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2012-05-01 03:58:21 PM  
The Klingons are supposed to feature in this next film as well.

What if it's the Klingons who find Khan and successfully takes over the Empire?
 
2012-05-01 04:03:02 PM  

swahnhennessy: NutznGum: This might be the most pathetic and embarrassing thread in the history of Fark.

Congratulations.

I got all the way through it and was glad to find a friend at the end.


This thread is light years of any thread on the politics tab at any moment.

Have a nice day internet person.
 
2012-05-01 04:09:21 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: swahnhennessy: NutznGum: This might be the most pathetic and embarrassing thread in the history of Fark.

Congratulations.

I got all the way through it and was glad to find a friend at the end.

This thread is light years of any thread on the politics tab at any moment.

Have a nice day internet person.


Picard was clearly a Democrat, but could Kirk have been a Republican?
 
2012-05-01 04:10:27 PM  

imontheinternet: Jim from Saint Paul: swahnhennessy: NutznGum: This might be the most pathetic and embarrassing thread in the history of Fark.

Congratulations.

I got all the way through it and was glad to find a friend at the end.

This thread is light years of any thread on the politics tab at any moment.

Have a nice day internet person.

Picard was clearly a Democrat, but could Kirk have been a Republican?


No, he liked green chicks.
ZING!
 
2012-05-01 04:27:43 PM  

Trocadero: imontheinternet: Jim from Saint Paul: swahnhennessy: NutznGum: This might be the most pathetic and embarrassing thread in the history of Fark.

Congratulations.

I got all the way through it and was glad to find a friend at the end.

This thread is light years of any thread on the politics tab at any moment.

Have a nice day internet person.

Picard was clearly a Democrat, but could Kirk have been a Republican?

No, he liked green chicks.
ZING!


FTFY
/ZING!!
 
2012-05-01 04:27:52 PM  

imontheinternet: Jim from Saint Paul: swahnhennessy: NutznGum: This might be the most pathetic and embarrassing thread in the history of Fark.

Congratulations.

I got all the way through it and was glad to find a friend at the end.

This thread is light years of any thread on the politics tab at any moment.

Have a nice day internet person.

Picard was clearly a Democrat, but could Kirk have been a Republican?


He was pretty liberal with his coin purse....
 
2012-05-01 04:29:09 PM  
knoxvelour: The Klingons are supposed to feature in this next film as well.

What if it's the Klingons who find Khan and successfully takes over the Empire?


If they tie that in with the Klingon augments (ENT), based pretty much on Khans people, that actually could be very interesting. They destroyed Vulcan, so why not throw in a Klingon civil war with the human / Klingon hybrids taking over the empire under an allied Khan's boot? Both were outcasts and generic freaks sent into space to be forgot about, used, and marginalized by their purer, natural races. Big ripples and changes are needed to make me think JJ's first attempt was worth resetting everything.

A Klingon civil war in the TOS era dealing with the dynamic explored in ENT would fit the bill.
 
2012-05-01 04:34:55 PM  
Wow. A whole raft of [stoplikingwhatilike.jpg] candidates. I second the comment that this has been more fun for my lunch break than any of the politics threads today.

Look, I'm about as old-school Trek fan as it gets, watched all the series first run, yadda yadda. Even the most laughable Voyager episodes were still better than the "CSI & Order:Drama Hospital" or whatever was being shoveled at the time. And yes, I enjoyed the New Trek a great deal, even while admitting that Abrams could have hired some geek for the price of a pizza to close the gaping continuity holes.

That said, I do think there are ways he could justify Khan in the nuTimeline: Spock the Elder draws up a list of "hey, watch out for this stuff". Sleeper ships, Romulans knocking down border planets, giant planet eating robots, giant race of civilization-eating robots, etc. etc. Some dipshiat (Peter Weller, maybe) decides there's some way to exploit a cartload of frozen Napoleons. Hilarity ensues.
 
2012-05-01 04:41:39 PM  

knoxvelour: The Klingons are supposed to feature in this next film as well.

What if it's the Klingons who find Khan and successfully takes over the Empire?


Ohhh....and Alpha Spock is sent to a prison to be dropped into an isolation cell, because he has been leaking secrets about the future that the Federation feels are rightfully theirs to the Klingons, Romulans, etc...
 
2012-05-01 04:52:50 PM  
Fark J.J. Abrams for farking with the purity of Star Trek. Its serious sci-fi!

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2012-05-01 04:56:43 PM  

Confabulat: On the bright side, they also are reporting Nimoy's coming back.


Really? I hope not. Dude is tool old. And since he was already featured in the last one and they couldn't work anything out with The Shat what would have been perfect is for shatner to have done the 'Space...' schtick at the end. Why didn't they do that? Theaters would have exploded, but no....
 
2012-05-01 05:27:58 PM  
I'd like to something on the "Great and Terrible Klingon/Tribble War"....

/explaining the ridges....
 
2012-05-01 05:29:20 PM  
*see* something
 
2012-05-01 05:31:30 PM  
Gotta love the fanboys who leap to badmouth anything that's not what they personally think something should be.

Star Trek, Star Wars, Final Fantasy, Sonic the Hedgehog, Kingdom Hearts, Doctor Who, Twilight, Harry Potter, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Justice League. Doesn't matter what it is, there's always those sections of the fans who can't seem to accept the fact that things change over the years, or who get so pissy about the franchise doing something they don't want it to that they bring down the entire fandom with their crybaby fanaticism that makes normal people look down on them with pity and annoyance, which extends to the fans who aren't raging retards and makes everyone think the entire fandom is nothing but man-child fan fic writers upset that their particular story wasn't made canon by the object of their misguided lust.

Guys, here's a helpful piece of advice: life isn't always what you want. Accept it and move on.
 
2012-05-01 05:35:16 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: man-child fan fic writers


No, that's who the studios hire to write this crap.
 
2012-05-01 05:41:57 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Guys, here's a helpful piece of advice: life isn't always what you want. Accept it and move on.


Don't complain about anything. Never say anything sucks. Stop critiquing things you enjoy. If you do, you're a bad person.
 
2012-05-01 05:44:40 PM  

GAT_00: Shostie: kmmontandon: Confabulat: On the bright side, they also are reporting Nimoy's coming back.

Prediction: Alpha Spock tells Beta Spock & nuKirk about Khan. They hurry out on a quick mission, blow the Botany Bay out of the sky without a word, then head back to Earth to get on with the main plot.

Oh, and there's this probe headed toward Earth that wants to talk to humpback whales. You guys should get on that.

Oh, and space hippies. Avoid them. No one comes out looking good in that episode.

If someone would like to find the code for Voyager 6, that would help.

Also, if someone would make sure to keep the Enterprise-C out of a temporal rift in 86 years, that would help too.


That would actually be a funny montage if they did a "Quantum Leap" style segment where they fix all those little problems using Alpha Spock's knowledge.


praxcelis: "CSI & Order:Drama Hospital"


I like to refer to that genre as "Lawyer Cop, MD".
 
2012-05-01 05:48:50 PM  
Anybody remember when Trek was about big ideas, and not 100% focused on evil villains and space combat? When the crew of the Enterprise were explorers, not space cops?
 
2012-05-01 05:54:47 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: Anybody remember when Trek was about big ideas, and not 100% focused on evil villains and space combat? When the crew of the Enterprise were explorers, not space cops?


Ah, the age of the hippies. They're gone pretty much, by the way, the age is certainly over...... but we've got their kids to deal with now, the hipsters.
 
2012-05-01 05:59:59 PM  

Andric: Keizer_Ghidorah: Guys, here's a helpful piece of advice: life isn't always what you want. Accept it and move on.

Don't complain about anything. Never say anything sucks. Stop critiquing things you enjoy. If you do, you're a bad person.


And if you look back through this thread, look at who is civil and who has to resort to namecalling.

I've made it clear that I think reboots are shiat. There's an entire Trek universe out there to explore, but they have to go back and shiat on 40-year-old characters for their generic space combat story that could have easily been done under the Star Trek name without going back in time and re-casting roles that shouldn't have been recast.

But, you mention this to the zealots, they get frustrated at the truth of this, and it immediately becomes ZOMG U PATHETIC MANCHILD FANBOY, GO WRITE UR SECTION 31 FANFIC AND STROKE UR PEEN0R.

And that's the only weapon they have... namecalling. Because they know that reboots like this are blatant cashgrab bullshiat. Some of them even say "Hollywood IS out of ideas", but then turn around to defend that creative bankruptcy.

/And as I said in my OP. Trek is dead. Let 'em keep raping the corpse. Soon enough, the money will stop rolling in, then there will be another reboot, and then you can see the zealots who defend the current reboot scream and cry while someone tells them to go beat off to pictures of Zachary Quinto and use their tears as lube.
 
2012-05-01 06:03:02 PM  
Seriously, I've always wanted them to re-visit Gary Seven....
He's out there somewhere and the possibilities for a storyline are endless...
 
2012-05-01 06:05:20 PM  
Let me guess, they're going to call it: "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"?

Because you'll never guess how I came up with that daring, original title.
 
2012-05-01 06:07:57 PM  

Zombie DJ: Ghastly: I've read slash fan-fiction written by middle aged lesbians that was better than J.J. Abrams pile of crap.

Wait, wait, wait.

You're BRAGGING about that.
Good gosh, I'm glad you're not writing the script if that's the stories you seek.


Cute. But no I'm not "bragging" about that.

When I was a kid my Grandma Kay bought me a book of Star Trek stories that was a mix of professional and fan written stories. Some of them were unproduced scripts from the original series. Some of them were good, professional short stories. Some of them were good fan fiction stories. And then some of them were... well... unusual.

I remember one of the stories was about Kirk getting zapped by some alien machine on a sex planet that turned him into a female and gave Spock and extra Y chomosome. Then Kang showed up and raped Kirk. Spock threatened to tear him limb from limb. Then they all went off to a star base and got plastered together. Oh, and McCoy told Kirk he couldn't be captain anymore because women can't be captains because, just because.

It seemed like a very misogynistic story to me and I was shocked to learn decades later it was actually written by a lesbian.
 
2012-05-01 06:15:13 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: knoxvelour: The Klingons are supposed to feature in this next film as well.

What if it's the Klingons who find Khan and successfully takes over the Empire?

Ohhh....and Alpha Spock is sent to a prison to be dropped into an isolation cell, because he has been leaking secrets about the future that the Federation feels are rightfully theirs to the Klingons, Romulans, etc...


And then Alpha Spock and Beta Spock put Uhura on a dick rotisserie.
 
2012-05-01 06:30:38 PM  

nmiguy: Khan was a great villain. JJ, don't screw this up. He's gotta have ten times the revenge factor of Eric Bana.


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He tasks me Jerry. He tasks me and I will have him. I will chase him around the moons of Mendy's, and around the Monks Maelstrom and through Ovaltine's flames before I give him up. Prepair to alter course for comedy gold, Jerry. Comedy gold.
 
2012-05-01 06:30:44 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Keizer_Ghidorah: man-child fan fic writers

No, that's who the studios hire to write this crap.


Says someone who acts more fantarded than a Kingdom Hearts yaoi fangirl upset that the games support Sora/Kairi instead of Sora/Riku like she swears is the real canon relationship.

I'm sorry, but Trek needed a reboot. Insurrection, Nemesis, and Enterprise (speaking of "shiatting on what came before"...) were the final nails in the coffin of the first era of Trek. Things had become stagnant. Voyager was retreading everything TNG did while making supervillains into superpussies. The TNG movies with the exception of First Contact were either boring, banal, or bad. Something different needed to be done. Trek 2009 did that, creating an alternate universe where new things can happen as well as old ideas revisited in new ways.

I'm sorry you think that anything that's not TOS is the devil's work, but that's your opinion. When you start attacking others for not thinking how you do and not liking or hating what you like or hate, then you go from being annoying to being an asshole. Especially when you use the "true fan" and "real this" and other self-righteous idiocy. You sound like the Transformers Generation One retards who do nothing but crow about how much G1 is the bestest thing ever and only Transformers ever and anyone who likes anything else should die.

And people wonder why fandoms are so reviled.
 
2012-05-01 06:55:01 PM  
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2012-05-01 07:17:02 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Trek 2009 did that, creating an alternate universe where new things can happen as well as old ideas revisited in new ways.


But it's a universe that is, to put it bluntly, populated by idiots.

Spock, who is somehow first officer of the Enterprise and an instructor at Starfleet Academy is not only an annoying whiny emo biatch, but he's also banging one of his students. Somehow Starfleet in this alternate universe is okay with their cadets being farked by their teachers. Talk about your bad fan fic.

Kirk is a complete, unredeemable douchebag. A psycopathic petty criminal with no ambition and a mouth that writes cheques his ass can't cash. So we finally get to see how the great Kirk beat the Kobiyashi Maru. Was it a clever hack that gave him a slim sliver of a chance to beat the no win scenario that would so impress Starfleet command he would be given a commendation for his original thinking? Nope, cheap "god mode" hack that gets him drummed out of the corps. Did he join Starfleet because of a sense of duty, of adventure, of accomplishment. Nope, some dude he doesn't know dares him to do it and he figures, "what the fark, I'm not doing anything else". He was, from start to end of the movie and asshole through and through.

Captain Pike? The biggest idiot of them all. You've been given command of the flagship of the fleet and what do you do with it? You turn it over to your emotionally stunted first officer and then promote the flunked out third year cadet to first officer. And your reason for doing this? You liked his dad. His dad who had absolutely nothing to do with the upbringing of his son and had no influence what so ever over his development. Pike was a worse captain that the guy who was the captain of the sub Homer served on in that episode of the Simpsons where he joined the navy. He has a ship with over 400 qualified, trained, and disciplined officers and he makes a spoiled brat, punk assed, douche his first officer. That has got to stick in the craw of every qualified officer on that ship.

And then there's Starfleet command. At the end of the movie what do they do? They say "hey, let's give this asshole cadet we just flunked out of the academy the command of our ship of the line".

The Star Trek reboot didn't just as you to suspend disbelief. It commanded you to suspend disbelief upside down by its testicles while you burned its nipples with cigarettes and sodomized it with a tree branch.

The whole thing reeked of a movie made for pre-teens, by pre-teens. The only likeable, interesting, and true to the spirit of his name sake character in the entire movie was McCoy. Every other character was a mentally arrested teenager who pouted and said "you're not the boss of me".

As a sci-fi movie it was terrible. As Trek it was abysmal.

They've gone out of their way to state "These are not the same Trek character you grew up with, these are new Trek-Extreme characters because the characters you loved were lame". Well the Trek-Extreme characters are completely uninteresting. It's the Star Trek equivalent of when WB decided to reboot their Looney Tunes characters and created Buzz Bunny and crew.
 
2012-05-01 07:17:25 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Name calling, name calling, name calling.


So, same old defense, eh?
 
2012-05-01 07:18:41 PM  

TyrantII: mekki: I love Cumberbatch but....no. And that's more Abrams' fault. I am predicting it. Khan isn't going to be the Khan we know and love. He is going to be a Darth Vader/Palpatine clone because Abrams wants to turn Star Trek into Star War so very, very much.

/will also miss Montalban's accent
/fine Corinthian leather

Accent?

Delivery maybe, but I didn't notice an overt accent and I'm from Bah'stin.

Who knows, if it's a 100% original story, it might just work. People were up in arms about Heath fraking Ledger as the God damned Joker. And he owned that role in a way only he could, with the prehaters hating.


The Joker is "just" a sociopath - and that could be anybody from Jean Reno to Deep Roy as long as they can play a decent sociopath. Khan is a genetically engineered "superior human" - that assumes some physical attributes that Benedict doesn't have. The events that lead up to the Botany Bay being launched happened before the "reboot event", so if Khan isn't a genetic super-human then JJ is just coming up with a totally new version of the character, not a reboot version.
 
2012-05-01 07:23:01 PM  
Oh, and...

Keizer_Ghidorah:

I'm sorry you think that anything that's not TOS is the devil's work, but that's your opinion. When you start attacking others for not thinking how you do and not liking or hating what you like or hate, then you go from being annoying to being an asshole. Especially when you use the "true fan" and "real this" and other self-righteous idiocy. You sound like the Transformers Generation One retards who do nothing but crow about how much G1 is the bestest thing ever and only Transformers ever and anyone who likes anything else should die.

And people wonder why fandoms are so reviled.


Reread my posts carefully. I wasn't the one who brought up "REAL TREK" or "REAL FANS", or the other self righteous idiocy that you bring up. And, while I did say that supporting bad remakes isn't helping get good movies released, and that if you like having shiat shoveled in your mouth, that's your prerogative, I didn't get personal with anyone here.... unlike you, and the rest of the zealots.

So, who is responsible for making fandoms so reviled?

It reminds me of someone who can't stand seeing the inconsistencies in their particular holy book pointed out to them, so all they can do is cry out about how they're being oppressed.
 
2012-05-01 07:24:26 PM  
Andric: Keizer_Ghidorah: Guys, here's a helpful piece of advice: life isn't always what you want. Accept it and move on.

Don't complain about anything. Never say anything sucks. Stop critiquing things you enjoy. If you do, you're a bad person.


Criticism isn't the issue. Poorly thought out and childish criticism is.

90% of the criticism to JJ Trek was that it was flashy, they destroyed Vulcan, and Basement Dwellers lost 30 years worth of useless fictional technical notes. If you want to criticize something, criticize JJ for not throwing a "24 months later" at the bottom of the screen when Kirk got command or not better sowing us how bad Nero hurt the pre-Klingon conflict starfleet who were in a transition period between their TOS original plans and building a new fleet because of the Narada incident.

At least to me it was safe to assume the rest of their fleet wasmothball worthy since they'd been retooling new ships due to Nero's incursion and they almost all were wiped out over Vulcan in their maiden voyages (that was their "new fleet" don't forget). Kinda stupid of Starfleet to put all their eggs in one basket like that, but starfleet always has been rather stupid when the plot called for it.
 
2012-05-01 07:25:57 PM  

Ghastly: Keizer_Ghidorah: Trek 2009 did that, creating an alternate universe where new things can happen as well as old ideas revisited in new ways.

But it's a universe that is, to put it bluntly, populated by idiots.

Spock, who is somehow first officer of the Enterprise and an instructor at Starfleet Academy is not only an annoying whiny emo biatch, but he's also banging one of his students. Somehow Starfleet in this alternate universe is okay with their cadets being farked by their teachers. Talk about your bad fan fic.

Kirk is a complete, unredeemable douchebag. A psycopathic petty criminal with no ambition and a mouth that writes cheques his ass can't cash. So we finally get to see how the great Kirk beat the Kobiyashi Maru. Was it a clever hack that gave him a slim sliver of a chance to beat the no win scenario that would so impress Starfleet command he would be given a commendation for his original thinking? Nope, cheap "god mode" hack that gets him drummed out of the corps. Did he join Starfleet because of a sense of duty, of adventure, of accomplishment. Nope, some dude he doesn't know dares him to do it and he figures, "what the fark, I'm not doing anything else". He was, from start to end of the movie and asshole through and through.

Captain Pike? The biggest idiot of them all. You've been given command of the flagship of the fleet and what do you do with it? You turn it over to your emotionally stunted first officer and then promote the flunked out third year cadet to first officer. And your reason for doing this? You liked his dad. His dad who had absolutely nothing to do with the upbringing of his son and had no influence what so ever over his development. Pike was a worse captain that the guy who was the captain of the sub Homer served on in that episode of the Simpsons where he joined the navy. He has a ship with over 400 qualified, trained, and disciplined officers and he makes a spoiled brat, punk assed, douche his first officer. That has got to stick ...


Yeah, I think you're over-doing the flanderizations and outrage, but whatever makes you sleep better at night. Kirk's dad not being in his life didn't forge him into what he was in the Prime universe where he did have a father for his childhood. Spock had a reason to be "emo", considering his home planet is gone, his people decimated, and his mother killed. Starfleet became more militaristic because of the Narada's attack on the Kelvin, and the destruction of a big chunk of the fleet at Vulcan kinda influenced the shuffling of the chain of command (along with Pike being paralyzed during his imprisonment). Nero kinda screwed up everything with his arrival, you know.

Different universe, some adjustments in personalities, the core is still the same. Just like Marvel and DC with their fifty billion Earths and fifty billion versions of the heroes and villains, or Transformers with its myriad universes that embody G1, Robots in Disguise, the Marvel comics, Bayformers, Aligned, etc. Stop trying to see it as the only thing you want to see it as and look at it as its own story.
 
2012-05-01 07:27:31 PM  
Samwise Gamgee: Anybody remember when Trek was about big ideas, and not 100% focused on evil villains and space combat? When the crew of the Enterprise were explorers, not space cops?

Yeah, when CBS ran the TV show.

I think there was 2 movie's out of 11 that didn't have a villain or alien protagonist trying to outright destroy the Enterprise, Federation or Earth. One had whales and both had probes that inadvertently tried to destroy earth. Oops.

Exploration Trek is better suited for TV, and always has been. It makes a horrible movie.
 
2012-05-01 07:32:28 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Keizer_Ghidorah: Name calling, name calling, name calling.

So, same old defense, eh?


So nothing worth saying, eh?

FirstNationalBastard: Oh, and...

Keizer_Ghidorah:

I'm sorry you think that anything that's not TOS is the devil's work, but that's your opinion. When you start attacking others for not thinking how you do and not liking or hating what you like or hate, then you go from being annoying to being an asshole. Especially when you use the "true fan" and "real this" and other self-righteous idiocy. You sound like the Transformers Generation One retards who do nothing but crow about how much G1 is the bestest thing ever and only Transformers ever and anyone who likes anything else should die.

And people wonder why fandoms are so reviled.

Reread my posts carefully. I wasn't the one who brought up "REAL TREK" or "REAL FANS", or the other self righteous idiocy that you bring up. And, while I did say that supporting bad remakes isn't helping get good movies released, and that if you like having shiat shoveled in your mouth, that's your prerogative, I didn't get personal with anyone here.... unlike you, and the rest of the zealots.

So, who is responsible for making fandoms so reviled?

It reminds me of someone who can't stand seeing the inconsistencies in their particular holy book pointed out to them, so all they can do is cry out about how they're being oppressed.


You're still insulting others for daring to like everything you hate. Anyone trying to talk sense into you, you brush it off and keep raging at how Abrams somehow went back in time and destroyed everything you hold dear to your heart. It's like you can't conceive the idea that maybe, just maybe, you're overreacting to a fictional piece of entertainment, and that what you think isn't what others should think or should be the only way things should be. I was simply comparing your behavior to that of others in other franchise fandoms, who do the exact same raging and ranting over the same or equally stupid reasons.

TOS still exists. Watch it and be happy. If Abrams makes you snarl and rage so much, just do what other fans do and make it part of your Fanon Discontinuity, forget about it, and move on with your life.
 
2012-05-01 07:33:03 PM  
Ghastly: Keizer_Ghidorah: Trek 2009 did that, creating an alternate universe where new things can happen as well as old ideas revisited in new ways.

But it's a universe that is, to put it bluntly, populated by idiots.

Spock, who is somehow first officer of the Enterprise and an instructor at Starfleet Academy is not only an annoying whiny emo biatch, but he's also banging one of his students. Somehow Starfleet in this alternate universe is okay with their cadets being farked by their teachers. Talk about your bad fan fic.

Kirk is a complete, unredeemable douchebag. A psycopathic petty criminal with no ambition and a mouth that writes cheques his ass can't cash. So we finally get to see how the great Kirk beat the Kobiyashi Maru. Was it a clever hack that gave him a slim sliver of a chance to beat the no win scenario that would so impress Starfleet command he would be given a commendation for his original thinking? Nope, cheap "god mode" hack that gets him drummed out of the corps. Did he join Starfleet because of a sense of duty, of adventure, of accomplishment. Nope, some dude he doesn't know dares him to do it and he figures, "what the fark, I'm not doing anything else". He was, from start to end of the movie and asshole through and through.

Captain Pike? The biggest idiot of them all. You've been given command of the flagship of the fleet and what do you do with it? You turn it over to your emotionally stunted first officer and then promote the flunked out third year cadet to first officer. And your reason for doing this? You liked his dad. His dad who had absolutely nothing to do with the upbringing of his son and had no influence what so ever over his development. Pike was a worse captain that the guy who was the captain of the sub Homer served on in that episode of the Simpsons where he joined the navy. He has a ship with over 400 qualified, trained, and disciplined officers and he makes a spoiled brat, punk assed, douche his first officer. That has got to stick ...


You don't get a lot of sex, do you?

Only one thing there is really an issue, and it more because you don't want a 4 1/2 Trek movie, and 30 minuets of homoerotic looks at each other like the end of LOTR.
 
2012-05-01 07:40:13 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Stop trying to see it as the only thing you want to see it as and look at it as its own story.


And that's exactly where it fails. Like I said, give every character in the movie a different name. Completely divorce it entirely from the Star Trek franchise and make it a Space Corps franchise of its own and what do you have? A cheesey made-for-tv Sci-Fi movie. It may have some exciting action in it but its story and its characters are not interesting.

Simply put, I am not one of those fans so starved for anything Trek that I'll gladly eat whatever shiat they serve and call it chocolate. I'd rather have no Trek than bad Trek.
 
2012-05-01 07:42:20 PM  

TyrantII: You don't get a lot of sex, do you?


Really? That's where you're going to go? You're going to counter my argument with the implication that I don't get a lot of sex?

Dude! I'm gay. I have more sex before 9am than most people have all day. C'mon!
 
2012-05-01 07:46:25 PM  

Ghastly: TyrantII: You don't get a lot of sex, do you?

Really? That's where you're going to go? You're going to counter my argument with the implication that I don't get a lot of sex?

Dude! I'm gay. I have more sex before 9am than most people have all day. C'mon!


You're a busy man. World domination is planned for 3 PM.
 
2012-05-01 07:46:47 PM  
Ghastly: TyrantII: You don't get a lot of sex, do you?

Really? That's where you're going to go? You're going to counter my argument with the implication that I don't get a lot of sex?

Dude! I'm gay. I have more sex before 9am than most people have all day. C'mon!


Lighten up Charlene, it's a joke! This is a Trek thread, is it not?

/Trek, serious business! :)
 
2012-05-01 07:46:53 PM  

Ghastly: Keizer_Ghidorah: Stop trying to see it as the only thing you want to see it as and look at it as its own story.

And that's exactly where it fails. Like I said, give every character in the movie a different name. Completely divorce it entirely from the Star Trek franchise and make it a Space Corps franchise of its own and what do you have? A cheesey made-for-tv Sci-Fi movie. It may have some exciting action in it but its story and its characters are not interesting.

Simply put, I am not one of those fans so starved for anything Trek that I'll gladly eat whatever shiat they serve and call it chocolate. I'd rather have no Trek than bad Trek.


So you shiat on Voyager and Enterprise as a whole, right? Oh sure, one and a while came around a decent episode. As a whole, those terrible shows are LIGHT YEARS away from being able to hold the remake movie's proverbial jock.
 
2012-05-01 07:47:03 PM  

Confabulat: I really hope this is some false rumor J.J. Abrams put out or something but it seems like it's real. If so that's too bad. An entire reinvented universe and they choose Khan?

Hollywood really IS out of ideas.


The initial comment might have the best point in it. Why create a blank canvas with the alternate universe and then just go ahead and do the same sequel as before? Yes, yes, I know, if- this is true-it won't be a shot for shot remake of The Wrath Of Khan.. But still....they have their new ship, they have their crew in place, they crammed everyone in place in the last one, they can go in any direction. If this is true, why go in this direction?

And then there's one of my favorite parts of big Star Trek threads:

Confabulat

That is a weak argument. The acting in the first Trek was pretty awesome. McCoy especially nailed his part. "Talentless pretty boys" makes you sound petty and silly.


Oh please, your bitterness that it's not the Trek you wanted has made you dumb. Name one actor who failed at their part in the first modern Trek movie (since you insist that I be pedantic).

No, I was complaining that I think Khan is a very poor choice for a second movie to a pretty terrific reboot of Star Trek, which was pretty much destroyed in the 90s by the terrible no-talent hacks Berman & Braga, who you seem to worship as the true guardians of all things Trek.

At least I see the new argument put forth by the Trekkies still upset that people liked the new Star Trek: "You can't complain about Khan without admitting we were right all along! The first movie sucked! Pretty boys! Whaa! Don't you complain about anything ever again!"

So mature, Trekkies

Keep telling yourself that while clinging to your Voyager DVDs. Real Trek fans know better. I'm sure you loved Nemesis and Insurrection.

I love Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, and most all the rest. J.J. Abrams reboot was closer in spirit to original Star Trek than TNG ever dreamed of.

Pretty much. People forget Trek was defined by Shatner and Nimoy for some reason. Most of them are new school spin-off Trekkies who grew up on Picard and the knock-off gang.

Ooo you are smart Trekkie! You like Deep Space 9 and Voyager and Berman and want to know what happens next! Because you am Smart Trekkie who has no frickin' clue about Star Trek at all.


Sometimes I wonder if you're on Abrahm's payroll. You were in here, months and months before the reboot even came out, doing heavy lifting to dismiss anyone who was uneasy about it. Blasting away at people who liked DS9 or TNG more than the Original Series, unloading time honored "basement dweller" shots when needed. Relentlessly defending the then upcoming movie, working hard to get your preference for Kirk and Co. over out there for everyone to see. You made great points about how fans couldn't possibly dislike the reboot without seeing it, very true. Then you'd be back here, defending that movie like you got residuals from it. Ands now, years later, we're on the same path, littered with shots about "section 31 fans" . (To be fair, someone else used that one here, but it's been in your quiver before)

Now, I'm not attacking you, more impressed with your dedication. Personally, I like all the variations of Star Trek (No doubt Voyage was the weakest) but my threoy has always been that the franchise is better as a series on televison than as movies. Even the best ST movies (WOK,UC,First Contact and even the reboot) still are not perfect movies. Movie Picard doesn't act like Series Picard. In almost every movie dealing with the Original Series (I,II,IV,V,VI and the reboot) there is no Starfleet-just the Enterprise or whatever Kirk is onboard. So I say what you probably have is:

Two solid A to A+ movies
One B+ to A- movie
Two B- to B movies
Three solid C to B- movies
One solid D movie
Two steaming piles of dung

Samwise Gamgee: Anybody remember when Trek was about big ideas, and not 100% focused on evil villains and space combat? When the crew of the Enterprise were explorers, not space cops?


They made that movie in 1979, maybe the truest to Roddenberry's exploration themes. Then they started making other kinds of movies.

Mugato: TyrantII: This is the guy that stopped production one day because someone got a picture of Zoe in uniform, then erected a huge wall to prevent the paparazi from snapping more. And they're just going to announce who the villain is this far out?

Yeah but there's a difference between giving up unauthorized behind the scenes shots and leaking who the villain is, which will obviously be in the marketing campaign anyway.


But it seems like it's so obvious, people were practically joking about Khan being in the next one. I'd be surprised if this was actually true.

FeedTheCollapse: El Freak: I've noticed that it seems like the more one appreciates TOS for the campy, awesome cheesefest it was, the more you're liable to like the reboot. I've seen just about every episode of every series except Voyager, and I liked the reboot. But whatever. StoplikingwhatIdontlike.jpg

I'm a little amazed at how everyone here seemed to like the reboot when it came out, but now everyone seems to hate it. I thought it was good, though it had its faults (once you notice lense-flare, you can't unnotice it. I'm also not too keen on Khan being the enemy as it seems like a waste of potential that a reboot can bring, etc.). I'm still looking forward to the new film as I find some of the bigger gripes about the film to be rather silly and taking an otherwise fairly goofy series too seriously.


I'm looking forward to the next one, too.It's Star Trek, damnit. Hell, I went to Nemesis on Opening Night for my birthday. (Second worst Birthday, ever!) But as much as I enjoyed the reboot (and it is a fun movie, no doubt) it certainly wasn't the mostfantasticawesomeamazing thing ever done. It was not, as Entertainment Weekly called it, "Grown up Trek". Sorry, it just wasn't that deep. It was well made, well acted, the effects were good, it was a good movie. The plot had huge holes in it-more holes than Generations? Preobably not. Was there some plot devices that to this day irritate me? Yes, been mentioned around here before. But it was still better than most of the ST movies. Cut down the lens flares, don't do anymore gut wrentchingly stupid jumps in rank, don't wait too long to make the next one and it'll be fine. I'd still like to see a well executed series and I'm also not too keen on using Khan, but what the hell, it can't possibly be as bad as Nemesis or The Final Frontier.
 
2012-05-01 07:50:17 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: just do what other fans do and make it part of your Fanon Discontinuity, forget about it, and move on with your life.


Which is exactly what I do. I put it in the same non-canon category as the Animated Series, novels, and video games.

Yet somehow when I express why it is I have no interest in JJ Abram's fan fiction and why it is I found Trek 2009 to be a bad movie I am told I'm not a "Real Fan" of "Real Trek".
 
2012-05-01 07:51:46 PM  

TyrantII: Ghastly: TyrantII: You don't get a lot of sex, do you?

Really? That's where you're going to go? You're going to counter my argument with the implication that I don't get a lot of sex?

Dude! I'm gay. I have more sex before 9am than most people have all day. C'mon!

Lighten up Charlene, it's a joke! This is a Trek thread, is it not?

/Trek, serious business! :)


And now I yawn at you.
 
2012-05-01 07:52:33 PM  

Ghastly: Keizer_Ghidorah: Stop trying to see it as the only thing you want to see it as and look at it as its own story.

And that's exactly where it fails. Like I said, give every character in the movie a different name. Completely divorce it entirely from the Star Trek franchise and make it a Space Corps franchise of its own and what do you have? A cheesey made-for-tv Sci-Fi movie. It may have some exciting action in it but its story and its characters are not interesting.

Simply put, I am not one of those fans so starved for anything Trek that I'll gladly eat whatever shiat they serve and call it chocolate. I'd rather have no Trek than bad Trek.


See, that's your opinion. You think it's bad because it's not exactly like the other Trek movies. But that's why the previous Trek movies started to fail. All of the TNG movies were "The Picard and Data Show", with everyone else relegated to side characters. Except for "First Contact", they were also pretty much feature-length TV episodes in terms of story. Honestly, I'd watch Trek 2009 over all the TNG movies besides FC, The Final Frontier, and The Motion Picture.

I also think DS9 was the best of the TV series. The main reason is because it was different. Instead of the getting-old-by-that-point Alien of the Week/Planet of the Week/Problem of the Week TOS/TNG formula, we got a stationary setting that allowed for different storytelling. The characters grew and evolved, the stories were rich and fun, plots and revelations interwoven with each other over the course of the series. DS9 dared to do things differently, to shake things up. Then Voyager and Enterprise came along, and it was back to the boring TOS/TNG formula. It was Trek comfort food, you knew what you were getting with each episode. The TNG movies were the same way. It was all stale and stagnant, and a reboot was needed badly. Trek 2009 gave the franchise a shot in the arm as well as attracting new fans, and I, as a long-time Trekkie, found it very enjoyable and refreshing.

Your mileage may vary, of course, but to act like you and FirstNationalBastard are is seriously overkill.
 
2012-05-01 07:55:57 PM  

Ghastly: Keizer_Ghidorah: just do what other fans do and make it part of your Fanon Discontinuity, forget about it, and move on with your life.

Which is exactly what I do. I put it in the same non-canon category as the Animated Series, novels, and video games.

Yet somehow when I express why it is I have no interest in JJ Abram's fan fiction and why it is I found Trek 2009 to be a bad movie I am told I'm not a "Real Fan" of "Real Trek".


What's wrong with the Animated Series? Pretty much all of Spock's backstory is from "Yesteryear", and "How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth" won an award for quality television, not to mention many of the episodes were fun to watch and brought back a lot of characters from the live-action series.
 
2012-05-01 07:59:05 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Ghastly: Keizer_Ghidorah: just do what other fans do and make it part of your Fanon Discontinuity, forget about it, and move on with your life.

Which is exactly what I do. I put it in the same non-canon category as the Animated Series, novels, and video games.

Yet somehow when I express why it is I have no interest in JJ Abram's fan fiction and why it is I found Trek 2009 to be a bad movie I am told I'm not a "Real Fan" of "Real Trek".

What's wrong with the Animated Series? Pretty much all of Spock's backstory is from "Yesteryear", and "How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth" won an award for quality television, not to mention many of the episodes were fun to watch and brought back a lot of characters from the live-action series.


The 70s cheap-ass Filmation animation style doesn't do it any favors.

I'd love to see some fan project take the audio from an animated episode and re-do the episode with better animation (assuming that hasn't already been done).
 
2012-05-01 08:00:29 PM  
Ghastly

Kirk is a complete, unredeemable douchebag. A psycopathic petty criminal with no ambition and a mouth that writes cheques his ass can't cash. So we finally get to see how the great Kirk beat the Kobiyashi Maru. Was it a clever hack that gave him a slim sliver of a chance to beat the no win scenario that would so impress Starfleet command he would be given a commendation for his original thinking? Nope, cheap "god mode" hack that gets him drummed out of the corps. Did he join Starfleet because of a sense of duty, of adventure, of accomplishment. Nope, some dude he doesn't know dares him to do it and he figures, "what the fark, I'm not doing anything else". He was, from start to end of the movie and asshole through and through.

Captain Pike? The biggest idiot of them all. You've been given command of the flagship of the fleet and what do you do with it? You turn it over to your emotionally stunted first officer and then promote the flunked out third year cadet to first officer. And your reason for doing this? You liked his dad. His dad who had absolutely nothing to do with the upbringing of his son and had no influence what so ever over his development. Pike was a worse captain that the guy who was the captain of the sub Homer served on in that episode of the Simpsons where he joined the navy. He has a ship with over 400 qualified, trained, and disciplined officers and he makes a spoiled brat, punk assed, douche his first officer. That has got to stick in the craw of every qualified officer on that ship.

And then there's Starfleet command. At the end of the movie what do they do? They say "hey, let's give this asshole cadet we just flunked out of the academy the command of our ship of the line".


Wow.
 
2012-05-01 08:00:33 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: But it seems like it's so obvious, people were practically joking about Khan being in the next one. I'd be surprised if this was actually true


I'm not completely sold either. The whole reason they went back to the Kirk/Spock well is that even non-Trekkies know who they are. Studio suits are all about name recognition and you're not going to earn back the $150mill budget with just the fans. But non-Trekkies don't really know who Khan is, I don't think.
 
2012-05-01 08:03:55 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: See, that's your opinion. You think it's bad because it's not exactly like the other Trek movies.


No. I think it's bad because the characters are all idiots. Starfleet is an organization that acts like it is run by teenagers. The story was just something used to hang awesome special effects on. Pew pew pew! Kaboom! Kaplowie!

When I was a kid action alone would have been enough for me but as I matured I expect a little more from my entertainment.

I don't care if it's like the previous movies or not. I don't care because there simply wasn't a single character in that entire movie I found I could give two shiats about with the possible exception of McCoy. They were all two dimensional, uninteresting space fillers for every Mary-Sue in the audience to pour themselves into. They were Bella and Edward in Star Trek uniforms.
 
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