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2012-05-01 09:52:53 AM

Biological Ali: s2s2s2: Remember, it doesn't matter if you are right, it matters if you've ever been wrong. This is good news for bullies. They can never be right, because they have been so wrong. They should just continue being bullies, because they can't change! I mean, who does Dan Savage think he is? He used to be a Catholic, so who is he to now be right about the bullies in the church. He may as well have raped little boys himself, farking enabler!

Nice logic, victims.

wtf am i reading


I asked myself the same question. I still have no idea.
 
2012-05-01 09:52:54 AM

Bloody William: I learned in high school that sometimes the only way to deal with bullies is by swinging back at them. Ignoring them, taking the high ground, being nice, sometimes it doesn't farking work.


I found that just standing up, looking them in the eye, and screaming "Come on! Let's go!" shut em up pretty quick. They want to dominate, not fight someone willing to fight. They are testing the people around them. Show them you won't be pushed around by whatever they throw at you, and it becomes irrelevant to both of you. It always worked for me, might not always work for anyone else. I have never thrown a punch, but I have been in fights. I have never lost, because I chose wisely.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:25 AM

Bevets: Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it.


Which "marriage as we know it"? Do you mean the marriage between a man and a woman? The marriage that is, historically, the domain of the tyranny of chauvinistic patriarchies? The marriage that treated women like chattel or a property deed that transferred the woman's rights from her father to her husband and typically resulted in the loss of her name, her assets and her sexual freedom (not that she had any to begin with)? The marriage that specified her dowry being more important than her? The marriage that united families and the men who ruled those families; unions not from love but from a consolidation of position, property, power and politics? The marriage that ensured dynastic lineage through the male line and kept women in the home? THAT marriage?

...good riddance.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:26 AM

Biological Ali: wtf am i reading


Perez said something reasonable. His words are not made wrong by past actions or words. I can make the same argument about damned near anybody. This is why you can't have nice things.
 
2012-05-01 09:54:27 AM
He's obviously one classy guy....

www.themudflats.net
 
2012-05-01 09:54:51 AM
Perez "Out Anybody and Everybody He Can" Hilton doesn't get to criticize anyone on bullying, ever, for any situation or reason, no matter who he is criticizing.
 
2012-05-01 09:55:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: I still have no idea.


More words of truth from Cameron. You know you well.
 
2012-05-01 09:55:21 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Uh, he's just proud of his google bomb
 
2012-05-01 09:55:36 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.
 
2012-05-01 09:57:22 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


I don't see anything wrong with that. He went after a bigoted asshole in a wonderfully funny way, turned Santorum into an internet meme, a joke. Then the Republicans nearly went and made him their nominee. Which just makes the whole thing even funnier.
 
2012-05-01 09:59:22 AM
A hero tag on a daily breitbart link that spews bullshiat and even bevets from out of nowhere after not being seen for some time.

Can some of you fark mods and admins at least TRY to make your trolling somewhat subtle? You are just one step away from just admitting that bevets is one of your accounts at this point.
 
2012-05-01 09:59:22 AM

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: wtf am i reading

Perez said something reasonable. His words are not made wrong by past actions or words. I can make the same argument about damned near anybody. This is why you can't have nice things.


I didn't think it was possible for you to make even less sense than what you started out with, but you somehow continue to outdo yourself.
 
2012-05-01 10:00:05 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


I'm pretty liberal, and I intensely dislike Dan Savage. He is definitely a smug asshole. The Santorum thing was pretty funny because Frothy is also an asshole and his brand of social conservatism is pretty vile, but Savage's brand of gay activism seems to rely more on shock factor over smarts, or heart.

That's just my .02
 
2012-05-01 10:00:33 AM

Biological Ali: I didn't think it was possible for you to make even less sense than what you started out with, but you somehow continue to outdo yourself.


I am not surprised by your inability to comprehend it.
 
2012-05-01 10:02:17 AM
Oh, here's Dan Savage's apology and statement on the incident.
 
2012-05-01 10:03:11 AM

BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Dan Savage is 100 times classier than Rick Santorum.
 
2012-05-01 10:04:37 AM

Zerochance: BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

I'm pretty liberal, and I intensely dislike Dan Savage. He is definitely a smug asshole. The Santorum thing was pretty funny because Frothy is also an asshole and his brand of social conservatism is pretty vile, but Savage's brand of gay activism seems to rely more on shock factor over smarts, or heart.

That's just my .02


Ever read his non-political sex advice column? It's hilarious, chilling, arousing, disgusting and informative all rolled into one. My wife, who's not big on the political or the funny, reads it regularly for the titillation.
 
2012-05-01 10:09:42 AM

LectertheChef: Oh, here's Dan Savage's apology and statement on the incident.


That was classy of him. I love Dan. He wasn't wrong, just a tad overzealous. I understand it, and he does too.
 
2012-05-01 10:10:01 AM
BravadoGT:

He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]


Bloody William:

Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.


Would you also do this?
 
2012-05-01 10:11:03 AM

LectertheChef: Oh, here's Dan Savage's apology and statement on the incident.


From the Apology

"But gay people feel insulted by "love the sinner, hate the sin" because it is insulting. Likewise, my use of "pansy-assed" was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong. And I apologize for saying it."

Doesn't he realize that's not the way people apologize anymore. A proper apology would be

"I'm sorry if they were offended by being called "pansy-assed"
 
2012-05-01 10:11:21 AM

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: I didn't think it was possible for you to make even less sense than what you started out with, but you somehow continue to outdo yourself.

I am not surprised by your inability to comprehend it.


You do realize that Breitbart is basically just quasi-satire engineered to annoy the libs, right? Just a heads-up, on the off chance that you actually think there's a reasonable point in there somewhere.
 
2012-05-01 10:12:49 AM

Biological Ali: You do realize that Breitbart is basically just quasi-satire engineered to annoy the libs, right? Just a heads-up, on the off chance that you actually think there's a reasonable point in there somewhere.


Well, I wasn't too pansy-assed to click the link. I wanted to know what PH said. I agreed with it. I have disagreed with him before. I like that Dan has since backed off and admitted he was insulting. But hey, being right is just what I do.
 
2012-05-01 10:15:05 AM

Bhasayate: rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.

You bullying anti anti-bully bully, you!


I believe in bullies getting a taste of their own medicine.

The Ultimate Anti-Bullying PSA: Kid Fights Back With Devastating Body Slam
 
2012-05-01 10:15:21 AM

s2s2s2: Biological Ali: You do realize that Breitbart is basically just quasi-satire engineered to annoy the libs, right? Just a heads-up, on the off chance that you actually think there's a reasonable point in there somewhere.

Well, I wasn't too pansy-assed to click the link. I wanted to know what PH said. I agreed with it. I have disagreed with him before. I like that Dan has since backed off and admitted he was insulting. But hey, being right is just what I do.


Ah, so you're just pulling our legs too. Carry on then.
 
2012-05-01 10:16:20 AM

Biological Ali: Ah, so you're just pulling our legs too. Carry on then.


/hugs you.
 
2012-05-01 10:19:17 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: rufus-t-firefly: Bhasayate: Edsel: Savage had already apologized and admitted it was inappropriate, but, uh, thanks Perez for "standing up to him".

Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

It's farking hilarious that no one on the right batted an eye when people were against anti-bullying efforts for religious reasons. Yes, they believe that Christ taught them to bully gays and lesbians.

Now they're hiding behind mommy because that bad gay man said bad things about them.

You hypocrites can go fark yourselves.

You bullying anti anti-bully bully, you!

I believe in bullies getting a taste of their own medicine.

The Ultimate Anti-Bullying PSA: Kid Fights Back With Devastating Body Slam


I've seen that, it's bad ass. More people need devastating body slams, I think.
 
2012-05-01 10:23:25 AM

Bevets: Would you also do this?


No, but of course they're two completely different things and you damn well know that, you disingenuous little zealot.
 
2012-05-01 10:24:55 AM

Bevets: Would you also do this?


Ew. He took knob polishing to a whole new level.
 
2012-05-01 10:25:36 AM
Lol, if the breitbartians want to poke a stick over at Perez Hilton, let them. hahaha

Dan Savage probably went too far, and is paying for it. He will move on from it and the gay rights movement will keep going.
 
2012-05-01 10:29:16 AM
Seeing as this comes from deadmoran.com, it probably means that Perez said something slightly negative about Obama or something equally ridiculous.

/let that website die
//seriously
 
2012-05-01 10:32:51 AM

Bevets: BravadoGT:

He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

Bloody William:

Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.

Would you also do this?


Make wikipedia entries? Pay a fine? Lick a doorknob? I've seen you at least able to be coherently wrong on other sites, so don't pretend you're incapable of doing it here.
 
2012-05-01 10:36:59 AM

QU!RK1019: It would have been useful if the article explained wtf this was all about.


That's why I cam here... I'm guessing that since the gays are involved, the only reason that Brietbart is using this is because they can attack Savage, but since it's about "those people", they don't want to talk about it because they might catch The Gay.

So far from what I can gather, Savage was speaking, someone didn't like what he had to say, he called them a 'pansy ass', and ZOMG Bullying!!!
 
2012-05-01 10:38:12 AM

Cubs300: No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.


There's a 'right' P Hilton? Seriously?
 
2012-05-01 10:38:45 AM
Where's the summon Bevets card?

/ even though he's already here
// I just wanna see it again
 
2012-05-01 10:39:24 AM

BSABSVR: Bevets: BravadoGT:

He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

Bloody William:

Waaaaaaah.

I'm sorry, if someone is completely against my way of life and my ability to have a loving relationship with others, I wouldn't be above google bombing him.

Would you also do this?

Make wikipedia entries? Pay a fine? Lick a doorknob? I've seen you at least able to be coherently wrong on other sites, so don't pretend you're incapable of doing it here.


I think the Bevets-Bot means "Would you constantly post quotes and links in lieu of any actual discussion?"
 
2012-05-01 10:41:46 AM
Since someone posted Savage's apology, here's the video of what actually happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs

And why it's not bullying: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-shore/dan-savage-and-the-truth_b_1 4 63390.html

What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.
 
2012-05-01 10:43:42 AM
I know "BREITBART" is just a website, so it can keep on soldiering, but every time I see a link from it I can't help but perceive whatever is being reported as coming from zombie-Breitbart as opposed to shiat-shoveling from the dolt parade he left behind.
 
2012-05-01 10:45:23 AM

Mikey1969: Cubs300: No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.

There's a 'right' P Hilton? Seriously?


She's more of a "right" one than someone who actually CHOSE to use a name similar to hers.

Who is worse - the original attention whore, or the attention whore who uses the original attention whore's attention whoredom to get more attention for himself?

I'd say the worst person is the one who would write an article using the secondary whore to back up their own bigotry.

So, here's the list of all involved, not quite as horrible to most horrible:

1. Paris Hilton
2. Perez Hilton
3. Ben Shapiro

Shapiro gets horrible points not only for the article, but also for the fact that he's still grinding on Breitbart's corpse, trying to get a few more paychecks.
 
2012-05-01 10:46:52 AM

Zerochance: BravadoGT: He's obviously one classy guy....

[www.themudflats.net image 250x334]

I'm pretty liberal, and I intensely dislike Dan Savage. He is definitely a smug asshole. The Santorum thing was pretty funny because Frothy is also an asshole and his brand of social conservatism is pretty vile, but Savage's brand of gay activism seems to rely more on shock factor over smarts, or heart.

That's just my .02


I'm guessing you're unaware of Mr. Hilton's particular brand of activism then?
 
2012-05-01 10:53:18 AM
He's dead but the hate lives on.

I won't click that link.
 
2012-05-01 11:01:09 AM

Bloody William: I learned in high school that sometimes the only way to deal with bullies is by swinging back at them. Ignoring them, taking the high ground, being nice, sometimes it doesn't farking work.


The best technique? Turn your back on them and walk away. You have to have every available sense on fire to hear that swing to the back of your head, or hear them start to move to catch up to you, but turning your back and walking away works amazingly. I don't mean in some noble 'I am above violence' act, but because it scares the fark out of them about just what you can do if they decide to push things to the breaking point. It helps to walk with an air of total confidence in your choice also... I actually had a guy search me out the next day and apologize, told me that he'd gotten the wrong impression of me, and he wanted to try and make friends. LOL. All because I told someone twice my size to fark off and turned my back on him.
 
2012-05-01 11:02:37 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Mikey1969: Cubs300: No, FARK. You are not going to get me to click on that double-whammy of a link: A Breitbart link plus an article about the wrong P. Hilton. Forget that nonsense. I'm going back to the Entertainment tab.

There's a 'right' P Hilton? Seriously?

She's more of a "right" one than someone who actually CHOSE to use a name similar to hers.

Who is worse - the original attention whore, or the attention whore who uses the original attention whore's attention whoredom to get more attention for himself?

I'd say the worst person is the one who would write an article using the secondary whore to back up their own bigotry.

So, here's the list of all involved, not quite as horrible to most horrible:

1. Paris Hilton
2. Perez Hilton
3. Ben Shapiro

Shapiro gets horrible points not only for the article, but also for the fact that he's still grinding on Breitbart's corpse, trying to get a few more paychecks.


I guess if you put it that way, Paris Hilton actually ISN'T at the bottom of the dung heap...
 
2012-05-01 11:04:53 AM
The homophobia in the Deadbart article is ginormous.

And the whole thing is the usual false equivalence gag: if you comdemn people for bullying, you're a bully. If you condemn someone for racism, you're a racist. If you point out class warfare, you're engaging in class warfare.

It reminds me of my freshman year of college. Smarmy little weasals would try dumb stuff like this in pretty much any class that requires forming an argument - say, a rhetoric or English lit. course - and they'd be buttstounded when they were handed a D or an F. ZOMG, you mean we have to make actual arguments, and can't just go with "rubber/glue"?

Have none of these dimwits ever seen the inside of a college 101 course? Or are some schools just lousy? Or are they just lazy? I really would like to know.
 
2012-05-01 11:05:17 AM
I'm not clicking on your lousy Breitbart link, smitty.

How ya doin' biatch? Good, biatch.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-05-01 11:16:20 AM
No need to be all butt-hurt over the situation.
 
2012-05-01 11:34:39 AM

lexslamman: Bevets: What Savage reveals is that controversies about sexuality in our culture are not merely about who can visit who in the hospital. The controversy is about deconstructing what nature and the Bible teach us about the meaning and purpose of our sexuality. Many gay activists like Savage are not simply seeking legally sanctioned gay unions; they want to bring an end to marriage as we know it. Pointing this out is not playing the part of the alarmist. It is just a matter of paying attention to arguments that are entering more and more into cultural mainstream. ~ Denny Burk

Why not end marriage as we know it? Get government out of the business once and for all and leave it as a shell of a religious institution. Sounds like a winning idea to me.


To be fair, marriage* started as a function of the state, not religion, though good luck getting a believer to acknowledge that obvious fact.

*I mean more the official acknowledgement of an exclusive relationship here. As the prevalence of the "common law marriage" concept across human societies shows, people were shacking up together long before anyone in authority started to care about it.
 
2012-05-01 11:38:41 AM
 
2012-05-01 11:49:30 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Bhasayate: Edsel: Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

Oh, spare me. Trying to paint Savage as a bully in this incident is stupid - it's right up there with "how can you call yourself tolerant when you won't put up with my hate" stupidity.

What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.

And prideful disdain is, if I recall correctly, a sin in the Christian religion


Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.
 
2012-05-01 12:00:51 PM

Bhasayate: Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.


The opposite of bullying is not "let's be nice and get along".
 
2012-05-01 12:03:12 PM

Bhasayate: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Bhasayate: Edsel: Saying sorry isn't enough. It's sort of like having an AA sponsor who is on the sauce. You've got to find a new sponsor. An anti-bully bully? Zero cred. He's hosed.

Oh, spare me. Trying to paint Savage as a bully in this incident is stupid - it's right up there with "how can you call yourself tolerant when you won't put up with my hate" stupidity.

What immediately become a meme amongst Dan's critics is that those who walked out of his talk felt bullied by him. But that's impossible. People get bullied because of who they are: how they look and act, what they say and do. Perceived as being in some critical way weak or lacking, victims of bullies are selected for persecution; they are pulled from the pack before being pointedly and repeatedly victimized. The people who walked out during Dan's talk were not separated from their peers by anyone. They were content to do that themselves. They were not frightened or cowed. They were offended. They felt that by disparaging what amounts to their God, Dan had transgressed beyond their capacity for toleration. And they were pleased to show their intolerance of Dan's words by protesting against them in the manner they did. Theirs was not an act born of suffering. It was a proud show of disdain.

And prideful disdain is, if I recall correctly, a sin in the Christian religion

Let me put it another way, someone who is anti-bullying is pretty much "let's be nice and get along." Ergo, the spokesman for "lets all be nice and get along" ought not to be an asshole.


A much more reasonable position. But Dan Savage has been an asshole plenty of times, and it doesn't seem to have hurt. Given that he apologized for the insult, it's unlikely to have any lasting detrimental effect
 
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