. Trying to paint Savage as a bully in this incident is stupid - it's right up there with "how can you call yourself tolerant when you won't put up with my hate" stupidity.

What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.

And prideful disdain is, if I recall correctly, a sin in the Christian religion

Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.


A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect
 
2012-05-01 12:06:43 PM

Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.


True...but, since I've never been gay and dealt with the bullying that goes with it, I can't judge him for how he reacts when the same kind of people who bullied him and bully gays today just ignore him.

Kind of like Gaddhafi - I would like for him to have been taken prisoner and not harmed...but I also didn't live under his oppression. So, I can't judge the rebels for killing him even though he was not a physical threat.
 
2012-05-01 12:07:58 PM
Poor oppressed Christians. I can't imagine how difficult it is to try to nail yourself to a cross. You can get one arm up, sure, but you need help for the other one.
 
2012-05-01 12:08:24 PM

Bevets: What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk


I would like to see the evidence that Savage has called for the end of marriage. I don't mean people who say he said it. I would like to see actual quotes from Savage. I am skeptical, but I am open to evidence.
 
2012-05-01 12:08:29 PM

Lumpmoose: Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.

The opposite of bullying is not "let's be nice and get along".


I agree. I just said meant to say people who are anti-bulling should be pro "can't we all just get along?" kinds of people. They should be nice, and not do things like this guy did.
 
2012-05-01 12:09:43 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect


I dunno, I think some of those harmed are gonna need therapy or something.

jk
 
2012-05-01 12:12:16 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect


I don't think it's more reasonable. Politically-motivated right-wing Christians have become very good at playing the victim. The can twist any attempt to gain ground for gay rights as an attack and counter with all sorts of neutral-sounding platitudes. Just look up the Day of Dialogue. Or their boycotts of gay-friendly Starbucks for not being "neutral". Or their counters to anti-bullying legislation with First Amendments fears while simultaneous decrying "all forms" of bullying.

Some activists think you can only gain ground through direct confrontation against hypocrisy. Dan Savage is one of them and his speech wasn't bullying nor does it discredit his anti-bullying efforts to protect gay students that are often stranded by their church, their schools, their local government and their farking parents.
 
2012-05-01 12:13:18 PM
Wait until Perez Hilton meets some actual conservatives.
 
2012-05-01 12:13:30 PM

Bhasayate: Ctrl-Alt-Del: A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect

I dunno, I think some of those harmed are gonna need therapy or something.

jk


Maybe they just really want Dan to hug them. Hold them close.
 
2012-05-01 12:15:15 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.

True...but, since I've never been gay and dealt with the bullying that goes with it, I can't judge him for how he reacts when the same kind of people who bullied him and bully gays today just ignore him.

Kind of like Gaddhafi - I would like for him to have been taken prisoner and not harmed...but I also didn't live under his oppression. So, I can't judge the rebels for killing him even though he was not a physical threat.


Two wrongs don't make a right. "Be the change you want to see in the world."

On that note, you don't see Gandhi getting all crazy, except in UHF. That's what makes if absurd, crazy, out-of-sync for anti-bully guy to be jerk face asshole guy.

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-05-01 12:15:27 PM

Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.


I disagree. Anti-bullying and tolerance are NOT "Lets be nice and get along." They are "Don't bully people, don't persecute people for their differences."

If someone is persecuting people, bullying them, you don't have to be nice about stopping them. They deserve to be punished. That's what tolerance is, not some strawmanned "There are no morals, everyone must be OK with what everyone does"

That being said, what Dan Savage reacted to was some show of disdain linked to intolerance, but it did not justify his name calling and reaction. He was wrong, but he was NOT bullying nor intolerant. Simply wrong.
 
2012-05-01 12:16:21 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Ctrl-Alt-Del: A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect

I dunno, I think some of those harmed are gonna need therapy or something.

jk

Maybe they just really want Dan to hug them. Hold them close.


Probably not, but maybe. Lot's of maybes...
 
2012-05-01 12:20:02 PM

Esc7: Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.

I disagree. Anti-bullying and tolerance are NOT "Lets be nice and get along." They are "Don't bully people, don't persecute people for their differences."

If someone is persecuting people, bullying them, you don't have to be nice about stopping them. They deserve to be punished. That's what tolerance is, not some strawmanned "There are no morals, everyone must be OK with what everyone does"

That being said, what Dan Savage reacted to was some show of disdain linked to intolerance, but it did not justify his name calling and reaction. He was wrong, but he was NOT bullying nor intolerant. Simply wrong.


OK, let's try this again, simplify what I'm saying as much as possible.

Bully's are assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be, assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be assholes, in trying to get our point across that people ought not to be assholes.

This guy failed in that regard. He was one kind of asshole calling out another kind of asshole. There is something not great about that. It makes non-assholes just kind of tune him out.
 
2012-05-01 12:21:07 PM
BTW, does anybody know how many millions Perez got from his lawsuit against the manager of the Black Eyed Peas?
 
2012-05-01 12:25:52 PM

Bhasayate: rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Ctrl-Alt-Del: A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect

I dunno, I think some of those harmed are gonna need therapy or something.

jk

Maybe they just really want Dan to hug them. Hold them close.

Probably not, but maybe. Lot's of maybes...


But they're just so hurt by his mean words. I mean, he told them they shouldn't use the bible to excuse their hate, when that's their God-Given Right, then called them - :gasp: - "pansy assed."

"It's funny, as someone who's on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-assed some people react when you push back."

That's a Romanesque scourging. Blood and flesh everywhere.

The least he could do is give them a nice, warm embrace. Maybe some light petting.
 
2012-05-01 12:31:05 PM
So let me get this straight.

In an effort to combat Dan Savage, Breitbart gets... Perez Hilton?

I'm not seeing any sort of victory strategy here. Well, unless you consider Perez Hilton justifying himself as a self-loathing assclown. Then I guess you can take that as a victory.
 
2012-05-01 12:32:27 PM
Breitbart is dead. Everybody dance.
 
2012-05-01 12:34:26 PM

Bhasayate: Esc7: Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.

I disagree. Anti-bullying and tolerance are NOT "Lets be nice and get along." They are "Don't bully people, don't persecute people for their differences."

If someone is persecuting people, bullying them, you don't have to be nice about stopping them. They deserve to be punished. That's what tolerance is, not some strawmanned "There are no morals, everyone must be OK with what everyone does"

That being said, what Dan Savage reacted to was some show of disdain linked to intolerance, but it did not justify his name calling and reaction. He was wrong, but he was NOT bullying nor intolerant. Simply wrong.

OK, let's try this again, simplify what I'm saying as much as possible.

Bully's are assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be, assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be assholes, in trying to get our point across that people ought not to be assholes.

This guy failed in that regard. He was one kind of asshole calling out another kind of asshole. There is something not great about that. It makes non-assholes just kind of tune him out.


That works most of the time. In this case the bully has a large political/religious infrastructure behind him that encourages the bully through a regular berating of the bully's target in church, at home and often at school. That said political/religious infrastructure strongly opposes any corrective action to the bully's behavior because they fear the bully's target will gain respect and tolerance in greater society, especially in a school setting among minors.

That's why the regular formula for combating bullying won't work and hasn't yet.
 
2012-05-01 12:37:54 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Ctrl-Alt-Del: A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect

I dunno, I think some of those harmed are gonna need therapy or something.

jk

Maybe they just really want Dan to hug them. Hold them close.

Probably not, but maybe. Lot's of maybes...

But they're just so hurt by his mean words. I mean, he told them they shouldn't use the bible to excuse their hate, when that's their God-Given Right, then called them - :gasp: - "pansy assed."

"It's funny, as someone who's on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-assed some people react when you push back."

That's a Romanesque scourging. Blood and flesh everywhere.

The least he could do is give them a nice, warm embrace. Maybe some light petting.


I think it's ironic he called them pansy-assed. It's like taking back porch monkey, or something.
 
2012-05-01 12:43:18 PM

Lumpmoose: Bhasayate: Esc7: Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.

I disagree. Anti-bullying and tolerance are NOT "Lets be nice and get along." They are "Don't bully people, don't persecute people for their differences."

If someone is persecuting people, bullying them, you don't have to be nice about stopping them. They deserve to be punished. That's what tolerance is, not some strawmanned "There are no morals, everyone must be OK with what everyone does"

That being said, what Dan Savage reacted to was some show of disdain linked to intolerance, but it did not justify his name calling and reaction. He was wrong, but he was NOT bullying nor intolerant. Simply wrong.

OK, let's try this again, simplify what I'm saying as much as possible.

Bully's are assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be, assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be assholes, in trying to get our point across that people ought not to be assholes.

This guy failed in that regard. He was one kind of asshole calling out another kind of asshole. There is something not great about that. It makes non-assholes just kind of tune him out.

That works most of the time. In this case the bully has a large political/religious infrastructure behind him that encourages the bully through a regular berating of the bully's target in church, at home and often at school. That said political/religious infrastructure strongly opposes any corrective action to the bully's behavior because they fear the bully's target will gain respect and tolerance in greater society, especially in a school setting among minors.

That's why the regular formula for combating bullying won't work and hasn't yet.


Translation: it's OK for him to be an asshole because ... ?
 
2012-05-01 12:54:09 PM

Bhasayate: OK, let's try this again, simplify what I'm saying as much as possible.

Bully's are assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be, assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be assholes, in trying to get our point across that people ought not to be assholes.

This guy failed in that regard. He was one kind of asshole calling out another kind of asshole. There is something not great about that. It makes non-assholes just kind of tune him out.

That works most of the time. In this case the bully has a large political/religious infrastructure behind him that encourages the bully through a regular berating of the bully's target in church, at home and often at school. That said political/religious infrastructure strongly opposes any corrective action to the bully's behavior because they fear the bully's target will gain respect and tolerance in greater society, especially in a school setting among minors.

That's why the regular formula for combating bullying won't work and hasn't yet.

Translation: it's OK for him to be an asshole because ... ?


He was directly confronting Christian hypocrisy because being wishy-washy about wanting equals rights and living in peace has proven not to work. Being an asshole was just a side-effect.

I will concede that he shouldn't have used swear words. But based on interviews with the press: they weren't walking about because of the swear words. Many were well on their way out before the first swear was uttered.
 
2012-05-01 12:54:28 PM

Bhasayate: OK, let's try this again, simplify what I'm saying as much as possible.

Bully's are assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be, assholes.
We ought not to be, so let's not be assholes, in trying to get our point across that people ought not to be assholes.

This guy failed in that regard. He was one kind of asshole calling out another kind of asshole. There is something not great about that. It makes non-assholes just kind of tune him out.


That's exactly the problem I have with what your saying.

Look, I don't think what Dan Savage said was right. I think he's kinda a jerk. I think sometimes he's a net negative towards promoting his causes. He never should have called those children "pansy ass" for walking out of his lecture. I agree with you on all these points.

What I take offense at is the simplification and equivocation that goes on about topics like this.

The incident is NOT:

Bullys BAD!
Don't be BAD!
Dan Savage was BAD! Now he BULLY=ASSHOLE=HITLER=.....

It's like the Santorum meme. Yes Dan Savage was quite the ass to make it up, anyone is an jerk if they associate someone else's name with a fecal substance. But Rick Santorum implied that when certain people have sex with their significant other they're almost committing bestiality. And he was a lawmaker in a position of power. That was incredibly more offensive and frightening.

All I'm saying is that there are degrees to everything, and trying to simplify everything into "Both sides are bad" only helps the worst side in an argument.
 
2012-05-01 12:57:55 PM

Bhasayate: Translation: it's OK for him to be an asshole because ... ?


I think the problem with this discussion is you are perhaps the only one here who thinks that Savage's comments rise to the level of "asshole".

Was it inappropriate of him to refer to the walkout as "pansy-assed"? As a guest speaker, yes. I believe so.

Is storming out in protest because the speaker is deconstructing the "it's in the Bible" argument to justify bullying gays a pansy-assed move? Yes. I believe this as well. And his calling that out does not an asshole make.
 
2012-05-01 01:20:13 PM

Esc7: The incident is NOT:

Bullys BAD!
Don't be BAD!
Dan Savage was BAD! Now he BULLY=ASSHOLE=HITLER=.....


OK, I never meant to imply that. I'm just saying that if I was some guy just minding my own business, and he acted like that, I'd think "he's an asshole."
 
2012-05-01 01:20:58 PM

gunga galunga: I think the problem with this discussion is you are perhaps the only one here who thinks that Savage's comments rise to the level of "asshole".


Maybe, but there are degrees of being an asshole. I'd say he was being a mild asshole, but an asshole all the same.
 
2012-05-01 01:24:13 PM

gunga galunga: Bhasayate: Translation: it's OK for him to be an asshole because ... ?

I think the problem with this discussion is you are perhaps the only one here who thinks that Savage's comments rise to the level of "asshole".

Was it inappropriate of him to refer to the walkout as "pansy-assed"? As a guest speaker, yes. I believe so.

Is storming out in protest because the speaker is deconstructing the "it's in the Bible" argument to justify bullying gays a pansy-assed move? Yes. I believe this as well. And his calling that out does not an asshole make.


I don't know. Is someone an asshole simply because they'd rather not here a rant? It's sort of like being an a thread for a bit, then things get all jerkish, and you decide not to post anymore. That's doesn't justify abuse. People just have better things to do.

Heck, suppose I'm just a normal dude who'd rather not listen to that speech, for whatever reason. If I see folks walking out, I'd be all "Cool, I can walk out, too." Probably lots of kids walking out we all, "I'd rather go hang out in the hall and play hacky sack" or something.
 
2012-05-01 01:26:24 PM

gunga galunga: Is storming out in protest because the speaker is deconstructing the "it's in the Bible" argument to justify bullying gays a pansy-assed move? Yes. I believe this as well. And his calling that out does not an asshole make.


Technically, it makes him a homophobic bigot and bully. He was using a a term synonymous with stereotyped homosexual behavior as a slur -- exactly the kind of thing the whole "It Gets Better" campaign is dedicated to stopping.

Ironic how even that campaign's top spokesman reflexively turned to the equivalent of "that's so gay" when he wanted to insult someone, isn't it?
 
2012-05-01 01:28:15 PM

gerrymander: gunga galunga: Is storming out in protest because the speaker is deconstructing the "it's in the Bible" argument to justify bullying gays a pansy-assed move? Yes. I believe this as well. And his calling that out does not an asshole make.

Technically, it makes him a homophobic bigot and bully. He was using a a term synonymous with stereotyped homosexual behavior as a slur -- exactly the kind of thing the whole "It Gets Better" campaign is dedicated to stopping.

Ironic how even that campaign's top spokesman reflexively turned to the equivalent of "that's so gay" when he wanted to insult someone, isn't it?


Gay people can call non-gays pansy-assed I guess, and not be assholes while doing it.
 
2012-05-01 01:56:06 PM
I don't think that Savage went far enough. I think that people need to refer to the Bible and christianity as "bullshiat" often and its adherents need to be made to feel like the gullible, weak-minded, superstitious fools that they are.

Fools who vote and have a huge amount of political power.

The war on women, the fight for equality and civil rights, keeping christian mythology out of science classrooms, individual liberty...it all goes back to the Bible and faith-over-reason.

Being nice to christian politics hasn't worked and the US is going backwards because of it. Therefore, I think it is time that christians have their feelings hurt.
 
2012-05-01 02:19:47 PM

Bhasayate: gunga galunga: Bhasayate: Translation: it's OK for him to be an asshole because ... ?

I think the problem with this discussion is you are perhaps the only one here who thinks that Savage's comments rise to the level of "asshole".

Was it inappropriate of him to refer to the walkout as "pansy-assed"? As a guest speaker, yes. I believe so.

Is storming out in protest because the speaker is deconstructing the "it's in the Bible" argument to justify bullying gays a pansy-assed move? Yes. I believe this as well. And his calling that out does not an asshole make.

I don't know. Is someone an asshole simply because they'd rather not here a rant? It's sort of like being an a thread for a bit, then things get all jerkish, and you decide not to post anymore. That's doesn't justify abuse. People just have better things to do.

Heck, suppose I'm just a normal dude who'd rather not listen to that speech, for whatever reason. If I see folks walking out, I'd be all "Cool, I can walk out, too." Probably lots of kids walking out we all, "I'd rather go hang out in the hall and play hacky sack" or something.


They obviously didn't start filing out en masse because they had "better things to do". They left because they didn't want to hear what he had to say. And while it was inappropriate for him to use the term "bullshiat", he was spot on for calling out the hypocrisy of those who use the bible to justify bullying gay or passing laws to keep them as second class citizens. His point is "if 'it's in the bible is your argument, then here are other things that are 'in the bible'. Walking out was pretty much telling him "la la la la I can't hear you", which for him, is undoubtedly very frustrating for somebody trying to make a very valid point. The point being is that people who bully gays or try to keep them as second class citizens aren't doing to because "it's in the bible". No, it's because they are bigots and they are using to bible to justify their bigotry.

Bhasayate: Gay people can call non-gays pansy-assed I guess, and not be assholes while doing it


It's all about context. In this sense, the use of the term "pansy-assed" came out as Savage being ironic. As if he's saying, that some people believe it is okay to treat him like he's not even a person because he isn't a "manly-man", but oh, look at all these people scurrying for the exit as soon as somebody challenges them on their beliefs.
 
2012-05-01 02:59:00 PM
Bevets:

What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk

IntertubeUser:

I don't think that Savage went far enough. I think that people need to refer to the Bible and christianity as "bullshiat" often and its adherents need to be made to feel like the gullible, weak-minded, superstitious fools that they are.

Fools who vote and have a huge amount of political power.

The war on women, the fight for equality and civil rights, keeping christian mythology out of science classrooms, individual liberty...it all goes back to the Bible and faith-over-reason.

Being nice to christian politics hasn't worked and the US is going backwards because of it. Therefore, I think it is time that christians have their feelings hurt.


You are correct that this conflict goes much deeper than acceptance of homosexual marraiage. You can't change the Word of God, so many (e.g. Dan Savage and yourself) have decided to attempt to reduce the number who accept the Bible through intimidation. Suppose God actually has communicated Truth through the Bible (and God does not approve of homosexual behaviour). Your efforts of intimidation are similar to walking into a math class and announcing that '1+1' is now '5' and anyone who disagrees with you is obviously stupid and/or immoral. You may win converts, however you have not spread enlightenment.
 
2012-05-01 03:08:08 PM

Bevets: Suppose God actually has communicated Truth through the Bible


Suppose he didn't.
 
2012-05-01 03:08:10 PM

CPennypacker: What was wrong with what savage said exactly?


Because if you're talking to a group of teenagers who never actually thought about their religion before, swearing at them and a book they've been raised to consider holy is not, in fact, an appropriate or useful way to help them think through their very hurtful beliefs.

There's this little thing called 'being nice' that our side needs to use.
 
2012-05-01 03:11:18 PM

Bevets: Bevets:

What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk

IntertubeUser:

I don't think that Savage went far enough. I think that people need to refer to the Bible and christianity as "bullshiat" often and its adherents need to be made to feel like the gullible, weak-minded, superstitious fools that they are.

Fools who vote and have a huge amount of political power.

The war on women, the fight for equality and civil rights, keeping christian mythology out of science classrooms, individual liberty...it all goes back to the Bible and faith-over-reason.

Being nice to christian politics hasn't worked and the US is going backwards because of it. Therefore, I think it is time that christians have their feelings hurt.

You are correct that this conflict goes much deeper than acceptance of homosexual marraiage. You can't change the Word of God, so many (e.g. Dan Savage and yourself) have decided to attempt to reduce the number who accept the Bible through intimidation. Suppose God actually has communicated Truth through the Bible (and God does not approve of homosexual behaviour). Your efforts of intimidation are similar to walking into a math class and announcing that '1+1' is now '5' and anyone who disagrees with you is obviously stupid and/or immoral. You may win converts, however you have not spread enlightenment.


Your "god" cannot and does not exist. You are a deluded, irrational fool in refusing to recognize the contradictions that Yahweh embodies. And what you call "intimidation" is more properly called "liberation."

It's odd...someone who hears voices is called delusional; but someone who claims to hear god's voice is merely religious. The truth is that there is no difference.
 
2012-05-01 03:45:17 PM
Bevets:

Your efforts of intimidation are similar to walking into a math class and announcing that '1+1' is now '5' and anyone who disagrees with you is obviously stupid and/or immoral. You may win converts, however you have not spread enlightenment.

IntertubeUser:

Your "god" cannot and does not exist.

You have, once again, arrived at the nub of the conflict, however (in typical new atheist fashion) you have merely asserted your position -- you have not supported it.
 
2012-05-01 03:49:19 PM

coeyagi: Perez Hilton needs to stop saying things that make the drool brigade at Breitbart love him and go back to doing what he's best at - photoshopping semen mustaches on Kim Kardashian.


Funny too, because Perez Hilton is famous for effectively bullying people on his blog.
 
2012-05-01 04:05:12 PM

fsbilly: coeyagi: Perez Hilton needs to stop saying things that make the drool brigade at Breitbart love him and go back to doing what he's best at - photoshopping semen mustaches on Kim Kardashian.

Funny too, because Perez Hilton is famous for effectively bullying people on his blog.


I'd never visit his site, but I've heard his toned it down ever since he got his ass kicked and pretty much everybody on the planet agreed he deserved it.
 
2012-05-01 04:06:03 PM
my first greenlight in over 6 years!


hurrah!
 
2012-05-01 05:11:26 PM

MindStalker: Savage called someone name for walking out of his pro-gay speech. Perez Hilton called Savage a bully for this. Britbart article applauds Hilton as an anti bullying crusader who should be applauded by anyone who has been bullied anywhere.. Yes I serious.


Which is ironic because Perez's career is based on bullying celebrities by drawing cum stains on them with MS Paint.
 
2012-05-01 07:48:23 PM
If Savage and Hilton were black, Hilton would be Uncle Tommin. So... Uncle Lesliein?
 
2012-05-01 08:41:07 PM
 
2012-05-01 10:03:36 PM

Bevets: Bevets:

Your efforts of intimidation are similar to walking into a math class and announcing that '1+1' is now '5' and anyone who disagrees with you is obviously stupid and/or immoral. You may win converts, however you have not spread enlightenment.

IntertubeUser:

Your "god" cannot and does not exist.

You have, once again, arrived at the nub of the conflict, however (in typical new atheist fashion) you have merely asserted your position -- you have not supported it.


You have used circular logic to assert your position. You have not actually supported it.
 
2012-05-01 11:18:16 PM

red5ish: Breitbart is dead. Everybody dance.


i1024.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-02 12:13:45 AM
A fat gay guy who openly disparages people by accusing them of being fat and gay?

He'll fit right in in today's GOP.
 
2012-05-02 12:28:05 AM

THX 1138: Bevets: they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it.

Please clarify how heterosexual marriage will be ended. Seriously. I look forward to your reply.


You shouldn't. It'll just be another quote.
 
2012-05-02 01:55:29 AM
I get it.

Perez Hilton is a very fem gay guy so he was offended by the use of 'pansy' in an insult.

He should grow up.
 
2012-05-02 04:26:07 AM
Calling some religitards "pansy-assed" does seem a bit counter-intuitive to the whole "quit picking on ghey folks" anti-bullying campaign.

That noted, the assholes walking out on Savage's speech were themselves being bitter, whiny, pseudo-martyrs who deserve nothing less than to be called out for their simple minded intolerance and butt-hurt.

Savage's only mistake was choice of language here.

People who are pissed they aren't going to be able to discriminate with societal approval any longer are bad people who need to be shamed into acting like civilized human beings.
 
2012-05-02 06:50:49 PM
Wow, weapons-grade derp in the comments.
 
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